From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue Oct 1 20:21:49 2019 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 20:21:49 +0000 Subject: [Peace] Film showing: "Incident at Oglala" at the UCIMC. Message-ID: Monday, October 14th, from 7-9pm, Join the Champaign-Urbana branch of the Party for Socialism and Liberation as we celebrate Indigenous Peoples? Day with a screening of Incident at Oglala at the UCIMC. The film depicts the events which led to the arrest and trial of Leonard Peltier, Robert Robideau, and Darrell Butler for the alleged murder of two FBI agents in the summer of 1975. While Robideau and Butler were later released, Peltier was convicted and remains in prison to this day. As a Turtle Mountain Chippewa tribe member, Leonard Peltier has been a long-time activist and a socialist voice for Native American rights. The International Indian Treaty Council, South African Communist Party member Nelson Mandela, the Ej?rcito Zapatista de Liberaci?n Nacional, Pope Francis, and many other socialist and progressive allies have long called for Peltier?s release, in clemency appeals that have been denied by multiple US Presidents, including Obama and Clinton. We, the Party for Socialism and Liberation, loudly join in these calls and say: Free Leonard Peltier! For the 2020 elections, Leonard Peltier is running on the Party for Socialism and Liberation's ticket for Vice President of the US--from the cell he has been in for 43 years. He is joined by Gloria La Riva, who is the PSL's candidate for US President. Read more about their campaign here: https://www.larivapeltier2020.org/campaign_announcement?fbclid=IwAR1J4FWFXzOwm4HgwIzxQcTPYSfT0nUS-fegmFYzZyv63MhVEtkTuWJHBPQ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbn at forestfield.org Wed Oct 2 03:44:46 2019 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 22:44:46 -0500 Subject: [Peace] AWARE on the Air #494 notes Message-ID: <6e35df21-b9ef-7d32-ebea-b2f59448886c@forestfield.org> AWARE on the Air #494 Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wVihLWaNig A list of links to items referenced on the show. Jimmy Dore interview with John Kiriakou https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSG800M8n9c Related: Tucker Carlson interview with John Kiriakou from 2018-05-22 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKbitG-ZUd8 Caitlin Johnstone on "CIA, Climate And Conspiracy" https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/cia-climate-and-conspiracy-more-notes-from-the-edge-of-the-narrative-matrix-8156bd1db9cb https://www.sgtreport.com/2019/09/msm-defends-cias-whistleblower-ignores-actual-whistleblowers/ https://www.dcclothesline.com/2019/09/29/media-defending-cias-whistleblower-after-ignoring-actual-whistleblowers/ https://www.zerohedge.com/political/msm-defends-cias-whistleblower-ignores-actual-whistleblowers Joseph Kishore on "CIA sets terms for Democrats? impeachment inquiry into Trump?s crimes" https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/09/28/pers-s28.html Jeremy Kuzmarov on "The War in Eastern Ukraine May be Coming to an End But Do Any Americans Care?" https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/09/13/the-war-in-eastern-ukraine-may-be-coming-to-an-end-but-do-any-americans-care/ Kathy Kelly on "The Wounds of War in Afghanistan" https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/09/30/the-wounds-of-war-in-afghanistan/ "On The Motives Behind Whistleblower-gate" https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/09/on-the-motives-behind-whistleblower-gate.html -J From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Oct 2 15:26:27 2019 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 15:26:27 +0000 Subject: [Peace] AWARE on the Air #494 notes In-Reply-To: <6e35df21-b9ef-7d32-ebea-b2f59448886c@forestfield.org> References: <6e35df21-b9ef-7d32-ebea-b2f59448886c@forestfield.org> Message-ID: Good one, very good. > On Oct 1, 2019, at 20:44, J.B. Nicholson via Peace wrote: > > AWARE on the Air #494 > Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wVihLWaNig > > A list of links to items referenced on the show. > > Jimmy Dore interview with John Kiriakou > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSG800M8n9c > > Related: Tucker Carlson interview with John Kiriakou from 2018-05-22 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKbitG-ZUd8 > > Caitlin Johnstone on "CIA, Climate And Conspiracy" > https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/cia-climate-and-conspiracy-more-notes-from-the-edge-of-the-narrative-matrix-8156bd1db9cb > https://www.sgtreport.com/2019/09/msm-defends-cias-whistleblower-ignores-actual-whistleblowers/ > https://www.dcclothesline.com/2019/09/29/media-defending-cias-whistleblower-after-ignoring-actual-whistleblowers/ > https://www.zerohedge.com/political/msm-defends-cias-whistleblower-ignores-actual-whistleblowers > > Joseph Kishore on "CIA sets terms for Democrats? impeachment inquiry into Trump?s crimes" > https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/09/28/pers-s28.html > > Jeremy Kuzmarov on "The War in Eastern Ukraine May be Coming to an End But Do Any Americans Care?" > https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/09/13/the-war-in-eastern-ukraine-may-be-coming-to-an-end-but-do-any-americans-care/ > > Kathy Kelly on "The Wounds of War in Afghanistan" > https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/09/30/the-wounds-of-war-in-afghanistan/ > > "On The Motives Behind Whistleblower-gate" > https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/09/on-the-motives-behind-whistleblower-gate.html > > -J > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From davidgreen50 at gmail.com Fri Oct 4 18:18:11 2019 From: davidgreen50 at gmail.com (David Green) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 13:18:11 -0500 Subject: [Peace] AWARE monthly demonstrations Message-ID: It would appear to me that our 18-year tradition of at least monthly demonstrations is no longer viable or tenable, due to attrition, age, incipient cold weather, and other causes of absence. My concern is also that Doug not be left alone tomorrow or in the future, unless he chooses to do so. Best regards, David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cgestabrook at gmail.com Fri Oct 4 20:16:43 2019 From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C. G. Estabrook ) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 15:16:43 -0500 Subject: [Peace] AWARE monthly demonstrations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I?m sorry I?m away. I think it?s a tradition worth maintaining. The US government will maintain its tradition of war-making. > On Oct 4, 2019, at 1:18 PM, David Green via Peace wrote: > > It would appear to me that our 18-year tradition of at least monthly demonstrations is no longer viable or tenable, due to attrition, age, incipient cold weather, and other causes of absence. My concern is also that Doug not be left alone tomorrow or in the future, unless he chooses to do so. > > Best regards, > > David > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From moboct1 at aim.com Sat Oct 5 18:37:14 2019 From: moboct1 at aim.com (Mildred O'brien) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2019 18:37:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] AWARE monthly demonstrations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1983000264.4182617.1570300634346@mail.yahoo.com> Before catching the bus to downtown Champaign for the monthly anti-war demo I checked P-D one last time to see if there would be any others to join for perhaps for the last time before cold weather ensues.? Finding no indication of anyone else, I have decided to cancel my plans this afternoon rather than spend another hour in transit for nothing.? ?Last month only Doug, David, (James and I with no signs)?showed up, so?I decided?not to make the?trip to Champaign this afternoon.? I sincerely hope Doug?has been notified.??It was a noble effort if futile, since 2003.? But?the wars continue... Midge??? -----Original Message----- From: David Green via Peace-discuss To: Peace-discuss ; peace Sent: Fri, Oct 4, 2019 1:19 pm Subject: [Peace-discuss] AWARE monthly demonstrations It would appear to me that our 18-year tradition of at least monthly demonstrations is no longer viable or tenable, due to attrition, age, incipient cold weather, and other causes of absence. My concern is also that Doug not be left alone tomorrow or in the future, unless he chooses to do so. Best regards, David_______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat Oct 5 20:33:38 2019 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2019 20:33:38 +0000 Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] AWARE monthly demonstrations In-Reply-To: <1983000264.4182617.1570300634346@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1983000264.4182617.1570300634346@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: David: I?ve done what I could to support and grow AWARE these past seven years, but sorry to say I see no growth or success in our efforts to enlighten the Champaign community. I know there are those who appreciate seeing us there so I?m not suggesting we give up completely, doing what we can to oppose US continuing wars, so I will still plan to attend from time to time. Midge: I knew you planned to be there, so I headed over after completing a couple errands, but by the time I arrived my asthma was so bad I headed home. A beautiful, cool day, but the humidity must be high because my breathing has been bad for a couple days now. On Oct 5, 2019, at 11:37, Mildred O'brien via Peace > wrote: Before catching the bus to downtown Champaign for the monthly anti-war demo I checked P-D one last time to see if there would be any others to join for perhaps for the last time before cold weather ensues. Finding no indication of anyone else, I have decided to cancel my plans this afternoon rather than spend another hour in transit for nothing. Last month only Doug, David, (James and I with no signs) showed up, so I decided not to make the trip to Champaign this afternoon. I sincerely hope Doug has been notified. It was a noble effort if futile, since 2003. But the wars continue... Midge -----Original Message----- From: David Green via Peace-discuss > To: Peace-discuss >; peace > Sent: Fri, Oct 4, 2019 1:19 pm Subject: [Peace-discuss] AWARE monthly demonstrations It would appear to me that our 18-year tradition of at least monthly demonstrations is no longer viable or tenable, due to attrition, age, incipient cold weather, and other causes of absence. My concern is also that Doug not be left alone tomorrow or in the future, unless he chooses to do so. Best regards, David _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org Sat Oct 5 21:11:54 2019 From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2019 17:11:54 -0400 Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] AWARE monthly demonstrations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Age and attrition cometh for us all. But here's a proposal for how to skirt the problem of the cold weather: have the monthly "demonstration" indoors for the winter months. Here's an idea for how to do that. There are three local government bodies that meet regularly in the winter months, allow public participation before each meeting, and televise their proceedings: the Urbana City Council, the Champaign City Council, and the Champaign County Board. During the assigned time for public participation, you can say whatever the hell you want, within the assigned time limit. It doesn't have to concern business before the body that evening. So, my proposal is, instead of standing on the street corner, go to the public participation and speak up for peace. Going once to each body would take care of three months. I don't remember exactly how they do it in Champaign or at the County, but a nice thing about the way they do it in Urbana is that you fill out a slip, say why you're there, and say that you want to speak or you don't want to speak. So, for example, one person or two people who felt called to speak could speak, and the other people could say on their slip, "here in support of peace, don't need to speak." That would be kind of like a demonstration, only it wouldn't be cold, and you would be televised. And also, you can leave if you want as soon as public participation is over, so it takes less time. And you don't need to bring any signs. - Robert Naiman PS. We might be winning soon on ending US participation in the Saudi war in Yemen on the bill that funds the Pentagon. So peace activism is happening. On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 2:19 PM David Green via Peace-discuss < peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > It would appear to me that our 18-year tradition of at least monthly > demonstrations is no longer viable or tenable, due to attrition, age, > incipient cold weather, and other causes of absence. My concern is also > that Doug not be left alone tomorrow or in the future, unless he chooses to > do so. > > Best regards, > > David > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.manrique at gmail.com Sun Oct 6 15:58:17 2019 From: james.manrique at gmail.com (James M) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 10:58:17 -0500 Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] AWARE monthly demonstrations In-Reply-To: References: <1983000264.4182617.1570300634346@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: A press release is a good idea. I was also going to write a Letter To The Editor for the NG to try and recruit some support. I also spoke with Stuart yesterday, and I think I want to try and wrangle up & recruit some of the local activists I know to join us. As part of that, I am currently looking into possibly scheduling a Sign Making Party before the next demonstration. Karen, I really appreciate all the effort you've put into the local anti-war scene. What were some of the bigger challenges you faced with getting folks to participate? Did they come to one demonstration but not others? Or was it difficult to get them to even join one? It's frustrating that there are so many "progressives" in this town, but so little support for these anti-war demonstrations. But I'd still like to try and help shift things. James. On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 9:01 AM C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss < peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > Midge? > > I assume we?ll demonstrate the first Saturday in November, and I plan to > be in town and can drive you there & back if you want. Ithink its a good > tradition to keep up. We should try a press release on our long tradition > > On Oct 5, 2019, at 1:37 PM, Mildred O'brien via Peace-discuss < > peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > > Before catching the bus to downtown Champaign for the monthly anti-war > demo I checked P-D one last time to see if there would be any others to > join for perhaps for the last time before cold weather ensues. Finding no > indication of anyone else, I have decided to cancel my plans this afternoon > rather than spend another hour in transit for nothing. Last month only > Doug, David, (James and I with no signs) showed up, so I decided not to > make the trip to Champaign this afternoon. I sincerely hope Doug has been > notified. It was a noble effort if futile, since 2003. But the wars > continue... > > Midge > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Green via Peace-discuss > To: Peace-discuss ; peace < > peace at lists.chambana.net> > Sent: Fri, Oct 4, 2019 1:19 pm > Subject: [Peace-discuss] AWARE monthly demonstrations > > It would appear to me that our 18-year tradition of at least monthly > demonstrations is no longer viable or tenable, due to attrition, age, > incipient cold weather, and other causes of absence. My concern is also > that Doug not be left alone tomorrow or in the future, unless he chooses to > do so. > > Best regards, > > David > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From baldwinricky at yahoo.com Sun Oct 6 17:43:12 2019 From: baldwinricky at yahoo.com (Ricky Baldwin) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 17:43:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] AWARE monthly demonstrations In-Reply-To: References: <1983000264.4182617.1570300634346@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1694782565.2806194.1570383792856@mail.yahoo.com> Actually it began in 2001, I believe, though I had not moved here yet. I can vouch for demonstrations on North Prospect in early 2002, only 2-4 people at times but growing to well over 300 every Saturday just before the invasion of Iraq and continuing until the move to downtown Champaign. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 10:59 AM, James M via Peace wrote: _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: Untitled URL: From baldwinricky at yahoo.com Sun Oct 6 17:43:12 2019 From: baldwinricky at yahoo.com (Ricky Baldwin) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 17:43:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] AWARE monthly demonstrations In-Reply-To: References: <1983000264.4182617.1570300634346@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1694782565.2806194.1570383792856@mail.yahoo.com> Actually it began in 2001, I believe, though I had not moved here yet. I can vouch for demonstrations on North Prospect in early 2002, only 2-4 people at times but growing to well over 300 every Saturday just before the invasion of Iraq and continuing until the move to downtown Champaign. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 10:59 AM, James M via Peace wrote: _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: Untitled URL: From baldwinricky at yahoo.com Sun Oct 6 17:44:40 2019 From: baldwinricky at yahoo.com (Ricky Baldwin) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 17:44:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] AWARE monthly demonstrations In-Reply-To: References: <1983000264.4182617.1570300634346@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1851098311.2807242.1570383880677@mail.yahoo.com> End of an era.? I will mourn, though I haven't been in a while. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 9:01 AM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote: _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: Untitled URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Oct 6 17:57:15 2019 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 17:57:15 +0000 Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] AWARE monthly demonstrations In-Reply-To: References: <1983000264.4182617.1570300634346@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: James, In answer to your question. No I don?t recall in seven years any new people showing up for the AWARE anti-war demo. other than you and Midge, and both of you stayed active. Midge is one of those who was an activist opposing war previous to my time in Champaign. I was able to get AWARE folks to join up with the PSL, Party for Socialism and Liberation when they were doing their anti-war demonstrations/protests, and they though new, have been growing, but most of them either work on Saturdays or are students with many activities related to war, oppression and the root cause, capitalism. The problem as I understand it, is most people are Democrats, and the war issue died when Obama was elected, so now these people have taken up immigration concerns, the immigrants from the south. There doesn?t appear to be any concern over the thousands upon thousands of immigrants flooding Europe from US war and interventions, with 6,000 deaths by drowning in six years according to UN statistics. Liberal Democrats tend not to mention the interventions in Latin American nations by the US which is primarily responsible for the immigrants from those nations, the root cause for people leaving their homes and risking death to seek asylum in a nation that imprisons them. They focus on elections and getting rid of Trump as if that will change anything. There maybe other reasons people aren?t interested in participating in demonstrations opposing war, but that is what I see. Climate change is an issue deserving concern and action. Extinction Rebellion is doing just that, in the way which is necessary, I?m told they are here in Champaign, but have not been able to make contact with them. A joining of forces would be of value. History has proven the only thing effective is mass movements in the streets, but until the people unite, they become just a few here and there which is of little notice. It?s nice of you to do new signs but AWARE has an over abundance of signs already. Stuart has at least two full large garbage bags, and David Green has those we used at the market. I donated the few I have to AWARE over the past couple months. It?s important to have signs, but when too many it becomes problematic transporting. Good luck on the press release, with Sinclair owning most media in town. Many of us write letters to the Editors of the NG, but no support has been forthcoming, though we don?t advertise AWARE, so its not a bad idea. James, don?t let me discourage you, just understand why some of us no longer see the point in repeating the same actions over and over with little change, you?re young and tapped into the liberal community so maybe you can do that which we can?t. On Oct 6, 2019, at 08:58, James M via Peace > wrote: A press release is a good idea. I was also going to write a Letter To The Editor for the NG to try and recruit some support. I also spoke with Stuart yesterday, and I think I want to try and wrangle up & recruit some of the local activists I know to join us. As part of that, I am currently looking into possibly scheduling a Sign Making Party before the next demonstration. Karen, I really appreciate all the effort you've put into the local anti-war scene. What were some of the bigger challenges you faced with getting folks to participate? Did they come to one demonstration but not others? Or was it difficult to get them to even join one? It's frustrating that there are so many "progressives" in this town, but so little support for these anti-war demonstrations. But I'd still like to try and help shift things. James. On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 9:01 AM C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: Midge? I assume we?ll demonstrate the first Saturday in November, and I plan to be in town and can drive you there & back if you want. Ithink its a good tradition to keep up. We should try a press release on our long tradition On Oct 5, 2019, at 1:37 PM, Mildred O'brien via Peace-discuss > wrote: Before catching the bus to downtown Champaign for the monthly anti-war demo I checked P-D one last time to see if there would be any others to join for perhaps for the last time before cold weather ensues. Finding no indication of anyone else, I have decided to cancel my plans this afternoon rather than spend another hour in transit for nothing. Last month only Doug, David, (James and I with no signs) showed up, so I decided not to make the trip to Champaign this afternoon. I sincerely hope Doug has been notified. It was a noble effort if futile, since 2003. But the wars continue... Midge -----Original Message----- From: David Green via Peace-discuss > To: Peace-discuss >; peace > Sent: Fri, Oct 4, 2019 1:19 pm Subject: [Peace-discuss] AWARE monthly demonstrations It would appear to me that our 18-year tradition of at least monthly demonstrations is no longer viable or tenable, due to attrition, age, incipient cold weather, and other causes of absence. My concern is also that Doug not be left alone tomorrow or in the future, unless he chooses to do so. Best regards, David _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Oct 6 19:13:07 2019 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 19:13:07 +0000 Subject: [Peace] Extinction Rebellion interview by Chris Hedges, tomorrow is the big day across continents Message-ID: https://www.rt.com/shows/on-contact/470301-climate-emergency-extinction-rebellion/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cgestabrook at gmail.com Sat Oct 5 01:02:29 2019 From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 20:02:29 -0500 Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] AWARE monthly demonstrations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <450F3E33-7416-42A9-8423-A749B3B4D8EB@gmail.com> I think James is quite right. There a number of groups around town who claim to be anti-war, often in connection with other causes. We should invite them to join our autumnal memento mori. Our great political problem is American war-making. > On Oct 4, 2019, at 5:56 PM, James M wrote: > > I'm available tomorrow for the demonstration. I very much like the small effort we do for anti-war, and if y'all are still in, I'm still in. > > Would it be worth re-inviting a variety of local activists to the November or December rallies? We could try to drum up more digital support as well. > > Anti-war is still a cause I very much would like to see continued locally, even if it's a small effort. > > James. > > > > > On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 5:30 PM John W. via Peace-discuss wrote: > On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 4:23 PM C. G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: > > I?m sorry I?m away. > > I think it?s a tradition worth maintaining. > > The US government will maintain its tradition of war-making. > > Unfortunately the U.S. government has a much stronger bench. :-( > > > > > On Oct 4, 2019, at 1:18 PM, David Green via Peace wrote: > > > > It would appear to me that our 18-year tradition of at least monthly demonstrations is no longer viable or tenable, due to attrition, age, incipient cold weather, and other causes of absence. My concern is also that Doug not be left alone tomorrow or in the future, unless he chooses to do so. > > > > Best regards, > > > > David > > _______________________________________________ > > Peace mailing list > > Peace at lists.chambana.net > > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From cgestabrook at gmail.com Sun Oct 6 14:01:07 2019 From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C. G. Estabrook ) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 09:01:07 -0500 Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] AWARE monthly demonstrations In-Reply-To: <1983000264.4182617.1570300634346@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1983000264.4182617.1570300634346@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Midge? I assume we?ll demonstrate the first Saturday in November, and I plan to be in town and can drive you there & back if you want. Ithink its a good tradition to keep up. We should try a press release on our long tradition > On Oct 5, 2019, at 1:37 PM, Mildred O'brien via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Before catching the bus to downtown Champaign for the monthly anti-war demo I checked P-D one last time to see if there would be any others to join for perhaps for the last time before cold weather ensues. Finding no indication of anyone else, I have decided to cancel my plans this afternoon rather than spend another hour in transit for nothing. Last month only Doug, David, (James and I with no signs) showed up, so I decided not to make the trip to Champaign this afternoon. I sincerely hope Doug has been notified. It was a noble effort if futile, since 2003. But the wars continue... > > Midge > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Green via Peace-discuss > To: Peace-discuss ; peace > Sent: Fri, Oct 4, 2019 1:19 pm > Subject: [Peace-discuss] AWARE monthly demonstrations > > It would appear to me that our 18-year tradition of at least monthly demonstrations is no longer viable or tenable, due to attrition, age, incipient cold weather, and other causes of absence. My concern is also that Doug not be left alone tomorrow or in the future, unless he chooses to do so. > > Best regards, > > David > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cgestabrook at gmail.com Sun Oct 6 23:46:27 2019 From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 18:46:27 -0500 Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] AWARE monthly demonstrations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9B6962BD-F365-4418-9D4B-4FA923953776@gmail.com> I think Bob?s on to something here. A group address by AWARE to our elected representatives will point up the fact that the wars we've objected to for 20 years are not isolated events but the result of conscious, calculated and continuous US government policies. They do not depend on the vagaries of any of the US presidents of the last 20 years - they would have occurred even if their opponents had been elected. These criminal wars - in the interest of the US 1% - can be defeated only by arousing the native anti-war and isolationist sentiments of the US public, who are consistently misled by the corporate media. So Bob?s suggestion of a public informational campaign, using the organs of local government, has merit. We should plan for it. ?CGE > On Oct 5, 2019, at 4:11 PM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss wrote: > > > Age and attrition cometh for us all. > > But here's a proposal for how to skirt the problem of the cold weather: have the monthly "demonstration" indoors for the winter months. > > Here's an idea for how to do that. > > There are three local government bodies that meet regularly in the winter months, allow public participation before each meeting, and televise their proceedings: the Urbana City Council, the Champaign City Council, and the Champaign County Board. During the assigned time for public participation, you can say whatever the hell you want, within the assigned time limit. It doesn't have to concern business before the body that evening. > > So, my proposal is, instead of standing on the street corner, go to the public participation and speak up for peace. Going once to each body would take care of three months. > > I don't remember exactly how they do it in Champaign or at the County, but a nice thing about the way they do it in Urbana is that you fill out a slip, say why you're there, and say that you want to speak or you don't want to speak. So, for example, one person or two people who felt called to speak could speak, and the other people could say on their slip, "here in support of peace, don't need to speak." That would be kind of like a demonstration, only it wouldn't be cold, and you would be televised. And also, you can leave if you want as soon as public participation is over, so it takes less time. And you don't need to bring any signs. > > - Robert Naiman > > PS. We might be winning soon on ending US participation in the Saudi war in Yemen on the bill that funds the Pentagon. So peace activism is happening. > > On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 2:19 PM David Green via Peace-discuss wrote: > It would appear to me that our 18-year tradition of at least monthly demonstrations is no longer viable or tenable, due to attrition, age, incipient cold weather, and other causes of absence. My concern is also that Doug not be left alone tomorrow or in the future, unless he chooses to do so. > > Best regards, > > David > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From jbn at forestfield.org Tue Oct 8 23:03:37 2019 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 18:03:37 -0500 Subject: [Peace] AWARE on the Air #495 notes Message-ID: AWARE on the Air #495 Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMPM9UP-d_I A list of links to items referenced on the show. C. J. Hopkins on "Trumpenstein Must Be Destroyed!" https://off-guardian.org/2019/10/05/trumpenstein-must-be-destroyed/ https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cj-hopkins-trumpenstein-must-be-destroyed https://dissidentvoice.org/2019/10/trumpenstein-must-be-destroyed/ https://libertarianhub.com/2019/10/04/cj-hopkins-trumpenstein-must-be-destroyed/ https://www.opednews.com/articles/Trumpenstein-Must-Be-Destr-by-CJ-Hopkins-Impeachment_PsyOps_Trump-191008-338.html https://wearechangetv.us/2019/10/cj-hopkins-trumpenstein-must-be-destroyed/ Caitlin Johnstone on "Wealth Identity Politics: Billionaires Acting Like A Persecuted Minority Is Peak Capitalism" https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/wealth-identity-politics-billionaires-acting-like-a-persecuted-minority-is-peak-capitalism-5872cde64dfb https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/10/04/wealth-identity-politics-billionaires-acting-like-a-persecuted-minority-is-peak-capitalism/ https://newlevellers.blogspot.com/2019/10/wealth-identity-politics-billionaires.html https://www.theburningplatform.com/2019/10/03/wealth-identity-politics-billionaires-acting-like-a-persecuted-minority-is-peak-capitalism/ https://osociety.org/2019/10/06/wealth-identity-politics-billionaires-acting-like-a-persecuted-minority-is-peak-capitalism/ Kathy Kelly on "The Wounds of War in Afghanistan" https://progressive.org/dispatches/when-will-the-war-cease-kelly-190927/ http://www.intrepidreport.com/archives/28240 Rep. Tulsi Gabbard interview reflecting her views on drone warfare https://theintercept.com/2018/01/17/intercepted-podcast-white-mirror/ Heather Linebaugh on "I worked on the US drone program. The public should know what really goes on" in what amounts to a response although it was given years earlier than Rep. Gabbard's interview https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/29/drones-us-military Sophie & Co. interview with Lt. Col. Bruce Black https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVNN_Je7RgM -J From kmedina67 at gmail.com Wed Oct 9 23:03:10 2019 From: kmedina67 at gmail.com (Karen Medina) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 18:03:10 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Sat Oct 12, 7pm speaker talking about Norway's prisons as an alternative to U.S. prisons Message-ID: Dear Peace, On October 12th, there will be a speaker talking about Norway's criminal justice system (and their education system) as alternatives to the United States' systems. I thought you might be interested. Event: ?Norwegian Prisons: Lessons in Humanity / Rebekah Buchanan? Where: IMC / 202 S. Broadway, Urbana When: Saturday, October 12, 2019 at 7pm Cost: free. This event will also be a fundraiser for the Champaign County Bailout Coalition. I am attaching 2 things: 1) a flyer for the event 2) a description of the bailout coalition About the speaker: Rebekah Buchanan is an Associate Professor of English an Director of English Education at Western Illinois University. She was a 2018-2019 Fulbright Roving Scholar to Norway where she spent a year conducting workshops on United States history, culture, and politics to students and teachers in upper secondary schools (videreg?ende skoles) throughout Norway. // Her research focuses on feminism, activism, and literacy practices in youth culture, specifically through zines and music. She has written extensively on popular culture in the classroom, youth's out of school literacy practices, music-based pedagogy, punk, including her book, Writing a Riot: Riot Grrrl Zines and Feminist Rhetorics (Peter Lang, 2018). She also is creating writing programs for dissertators. Currently, she is working on projects around teaching in Norway, Norwegian prison education, and reading and activism in the Harry Potter series. October 12th event https://www.facebook.com/events/2387614024854789/ Other events: or the Graduate School of Library and Information Science talk on Libraries in Norway on Monday, October 14, 2019 at 11:30am. https://ischool.illinois.edu/news-events/news/2019/10/buchanan-lecture-libraries-norway https://ischool.illinois.edu/news-events/events/2019/10/14/prison-school-and-public-libraries-norway Excitedly, Karen Medina -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kmedina67 at gmail.com Wed Oct 9 23:07:25 2019 From: kmedina67 at gmail.com (Karen Medina) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 18:07:25 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Sat Oct 12, 7pm speaker talking about Norway's prisons as an alternative to U.S. prisons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here is the flyer for the event (I forgot to attach it). I will have to go look for the description of the bailout coalition, and it might be quite large, so I will send that separately. -karen medina On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 6:03 PM Karen Medina wrote: > Dear Peace, > > On October 12th, there will be a speaker talking about Norway's criminal > justice system (and their education system) as alternatives to the United > States' systems. > > > > I thought you might be interested. > > > > Event: ?Norwegian Prisons: Lessons in Humanity / Rebekah Buchanan? > > Where: IMC / 202 S. Broadway, Urbana > > When: Saturday, October 12, 2019 at 7pm > > Cost: free. This event will also be a fundraiser for the Champaign County > Bailout Coalition. > > > > I am attaching 2 things: 1) a flyer for the event 2) a description of the > bailout coalition > > > > About the speaker: Rebekah Buchanan is an Associate Professor of English > an Director of English Education at Western Illinois University. She was a > 2018-2019 Fulbright Roving Scholar to Norway where she spent a year > conducting workshops on United States history, culture, and politics to > students and teachers in upper secondary schools (videreg?ende skoles) > throughout Norway. // Her research focuses on feminism, activism, and > literacy practices in youth culture, specifically through zines and music. > She has written extensively on popular culture in the classroom, youth's > out of school literacy practices, music-based pedagogy, punk, including her > book, Writing a Riot: Riot Grrrl Zines and Feminist Rhetorics (Peter Lang, > 2018). She also is creating writing programs for dissertators. Currently, > she is working on projects around teaching in Norway, Norwegian prison > education, and reading and activism in the Harry Potter series. > > > > October 12th event > > https://www.facebook.com/events/2387614024854789/ > > > > Other events: > > or the Graduate School of Library and Information Science talk on > Libraries in Norway on Monday, October 14, 2019 at 11:30am. > > > https://ischool.illinois.edu/news-events/news/2019/10/buchanan-lecture-libraries-norway > > > https://ischool.illinois.edu/news-events/events/2019/10/14/prison-school-and-public-libraries-norway > > > > Excitedly, > Karen Medina > > -- -- karen medina "The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." - Mark Twain -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: NorwegianPrisonsFlyer2019_10_12.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 291340 bytes Desc: not available URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Fri Oct 11 18:11:41 2019 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 18:11:41 +0000 Subject: [Peace] A must listen, Joti Brar of the British Communist Party interview by Caleb Maupin Message-ID: A must listen, I?m going to really annoy a lot of people with this and though I don?t totally agree with everything she says, but most of what she says, and she covers quite a bit that is relevant today. Ex: her suggestion that all Trotskyist organizations support imperialism. That has not been my experience. The SWP was involved in organizing against the war in Vietnam, and the WSWS.ORG or the Socialist Equality Party writes about imperialism as almost no one else does. However, I now recognize the WSWS is negative towards both Russia and China. Also, I was young and naive when involved with the SWP, so who knows. I do think when Trotskyists focus so much on "international solidarity," one must be cautious not to be a pawn of imperialism, Syria is an example of Trotskyists supporting US imperialism. Again this does not apply to the Socialist Equality Party or their newsletter the WSWS.ORG https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v7bWFFLzUY&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR232PH53-0uOGCNP5rY0z7RmOmOlL7tNp05DNcXrjO2pJBDCiPpB4VBnUE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbn at forestfield.org Sat Oct 12 13:27:03 2019 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 08:27:03 -0500 Subject: [Peace] News from Neptune #437 notes Message-ID: <1aa1c3fc-da6d-a9a1-2b0d-36cc7714bd54@forestfield.org> News from Neptune #437 Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCtgxNdPSIk A "Ending U.S. War?" edition A list of links to items referenced on the show. President Trump on "GOING INTO THE MIDDLE EAST IS THE WORST DECISION EVER MADE..." https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181905659568283648 Tulsi Gabbard on "Trump is not removing troops from Syria" https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1181984126083186688/pu/vid/360x504/QXA2SiMwPESphIGV.mp4 https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1181984547963101189.html Benjamin Studebaker, Aimee Terese's show "What's Left?" https://soundcloud.com/whatisleftpod/ep-1-whats-left-of-the-left -- Episode 1 https://twitter.com/whatisleftpod -- Twitter account https://feeds.soundcloud.com/users/soundcloud:users:595199712/sounds.rss -- RSS feed Paul Left on "On the TrumpenLeft and False Equivalence" https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/10/11/on-the-trumpenleft-and-false-equivalence/ Anthony Dimaggio on "Fake News in Trump's America" https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/10/11/fake-news-in-trumps-america/ Andrew Levine on "Trump's End Days" https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/10/11/trumps-end-days-2/ C.J. Hopkins on "Trumpenstein Must Be Destroyed!" https://www.unz.com/chopkins/trumpenstein-must-be-destroyed/ https://consentfactory.org/2019/10/04/trumpenstein-must-be-destroyed/ David Green on "Challenging Nicholas Kristof?s Claim of ?Thousands More Jeffrey Epsteins?" https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/10/02/challenging-nicholas-kristofs-claim-of-thousands-more-jeffrey-epsteins/ C. G. Estabrook responding to Louis Proyect on the Marxism mailing list https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/pipermail/marxism/2019-October/292145.html Jim Dey articles in the News-Gazette https://www.news-gazette.com/users/profile/jim%20dey/ Julie Wurth on "UI investigates anti-Semitism complaints" https://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/university-illinois/ui-investigates-anti-semitism-complaints/article_c84f3c70-eb64-11e9-b41f-db8a3d1aaa7f.html Related: "Chancellor releases statement addressing antisemitism" https://dailyillini.com/news/2019/10/11/chancellor-releases-statement-addressing-antisemitism/ Julie Wurth articles in the News-Gazette https://www.news-gazette.com/users/profile/Julie%20Wurth "Those Who Served" series in the News-Gazette https://usveterans.news-gazette.com/ Paul Wood on "Those Who Served: 'Working in fear and isolation are the real corroding elements'" https://www.news-gazette.com/news/those-who-served-working-in-fear-and-isolation-are-the/article_b4a7d21d-8ce1-5be9-b9d9-5b7059159c8b.html Working Class History audio program http://feeds.soundcloud.com/users/soundcloud:users:354109835/sounds.rss -- RSS feed https://libcom.org/library/working-class-history-podcast -- links to episodes, show information Related: http://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/484912140-workingclasshistory-gi-resistance-in-vietnam-2.mp3 -- episode mentioning Jerry Lembcke and the spitting myth Related: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/13/opinion/myth-spitting-vietnam-protester.html -- Jerry Lembcke article on the spitting myth "1984" by George Orwell http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks01/0100021.txt https://www.george-orwell.org/1984 Vietnam Syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_Syndrome Robert Parry on "Kicking the Vietnam Syndrome" http://www.consortiumnews.com/2011/022811.html Professional-managerial class https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional-managerial_class PBS NewsHour on "Deep State" by James B. Stewart https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WXsGvwH4ng Democracy Now on "?Racism in America Is Endemic?: Democratic Candidates Vow to Confront White Supremacy & Legacy of Slavery" https://www.democracynow.org/2019/9/13/democratic_debate_white_supremacy_racism John Clegg on "How Slavery Shaped American Capitalism" https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/08/how-slavery-shaped-american-capitalism Benjamin Studebaker on "Cotton is Not What Made the United States Rich" https://benjaminstudebaker.com/2019/09/03/cotton-is-not-what-made-the-united-states-rich/ Research notes https://lists.chambana.net/pipermail/peace-discuss/2019-October/051328.html -J From davidgreen50 at gmail.com Sat Oct 12 16:04:41 2019 From: davidgreen50 at gmail.com (David Green) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 11:04:41 -0500 Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] News from Neptune #437 notes In-Reply-To: <1aa1c3fc-da6d-a9a1-2b0d-36cc7714bd54@forestfield.org> References: <1aa1c3fc-da6d-a9a1-2b0d-36cc7714bd54@forestfield.org> Message-ID: Thanks to Jeff for providing the link to Wikipedia regarding my reference to the Professional Managerial Class, PMC, which was coined by the Ehrenreichs in the 1970s, and is the basis for Barbara Ehrenreich's great but mostly forgotten book, "Fear of Falling: the Inner Life of the Middle Class", which I used when I taught Sociology of Education 30 years ago. The Wikipedia article refers to as much as much as 30% or so of the population in this category, and that may be technically true in terms of occupational definitions. But as I stressed on the program, and as I have stressed in other contexts, I'm really referring to no more than 10% of the population, that portion that now owns 3/4 of the wealth. PMC members referred to in the Wikipedia article, especially teachers, nurses, etc., have a much more ambiguous status, characterized by an increasingly high level of unionization. This 10% is now the basis for the "meritocratic" class that supports the Clintonite/Warrenite Democratic Party, which has become increasingly tenuous due to its alienation of the "white working class," and its frayed relationship with POC in the post-Obama era. DG On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 8:27 AM J.B. Nicholson via Peace-discuss < peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > News from Neptune #437 > Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCtgxNdPSIk > A "Ending U.S. War?" edition > > A list of links to items referenced on the show. > > President Trump on "GOING INTO THE MIDDLE EAST IS THE WORST DECISION EVER > MADE..." > https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181905659568283648 > > Tulsi Gabbard on "Trump is not removing troops from Syria" > > https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1181984126083186688/pu/vid/360x504/QXA2SiMwPESphIGV.mp4 > https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1181984547963101189.html > > > > Benjamin Studebaker, Aimee Terese's show "What's Left?" > https://soundcloud.com/whatisleftpod/ep-1-whats-left-of-the-left -- > Episode 1 > https://twitter.com/whatisleftpod -- Twitter account > https://feeds.soundcloud.com/users/soundcloud:users:595199712/sounds.rss > -- > RSS feed > > Paul Left on "On the TrumpenLeft and False Equivalence" > > https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/10/11/on-the-trumpenleft-and-false-equivalence/ > > Anthony Dimaggio on "Fake News in Trump's America" > https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/10/11/fake-news-in-trumps-america/ > > Andrew Levine on "Trump's End Days" > https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/10/11/trumps-end-days-2/ > > C.J. Hopkins on "Trumpenstein Must Be Destroyed!" > https://www.unz.com/chopkins/trumpenstein-must-be-destroyed/ > https://consentfactory.org/2019/10/04/trumpenstein-must-be-destroyed/ > > David Green on "Challenging Nicholas Kristof?s Claim of ?Thousands More > Jeffrey Epsteins?" > > https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/10/02/challenging-nicholas-kristofs-claim-of-thousands-more-jeffrey-epsteins/ > > C. G. Estabrook responding to Louis Proyect on the Marxism mailing list > https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/pipermail/marxism/2019-October/292145.html > > Jim Dey articles in the News-Gazette > https://www.news-gazette.com/users/profile/jim%20dey/ > > Julie Wurth on "UI investigates anti-Semitism complaints" > > https://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/university-illinois/ui-investigates-anti-semitism-complaints/article_c84f3c70-eb64-11e9-b41f-db8a3d1aaa7f.html > > Related: "Chancellor releases statement addressing antisemitism" > > https://dailyillini.com/news/2019/10/11/chancellor-releases-statement-addressing-antisemitism/ > > Julie Wurth articles in the News-Gazette > https://www.news-gazette.com/users/profile/Julie%20Wurth > > > > "Those Who Served" series in the News-Gazette > https://usveterans.news-gazette.com/ > > Paul Wood on "Those Who Served: 'Working in fear and isolation are the > real > corroding elements'" > > https://www.news-gazette.com/news/those-who-served-working-in-fear-and-isolation-are-the/article_b4a7d21d-8ce1-5be9-b9d9-5b7059159c8b.html > > Working Class History audio program > http://feeds.soundcloud.com/users/soundcloud:users:354109835/sounds.rss > -- > RSS feed > https://libcom.org/library/working-class-history-podcast -- links to > episodes, show information > > Related: > > http://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/484912140-workingclasshistory-gi-resistance-in-vietnam-2.mp3 > -- episode mentioning Jerry Lembcke and the spitting myth > > Related: > > https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/13/opinion/myth-spitting-vietnam-protester.html > -- Jerry Lembcke article on the spitting myth > > "1984" by George Orwell > http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks01/0100021.txt > https://www.george-orwell.org/1984 > > Vietnam Syndrome > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_Syndrome > > Robert Parry on "Kicking the Vietnam Syndrome" > http://www.consortiumnews.com/2011/022811.html > > Professional-managerial class > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional-managerial_class > > > > PBS NewsHour on "Deep State" by James B. Stewart > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WXsGvwH4ng > > > > Democracy Now on "?Racism in America Is Endemic?: Democratic Candidates > Vow > to Confront White Supremacy & Legacy of Slavery" > > https://www.democracynow.org/2019/9/13/democratic_debate_white_supremacy_racism > > John Clegg on "How Slavery Shaped American Capitalism" > https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/08/how-slavery-shaped-american-capitalism > > Benjamin Studebaker on "Cotton is Not What Made the United States Rich" > > https://benjaminstudebaker.com/2019/09/03/cotton-is-not-what-made-the-united-states-rich/ > > > Research notes > https://lists.chambana.net/pipermail/peace-discuss/2019-October/051328.html > > -J > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat Oct 12 21:26:26 2019 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 21:26:26 +0000 Subject: [Peace] =?utf-8?q?U=2ES=2E_and_Turkey_out_of_Syria_=E2=80=94_No_?= =?utf-8?q?to_the_NATO_invasion!?= Message-ID: U.S. and Turkey out of Syria ? No to the NATO invasion! By Party for Socialism and Liberation Oct 11, 2019 The Turkish invasion and bombardment of northern Syria is patently illegal and must be opposed. So too is the U.S. military occupation of Syria. The sovereign government of Syria has not invited U.S. or Turkish troops into its country. Rather it has condemned their presence as a violation of its sovereignty and international law. In just the first day of this operation, dozens of civilians have reportedly been killed and tens of thousands displaced. That Trump?s Democratic Party opponents and his Republican Party supporters are condemning his announcement of a ?pullout of US troops from Syria? is testament to the fact that the entire U.S. political establishment is thoroughly imbued with imperialist ideology. But Trump is not pulling the troops out of Syria. They are only being removed 20 miles south so that a Turkish military incursion can negate the possibility of the formation of a Kurdish-governed zone, be it in the form of an independent state or as an autonomous region within Syria. The Pentagon will, for the sake of damage control, distance themselves from the Turkish invasion, and Trump will deny he gave Erdogan the green light. But there is no doubt that this was coordinated. In essence one NATO power has turned over military control of a strip of northern Syria to another NATO ally. But it is not theirs to give. Neither the U.S. nor Turkey have any right to be in Syria. Nearly all the mainstream opposition to Trump and the Turkish invasion is obscuring this central fact. From Ilhan Omar to Mitch McConnell, MSNBC to National Review, all are now pounding away at Trump for leaving an opening in Syria to ?enemy states? ? implying the far-flung U.S. Empire is a force for good and stability, with unlimited global police powers and exempt from international law. Even some of those who said ?Bring the Troops Home? for Iraq and Afghanistan now find themselves echoing the neo-conservative talking points, defending a long-term illegal occupation of northern Syria in the name of ?protecting our allies.? This type of struggle against Trump is not being waged on an anti-war or progressive basis. The ruling-class argument is not that Trump is too much of a militarist or imperialist but rather that he often doesn?t follow through with his tough talk. At the United Nations two weeks ago, Trump delivered one of the most bellicose speeches ever given to that body ? an incredible display of swaggering, colonial arrogance, contemptuous of the rest of the world and threatening devastation to those who resist. But instead of making a big deal about this, the ?liberal? New York Times has goaded Trump with a series of articles about how he ?speaks loudly and carries a small stick.? Particularly upsetting to them is that he called off the Iran strikes this summer ? making the spectacular claim that not bombing Iran has destabilized the region. [Erdogan and Trump. Public domain.] Erdogan and Trump. Public domain. At the top echelons of the U.S. ruling class, the problem with Trump is not that he is too much of a militarist ? or alternately, that he?s too soft. It is that he is too unreliable, unpredictable and self-motivated to safeguard the Empire, and its system of alliances that they have carefully constructed over the last 70 years. For them, safeguarding these interests is the real job description of the President, and he is failing at it. They might even take him out if he wreaks more damage. The anti-war movement must, by contrast, denounce Trump on a completely different basis. We must say that Trump, while giving voice to the popular sentiment to end the ?forever wars,? is in fact lying. He is not pulling U.S. troops out of Syria ? only pulling them away from a 20-mile strip so as to cynically deliver the territory to Erdogan. Trump tanked the peace talks at the last second to end the Afghanistan war ? apparently caving to those like Pompeo, Pence and Bolton who advised him to do so. On North Korea, Trump has provided spectacle but nothing of substance; the occupation of southern Korea continues, along with the deployment of weapons systems, the war games and illegal sanctions. For all the talk about Ukraine, few are pondering the fact that Trump did what Obama cautiously refused to do: to deliver the Javelin anti-tank missile system to that far-right country, which will only deepen the bloody quagmire in the east and could lead to dangerous direct war with Russia. Trump has dramatically increased the attacks on Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua with punishing sanctions that have choked off these countries? access to international trade ? blatant economic warfare to which the ?liberal? opposition have hardly batted an eye. Is there another solution in Syria? The Syrian government has condemned the Turkish invasion and promised to, alongside the SDF/YPG, jointly defend the country?s sovereign territory. There is reportedly a consistent line of communication between the two forces; the stipulations and status of a deeper agreement are unknown at the time of this writing. But such a realignment would make a huge difference in the military and political relationship of forces. The two forces have a complicated relationship over the last eight years (and prior) ? sometimes opposing each other, and at other times working together. A new agreement of this nature would presumably endanger the ongoing U.S.-SDF relationship in other parts of the northeast, outside of the 20-mile strip. As of now the Kurdish-led military forces appear to be signaling a desire to maintain an alliance with U.S. military forces in the rest of northern Syria.The road to justice for Kurdish people or any minority people cannot be through a military alliance with predatory imperialism. U.S. imperialism is an obstacle to peace and self-determination and not its agent. Despite the sizable territory they control, Kurdish forces have been wrongly excluded from the Astana peace process which aims to produce a new Syrian constitution. Notably, they have been excluded not by Russia, Iran or the Syrian government but by Turkey, who refused to participate or allow the Free Syrian Army to participate, if the SDF/YPG were present. The only other proposal to head off a larger confrontation is Russia?s idea of reviving the 1998 Adana Accord between Syria and Turkey. But this is highly unlikely, as it would require Turkey, the largest sponsor of terrorism and mercenaries in the Syrian conflict to normalize its relations with the Syrian government. It would likewise require, as the original 1998 agreement stipulated, that the Syrian government would use its own military to work jointly with Turkey to contain the Kurdish national movement and it could still give Turkey a right to cross the border. So at this point, the options are for the SDF/YPG to fight alone against a much larger Turkish military, or to make an agreement with the Syrian government. The SDF/YPG is sending mixed signals at the moment. As stated above, some statements that appeared in the media indicate that these forces may be seeking to maintain an alliance with the U.S. further away from the border area in northern Syria. Such a long-term alliance with U.S. imperialism, which has illegally occupied the region and whose latest betrayal follows a century of betrayals, cannot be politically justified, and is clearly being withdrawn already by the Trump administration. The SDF/YPG forces have in prior interviews invoked the spirit of the U.S.-Soviet military alliance against the Nazis to explain the temporary confluence of interests with the U.S. military. This was the logic behind the call for U.S. air support to prevent ISIS from capturing and wiping out a Kurdish city of Kobane. But ISIS is largely defeated, and in the long run, everyone has understood that at some point the U.S. forces would have to leave and the Syrian government would remain. Moreover, no one seriously believes that the U.S. would ever fight a NATO ally, Turkey, in defense of the Kurdish people. The relationship of forces was bound to come to this sooner or later, as the SDF/YPG has long admitted in interviews. They have wanted to delay the arrival of that day, and were undoubtedly surprised that it had come in such a sudden and uncoordinated way. The truth is that most of the Western forces, conservative and liberal, who are crying crocodile tears over the Kurdish suffering care only about the projection of U.S. military power in Syria for geopolitical reasons. When the YPG fought in Aleppo alongside the Syrian government and against the Free Syrian Army and Al-Qaeda forces, these same Western forces cried out #SaveAleppo. When Turkey invaded Afrin and ethnically cleansed it of Kurds last year, they said nothing because Afrin was not part of U.S.-controlled territory. When Erdogan represses the Kurdish people in Turkey, the U.S. government sells him more weapons to do so ? without objection from the establishment here. If the SDF were to now ally with the Syrian government as a matter of self-defense against the Turkish invasion, where would Western liberal and conservative sentiment then stand? They would stand with Turkey ? a NATO ally ? and the Free Syrian Army-related mercenary forces, just as they have stood with them over the last eight years. Erdogan?s dream of a neo-Ottoman Empire has already been dashed. His goal of overthrowing the Syrian government has been defeated, after causing great suffering for the Syrian people, an explosion of fundamentalist death squads and groups like ISIS and a massive refugee crisis. With his star fading at home, Erdogan ? who at one point was maneuvering as a peacemaker on the Kurdish question ? has now turned to an all-out chauvinist crusade against the Kurdish minority within Turkey and across the border. He will meet considerable resistance in Syrian Kurdistan on one side while progressive workers in Turkey are already mobilizing at home against this criminal and dangerous adventure. From the United States, our message is clear: Down with the Turkish invasion! U.S. and Turkey out of Syria and the Middle East! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r-szoke at illinois.edu Sat Oct 12 22:36:59 2019 From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 22:36:59 +0000 Subject: [Peace] Bothsidesing & Whataboutism Message-ID: Looking at ?Bothsidesing? When equal coverage leads to uneven results Merriam-Webster 23 Sep 2019 Bothsidesing is a critique leveled at the media and public personas referring to the practice of finding a second angle on a story in an attempt at appearing "fair" to each side, which can often be seen as lending credibility to a side or objectionable idea that has none. There are two sides to every story, or so we are told. Two people in an argument aren?t going to see an issue the same way. And people on different ends of the political spectrum are going to have different opinions about the events that take place in the news. Getting more than one point of view to the story is part and parcel of journalism, but sometimes that means taking pains to look for a second angle to a subject merely for the sake of argument. And that is how we have come to see use of bothsidesing. 'Bothsidesing' is thought to have much in common with 'whataboutism.' The state of our nation and the state of our president have all but passed the point of rescue, but the press, in misguided pursuit of objectivity and led by the New York Times, still ?bothsides? its coverage. Make no mistake: This too is bias, and though it?s not nearly as corrosive to democracy as the Trump administration, it distorts and accelerates that corrosion?all in the name of neutrality, no less. ? Roger Sollenberger, Paste, 27 Dec. 2018 Conservatives who spent decades railing against Kennedy, calling him a murderer and a scoundrel and screaming about the left's silence, are right to be annoyed by the bothsidesing of this event. ? Sonny Bunch, The Washington Post, 19 Apr. 2018 Bothsidesing and its related noun bothsidesism turn up in critiques of the news media when a journalist or pundit seems to give extra credence to a cause, action, or idea that on the surface seems objectionable, thereby establishing a sort of moral equivalence that allows said cause, action, or idea to be weighed seriously. By giving credence to the other side, the media gives an impression of being fair to its subject, but in doing so often provides credibility to an idea that most might view as unmerited. What really makes this the Tapper Moment, though, is not his growing fame and viral interviews. It's the breadth of the respect he's earned, and how he's wielding it in the age of Trump. Because while he's tough on conservatives and liberals alike, he doesn't engage in bothsidesism. As Tapper said to Maher, "I've never really seen this level of falsehood, just quantitatively." ? Graham Vyse, The New Republic, 9 Mar. 2018 'Bothsidesing' in Politics It?s not just the media that gets accused of bothsidesing. The term also arises whenever a public official?or anyone with a large listening audience?equivocates about a seemingly condemnable action by saying that the people on either side of that action are equally responsible for it having taken place. Bothsidesing happens prominently during times of mass protest?as protests are met with counterprotests and violent clashes erupt, turning to bothsidesism prevents one from explicitly identifying which is in the wrong, thereby avoiding any incisive comment on the discord that led to the protests in the first place. Calling this action bothsidesing might be a deliberate echo of Trump?s own language. In August 2017 he responded to the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, saying that there were ?very fine people on both sides? at the rally, language that was viewed by many as a deliberate attempt to avoid singling out white supremacist activity. It?s probably not a coincidence that use of the term has increased in the months since Trump uttered the line?much of it on Twitter, sometimes as a hashtag. Similarities to 'Whataboutism' Bothsidesing has a lot in common with whataboutism?the rhetorical tactic of defending against an accusation by alerting others to a different accusation against an opponent. Both tactics rely on making false equivalences. While whataboutism comes with an element of diversion? look at what the guy over there did?bothsidesing tries to minimize what would often be deemed objectionable by heightening actions of other groups so that they will be deemed comparably objectionable. Some might argue that bothsidesing exposes a paradox about journalism: that sometimes, when both sides are treated fairly and equally, neither ends up shown in a true light. # # # From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net Sun Oct 13 15:04:36 2019 From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 10:04:36 -0500 Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Bothsidesing & Whataboutism In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001701d581d7$87891f40$969b5dc0$@comcast.net> A much more accurate analysis of what the corporate owned media does is Norm Chomsky's " Limits of Allowable debate " and " Manufacturing of consent ". This article is extremely superficial in general but what made it leap from superficial to absurd was the following paragraph - " What really makes this the Tapper Moment, though, is not his growing fame and viral interviews. It's the breadth of the respect he's earned, and how he's wielding it in the age of Trump. Because while he's tough on conservatives and liberals alike, he doesn't engage in bothsidesism. As Tapper said to Maher, "I've never really seen this level of falsehood, just quantitatively." - Graham Vyse, The New Republic, 9 Mar. 2018 Really ? Citing Jake fucking Tapper from CNN as a good example ? Did I miss a satirical punch line somewhere in my reading of this ? Jake Tapper is one of the absolute WORST so called " journalists " ( actor and stenographer would be a more accurate description ) in the U.S. corporate media. Rivalled only by the conspiracy theory promoter Rachael Maddow and a cast of characters at FOX so called " News ". David Johnson -----Original Message----- From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 5:37 PM To: peace-discuss at anti-war.net Cc: peace Subject: [Peace-discuss] Bothsidesing & Whataboutism Looking at 'Bothsidesing' When equal coverage leads to uneven results Merriam-Webster 23 Sep 2019 Bothsidesing is a critique leveled at the media and public personas referring to the practice of finding a second angle on a story in an attempt at appearing "fair" to each side, which can often be seen as lending credibility to a side or objectionable idea that has none. There are two sides to every story, or so we are told. Two people in an argument aren't going to see an issue the same way. And people on different ends of the political spectrum are going to have different opinions about the events that take place in the news. Getting more than one point of view to the story is part and parcel of journalism, but sometimes that means taking pains to look for a second angle to a subject merely for the sake of argument. And that is how we have come to see use of bothsidesing. 'Bothsidesing' is thought to have much in common with 'whataboutism.' The state of our nation and the state of our president have all but passed the point of rescue, but the press, in misguided pursuit of objectivity and led by the New York Times, still "bothsides" its coverage. Make no mistake: This too is bias, and though it's not nearly as corrosive to democracy as the Trump administration, it distorts and accelerates that corrosion-all in the name of neutrality, no less. - Roger Sollenberger, Paste, 27 Dec. 2018 Conservatives who spent decades railing against Kennedy, calling him a murderer and a scoundrel and screaming about the left's silence, are right to be annoyed by the bothsidesing of this event. - Sonny Bunch, The Washington Post, 19 Apr. 2018 Bothsidesing and its related noun bothsidesism turn up in critiques of the news media when a journalist or pundit seems to give extra credence to a cause, action, or idea that on the surface seems objectionable, thereby establishing a sort of moral equivalence that allows said cause, action, or idea to be weighed seriously. By giving credence to the other side, the media gives an impression of being fair to its subject, but in doing so often provides credibility to an idea that most might view as unmerited. What really makes this the Tapper Moment, though, is not his growing fame and viral interviews. It's the breadth of the respect he's earned, and how he's wielding it in the age of Trump. Because while he's tough on conservatives and liberals alike, he doesn't engage in bothsidesism. As Tapper said to Maher, "I've never really seen this level of falsehood, just quantitatively." - Graham Vyse, The New Republic, 9 Mar. 2018 'Bothsidesing' in Politics It's not just the media that gets accused of bothsidesing. The term also arises whenever a public official-or anyone with a large listening audience-equivocates about a seemingly condemnable action by saying that the people on either side of that action are equally responsible for it having taken place. Bothsidesing happens prominently during times of mass protest-as protests are met with counterprotests and violent clashes erupt, turning to bothsidesism prevents one from explicitly identifying which is in the wrong, thereby avoiding any incisive comment on the discord that led to the protests in the first place. Calling this action bothsidesing might be a deliberate echo of Trump's own language. In August 2017 he responded to the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, saying that there were "very fine people on both sides" at the rally, language that was viewed by many as a deliberate attempt to avoid singling out white supremacist activity. It's probably not a coincidence that use of the term has increased in the months since Trump uttered the line-much of it on Twitter, sometimes as a hashtag. Similarities to 'Whataboutism' Bothsidesing has a lot in common with whataboutism-the rhetorical tactic of defending against an accusation by alerting others to a different accusation against an opponent. Both tactics rely on making false equivalences. While whataboutism comes with an element of diversion- look at what the guy over there did-bothsidesing tries to minimize what would often be deemed objectionable by heightening actions of other groups so that they will be deemed comparably objectionable. Some might argue that bothsidesing exposes a paradox about journalism: that sometimes, when both sides are treated fairly and equally, neither ends up shown in a true light. # # # _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Oct 13 20:45:23 2019 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 20:45:23 +0000 Subject: [Peace] Interview with Kevin Zeese and Dr. Margaret Flowers Message-ID: https://www.rt.com/shows/on-contact/470821-rebel-kevin-zeese-resistance/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at newsfromneptune.com Sun Oct 13 23:05:45 2019 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 18:05:45 -0500 Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Interview with Kevin Zeese and Dr. Margaret Flowers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <902AA839-A9BB-49F2-8F98-665775D810F0@newsfromneptune.com> On AOTA on Tuesday. > On Oct 13, 2019, at 3:45 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: > > https://www.rt.com/shows/on-contact/470821-rebel-kevin-zeese-resistance/ > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon Oct 14 14:31:08 2019 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 14:31:08 +0000 Subject: [Peace] Stop war, and climate change: Kevin Zeese is coming to Illinois Message-ID: In an effort to form a coalition of concerned individuals and groups, Kevin Zeese will be speaking at the Illini Union on Oct. 26th at 3:00pm. A panel discussion on Imperialism with locals such as David Johnson speaking on the ?Costs of War,? as well as others. A panel on Eco Socialism, with the goal of bringing these issues together and forming a coalition movement. Please see below: Kevin Zeese of Popular Resistance Coming to Illinois October 23-26, 2019 Posted on October 13, 2019 [Zeese_Embassy_Protectors.jpg] For years, Popular Resistance (https://popularresistance.org/) has been an indispensable source of information for the peace movement and struggles for economic, racial and environmental justice. Now co-director and frequent contributor Kevin Zeese will be coming to Illinois to speak at several events, including our Fall Conference in Urbana on October 26th. Zeese, a member of the Maryland Green Party, has been in the forefront of numerous struggles for peace and social justice, from the recent People?s Mobilization to Stop the US War Machine and Save the Planet outside the United Nations to his organizing of the Embassy Protection Collective in Washington. The Embassy Protection Collective is a group of peace activists who occupied the Venezuelan embassy in Washington with the permission of the sovereign government of Venezuela, after the Trump administration forced all diplomatic staff to leave the U.S. The Embassy Protection Collective successfully thwarted the Trump administration?s efforts to turn the embassy over to supporters of its puppet Juan Guaido, as part of its attempt to execute a coup in Venezuela. The above photo shows Kevin with Dr. Margaret Flowers during the protection action. Zeese is one of four Embassy Protectors now facing highly politicized federal criminal charges for his role in standing up for international law and the rights of nations to self-determination. Contributions to support the protectors? legal defense will be welcome at his appearances. (See defendembassyprotectors.org) Here is Kevin?s schedule while in Illinois: * Carbondale, Wednesday, October 23rd, 6:30 p.m.: ?Building the Peace Movement,? Carbondale Civic Center, 200 S. Illinois Ave. In this presentation, Zeese will expose the motives underlying our misbegotten foreign policy. He will be sharing his knowledge about U.S. interventions in Venezuela, Nicaragua, Ukraine, and the Middle East, in making the case that the peace movement needs to become an explicitly anti-imperialist movement. Co-sponsored by the Peace Coalition of Southern Illinois and the Shawnee Green Party. * Evanston, Thursday, October 24th, evening: Morton Civic Center, Lake Superior Room, Room #G300, 2100 Ridge Avenue. Further details forthcoming in next newsletter. * Chicago, Friday, October 25th, evening: Cary?s Lounge, 2251 W Devon Ave. (West Rogers Park.) Further details forthcoming in next newsletter. * Urbana, October 26th, 3 p.m.: Illinois Green Party Fall Conference, Illini Student Union Building, 1401 W Green St., Room 314B. Kevin will be participating in an afternoon panel on ?The Need For an Anti-Imperialist Peace Movement.? * Champaign, October 26th, 6 p.m.: Fall Conference Dinner, Kohinoor Indian Restaurant and Lounge, 6 E. Columbia Ave., Champaign. After-dinner talk on the Venezuela Embassy Protection Collective and the Embassy Protectors Defense Committee. Dinner is off the menu at about 6:30; talk at about 7:30. Joint fundraiser for the Illinois Green Party and the Defense Committee. Suggested door donation of $20 but open to all. [us hands off venezuela 1 26 2019 milwaukee] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon Oct 14 18:51:29 2019 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 18:51:29 +0000 Subject: [Peace] Norm Finkelstein in battle with Princetons school newspaper Message-ID: http://normanfinkelstein.com/2019/10/14/i-am-currently-in-a-battle-with-princetons-school-paper-the-daily-princetonian-which-grotesquely- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org Tue Oct 15 14:29:02 2019 From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 10:29:02 -0400 Subject: [Peace] =?utf-8?q?NPR=3A_=E2=80=9CUS_military_withdrawal_caused_?= =?utf-8?q?Turkish_invasion=E2=80=9D?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The alarm went off at 6 AM, and *Fair and Balanced* National Pentagon Radio ?informed? me that the cause of the Turkish invasion of northern Syria was that Trump withdrew U.S. troops from northern Syria [U.S. troops whose presence Congress never authorized, U.S. troops whose presence was therefore unconstitutional.] This is the story that pro-war, pro-Empire legacy US media are selling to the American people right now. See, we told you so. Withdraw the US military from anywhere, catastrophe will ensue. This is the Blob worldview. This is the neocon worldview. This is the Richard Haass-John Bolton-James Stavridis-Paul Wolfowitz-Nikki Haley-Samantha Power-Dennis Ross-Lindsey Graham-Eliot Engel worldview. The solution to every problem is more US military power. ?If all you have is a hammer, every problem is a nail.? Anyone who wants to withdraw US military power from anywhere is an uncaring, heartless, John Bircher isolationist. This is why these people hate Article I of the Constitution. This is why these people hate the War Powers Resolution. These people see the Constitution and the War Powers Resolution as annoying obstacles which might interfere with the hegemony of their worldview that the solution to every problem is more US military power. We few, we happy, happy few, know that the Blob-neocon-NPR story is a lie. Brett McGurk is no pacifist. Brett McGurk is no isolationist. Brett McGurk is no hippy-dippy flower child, no latte-sipping liberal surrender monkey, no latter-day Neville Chamberlain. Brett McGurk was Trump?s envoy to the coalition against ISIS. Brett McGurk believes in what he considers to be the appropriate use of US military power. Brett McGurk believes in international military alliances. In 2018, Brett McGurk, knowing that Trump wanted to get out of northern Syria ? as he had promised the American people he would do as a candidate - pushed for the Administration to help the US? Syrian Kurdish military partners negotiate a deal with the Syrian government and Russia. Exactly the thing that former Obama official Rob Malley, now [again] with the International Crisis Group, says the Trump Administration should have done, that?s exactly what Brett McGurk wanted to do. Brett McGurk behaved exactly the way an Administration official is supposed to behave in such a situation. The democratically elected US President sets the broad direction. Administration officials try to figure out how to implement the broad policy that the President has established in a way that maximizes benefit and minimizes harm. Why did Brett McGurk fail? Because he was sabotaged by John Bolton and the neocons, who didn?t want a deal, because the thing they cared about wasn?t protecting the Kurds. The thing that the neocons cared about was their geopolitical chess game with Russia and Iran. The question neocons ask themselves isn?t, ?What?s good for America?? The question neocons ask themselves is, ?What would do the most to hurt ?U.S. adversaries??? ? where, of course, the neocons get to unilaterally determine who the ?U.S. adversaries? are in the situation ? even if the neocons? proposed U.S. policies would also hurt America, more than real diplomacy with ?U.S. adversaries? [i.e. the neocons? adversaries] would. What is the moral of this story? ?Personnel is policy.? What did neocons Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz do when they saw Colin Powell as an obstacle inside the Bush Administration to their efforts to invade Iraq and overthrow its government? They created a ?cabal? inside the Bush Administration ? that?s what it was called, ?the cabal,? I?m not the one bringing the word ?cabal? to the conversation ? to push for war with Iraq, and excluded Colin Powell from it. They saw U.S. intelligence agencies as an obstacle to their desired war, so they created their own ?intelligence? apparatus inside the Pentagon. That was the genesis of the Valerie Plame?Joe Wilson?Scooter Libby scandal. Valerie Plame, a CIA employee who was an expert in WMD, tried to push back against Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz? cabal, that had determined that they wanted to invade Iraq by any means necessary, and was determined to ?fix the intelligence? to engineer the outcome that they wanted. In a way, Valerie Plame belongs in a higher circle of heaven than Joe Wilson. Joe Wilson was a whistleblower. Valerie Plame was just trying to do her job as a U.S. government employee, defending America from Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz? ?cabal.? What is the moral of this story? ?Personnel is policy.? If the POTUS wants to withdraw U.S. military power from anywhere, if the POTUS wants to pursue real diplomacy with Blob-defined, neocon-defined ?U.S. adversaries,? the POTUS needs to populate a Blob-free, neocon-free Administration. There is no ?half-pregnant? when it comes to populating your Administration with neocons and Blob loyalists. The right number of neocons in any Administration is zero. The right number of Blob loyalists in any Administration is zero. When Sheldon Adelson = Haim Saban comes and says, ?You need to hire this person, you need to hire John Bolton = Dennis Ross,? the POTUS needs to say, ?I take no delight in your feasts, to the melody of your harps I will not listen?? It makes no difference to this matter who we elect as President, as long as we don?t purge the neocons and the Blob loyalists. === Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue Oct 15 15:28:41 2019 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 15:28:41 +0000 Subject: [Peace] =?utf-8?q?NPR=3A_=E2=80=9CUS_military_withdrawal_caused_?= =?utf-8?q?Turkish_invasion=E2=80=9D?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good one Bob. NPR has hit a new low, probably due to their new CEO a corporate propagandist. On Oct 15, 2019, at 07:29, Robert Naiman via Peace > wrote: The alarm went off at 6 AM, and Fair and Balanced National Pentagon Radio ?informed? me that the cause of the Turkish invasion of northern Syria was that Trump withdrew U.S. troops from northern Syria [U.S. troops whose presence Congress never authorized, U.S. troops whose presence was therefore unconstitutional.] This is the story that pro-war, pro-Empire legacy US media are selling to the American people right now. See, we told you so. Withdraw the US military from anywhere, catastrophe will ensue. This is the Blob worldview. This is the neocon worldview. This is the Richard Haass-John Bolton-James Stavridis-Paul Wolfowitz-Nikki Haley-Samantha Power-Dennis Ross-Lindsey Graham-Eliot Engel worldview. The solution to every problem is more US military power. ?If all you have is a hammer, every problem is a nail.? Anyone who wants to withdraw US military power from anywhere is an uncaring, heartless, John Bircher isolationist. This is why these people hate Article I of the Constitution. This is why these people hate the War Powers Resolution. These people see the Constitution and the War Powers Resolution as annoying obstacles which might interfere with the hegemony of their worldview that the solution to every problem is more US military power. We few, we happy, happy few, know that the Blob-neocon-NPR story is a lie. Brett McGurk is no pacifist. Brett McGurk is no isolationist. Brett McGurk is no hippy-dippy flower child, no latte-sipping liberal surrender monkey, no latter-day Neville Chamberlain. Brett McGurk was Trump?s envoy to the coalition against ISIS. Brett McGurk believes in what he considers to be the appropriate use of US military power. Brett McGurk believes in international military alliances. In 2018, Brett McGurk, knowing that Trump wanted to get out of northern Syria ? as he had promised the American people he would do as a candidate - pushed for the Administration to help the US? Syrian Kurdish military partners negotiate a deal with the Syrian government and Russia. Exactly the thing that former Obama official Rob Malley, now [again] with the International Crisis Group, says the Trump Administration should have done, that?s exactly what Brett McGurk wanted to do. Brett McGurk behaved exactly the way an Administration official is supposed to behave in such a situation. The democratically elected US President sets the broad direction. Administration officials try to figure out how to implement the broad policy that the President has established in a way that maximizes benefit and minimizes harm. Why did Brett McGurk fail? Because he was sabotaged by John Bolton and the neocons, who didn?t want a deal, because the thing they cared about wasn?t protecting the Kurds. The thing that the neocons cared about was their geopolitical chess game with Russia and Iran. The question neocons ask themselves isn?t, ?What?s good for America?? The question neocons ask themselves is, ?What would do the most to hurt ?U.S. adversaries??? ? where, of course, the neocons get to unilaterally determine who the ?U.S. adversaries? are in the situation ? even if the neocons? proposed U.S. policies would also hurt America, more than real diplomacy with ?U.S. adversaries? [i.e. the neocons? adversaries] would. What is the moral of this story? ?Personnel is policy.? What did neocons Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz do when they saw Colin Powell as an obstacle inside the Bush Administration to their efforts to invade Iraq and overthrow its government? They created a ?cabal? inside the Bush Administration ? that?s what it was called, ?the cabal,? I?m not the one bringing the word ?cabal? to the conversation ? to push for war with Iraq, and excluded Colin Powell from it. They saw U.S. intelligence agencies as an obstacle to their desired war, so they created their own ?intelligence? apparatus inside the Pentagon. That was the genesis of the Valerie Plame?Joe Wilson?Scooter Libby scandal. Valerie Plame, a CIA employee who was an expert in WMD, tried to push back against Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz? cabal, that had determined that they wanted to invade Iraq by any means necessary, and was determined to ?fix the intelligence? to engineer the outcome that they wanted. In a way, Valerie Plame belongs in a higher circle of heaven than Joe Wilson. Joe Wilson was a whistleblower. Valerie Plame was just trying to do her job as a U.S. government employee, defending America from Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz? ?cabal.? What is the moral of this story? ?Personnel is policy.? If the POTUS wants to withdraw U.S. military power from anywhere, if the POTUS wants to pursue real diplomacy with Blob-defined, neocon-defined ?U.S. adversaries,? the POTUS needs to populate a Blob-free, neocon-free Administration. There is no ?half-pregnant? when it comes to populating your Administration with neocons and Blob loyalists. The right number of neocons in any Administration is zero. The right number of Blob loyalists in any Administration is zero. When Sheldon Adelson = Haim Saban comes and says, ?You need to hire this person, you need to hire John Bolton = Dennis Ross,? the POTUS needs to say, ?I take no delight in your feasts, to the melody of your harps I will not listen?? It makes no difference to this matter who we elect as President, as long as we don?t purge the neocons and the Blob loyalists. === Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org Wed Oct 16 13:25:49 2019 From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 09:25:49 -0400 Subject: [Peace] =?utf-8?q?What_I_learned_about_Syria_at_the_Democratic_?= =?utf-8?b?4oCcZGViYXRlc+KAnQ==?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I watched the Democratic ?debates? last night. I was bored out of my mind. I fell asleep on the couch. But when I woke, I realized that I had learned something potentially useful about U.S. foreign policy formation. Like what you learn when you read David Sanger or Helene Cooper in the New York Times, or when you read the Washington Post editorial page. What kind of sausages are they making in the Evil Factory today? Oh, that kind of sausages. My main interest in watching the ?debate? was to see what they would say about Syria. Surely it would be addressed. It was a golden opportunity for anyone who wanted to take down the Blob-neocon-Dem Establishment narrative about Syria in front of millions of Democrats. Insiders know that the Blob-neocon-Dem Establishment narrative about Syria is horse manure. The Blob-neocon-Dem Establishment narrative is that Trump screwed up by withdrawing U.S. forces from northern Syria, and that?s what caused the Turkish invasion. We?ve got an all-star bipartisan duo of Establishment validators proving that this story is a lie: Brett McGurk and Rob Malley. Brett McGurk was a Trump Administration official, Trump?s envoy to the coalition against ISIS. Rob Malley was in the Obama Administration, and is now back at the International Crisis Group. Rob Malley says it was inevitable that the Syrian government was coming back and the thing that the Trump Administration did wrong was not preparing the U.S. withdrawal by helping its Syrian Kurdish military partners get a deal with the Russian and Syrian governments to protect them from a Turkish invasion. Brett McGurk says that?s exactly what he pushed for as a Trump Administration official, but he was blocked by John Bolton and the neocons. So there?s a spectacular story here of yet another catastrophic Blob-neocon failure, and it might be helpful for more Americans, especially Democrats, to know about this to help inoculate them from listening to the Blob-neocons in the future when the Blob-neocons clamor for more war. But nobody talked about this at the ?debate.? In fact, all but one of the ?Dems? who spoke parroted the Schumer-Pelosi-Blob-neocon line. The exception was Tulsi Gabbard. Here?s what Tulsi Gabbard said: ?End these regime change wars.? It?s not immediately obvious why the Democratic Establishment wing of the Blob hates Tulsi Gabbard so much, given that she is polling at 2% and is not on track to stay in the debates and is not included in the main conversation in the media. Why does the Democratic Establishment wing of the Blob see Tulsi Gabbard as such a threat? Why do they keep attacking her? Why don?t they just ignore her? Ronald Reagan used to tell this joke about the Soviet Union. An American guy and a Soviet guy are trash-talking each other. The American guy says, ?You know what?s really great about America? I can stand in front of the White House and say, ?Ronald Reagan is a jerk,? and nobody will arrest me!? The Soviet guy says, ?Oh yeah? Big deal! I can stand in front of the Kremlin and say, ?Ronald Reagan is a jerk,? and nobody will arrest me either!? You know you?re not living in a police state if you can stand in front of the official residence of the Leader and say the Leader is a jerk and not get arrested. You may not be living in a vibrant democracy, but at least you?re not living in a police state. When it comes to ending regime change wars, the Democratic Party as we know it is kind of a police state. Any Democrat who calls for ending regime change wars is ejected from the stadium, voted off the island. Why is that? Regime change wars are the raison d?etre of the Blob-neocons. For the Blob-neocons, the whole objective of the game is to capture the U.S. government and then use U.S. power to overthrow foreign governments and install regimes friendly to the interests of the people who are engineering the overthrow. This is called ?U.S. interests,? but it has nothing to do with the interests of the majority of Americans. It has nothing to do with the interests of people in Peoria. It?s all about the interests of the Blob-neocons. This is a key objective of the game, to try to get people to go along with the claim that the interests of the Blob-neocons are identical with the interests of the majority of Americans, when all experience has shown that they are not. So when the Blob-neocons hear a Democrat say, ?End these regime change wars,? the Blob-neocons hear that as an existential threat. That?s about as welcome to them as an enthusiastic new Sheriff is to a band out of outlaws, about as welcome as an enthusiastic new fire department chief is to a gang of arsonists, about as welcome as Medicare for All is to private health insurers, about as welcome as postal banking is to payday lenders, about as welcome as tuition-free public college is to private universities. The thing about marginal ideas in America is, because it?s not a police state, ideas that are marginal now might not be marginal in the future. Word might get around. I think that this explains why the Blob-neocons are so apoplectic about Tulsi Gabbard, out of all proportion to her current impact, or any impact that she threatens to have in the future we can see. They?re afraid that the ?end these regime change wars? idea might be contagious. I?m old enough to remember when Medicare for All was a marginal idea. We called it ?single payer? then. Here?s how marginal the idea was: it was associated with Dennis Kucinich. Establishment Democrats would roll their eyes. ?Oh, that?s that Dennis Kucinich idea.? So maybe that could happen with ?end these regime change wars.? Regardless of what happens with the candidacy of Tulsi Gabbard, we learned something useful from the debate. We learned that ?end these regime change wars? is Kryptonite for the Blob-neocons, garlic for the vampires. You can?t kill an idea. Not as long as we don?t live in a police state. ?End these regime change wars.? Put it on the ground, spread it all around. ?End these regime change wars.? Let?s send it up the flagpole and see who salutes. === Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Oct 16 14:27:57 2019 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:27:57 +0000 Subject: [Peace] =?utf-8?q?What_I_learned_about_Syria_at_the_Democratic_?= =?utf-8?b?4oCcZGViYXRlc+KAnQ==?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sounds good Bob, but this ?we don?t live in a police state,? tends to apply only to white people, and for some of us who have been attempting to get the word out for a long time, it becomes frightening how little people care. I?m not a Tulsi Gabbard supporter, even if elected she works for the DNC given they have the power to control her actions, along with the Pentagon, State Dept., CIA, Council on Foreign Relations, Advisors etc. However, she is getting the word out, and its appalling that she is only polling at 2%. It could be that those who do know, and understand, aren?t interested in the one Party Democrat/Republican for profit system, no matter what a candidate has to say. It could be that the majority of people who watch the debates and think that they are serious politics, are just too blinded and manipulated by the media, to figure it out, and will support the most popular candidate be it Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, or Elizabeth Warren. It could be that no matter who the people vote for, assuming we are a democracy, will still get the preferred candidate the delegates choose, since we still have this antiquated, racist system known as the electoral college. I say this because I see very smart people on FB under the impression that its all about getting rid of Trump because he is somehow the problem. Pence is hardly a solution, and another Democrat in the WH will be another corporate owned puppet, different only on the surface, than that of Trump. On Oct 16, 2019, at 06:25, Robert Naiman via Peace > wrote: I watched the Democratic ?debates? last night. I was bored out of my mind. I fell asleep on the couch. But when I woke, I realized that I had learned something potentially useful about U.S. foreign policy formation. Like what you learn when you read David Sanger or Helene Cooper in the New York Times, or when you read the Washington Post editorial page. What kind of sausages are they making in the Evil Factory today? Oh, that kind of sausages. My main interest in watching the ?debate? was to see what they would say about Syria. Surely it would be addressed. It was a golden opportunity for anyone who wanted to take down the Blob-neocon-Dem Establishment narrative about Syria in front of millions of Democrats. Insiders know that the Blob-neocon-Dem Establishment narrative about Syria is horse manure. The Blob-neocon-Dem Establishment narrative is that Trump screwed up by withdrawing U.S. forces from northern Syria, and that?s what caused the Turkish invasion. We?ve got an all-star bipartisan duo of Establishment validators proving that this story is a lie: Brett McGurk and Rob Malley. Brett McGurk was a Trump Administration official, Trump?s envoy to the coalition against ISIS. Rob Malley was in the Obama Administration, and is now back at the International Crisis Group. Rob Malley says it was inevitable that the Syrian government was coming back and the thing that the Trump Administration did wrong was not preparing the U.S. withdrawal by helping its Syrian Kurdish military partners get a deal with the Russian and Syrian governments to protect them from a Turkish invasion. Brett McGurk says that?s exactly what he pushed for as a Trump Administration official, but he was blocked by John Bolton and the neocons. So there?s a spectacular story here of yet another catastrophic Blob-neocon failure, and it might be helpful for more Americans, especially Democrats, to know about this to help inoculate them from listening to the Blob-neocons in the future when the Blob-neocons clamor for more war. But nobody talked about this at the ?debate.? In fact, all but one of the ?Dems? who spoke parroted the Schumer-Pelosi-Blob-neocon line. The exception was Tulsi Gabbard. Here?s what Tulsi Gabbard said: ?End these regime change wars.? It?s not immediately obvious why the Democratic Establishment wing of the Blob hates Tulsi Gabbard so much, given that she is polling at 2% and is not on track to stay in the debates and is not included in the main conversation in the media. Why does the Democratic Establishment wing of the Blob see Tulsi Gabbard as such a threat? Why do they keep attacking her? Why don?t they just ignore her? Ronald Reagan used to tell this joke about the Soviet Union. An American guy and a Soviet guy are trash-talking each other. The American guy says, ?You know what?s really great about America? I can stand in front of the White House and say, ?Ronald Reagan is a jerk,? and nobody will arrest me!? The Soviet guy says, ?Oh yeah? Big deal! I can stand in front of the Kremlin and say, ?Ronald Reagan is a jerk,? and nobody will arrest me either!? You know you?re not living in a police state if you can stand in front of the official residence of the Leader and say the Leader is a jerk and not get arrested. You may not be living in a vibrant democracy, but at least you?re not living in a police state. When it comes to ending regime change wars, the Democratic Party as we know it is kind of a police state. Any Democrat who calls for ending regime change wars is ejected from the stadium, voted off the island. Why is that? Regime change wars are the raison d?etre of the Blob-neocons. For the Blob-neocons, the whole objective of the game is to capture the U.S. government and then use U.S. power to overthrow foreign governments and install regimes friendly to the interests of the people who are engineering the overthrow. This is called ?U.S. interests,? but it has nothing to do with the interests of the majority of Americans. It has nothing to do with the interests of people in Peoria. It?s all about the interests of the Blob-neocons. This is a key objective of the game, to try to get people to go along with the claim that the interests of the Blob-neocons are identical with the interests of the majority of Americans, when all experience has shown that they are not. So when the Blob-neocons hear a Democrat say, ?End these regime change wars,? the Blob-neocons hear that as an existential threat. That?s about as welcome to them as an enthusiastic new Sheriff is to a band out of outlaws, about as welcome as an enthusiastic new fire department chief is to a gang of arsonists, about as welcome as Medicare for All is to private health insurers, about as welcome as postal banking is to payday lenders, about as welcome as tuition-free public college is to private universities. The thing about marginal ideas in America is, because it?s not a police state, ideas that are marginal now might not be marginal in the future. Word might get around. I think that this explains why the Blob-neocons are so apoplectic about Tulsi Gabbard, out of all proportion to her current impact, or any impact that she threatens to have in the future we can see. They?re afraid that the ?end these regime change wars? idea might be contagious. I?m old enough to remember when Medicare for All was a marginal idea. We called it ?single payer? then. Here?s how marginal the idea was: it was associated with Dennis Kucinich. Establishment Democrats would roll their eyes. ?Oh, that?s that Dennis Kucinich idea.? So maybe that could happen with ?end these regime change wars.? Regardless of what happens with the candidacy of Tulsi Gabbard, we learned something useful from the debate. We learned that ?end these regime change wars? is Kryptonite for the Blob-neocons, garlic for the vampires. You can?t kill an idea. Not as long as we don?t live in a police state. ?End these regime change wars.? Put it on the ground, spread it all around. ?End these regime change wars.? Let?s send it up the flagpole and see who salutes. === Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidgreen50 at gmail.com Wed Oct 16 15:46:23 2019 From: davidgreen50 at gmail.com (David Green) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 10:46:23 -0500 Subject: [Peace] =?utf-8?q?What_I_learned_about_Syria_at_the_Democratic_?= =?utf-8?b?4oCcZGViYXRlc+KAnQ==?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just from glancing at the NYT this morning, it's pretty clear that the plan for Elizabeth Warren to win the nomination is going along swimmingly. Which is to say, welcome to 4 more years of Trump. On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 9:28 AM Karen Aram via Peace < peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > Sounds good Bob, but this ?we don?t live in a police state,? tends to > apply only to white people, and for some of us who have been attempting to > get the word out for a long time, it becomes frightening how little people > care. > > I?m not a Tulsi Gabbard supporter, even if elected she works for the DNC > given they have the power to control her actions, along with the Pentagon, > State Dept., CIA, Council on Foreign Relations, Advisors etc. However, she > is getting the word out, and its appalling that she is only polling at 2%. > > It could be that those who do know, and understand, aren?t interested in > the one Party Democrat/Republican for profit system, no matter what a > candidate has to say. It could be that the majority of people who watch the > debates and think that they are serious politics, are just too blinded and > manipulated by the media, to figure it out, and will support the most > popular candidate be it Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, or Elizabeth Warren. It > could be that no matter who the people vote for, assuming we are a > democracy, will still get the preferred candidate the delegates choose, > since we still have this antiquated, racist system known as the electoral > college. > > I say this because I see very smart people on FB under the impression that > its all about getting rid of Trump because he is somehow the problem. Pence > is hardly a solution, and another Democrat in the WH will be another > corporate owned puppet, different only on the surface, than that of Trump. > > > On Oct 16, 2019, at 06:25, Robert Naiman via Peace < > peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > > > I watched the Democratic ?debates? last night. I was bored out of my mind. > I fell asleep on the couch. > > But when I woke, I realized that I had learned something potentially > useful about U.S. foreign policy formation. Like what you learn when you > read David Sanger or Helene Cooper in the New York Times, or when you read > the Washington Post editorial page. What kind of sausages are they making > in the Evil Factory today? Oh, that kind of sausages. > > My main interest in watching the ?debate? was to see what they would say > about Syria. Surely it would be addressed. It was a golden opportunity for > anyone who wanted to take down the Blob-neocon-Dem Establishment narrative > about Syria in front of millions of Democrats. Insiders know that the > Blob-neocon-Dem Establishment narrative about Syria is horse manure. The > Blob-neocon-Dem Establishment narrative is that Trump screwed up by > withdrawing U.S. forces from northern Syria, and that?s what caused the > Turkish invasion. We?ve got an all-star bipartisan duo of Establishment > validators proving that this story is a lie: Brett McGurk and Rob Malley. > Brett McGurk was a Trump Administration official, Trump?s envoy to the > coalition against ISIS. Rob Malley was in the Obama Administration, and is > now back at the International Crisis Group. Rob Malley says it was > inevitable that the Syrian government was coming back and the thing that > the Trump Administration did wrong was not preparing the U.S. withdrawal by > helping its Syrian Kurdish military partners get a deal with the Russian > and Syrian governments to protect them from a Turkish invasion. Brett > McGurk says that?s exactly what he pushed for as a Trump Administration > official, but he was blocked by John Bolton and the neocons. So there?s a > spectacular story here of yet another catastrophic Blob-neocon failure, and > it might be helpful for more Americans, especially Democrats, to know about > this to help inoculate them from listening to the Blob-neocons in the > future when the Blob-neocons clamor for more war. > > But nobody talked about this at the ?debate.? In fact, all but one of the > ?Dems? who spoke parroted the Schumer-Pelosi-Blob-neocon line. > > The exception was Tulsi Gabbard. Here?s what Tulsi Gabbard said: > > ?End these regime change wars.? > > It?s not immediately obvious why the Democratic Establishment wing of the > Blob hates Tulsi Gabbard so much, given that she is polling at 2% and is > not on track to stay in the debates and is not included in the main > conversation in the media. Why does the Democratic Establishment wing of > the Blob see Tulsi Gabbard as such a threat? Why do they keep attacking > her? Why don?t they just ignore her? > > Ronald Reagan used to tell this joke about the Soviet Union. An American > guy and a Soviet guy are trash-talking each other. The American guy says, > ?You know what?s really great about America? I can stand in front of the > White House and say, ?Ronald Reagan is a jerk,? and nobody will arrest me!? > The Soviet guy says, ?Oh yeah? Big deal! I can stand in front of the > Kremlin and say, ?Ronald Reagan is a jerk,? and nobody will arrest me > either!? > > You know you?re not living in a police state if you can stand in front of > the official residence of the Leader and say the Leader is a jerk and not > get arrested. You may not be living in a vibrant democracy, but at least > you?re not living in a police state. > > When it comes to ending regime change wars, the Democratic Party as we > know it is kind of a police state. Any Democrat who calls for ending regime > change wars is ejected from the stadium, voted off the island. > > Why is that? > > Regime change wars are the raison d?etre of the Blob-neocons. For the > Blob-neocons, the whole objective of the game is to capture the U.S. > government and then use U.S. power to overthrow foreign governments and > install regimes friendly to the interests of the people who are engineering > the overthrow. This is called ?U.S. interests,? but it has nothing to do > with the interests of the majority of Americans. It has nothing to do with > the interests of people in Peoria. It?s all about the interests of the > Blob-neocons. This is a key objective of the game, to try to get people to > go along with the claim that the interests of the Blob-neocons are > identical with the interests of the majority of Americans, when all > experience has shown that they are not. > > So when the Blob-neocons hear a Democrat say, ?End these regime change > wars,? the Blob-neocons hear that as an existential threat. That?s about as > welcome to them as an enthusiastic new Sheriff is to a band out of outlaws, > about as welcome as an enthusiastic new fire department chief is to a gang > of arsonists, about as welcome as Medicare for All is to private health > insurers, about as welcome as postal banking is to payday lenders, about as > welcome as tuition-free public college is to private universities. > > The thing about marginal ideas in America is, because it?s not a police > state, ideas that are marginal now might not be marginal in the future. > Word might get around. I think that this explains why the Blob-neocons are > so apoplectic about Tulsi Gabbard, out of all proportion to her current > impact, or any impact that she threatens to have in the future we can see. > They?re afraid that the ?end these regime change wars? idea might be > contagious. > > I?m old enough to remember when Medicare for All was a marginal idea. We > called it ?single payer? then. Here?s how marginal the idea was: it was > associated with Dennis Kucinich. Establishment Democrats would roll their > eyes. ?Oh, that?s that Dennis Kucinich idea.? > > So maybe that could happen with ?end these regime change wars.? Regardless > of what happens with the candidacy of Tulsi Gabbard, we learned something > useful from the debate. We learned that ?end these regime change wars? is > Kryptonite for the Blob-neocons, garlic for the vampires. You can?t kill an > idea. Not as long as we don?t live in a police state. ?End these regime > change wars.? Put it on the ground, spread it all around. ?End these regime > change wars.? Let?s send it up the flagpole and see who salutes. > > === > > Robert Naiman > Policy Director > Just Foreign Policy > www.justforeignpolicy.org > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org > (202) 448-2898 x1 > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at newsfromneptune.com Wed Oct 16 16:51:09 2019 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:51:09 -0500 Subject: [Peace] =?utf-8?q?What_I_learned_about_Syria_at_the_Democratic_?= =?utf-8?b?4oCcZGViYXRlc+KAnQ==?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1D60AC96-DCFF-44EC-ABD3-2EFB3C88BA3C@newsfromneptune.com> I think Bob?s correct here, but he perhaps doesn?t go far enough. US foreign policy has long been based (some would say, back to the Open Door Policy and before) on preventing what Zbigniew Brzezinski called ?peer competitors? (notably Russia and China) arising in Eurasia, for fear that would inhibit the US one-percent?s world-wide economic dominance, established after WWII. That policy became dominant after the victory of the Chinese revolution 70 years ago, and led the US to initiate wars in Korea, Vietnam, the Middle East and elsewhere. Since WWII the US has killed more than 20 million people in wars designed to retard the economic integration of Eurasia under ?peer competitors.? The Obama administration, with its eight wars and war provocations against Russia and China (Obama was the only president in US history to be at war throughout two terms) was a model of a modern American hegemon, approved by the 1%. The opposition to Trump by the US political establishment was based on the fear that Trump wouldn?t abide by this pattern. (He said he wouldn?t, in the 2016 campaign, while Clinton promised she would.) Trump, perhaps the weakest US president since Coolidge, has been largely tamed to standard US foreign policy, but when he does show signs of independence - however ham-fisted - the US political establishment (Bob?s ?Blob-neocon-Dems?) cries up impeachment, removal, and even a coup to prevent any departure from traditional US belligerence to assert 1% control. Again, I think Bob is right about why Gabbard, for all her failings, is hated so much by that establishment. It?s her opposition to the warmongering of the US government (?regime-change wars?). ?Regime change wars are the raison d?etre of the Blob-neocons. For the Blob-neocons, the whole objective of the game is to capture the U.S. government and then use U.S. power to overthrow foreign governments and install regimes friendly to the interests of the people who are engineering the overthrow. This is called ?U.S. interests,? but it has nothing to do with the interests of the majority of Americans. It has nothing to do with the interests of people in Peoria. It?s all about the interests of the Blob-neocons. This is a key objective of the game, to try to get people to go along with the claim that the interests of the Blob-neocons are identical with the interests of the majority of Americans, when all experience has shown that they are not.? Exactly. ?So when the Blob-neocons hear a Democrat say, ?End these regime change wars,? the Blob-neocons hear that as an existential threat. That?s about as welcome to them as an enthusiastic new Sheriff is to a band out of outlaws, about as welcome as an enthusiastic new fire department chief is to a gang of arsonists, about as welcome as Medicare for All is to private health insurers, about as welcome as postal banking is to payday lenders, about as welcome as tuition-free public college is to private universities. ?The thing about marginal ideas in America is, because it?s not a police state, ideas that are marginal now might not be marginal in the future. Word might get around. I think that this explains why the Blob-neocons are so apoplectic about Tulsi Gabbard, out of all proportion to her current impact, or any impact that she threatens to have in the future we can see. They?re afraid that the ?end these regime change wars? idea might be contagious. ??Regardless of what happens with the candidacy of Tulsi Gabbard, we learned something useful from the debate. We learned that ?end these regime change wars? is Kryptonite for the Blob-neocons, garlic for the vampires. You can?t kill an idea. Not as long as we don?t live in a police state. ?End these regime change wars.? Put it on the ground, spread it all around. ?End these regime change wars??? ================================= [Bob Naiman] ?My main interest in watching the ?debate? was to see what they would say about Syria. Surely it would be addressed. It was a golden opportunity for anyone who wanted to take down the Blob-neocon-Dem Establishment narrative about Syria in front of millions of Democrats. Insiders know that the Blob-neocon-Dem Establishment narrative about Syria is horse manure. The Blob-neocon-Dem Establishment narrative is that Trump screwed up by withdrawing U.S. forces from northern Syria, and that?s what caused the Turkish invasion. We?ve got an all-star bipartisan duo of Establishment validators proving that this story is a lie: Brett McGurk and Rob Malley. Brett McGurk was a Trump Administration official, Trump?s envoy to the coalition against ISIS. Rob Malley was in the Obama Administration, and is now back at the International Crisis Group. Rob Malley says it was inevitable that the Syrian government was coming back and the thing that the Trump Administration did wrong was not preparing the U.S. withdrawal by helping its Syrian Kurdish military partners get a deal with the Russian and Syrian governments to protect them from a Turkish invasion. Brett McGurk says that?s exactly what he pushed for as a Trump Administration official, but he was blocked by John Bolton and the neocons. So there?s a spectacular story here of yet another catastrophic Blob-neocon failure, and it might be helpful for more Americans, especially Democrats, to know about this to help inoculate them from listening to the Blob-neocons in the future when the Blob-neocons clamor for more war. But nobody talked about this at the ?debate.? In fact, all but one of the ?Dems? who spoke parroted the Schumer-Pelosi-Blob-neocon line. The exception was Tulsi Gabbard. Here?s what Tulsi Gabbard said: ?End these regime change wars.? It?s not immediately obvious why the Democratic Establishment wing of the Blob hates Tulsi Gabbard so much, given that she is polling at 2% and is not on track to stay in the debates and is not included in the main conversation in the media. Why does the Democratic Establishment wing of the Blob see Tulsi Gabbard as such a threat? Why do they keep attacking her? Why don?t they just ignore her? ...When it comes to ending regime change wars, the Democratic Party as we know it is kind of a police state. Any Democrat who calls for ending regime change wars is ejected from the stadium, voted off the island. Why is that? Regime change wars are the raison d?etre of the Blob-neocons. For the Blob-neocons, the whole objective of the game is to capture the U.S. government and then use U.S. power to overthrow foreign governments and install regimes friendly to the interests of the people who are engineering the overthrow. This is called ?U.S. interests,? but it has nothing to do with the interests of the majority of Americans. It has nothing to do with the interests of people in Peoria. It?s all about the interests of the Blob-neocons. This is a key objective of the game, to try to get people to go along with the claim that the interests of the Blob-neocons are identical with the interests of the majority of Americans, when all experience has shown that they are not. So when the Blob-neocons hear a Democrat say, ?End these regime change wars,? the Blob-neocons hear that as an existential threat? > On Oct 16, 2019, at 10:46 AM, David Green via Peace wrote: > > Just from glancing at the NYT this morning, it's pretty clear that the plan for Elizabeth Warren to win the nomination is going along swimmingly. > > Which is to say, welcome to 4 more years of Trump. > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 9:28 AM Karen Aram via Peace wrote: > Sounds good Bob, but this ?we don?t live in a police state,? tends to apply only to white people, and for some of us who have been attempting to get the word out for a long time, it becomes frightening how little people care. > > I?m not a Tulsi Gabbard supporter, even if elected she works for the DNC given they have the power to control her actions, along with the Pentagon, State Dept., CIA, Council on Foreign Relations, Advisors etc. However, she is getting the word out, and its appalling that she is only polling at 2%. > > It could be that those who do know, and understand, aren?t interested in the one Party Democrat/Republican for profit system, no matter what a candidate has to say. It could be that the majority of people who watch the debates and think that they are serious politics, are just too blinded and manipulated by the media, to figure it out, and will support the most popular candidate be it Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, or Elizabeth Warren. It could be that no matter who the people vote for, assuming we are a democracy, will still get the preferred candidate the delegates choose, since we still have this antiquated, racist system known as the electoral college. > > I say this because I see very smart people on FB under the impression that its all about getting rid of Trump because he is somehow the problem. Pence is hardly a solution, and another Democrat in the WH will be another corporate owned puppet, different only on the surface, than that of Trump. > > >> On Oct 16, 2019, at 06:25, Robert Naiman via Peace wrote: >> >> >> I watched the Democratic ?debates? last night. I was bored out of my mind. I fell asleep on the couch. >> >> But when I woke, I realized that I had learned something potentially useful about U.S. foreign policy formation. Like what you learn when you read David Sanger or Helene Cooper in the New York Times, or when you read the Washington Post editorial page. What kind of sausages are they making in the Evil Factory today? Oh, that kind of sausages. >> >> My main interest in watching the ?debate? was to see what they would say about Syria. Surely it would be addressed. It was a golden opportunity for anyone who wanted to take down the Blob-neocon-Dem Establishment narrative about Syria in front of millions of Democrats. Insiders know that the Blob-neocon-Dem Establishment narrative about Syria is horse manure. The Blob-neocon-Dem Establishment narrative is that Trump screwed up by withdrawing U.S. forces from northern Syria, and that?s what caused the Turkish invasion. We?ve got an all-star bipartisan duo of Establishment validators proving that this story is a lie: Brett McGurk and Rob Malley. Brett McGurk was a Trump Administration official, Trump?s envoy to the coalition against ISIS. Rob Malley was in the Obama Administration, and is now back at the International Crisis Group. Rob Malley says it was inevitable that the Syrian government was coming back and the thing that the Trump Administration did wrong was not preparing the U.S. withdrawal by helping its Syrian Kurdish military partners get a deal with the Russian and Syrian governments to protect them from a Turkish invasion. Brett McGurk says that?s exactly what he pushed for as a Trump Administration official, but he was blocked by John Bolton and the neocons. So there?s a spectacular story here of yet another catastrophic Blob-neocon failure, and it might be helpful for more Americans, especially Democrats, to know about this to help inoculate them from listening to the Blob-neocons in the future when the Blob-neocons clamor for more war. >> >> But nobody talked about this at the ?debate.? In fact, all but one of the ?Dems? who spoke parroted the Schumer-Pelosi-Blob-neocon line. >> >> The exception was Tulsi Gabbard. Here?s what Tulsi Gabbard said: >> >> ?End these regime change wars.? >> >> It?s not immediately obvious why the Democratic Establishment wing of the Blob hates Tulsi Gabbard so much, given that she is polling at 2% and is not on track to stay in the debates and is not included in the main conversation in the media. Why does the Democratic Establishment wing of the Blob see Tulsi Gabbard as such a threat? Why do they keep attacking her? Why don?t they just ignore her? >> >> Ronald Reagan used to tell this joke about the Soviet Union. An American guy and a Soviet guy are trash-talking each other. The American guy says, ?You know what?s really great about America? I can stand in front of the White House and say, ?Ronald Reagan is a jerk,? and nobody will arrest me!? The Soviet guy says, ?Oh yeah? Big deal! I can stand in front of the Kremlin and say, ?Ronald Reagan is a jerk,? and nobody will arrest me either!? >> >> You know you?re not living in a police state if you can stand in front of the official residence of the Leader and say the Leader is a jerk and not get arrested. You may not be living in a vibrant democracy, but at least you?re not living in a police state. >> >> When it comes to ending regime change wars, the Democratic Party as we know it is kind of a police state. Any Democrat who calls for ending regime change wars is ejected from the stadium, voted off the island. >> >> Why is that? >> >> Regime change wars are the raison d?etre of the Blob-neocons. For the Blob-neocons, the whole objective of the game is to capture the U.S. government and then use U.S. power to overthrow foreign governments and install regimes friendly to the interests of the people who are engineering the overthrow. This is called ?U.S. interests,? but it has nothing to do with the interests of the majority of Americans. It has nothing to do with the interests of people in Peoria. It?s all about the interests of the Blob-neocons. This is a key objective of the game, to try to get people to go along with the claim that the interests of the Blob-neocons are identical with the interests of the majority of Americans, when all experience has shown that they are not. >> >> So when the Blob-neocons hear a Democrat say, ?End these regime change wars,? the Blob-neocons hear that as an existential threat. That?s about as welcome to them as an enthusiastic new Sheriff is to a band out of outlaws, about as welcome as an enthusiastic new fire department chief is to a gang of arsonists, about as welcome as Medicare for All is to private health insurers, about as welcome as postal banking is to payday lenders, about as welcome as tuition-free public college is to private universities. >> >> The thing about marginal ideas in America is, because it?s not a police state, ideas that are marginal now might not be marginal in the future. Word might get around. I think that this explains why the Blob-neocons are so apoplectic about Tulsi Gabbard, out of all proportion to her current impact, or any impact that she threatens to have in the future we can see. They?re afraid that the ?end these regime change wars? idea might be contagious. >> >> I?m old enough to remember when Medicare for All was a marginal idea. We called it ?single payer? then. Here?s how marginal the idea was: it was associated with Dennis Kucinich. Establishment Democrats would roll their eyes. ?Oh, that?s that Dennis Kucinich idea.? >> >> So maybe that could happen with ?end these regime change wars.? Regardless of what happens with the candidacy of Tulsi Gabbard, we learned something useful from the debate. We learned that ?end these regime change wars? is Kryptonite for the Blob-neocons, garlic for the vampires. You can?t kill an idea. Not as long as we don?t live in a police state. ?End these regime change wars.? Put it on the ground, spread it all around. ?End these regime change wars.? Let?s send it up the flagpole and see who salutes. >> >> === >> >> Robert Naiman >> Policy Director >> Just Foreign Policy >> www.justforeignpolicy.org >> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org >> (202) 448-2898 x1 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Oct 16 22:08:43 2019 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 22:08:43 +0000 Subject: [Peace] Fwd: PSL VP Candidate Leonard Peltier and whole Elder unit is on unjust lockdown: Write to the warden now! References: <5da7861b77f5f_7c1410eaf5031718@asgworker-qmb3-14.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> Message-ID: [Party for Socialism and Liberation] Home About Join Us Support Sign up PSL VP Candidate Leonard Peltier and whole Elder unit is on unjust lockdown: Write to the warden now! [https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/psl/mailings/4031/attachments/original/leonard-peltier.jpg?1571254896] PSL Vice Presidential Candidate Leonard Peltier has dedicated his life and sacrificed enormously to the fight for a world free of exploitation and racism, where all people can determine their own destiny and have the social rights they need to live in dignity. The La Riva/Peltier campaign is an extension of this struggle. To learn more about the campaign visit larivapeltier2020.org The following appeal was circulated by Paulette Dauteuil, Director of the International Leonard Peltier Defense Committee. The Party for Socialism and Liberation urges its supporters to write the warden to demand an end to this brutal lockdown. ______________________ I received a legal mail letter from Leonard yesterday. It is hard on his health to have no exercise and the lighting is so weak that reading and writing are hard on his eyes. He also said it looks like the lockdown won?t be lifted until sometime in Dec. This lockdown is so intense that even his Elder unit is confined to their cell 24/7 and allowed a half-hour to shower every 3 days. He would like you to write to the warden of Coleman 1 and ask why Leonard & the Elder unit is under such a strict lockdown? You would send your letters to: Warden Cheatham U.S. PENITENTIARY Coleman 1 P.O. BOX 1023 COLEMAN,?FL??33521 Remember: white paper only and white envelopes only. No stickers on the white envelope Questions? Comments? Contact us. You can also keep up with the PSL on Twitter or Facebook. This email was sent to karenaram at hotmail.com. To stop receiving emails, click here. Created with NationBuilder, the essential toolkit for leaders. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Oct 16 22:08:43 2019 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 22:08:43 +0000 Subject: [Peace] Fwd: PSL VP Candidate Leonard Peltier and whole Elder unit is on unjust lockdown: Write to the warden now! References: <5da7861b77f5f_7c1410eaf5031718@asgworker-qmb3-14.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> Message-ID: [Party for Socialism and Liberation] Home About Join Us Support Sign up PSL VP Candidate Leonard Peltier and whole Elder unit is on unjust lockdown: Write to the warden now! [https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/psl/mailings/4031/attachments/original/leonard-peltier.jpg?1571254896] PSL Vice Presidential Candidate Leonard Peltier has dedicated his life and sacrificed enormously to the fight for a world free of exploitation and racism, where all people can determine their own destiny and have the social rights they need to live in dignity. The La Riva/Peltier campaign is an extension of this struggle. To learn more about the campaign visit larivapeltier2020.org The following appeal was circulated by Paulette Dauteuil, Director of the International Leonard Peltier Defense Committee. The Party for Socialism and Liberation urges its supporters to write the warden to demand an end to this brutal lockdown. ______________________ I received a legal mail letter from Leonard yesterday. It is hard on his health to have no exercise and the lighting is so weak that reading and writing are hard on his eyes. He also said it looks like the lockdown won?t be lifted until sometime in Dec. This lockdown is so intense that even his Elder unit is confined to their cell 24/7 and allowed a half-hour to shower every 3 days. He would like you to write to the warden of Coleman 1 and ask why Leonard & the Elder unit is under such a strict lockdown? You would send your letters to: Warden Cheatham U.S. PENITENTIARY Coleman 1 P.O. BOX 1023 COLEMAN,?FL??33521 Remember: white paper only and white envelopes only. No stickers on the white envelope Questions? Comments? Contact us. You can also keep up with the PSL on Twitter or Facebook. This email was sent to karenaram at hotmail.com. To stop receiving emails, click here. Created with NationBuilder, the essential toolkit for leaders. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu Oct 17 12:25:15 2019 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 12:25:15 +0000 Subject: [Peace] Fwd: [recovery_human_face] Austerity, the "new normal." References: <000001d584da$786660d0$69332270$@ymail.com> Message-ID: Reply-To: recoveryhumanface at socpro.list.ilo.org, "Isabel Ortiz" > Dear friends, We have launched a new update on austerity at the IMF: ?Austerity, The New Normal: A Renewed Washington Consensus 2010-24? http://policydialogue.org/files/publications/papers/Austerity-the-New-Normal-Ortiz-Cummins-6-Oct-2019.pdf The report, published by IPD, ITUC, PSI, EURODAD and the Breton Woods Project: (i) examines historical and projected government expenditure trends for 189 countries; (ii) reviews the latest IMF country reports for countries to identify the main channels used by governments to adjust expenditures; (iii) discusses the negative social impacts of austerity measures; (iv) presents the renewed Washington Consensus advised to governments that are left with limited budgets?and the alternative UN Consensus on Development for All; and (v) calls for urgent action by governments to identify fiscal space to accelerate development, human rights, a green recovery with jobs and inclusive growth, and progress towards the Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs). While this week Ministers of Finance and economists meet in Washington to confront global economic challenges at the IMF and World Bank Annual Meetings, the majority of the world population lives with austerity cuts and see their living standards deteriorating. World leaders must reverse this trend. Summary: ? Since 2010, governments have been cutting public expenditure. According to IMF fiscal projections, a new shock is to start in 2020-21, affecting 130 countries. Rather than investing in a robust recovery to bring prosperity to citizens, austerity has become the ?new normal.? ? As many as 69 countries will be undergoing excessive contraction, cutting expenditure below pre-crisis levels in terms of GDP, including countries with dire development and human needs such as Angola, Burundi, Congo, Djibouti, Egypt, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Iraq, Jamaica, Jordan, Nigeria or Yemen. ? Austerity will affect approximately 5.8 billion persons by 2021?about 75 per cent of the global population. For billions of persons, the persistence of a long jobs crisis and austerity mean a deterioration of living conditions, rising inequalities and social discontent. ? Analysis of IMF country reports in 161 countries in 2018-19 show that IMF policy discussions with government include: * Pension and social security reforms (86 countries), * Cutting or capping the public sector wage bill, including the number and salaries of teachers, health workers and civil servants delivering public services (80 countries) * Labor flexibilization reforms (79 countries) * Reducing or eliminating subsidies (78 countries) * Rationalizing and/or further targeting social assistance or safety nets (77 countries) * Increasing regressive consumption taxes, such as sales and value added taxes (73 countries) * Strengthening public-private partnerships (PPPs) (60 countries) * Privatizing public assets/services (59 countries) * Healthcare reforms (33 countries) ? all these reforms have NEGATIVE SOCIAL IMPACTS ? Further, public expenditure adjustment is being used as a trojan horse to induce Washington Consensus policies to cut back on public policies and the welfare state. Once budgets are contracting, governments must look at policies that minimize the public sector and expand PPPs and private sector delivery, often promoted and/or assisted by multilateral development banks. ? The paper presents the renewed Washington Consensus advised to governments that are left with limited budgets?and the alternative UN Consensus on Development for All ? Austerity and budget cuts do not need to be ?the new normal.? There are alternatives, even in the poorest countries. Governments can find additional fiscal space to fund public services and development policies through at least eight options, which range from increasing progressive tax revenues, cracking down on illicit financial flows, improving debt management and using fiscal and foreign exchange reserves, to adopting more accommodative macroeconomic frameworks, reprioritizing public expenditures and -for lower income countries- lobbying for greater aid. All these options are endorsed by the United Nations and the international financial institutions. ? It is time for world leaders to abandon the myopic scope of macroeconomic and fiscal policy decisions that benefit few and, instead, look for new fiscal space and financing opportunities to foster a robust global recovery and the achievement of long-term global prosperity for all. Press articles: IPS: Austerity, the ?New Normal? Project Syndicate: The Insanity of Austerity Best, Isabel and Matthew Isabel Ortiz is Director of the Global Social Justice Program, Initiative for Policy Dialogue (IPD) at Columbia University, and former Director at the ILO and UNICEF. Matthew Cummins is a senior economist who has worked at UNDP, UNICEF and the World Bank. ________________________________ Please share your inputs by e-mailing: recoveryhumanface at socpro.list.ilo.org. To see earlier messages http://www.recoveryhumanface.org/. This e-discussion is intended to facilitate the exchange of knowledge and ideas; the views expressed by contributors do not reflect the policies of ILO. The discussion is moderated by Isabel Ortiz, contact at isabel.ortiz at ymail.com . Subscribe ? Unsubscribe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Fri Oct 18 14:37:32 2019 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 14:37:32 +0000 Subject: [Peace] David Harvey on China Message-ID: If one only listens to the last couple minutes??. https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9hbnRpY2FwaXRhbGlzdGNocm9uaWNsZXMubGlic3luLmNvbS9yc3M&episode=OTI1NGJhNzI2ZWVmNDA2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at newsfromneptune.com Sun Oct 20 01:13:17 2019 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 20:13:17 -0500 Subject: [Peace] How the Syria War was Won Message-ID: https://consortiumnews.com/2019/10/18/pepe-escobar-the-road-to-damascus-how-the-syria-war-was-won/ [Pepe Escobar] I'm VERY pleased to present this special Syria essay for Consortium News. Yes, it's provocative, quite ambitious - and the emphasis is not geopolitics, but the arc of history. I had to sacrifice many ramifications for the sake of a concise narrative. I really hope this may be helpful, especially across the Global South, for anyone trying to make sense of the senseless, attempted destruction of Syria. And yes, in the end Syria wins. ### From carl at newsfromneptune.com Sun Oct 20 02:34:40 2019 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 21:34:40 -0500 Subject: [Peace] How the Syria War was Won In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2EC3FB0A-53B6-4115-A185-C0058D4AA85C@newsfromneptune.com> Some people think the ?intelligence community? killed JFK for his failure to overthrow the revolutionary government in Cuba. The example, true or not, may be at work now in re Trump and Syria. What can Trump expect as the CIA?s (and the Democrats?) revenge for Syria? ?CGE > On Oct 19, 2019, at 9:23 PM, C G Estabrook wrote: > > ...The first major game-changer was the spectacular Russian entrance in the summer of 2015. Vladimir Putin had asked the U.S. to join in the fight against the Islamic State as the Soviet Union allied against Hitler, negating the American idea that this was Russia?s bid to restore its imperial glory. But the American plan instead, under Barack Obama, was single-minded: betting on a rag-tag Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), a mix of Kurds and Sunni Arabs, supported by air power and U.S. Special Forces, north of the Euphrates, to smash ISIS/Daesh all the way to Raqqa and Deir ez-Zor. > > Raqqa, bombed to rubble by the Pentagon, may have been taken by the SDF, but Deir ez-Zor was taken by Damascus?s Syrian Arab Army. The ultimate American aim was to consistently keep the north of the Euphrates under U.S. power, via their proxies, the SDF and the Kurdish PYD/YPG. That American dream is now over, lamented by imperial Democrats and Republicans alike. > > The CIA will be after Trump?s scalp till Kingdom Come. > > ...The Kurdish dream of a contiguous, autonomous territory from Qamichli to Manbij is over. Sunni Arabs living in this perimeter will resist any Kurdish attempt at dominance. > The Syrian PYD was founded in 2005 by PKK militants. In 2011, Syrians from the PKK came from Qandil ? the PKK base in northern Iraq ? to build the YPG militia for the PYD. In predominantly Arab zones, Syrian Kurds are in charge of governing because for them Arabs are seen as a bunch of barbarians, incapable of building their ?democratic, socialist, ecological and multi-communitarian? society. > > One can imagine how conservative Sunni Arab tribal leaders hate their guts. There?s no way these tribal leaders will ever support the Kurds against the SAA or the Turkish army; after all these Arab tribal leaders spent a lot of time in Damascus seeking support from Bashar al-Assad. And now the Kurds themselves have accepted that support in the face of the Trukish incursion, greenlighted by Trump. > > East of Deir ez-Zor, the PYD/YPG already had to say goodbye to the region that is responsible for 50 percent of Syria?s oil production. Damascus and the SAA now have the upper hand. What?s left for the PYD/YPG is to resign themselves to Damascus?s and Russian protection against Turkey, and the chance of exercising sovereignty in exclusively Kurdish territories. > Ignorance of the West > > The West, with typical Orientalist haughtiness, never understood that Alawites, Christians, Ismailis and Druze in Syria would always privilege Damascus for protection compared to an ?opposition? monopolized by hardcore Islamists, if not jihadis. The West also did not understand that the government in Damascus, for survival, could always count on formidable Baath party networks plus the dreaded mukhabarat ? the intel services. > > Rebuilding Syria > > The reconstruction of Syria may cost as much as $200 billion. Damascus has already made it very clear that the U.S. and the EU are not welcome. China will be in the forefront, along with Russia and Iran; this will be a project strictly following the Eurasia integration playbook ? with the Chinese aiming to revive Syria?s strategic positioning in the Ancient Silk Road? > > ?Pepe Escobar > > >> On Oct 19, 2019, at 8:13 PM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: >> >> https://consortiumnews.com/2019/10/18/pepe-escobar-the-road-to-damascus-how-the-syria-war-was-won/ >> >> [Pepe Escobar] >> I'm VERY pleased to present this special Syria essay for Consortium News. Yes, it's provocative, quite ambitious - and the emphasis is not geopolitics, but the arc of history. I had to sacrifice many ramifications for the sake of a concise narrative. I really hope this may be helpful, especially across the Global South, for anyone trying to make sense of the senseless, attempted destruction of Syria. And yes, in the end Syria wins. >> >> ### >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Oct 20 15:22:18 2019 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 15:22:18 +0000 Subject: [Peace] Inside the CIA/truth Message-ID: https://youtu.be/EYrznlDTE_M From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net Sun Oct 20 15:25:34 2019 From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 10:25:34 -0500 Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] How the Syria War was Won In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004e01d5875a$9ec8bde0$dc5a39a0$@comcast.net> ? the PKK base in northern Iraq ? to build the YPG militia for the PYD. In predominantly Arab zones, Syrian Kurds are in charge of governing because for them Arabs are seen as a bunch of barbarians, incapable of building their ?democratic, socialist, ecological and multi-communitarian? society.? The above statement is an absolute slanderous lie ! The YPG Kurdish areas had a bottom up grass roots democratic structure that did NOT discriminate against anyone, regardless if they were Kurds or Araba or Alawites. Muslims, Christians, or the other smaller religious groups in the area. It rejected capitalism and their areas consisted of small businesses and worker cooperatives. There was a total absence of misogyny with women in positions of elected leadership in governing councils and military units. The governing councils started at the neighborhood level and went to city and regional level. ALL 100 % democratic REGARDLESS of ethnicity etc.. The YPG Kurds has / had a society that was a model for not just the middle east but the world at large. Of course all of the actors involved, especially Turkey, wanted to see it destroyed, including Trump / U.S. ruling class and the Assad government. During the entire time of it?s existence it never battled the Syrian army and allowed the regional; airport and the postal system to remain in control of the Syrian government. It did have several armed confrontations with the CIA backed jihadists of the so called ? Free Syrian Army ? in addition to ISIS. The accepting of U.S. weapons and later troops was an act of survival. I have read two books written about the YPG as well as read countless interviews / personal accounts of Left-wing American and British individuals who visited and stayed in the Rojave region for various lengths of time. David J. From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2019 9:23 PM To: Carl G. Estabrook Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; peace Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] How the Syria War was Won ...The first major game-changer was the spectacular Russian entrance in the summer of 2015. Vladimir Putin had asked the U.S. to join in the fight against the Islamic State as the Soviet Union allied against Hitler, negating the American idea that this was Russia?s bid to restore its imperial glory. But the American plan instead, under Barack Obama, was single-minded: betting on a rag-tag Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), a mix of Kurds and Sunni Arabs, supported by air power and U.S. Special Forces, north of the Euphrates, to smash ISIS/Daesh all the way to Raqqa and Deir ez-Zor. Raqqa, bombed to rubble by the Pentagon, may have been taken by the SDF, but Deir ez-Zor was taken by Damascus?s Syrian Arab Army. The ultimate American aim was to consistently keep the north of the Euphrates under U.S. power, via their proxies, the SDF and the Kurdish PYD/YPG. That American dream is now over, lamented by imperial Democrats and Republicans alike. The CIA will be after Trump?s scalp till Kingdom Come. ...The Kurdish dream of a contiguous, autonomous territory from Qamichli to Manbij is over. Sunni Arabs living in this perimeter will resist any Kurdish attempt at dominance. The Syrian PYD was founded in 2005 by PKK militants. In 2011, Syrians from the PKK came from Qandil ? the PKK base in northern Iraq ? to build the YPG militia for the PYD. In predominantly Arab zones, Syrian Kurds are in charge of governing because for them Arabs are seen as a bunch of barbarians, incapable of building their ?democratic, socialist, ecological and multi-communitarian? society. One can imagine how conservative Sunni Arab tribal leaders hate their guts. There?s no way these tribal leaders will ever support the Kurds against the SAA or the Turkish army; after all these Arab tribal leaders spent a lot of time in Damascus seeking support from Bashar al-Assad. And now the Kurds themselves have accepted that support in the face of the Trukish incursion, greenlighted by Trump. East of Deir ez-Zor, the PYD/YPG already had to say goodbye to the region that is responsible for 50 percent of Syria?s oil production. Damascus and the SAA now have the upper hand. What?s left for the PYD/YPG is to resign themselves to Damascus?s and Russian protection against Turkey, and the chance of exercising sovereignty in exclusively Kurdish territories. Ignorance of the West The West, with typical Orientalist haughtiness, never understood that Alawites, Christians, Ismailis and Druze in Syria would always privilege Damascus for protection compared to an ?opposition? monopolized by hardcore Islamists, if not jihadis. The West also did not understand that the government in Damascus, for survival, could always count on formidable Baath party networks plus the dreaded mukhabarat ? the intel services. Rebuilding Syria The reconstruction of Syria may cost as much as $200 billion. Damascus has already made it very clear that the U.S. and the EU are not welcome. China will be in the forefront, along with Russia and Iran; this will be a project strictly following the Eurasia integration playbook ? with the Chinese aiming to revive Syria?s strategic positioning in the Ancient Silk Road? ?Pepe Escobar On Oct 19, 2019, at 8:13 PM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: https://consortiumnews.com/2019/10/18/pepe-escobar-the-road-to-damascus-how-the-syria-war-was-won/ [Pepe Escobar] I'm VERY pleased to present this special Syria essay for Consortium News. Yes, it's provocative, quite ambitious - and the emphasis is not geopolitics, but the arc of history. I had to sacrifice many ramifications for the sake of a concise narrative. I really hope this may be helpful, especially across the Global South, for anyone trying to make sense of the senseless, attempted destruction of Syria. And yes, in the end Syria wins. ### _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Oct 20 16:09:29 2019 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 16:09:29 +0000 Subject: [Peace] How the Syria War was Won In-Reply-To: <2EC3FB0A-53B6-4115-A185-C0058D4AA85C@newsfromneptune.com> References: <2EC3FB0A-53B6-4115-A185-C0058D4AA85C@newsfromneptune.com> Message-ID: Some think it wasn?t so much the failure of the overthrow of the Cuban government, but the CIA agents, and their Cuban contractors who were captured, and tortured as Cuban prisoners, due to Kennedy withdrawal of the invasion after it had already begun. > On Oct 19, 2019, at 19:34, C. G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: > > Some people think the ?intelligence community? killed JFK for his failure to overthrow the revolutionary government in Cuba. > > The example, true or not, may be at work now in re Trump and Syria. What can Trump expect as the CIA?s (and the Democrats?) revenge for Syria? > > ?CGE > > >> On Oct 19, 2019, at 9:23 PM, C G Estabrook wrote: >> >> ...The first major game-changer was the spectacular Russian entrance in the summer of 2015. Vladimir Putin had asked the U.S. to join in the fight against the Islamic State as the Soviet Union allied against Hitler, negating the American idea that this was Russia?s bid to restore its imperial glory. But the American plan instead, under Barack Obama, was single-minded: betting on a rag-tag Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), a mix of Kurds and Sunni Arabs, supported by air power and U.S. Special Forces, north of the Euphrates, to smash ISIS/Daesh all the way to Raqqa and Deir ez-Zor. >> >> Raqqa, bombed to rubble by the Pentagon, may have been taken by the SDF, but Deir ez-Zor was taken by Damascus?s Syrian Arab Army. The ultimate American aim was to consistently keep the north of the Euphrates under U.S. power, via their proxies, the SDF and the Kurdish PYD/YPG. That American dream is now over, lamented by imperial Democrats and Republicans alike. >> >> The CIA will be after Trump?s scalp till Kingdom Come. >> >> ...The Kurdish dream of a contiguous, autonomous territory from Qamichli to Manbij is over. Sunni Arabs living in this perimeter will resist any Kurdish attempt at dominance. >> The Syrian PYD was founded in 2005 by PKK militants. In 2011, Syrians from the PKK came from Qandil ? the PKK base in northern Iraq ? to build the YPG militia for the PYD. In predominantly Arab zones, Syrian Kurds are in charge of governing because for them Arabs are seen as a bunch of barbarians, incapable of building their ?democratic, socialist, ecological and multi-communitarian? society. >> >> One can imagine how conservative Sunni Arab tribal leaders hate their guts. There?s no way these tribal leaders will ever support the Kurds against the SAA or the Turkish army; after all these Arab tribal leaders spent a lot of time in Damascus seeking support from Bashar al-Assad. And now the Kurds themselves have accepted that support in the face of the Trukish incursion, greenlighted by Trump. >> >> East of Deir ez-Zor, the PYD/YPG already had to say goodbye to the region that is responsible for 50 percent of Syria?s oil production. Damascus and the SAA now have the upper hand. What?s left for the PYD/YPG is to resign themselves to Damascus?s and Russian protection against Turkey, and the chance of exercising sovereignty in exclusively Kurdish territories. >> Ignorance of the West >> >> The West, with typical Orientalist haughtiness, never understood that Alawites, Christians, Ismailis and Druze in Syria would always privilege Damascus for protection compared to an ?opposition? monopolized by hardcore Islamists, if not jihadis. The West also did not understand that the government in Damascus, for survival, could always count on formidable Baath party networks plus the dreaded mukhabarat ? the intel services. >> >> Rebuilding Syria >> >> The reconstruction of Syria may cost as much as $200 billion. Damascus has already made it very clear that the U.S. and the EU are not welcome. China will be in the forefront, along with Russia and Iran; this will be a project strictly following the Eurasia integration playbook ? with the Chinese aiming to revive Syria?s strategic positioning in the Ancient Silk Road? >> >> ?Pepe Escobar >> >> >>> On Oct 19, 2019, at 8:13 PM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: >>> >>> https://consortiumnews.com/2019/10/18/pepe-escobar-the-road-to-damascus-how-the-syria-war-was-won/ >>> >>> [Pepe Escobar] >>> I'm VERY pleased to present this special Syria essay for Consortium News. Yes, it's provocative, quite ambitious - and the emphasis is not geopolitics, but the arc of history. I had to sacrifice many ramifications for the sake of a concise narrative. I really hope this may be helpful, especially across the Global South, for anyone trying to make sense of the senseless, attempted destruction of Syria. And yes, in the end Syria wins. >>> >>> ### >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace mailing list >>> Peace at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >> > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Oct 20 18:33:48 2019 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 18:33:48 +0000 Subject: [Peace] How the Syria War was Won In-Reply-To: <0F10CD66-C058-462F-A13C-489C1A9A0C2D@gmail.com> References: <2EC3FB0A-53B6-4115-A185-C0058D4AA85C@newsfromneptune.com> <0F10CD66-C058-462F-A13C-489C1A9A0C2D@gmail.com> Message-ID: There is a difference. I don?t think the CIA risks killing a President or operative, due to failure of one mission or goal, when he is doing everything else correct by CIA standards, unless you think Kennedy was serious about withdrawing from Vietnam. > On Oct 20, 2019, at 10:34, C. G. Estabrook wrote: > > > I don?t see the difference. > >> On Oct 20, 2019, at 11:09 AM, Karen Aram wrote: >> >> Some think it wasn?t so much the failure of the overthrow of the Cuban government, but the CIA agents, and their Cuban contractors who were captured, and tortured as Cuban prisoners, due to Kennedy withdrawal of the invasion after it had already begun. >> >> >>> On Oct 19, 2019, at 19:34, C. G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: >>> >>> Some people think the ?intelligence community? killed JFK for his failure to overthrow the revolutionary government in Cuba. >>> >>> The example, true or not, may be at work now in re Trump and Syria. What can Trump expect as the CIA?s (and the Democrats?) revenge for Syria? >>> >>> ?CGE >>> >>> >>>> On Oct 19, 2019, at 9:23 PM, C G Estabrook wrote: >>>> >>>> ...The first major game-changer was the spectacular Russian entrance in the summer of 2015. Vladimir Putin had asked the U.S. to join in the fight against the Islamic State as the Soviet Union allied against Hitler, negating the American idea that this was Russia?s bid to restore its imperial glory. But the American plan instead, under Barack Obama, was single-minded: betting on a rag-tag Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), a mix of Kurds and Sunni Arabs, supported by air power and U.S. Special Forces, north of the Euphrates, to smash ISIS/Daesh all the way to Raqqa and Deir ez-Zor. >>>> >>>> Raqqa, bombed to rubble by the Pentagon, may have been taken by the SDF, but Deir ez-Zor was taken by Damascus?s Syrian Arab Army. The ultimate American aim was to consistently keep the north of the Euphrates under U.S. power, via their proxies, the SDF and the Kurdish PYD/YPG. That American dream is now over, lamented by imperial Democrats and Republicans alike. >>>> >>>> The CIA will be after Trump?s scalp till Kingdom Come. >>>> >>>> ...The Kurdish dream of a contiguous, autonomous territory from Qamichli to Manbij is over. Sunni Arabs living in this perimeter will resist any Kurdish attempt at dominance. >>>> The Syrian PYD was founded in 2005 by PKK militants. In 2011, Syrians from the PKK came from Qandil ? the PKK base in northern Iraq ? to build the YPG militia for the PYD. In predominantly Arab zones, Syrian Kurds are in charge of governing because for them Arabs are seen as a bunch of barbarians, incapable of building their ?democratic, socialist, ecological and multi-communitarian? society. >>>> >>>> One can imagine how conservative Sunni Arab tribal leaders hate their guts. There?s no way these tribal leaders will ever support the Kurds against the SAA or the Turkish army; after all these Arab tribal leaders spent a lot of time in Damascus seeking support from Bashar al-Assad. And now the Kurds themselves have accepted that support in the face of the Trukish incursion, greenlighted by Trump. >>>> >>>> East of Deir ez-Zor, the PYD/YPG already had to say goodbye to the region that is responsible for 50 percent of Syria?s oil production. Damascus and the SAA now have the upper hand. What?s left for the PYD/YPG is to resign themselves to Damascus?s and Russian protection against Turkey, and the chance of exercising sovereignty in exclusively Kurdish territories. >>>> Ignorance of the West >>>> >>>> The West, with typical Orientalist haughtiness, never understood that Alawites, Christians, Ismailis and Druze in Syria would always privilege Damascus for protection compared to an ?opposition? monopolized by hardcore Islamists, if not jihadis. The West also did not understand that the government in Damascus, for survival, could always count on formidable Baath party networks plus the dreaded mukhabarat ? the intel services. >>>> >>>> Rebuilding Syria >>>> >>>> The reconstruction of Syria may cost as much as $200 billion. Damascus has already made it very clear that the U.S. and the EU are not welcome. China will be in the forefront, along with Russia and Iran; this will be a project strictly following the Eurasia integration playbook ? with the Chinese aiming to revive Syria?s strategic positioning in the Ancient Silk Road? >>>> >>>> ?Pepe Escobar >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Oct 19, 2019, at 8:13 PM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: >>>>> >>>>> https://consortiumnews.com/2019/10/18/pepe-escobar-the-road-to-damascus-how-the-syria-war-was-won/ >>>>> >>>>> [Pepe Escobar] >>>>> I'm VERY pleased to present this special Syria essay for Consortium News. Yes, it's provocative, quite ambitious - and the emphasis is not geopolitics, but the arc of history. I had to sacrifice many ramifications for the sake of a concise narrative. I really hope this may be helpful, especially across the Global South, for anyone trying to make sense of the senseless, attempted destruction of Syria. And yes, in the end Syria wins. >>>>> >>>>> ### >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Peace mailing list >>>>> Peace at lists.chambana.net >>>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace mailing list >>> Peace at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >> From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Oct 20 22:12:09 2019 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 22:12:09 +0000 Subject: [Peace] Hybrid Warfare against China Message-ID: [The Greanville Post] Home AMERICAN BRAINWASH As The US Loses Primacy In The Pacific The West Ramps Up Hybrid Warfare Against China As The US Loses Primacy In The Pacific The West Ramps Up Hybrid Warfare Against China October 16, 2019 Please make sure these dispatches reach as many readers as possible. Share with kin, friends and workmates and ask them to do likewise. ________________________________ R S Ahthion ________________________________ [https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/HongKong-mosaic-wong-rubio.png] ABOVE: Joshua Wong, an NED funded China destabiliser. The apparent ?democrat? that keeps meeting with Marco Rubio who has been involved in numerous anti-democratic coups. Most recently supporting the CIA funded Guaido in Venezuela against the democratically elected government. The entire English speaking media landscape and internet seems to be up in arms against China in the Wests latest move of hybrid warfare. Images of Hong Kong protesters stream into every living room and internet device. Nothing seems to be said of how the protestors are waving British and American flags. People in France have been getting their eyes blasted out by water cannons, flash bombs, and rubber bullets. A total of 11 deaths of protestors in France yet the media barely covers them at all. Especially for people who in the UK where, after all, France is only an hour flight away. Eleven people have died in France since the protests began. Substantially more than Hong Kong. Instead we are treated to a long spectacle of New Endowment for Democracy (NED) paid protestors. This of course is the NGO that is essentially an arm of the CIA. Indeed since 2014 the NED has poured $22,000,000 into Hong Kong under the usual guise of sponsoring ?democracy? and ?freedom?. And that?s just the money it freely declares on its website. The true figure could be much higher. The democracy the NED wants and spreads however usually has little to do with actual democracy. In reality the NED supports pliable states that are amenable to US hegemony. The US itself is an oligarchy not a democracy. This is the same NED that promotes the separation of Xinjiang by promoting ?East Turkistan? (the term used by separatists in China). The NED proudly displays the amount of money it pours into these groups seeking to separate from China. And by using the phrase ?East Turkistan? the NED nakedly shows its support for the balkanisation of China. This is largely behind the propaganda about ?camps for Uyghurs? which has been shown to be absolute nonsense. This large psyop by the west against China can only be on such display because on planet Earth the United States is the one with concentration camps in which children are going missing and dying. [And also because the anglo-americans lead the world in the art of professional marketing of ideas and general deception.?Eds] [https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Immigrants-US-concentration-camp.jpeg] ABOVE: An American concentration camp courtesy of Telesur But despite not being a democracy that doesn?t stop the US sponsoring and funding groups all over the globe that essentially call for the overthrow of the existing government and ideology. It ignores of course monarchist theocracies like Saudi Arabia that sponsor wahhabism (the extreme sect of Islam). And this aspect of free speech is missing from the United States itself. For example which TV channel can an American turn to at 6pm to hear for a call of overthrowing the government and its ideology? Where can I watch a socialist, anarchist or communist on prime time American TV calling for the overthrow of capitalism and the corrupt government in the United States? As The 70th Anniversary Of The PRC Happened, We Watched In Real Time The End Of US Primacy In The Pacific As President Xi sped down the military parade of his motorcade going past troops and weapons to the outside observer it looked like any military parade celebration. The inside observer with knowledge of the weapons on display realised it was an announcement of the end of US primacy in the Pacific. As this article beautifully illustrates the Chinese nuclear deterrent was outmoded and dated. Any nuclear exchange with the US and China would result in America intact and China annihilated. One of the weapons on display being the DF-41, a road mobile ICBM capable of surviving a 1st strike and retaliating in kind. China has now achieved mutually assured destruction which once belonged only to the US and Russia. BELOW: Some of China?s new weapons. Radically altering the strategic balance. [https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/China-AircraftCarrier2.jpg] China?s navy has been beefing up its capabilities. [https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/DF-5B_intercontinental_ballistic_missiles_during_2015_China_Victory_Day_parade.jpg] [https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/df41.jpg] DF-41 ICBMs, with new capabilities. [https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/China-drones7.jpg] ________________________________ Whilst the DF-41 brought the nuclear arsenal onto equal footing of the United states the Df-21/Df26 and Df-100 brought China onto equal footing with the US Navy. The US Navy is now a sitting duck in the pacific should a hot war break out with the United States. The Aircraft carriers the US owns are now floating coffins. Overshadowing the above however was the DF-17 with a long range cruise missile that has a hyper-sonic glide warhead. Travelling at over seven times the speed of sound. The US remains defenceless against this and nothing can intercept it. Not the upgraded anti-missile ships/THAAD or even Ground Based Interceptors. [https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/df17.jpg]ABOVE: China now has regiments of DF17s. Not just a few, but regiments. As Scott Ritter puts it: Most who watched the Chinese military parade on October 1 saw what looked to be some interesting missiles. For the informed observer, however, they were witnessing the end of an era. The Future Of US Involvement Hong Kong, Tibet And Taiwan The NED was created when it was becoming too embarrassing for the CIA to be increasingly involved in sponsoring regime change of reactionary elements of society. As seen in Yugoslavia, the nazi state of Ukraine, the umbrella movement of Hong Kong in 2014 to today. The world has largely come to see Western NGOs as synonymous with Western-backed foreign policy. Probably that?s why Russia did the sensible thing and banned them from their country. The Hong Kong protests were largely by a swath of the population that live in awful conditions in Hong Kong. From citizens living in cages to Hong Kong being one of the most unequal societies on the planet. These protests were largely highjacked by the NED and the likes of Joshua Wong ? who frankly is a traitor to his country. The protesters that started the civil war in Yugoslavia once remarked ?10 people in the street isn?t newsworthy, 10 people doing something crazy in the street is newsworthy?. Yet decades on from the NATO backed bombing, invasion and destruction of Yugoslavia, an outright majority say the years of socialism under Tito were the best. Yet these NED funded protesters in Yugoslavia were successful. The West annexed Yugoslavia, destroyed their industry and forced them to de-industrialise. The result was the states that made up Yugoslavia became sources of cheap labour for capitalist exploitation. A poll taken a while back showed 81 percent of Serbians saying they lived best in the time of socialism. [https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/HongKong-western-support-orgs.jpg]ABOVE: Webs of deceit. All of these organisations are members of the extensive global network of political manipulation utilised by the US and its allies in their hybrid war operations. The graph does not include NED, Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International and other US-controlled NGOs which also participate in these dishonest campaigns. ________________________________ In truth, the Hong Kong protesters will not be successful as they have so thoroughly discredited themselves. From waving British or American flags to the far right symbol of racism Pepe. China is a thoroughly competent state with a rational government and Hong Kong is frankly no longer the jewel in China?s crown. One only need look at percentage of GDP Hong Kong made of China?s total GDP today and 20 years ago to see the dramatic shift in power relations. Whilst the Hong Kong bourgeois would prefer to keep their privileges at the expense of China the truth is they are already history. US Sinks Lower And Lower And Meanwhile China Rises Jeffrey Sachs recently said in a frank interview that the trade war is nothing to with ?IP theft? as the capitalists in the US like to cry and whine about. Trump even going so far to say ?China is raping us?. ?China is a technology super power. That?s what is actually driving this. Not so much that they?re stealing but they?re getting ahead in artificial intelligence, expert systems and 5g. The attack on Huawei is not because they?re stealing but ?Oh my god they?re getting ahead?. What?s really driving this in foreign policy terms is fear they?re moving ahead not that they?re stealing from us. Every week I read the leading scientific journals. Chinas publishing like crazy. They?re not stealing from us. They?re in a very advanced stage. New chips, new applications of AI, new super computers.? Jeffrey Sachs also mentioned how we?re seeing a slowdown on economic growth due to the trade war and uncertainty in supply chains. With a recession on the horizon we can expect to see a repeat of 2008 ? the west further weakened and China emerging even stronger. The US has now gone that step further in trying to separate Hong Kong off from China by passing a bill to determine whether Hong Kong should be treated as a separate trading entity. When China emerges even stronger China should seriously consider pushing western NGO?s out of its territory [a much belated move] or even better yet, pumping millions of dollars into funding and expanding communist parties abroad. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r-szoke at illinois.edu Sun Oct 20 23:41:59 2019 From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 23:41:59 +0000 Subject: [Peace] Catfishing the troops Message-ID: Remember Bothsidesism & Whataboutism! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: NATO catfishing.rtfd.zip Type: application/zip Size: 3275 bytes Desc: NATO catfishing.rtfd.zip URL: From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net Sun Oct 20 23:55:10 2019 From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 18:55:10 -0500 Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Catfishing the troops In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <014501d587a1$cf89d9e0$6e9d8da0$@comcast.net> " Remember Bothsidesism & Whataboutism! " - Yes Ron, we Are aware of this superficial / pseudo, ruling class / corporate media, talking point that you are parroting. This is all so convenient of an attempt at a counter argument, when you cannot defend your ridiculous corporate media talking points or disprove the FACTS many of us present. It is at best intellectually lazy and at worst a deliberate attempt at Neo-liberal corporate propaganda promotion. You need to stop reading the NY Times and watching MSDNC. Or at LEAST, stop believing everything you read from these corporate ruling class media sources, and start using critical thinking skills and finding INDEPENDENT NON-CORPORTATE REAL journalists on the internet to compare facts ( with evidence ). I would be happy to help you in that task. What I would really like to see you do Ron, is actually provide some REAL evidence to disprove something one of us posts. As opposed to just repeating blindly ruling class propaganda. You are an educated intelligent man. Act like it ! David J. -----Original Message----- From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2019 6:42 PM To: peace-discuss at anti-war.net Cc: peace Subject: [Peace-discuss] Catfishing the troops Remember Bothsidesism & Whataboutism! From carl at newsfromneptune.com Mon Oct 21 04:03:20 2019 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 23:03:20 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Syrian Kurds as US agents in Syria In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://www.dailysabah.com/war-on-terror/2019/10/20/council-of-syrian-tribes-calls-for-liberation-of-manbij-from-ypg-terrorists > On Oct 19, 2019, at 9:23 PM, C G Estabrook wrote: > > ...The first major game-changer was the spectacular Russian entrance in the summer of 2015. Vladimir Putin had asked the U.S. to join in the fight against the Islamic State as the Soviet Union allied against Hitler, negating the American idea that this was Russia?s bid to restore its imperial glory. But the American plan instead, under Barack Obama, was single-minded: betting on a rag-tag Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), a mix of Kurds and Sunni Arabs, supported by air power and U.S. Special Forces, north of the Euphrates, to smash ISIS/Daesh all the way to Raqqa and Deir ez-Zor. > > Raqqa, bombed to rubble by the Pentagon, may have been taken by the SDF, but Deir ez-Zor was taken by Damascus?s Syrian Arab Army. The ultimate American aim was to consistently keep the north of the Euphrates under U.S. power, via their proxies, the SDF and the Kurdish PYD/YPG. That American dream is now over, lamented by imperial Democrats and Republicans alike. > > The CIA will be after Trump?s scalp till Kingdom Come. > > ...The Kurdish dream of a contiguous, autonomous territory from Qamichli to Manbij is over. Sunni Arabs living in this perimeter will resist any Kurdish attempt at dominance. > The Syrian PYD was founded in 2005 by PKK militants. In 2011, Syrians from the PKK came from Qandil ? the PKK base in northern Iraq ? to build the YPG militia for the PYD. In predominantly Arab zones, Syrian Kurds are in charge of governing because for them Arabs are seen as a bunch of barbarians, incapable of building their ?democratic, socialist, ecological and multi-communitarian? society. > > One can imagine how conservative Sunni Arab tribal leaders hate their guts. There?s no way these tribal leaders will ever support the Kurds against the SAA or the Turkish army; after all these Arab tribal leaders spent a lot of time in Damascus seeking support from Bashar al-Assad. And now the Kurds themselves have accepted that support in the face of the Trukish incursion, greenlighted by Trump. > > East of Deir ez-Zor, the PYD/YPG already had to say goodbye to the region that is responsible for 50 percent of Syria?s oil production. Damascus and the SAA now have the upper hand. What?s left for the PYD/YPG is to resign themselves to Damascus?s and Russian protection against Turkey, and the chance of exercising sovereignty in exclusively Kurdish territories. > Ignorance of the West > > The West, with typical Orientalist haughtiness, never understood that Alawites, Christians, Ismailis and Druze in Syria would always privilege Damascus for protection compared to an ?opposition? monopolized by hardcore Islamists, if not jihadis. The West also did not understand that the government in Damascus, for survival, could always count on formidable Baath party networks plus the dreaded mukhabarat ? the intel services. > > Rebuilding Syria > > The reconstruction of Syria may cost as much as $200 billion. Damascus has already made it very clear that the U.S. and the EU are not welcome. China will be in the forefront, along with Russia and Iran; this will be a project strictly following the Eurasia integration playbook ? with the Chinese aiming to revive Syria?s strategic positioning in the Ancient Silk Road? > > ?Pepe Escobar > > >> On Oct 19, 2019, at 8:13 PM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: >> >> https://consortiumnews.com/2019/10/18/pepe-escobar-the-road-to-damascus-how-the-syria-war-was-won/ >> >> [Pepe Escobar] >> I'm VERY pleased to present this special Syria essay for Consortium News. Yes, it's provocative, quite ambitious - and the emphasis is not geopolitics, but the arc of history. I had to sacrifice many ramifications for the sake of a concise narrative. I really hope this may be helpful, especially across the Global South, for anyone trying to make sense of the senseless, attempted destruction of Syria. And yes, in the end Syria wins. >> >> ### >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > From carl at newsfromneptune.com Mon Oct 21 15:06:35 2019 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 10:06:35 -0500 Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] How the Syria War was Won In-Reply-To: <004e01d5875a$9ec8bde0$dc5a39a0$@comcast.net> References: <004e01d5875a$9ec8bde0$dc5a39a0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <0FB307DA-275F-4F5C-A705-9918FA901DC4@newsfromneptune.com> The attractiveness of the Rojava social experiment may lead us to ignore the use of the Rojava Kurds by the US and Israel (both in Syria illegally) to displace the Damascus government, and the Syrian Kurds? relation to the surrounding tribes, as described by Escobar? [Gabriel Uriarte] Mmm, think it [Escobar?s account] might be a bit overdrawn (as I find so much of Escobar's stuff). The description I've found convincing about the weaknesses of "Rojava" east of the Euphrates is Fabrice Balanche here, (yeah, I know it's at WINET, but the guy's good.) Point I'd make is that the Arab tribes' attitude is kind of independent of whether the PYD realistic (or nice) or not: either a Turkish conquest or a Syrian return would be preferable to them. "The Kurds no longer pay much heed to traditional tribal structures, but the tribal system still dominates Arab society in Tal Abyad. Long protected by Syria?s Baath regime, Arab tribal leaders have retained their status as notables and their capacity for political mobilization. The main tribe in Tal Abyad district is the Jays, divided into three powerful clans: the Bou Assaf, who are close to the YPG, and the Jamilah and Bou Jarada, who are very anti-YPG. Less prominent local tribes are the Naim, Hannada, Baggara, and Annaza. Two Turkmen collectives, the Slouk and Hamam Turkmen, also constitute tribes. "The Jays is a warrior tribe with strong ties to Turkey and a history of conflict with the Kurds of Kobane, whose agricultural lands are nearby. Before the war, the tribe was close to the Assad regime; once government forces withdrew in July 2012, it tried to behave like the master of the region. After periods of chaos and rebel takeover, the YPG occupied Tal Abyad city for a few days in March 2013, spurring some of the clans from Jays and other Arab tribes to ask for help from al-Qaeda affiliate Jabhat al-Nusra (which including IS cadres at the time). In addition to pushing the YPG out of the district, this Arab alliance displaced the entire Kurdish population, destroying their homes in the process. "Currently, Arab refugees from Tal Abyad are keen to return to the district by force with Turkey?s help. Many of them have trained in Turkish military camps in Sanliurfa and Akcakale, the border town nearest Tal Abyad. These young trainees may be used as the vanguard to ?liberate? the district, similar to how the Turkish army used proxies when invading the Kurdish district of Afrin in northwest Syria. This strategy has an even better chance of succeeding (and avoiding international outcry) in Tal Abyad because the majority of the population is Arab, unlike in Afrin where Kurds are more numerous. For instance, the Sukhanya clan fled Tal Abyad in May 2015 and sought refuge in Turkey, and their homes have since been confiscated by the YPG. Today, they regularly demonstrate on the Turkish side of the border to demand the YPG?s departure, and their militia is ready to participate in any advance against the town.? =========== The Turkish invasion of course has forced the Kurds to reunite with Damascus, as Russia has been pressing them to - and stop being a stalking horse for the US. ?CGE > On Oct 20, 2019, at 10:25 AM, David Johnson wrote: > > ? the PKK base in northern Iraq ? to build the YPG militia for the PYD. In predominantly Arab zones, Syrian Kurds are in charge of governing because for them Arabs are seen as a bunch of barbarians, incapable of building their ?democratic, socialist, ecological and multi-communitarian? society.? > > The above statement is an absolute slanderous lie ! > > The YPG Kurdish areas had a bottom up grass roots democratic structure that did NOT discriminate against anyone, regardless if they were Kurds or Araba or Alawites. Muslims, Christians, or the other smaller religious groups in the area. It rejected capitalism and their areas consisted of small businesses and worker cooperatives. There was a total absence of misogyny with women in positions of elected leadership in governing councils and military units. The governing councils started at the neighborhood level and went to city and regional level. ALL 100 % democratic REGARDLESS of ethnicity etc.. > The YPG Kurds has / had a society that was a model for not just the middle east but the world at large. Of course all of the actors involved, especially Turkey, wanted to see it destroyed, including Trump / U.S. ruling class and the Assad government. > During the entire time of it?s existence it never battled the Syrian army and allowed the regional; airport and the postal system to remain in control of the Syrian government. It did have several armed confrontations with the CIA backed jihadists of the so called ? Free Syrian Army ? in addition to ISIS. The accepting of U.S. weapons and later troops was an act of survival. > I have read two books written about the YPG as well as read countless interviews / personal accounts of Left-wing American and British individuals who visited and stayed in the Rojave region for various lengths of time. > > David J. > > > From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss > Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2019 9:23 PM > To: Carl G. Estabrook > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; peace > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] How the Syria War was Won > > ...The first major game-changer was the spectacular Russian entrance in the summer of 2015. Vladimir Putin had asked the U.S. to join in the fight against the Islamic State as the Soviet Union allied against Hitler, negating the American idea that this was Russia?s bid to restore its imperial glory. But the American plan instead, under Barack Obama, was single-minded: betting on a rag-tag Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), a mix of Kurds and Sunni Arabs, supported by air power and U.S. Special Forces, north of the Euphrates, to smash ISIS/Daesh all the way to Raqqa and Deir ez-Zor. > > Raqqa, bombed to rubble by the Pentagon, may have been taken by the SDF, but Deir ez-Zor was taken by Damascus?s Syrian Arab Army. The ultimate American aim was to consistently keep the north of the Euphrates under U.S. power, via their proxies, the SDF and the Kurdish PYD/YPG. That American dream is now over, lamented by imperial Democrats and Republicans alike. > > The CIA will be after Trump?s scalp till Kingdom Come. > > ...The Kurdish dream of a contiguous, autonomous territory from Qamichli to Manbij is over. Sunni Arabs living in this perimeter will resist any Kurdish attempt at dominance. > The Syrian PYD was founded in 2005 by PKK militants. In 2011, Syrians from the PKK came from Qandil ? the PKK base in northern Iraq ? to build the YPG militia for the PYD. In predominantly Arab zones, Syrian Kurds are in charge of governing because for them Arabs are seen as a bunch of barbarians, incapable of building their ?democratic, socialist, ecological and multi-communitarian? society. > > One can imagine how conservative Sunni Arab tribal leaders hate their guts. There?s no way these tribal leaders will ever support the Kurds against the SAA or the Turkish army; after all these Arab tribal leaders spent a lot of time in Damascus seeking support from Bashar al-Assad. And now the Kurds themselves have accepted that support in the face of the Trukish incursion, greenlighted by Trump. > > East of Deir ez-Zor, the PYD/YPG already had to say goodbye to the region that is responsible for 50 percent of Syria?s oil production. Damascus and the SAA now have the upper hand. What?s left for the PYD/YPG is to resign themselves to Damascus?s and Russian protection against Turkey, and the chance of exercising sovereignty in exclusively Kurdish territories. > Ignorance of the West > > The West, with typical Orientalist haughtiness, never understood that Alawites, Christians, Ismailis and Druze in Syria would always privilege Damascus for protection compared to an ?opposition? monopolized by hardcore Islamists, if not jihadis. The West also did not understand that the government in Damascus, for survival, could always count on formidable Baath party networks plus the dreaded mukhabarat ? the intel services. > > Rebuilding Syria > > The reconstruction of Syria may cost as much as $200 billion. Damascus has already made it very clear that the U.S. and the EU are not welcome. China will be in the forefront, along with Russia and Iran; this will be a project strictly following the Eurasia integration playbook ? with the Chinese aiming to revive Syria?s strategic positioning in the Ancient Silk Road? > > ?Pepe Escobar > > > > On Oct 19, 2019, at 8:13 PM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: > > https://consortiumnews.com/2019/10/18/pepe-escobar-the-road-to-damascus-how-the-syria-war-was-won/ > > [Pepe Escobar] > I'm VERY pleased to present this special Syria essay for Consortium News. Yes, it's provocative, quite ambitious - and the emphasis is not geopolitics, but the arc of history. I had to sacrifice many ramifications for the sake of a concise narrative. I really hope this may be helpful, especially across the Global South, for anyone trying to make sense of the senseless, attempted destruction of Syria. And yes, in the end Syria wins. > > ### > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon Oct 21 20:32:40 2019 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 20:32:40 +0000 Subject: [Peace] Fwd: Updates: Kevin Zeese, Conference in Urbana Saturday! References: Message-ID: There have been some time changes: please see below: [Illinois Green Party] * * Urbana, October 26th, 4 p.m.: Illinois Green Party Fall Conference Illini Student Union Building, 1401 W Green St., Room 314B. Kevin will be participating in an afternoon panel on ?The Need For an Anti-Imperialist Peace Movement.? More details below. * Champaign, October 26th, 5:30 p.m.: Fall Conference Dinner Kohinoor Indian Restaurant and Lounge, 6 E. Columbia Ave., Champaign. After-dinner talk on the Venezuela Embassy Protection Collective and the Embassy Protectors Defense Committee. Social at 5:30; cash bar and dinner off the menu. Dinner at about 6; talk at about 7. Joint fundraiser for the Illinois Green Party and the Defense Committee. Suggested door donation of $20 but open to all. You can purchase tickets and donate in advance on our information page here. Please consider bringing an item to donate for our silent auction. Join us at our Fall Conference in Urbana! When: October 26, 2019, 8:30 a.m. ? 5:30 p.m. Where: Illini Student Union Building, 1401 W Green St., Room 314B. What?s happening: The membership is the highest decision-making body in the Illinois Green Party, and if you are a duespaying member, you can participate in its deliberations. At this conference, the morning and early afternoon sessions will be devoted mostly to party business, including possible future by-laws amendments, planning for the upcoming 2020 campaigns and statewide petition drive, including potential U.S. Senate campaign, election of a new membership steward and seats on the Green National Committee. The balance of the afternoon will be devoted to panel presentations and discussions on Eco-Socialism and building the peace movement in the U.S. Then please join us for our fundraising dinner at Kohinoor Indian Restaurant and Lounge! (See above announcement.) Afternoon program: 2:15 ? 2:30: Ben Chapman Illinois Organizer for FairVote 2:30 ? 3:50: Panel: What is Eco-socialism? Illinois Green Party Co-Chair Rich Whitney, Illinois Green Party Secretary Chris Blankenhorn (Young Ecosocialists), Peter Sentz (computer science PhD student at UIUC and an organizer with the Party for Socialism and Liberation. Peter is also a member of the coordinating committee of the UIUC graduate employees' labor union, GEO, and organizes with the anti-imperialist ANSWER coalition (Act Now to Stop War and End Racism).) 3:50 ? 4:00: Break 4:00 ? 5:15: Panel: The Need for an Anti-Imperialist Peace Movement: Kevin Zeese, Karen Aram (AWARE, Prairie Greens), Dave Johnson (IWW, Prairie Greens) Watch our website, Facebook page for further details. Illinois Green Party Outreach http://www.ilgp.org/ Created with NationBuilder, the essential toolkit for leaders. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at newsfromneptune.com Tue Oct 22 14:41:47 2019 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 09:41:47 -0500 Subject: [Peace] US gov. persecutes journalist Message-ID: https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2019/10/22/only-cowards-and-sadists-support-the-persecution-of-assange/ From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue Oct 22 16:59:33 2019 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 16:59:33 +0000 Subject: [Peace] =?utf-8?q?The_New_York_Times=2C_China=2C_and_the_specter?= =?utf-8?b?IG9mIHRoZSDigJxZZWxsb3cgUGVyaWzigJ0=?= Message-ID: The New York Times, China, and the specter of the ?Yellow Peril? 22 October 2019 In a full-page editorial in its Sunday edition, the New York Times engaged in a vicious anti-Chinese rant, warning of a ?dangerous and growing threat? by the ?aggressive ? Communist state.? The editorial presented the United States in a twilight struggle against Chinese ?cultural imperialism,? which was aiming to ?stifle this nation?s core values.? This hysterical language?calling China ?dangerous,? ?aggressive? and a ?threat??has all the hallmarks of the racist myth of the ?yellow peril? used to justify the colonial subjugation of Asia by the European and American imperialist powers. ?China,? the Times wrote, ?is seeking to control not just what is said in China but what is said about China, too.? It asserted that ?America?s commitment to human rights, including the freedom of expression? faces ?an especially stern test.? The Times did not seek to explain what ?commitment to human rights? is shown by US imperialism. Is it the ?commitment to human rights? that led the US to rape, torture, or murder hundreds of thousands of people across Iraq, from the dungeons of Abu Ghraib, to Fallujah and Sadr City? Or to commit massacres all over the world, from My Lai in Vietnam to the Kunduz hospital attack in Afghanistan? The Obama administration murdered American citizens with drone missiles. The Trump administration, expanding on the policies of the Democrats, separates thousands of immigrant families and presides over what the UN characterizes as child torture. The American government imprisons whistleblower Chelsea Manning and is seeking to inflict a life sentence, or worse, on WikiLeaks publisher Julian Assange for exposing war crimes. US imperialism claims the prerogative not just to ?meddle? in the affairs of other countries, but to overthrow any elected government that it views as an obstacle to its interests. According to one study reported in the Washington Post, the US tried to change other nations? governments 72 times between 1947 and 1989. Of those, ?26 of the United States? covert operations successfully brought a US-backed government to power.? No country comes close to the United States in the vast resources it devotes to propaganda and placing politicians, academics, and journalists on the payroll of its intelligence agencies. In his history of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), The Mighty Wurlitzer, Hugh Wilford noted: High-ranking officials in the American labor movement, it emerged, had worked clandestinely with the [CIA] to spread the principles of ?free trade unionism? around the world. Anticommunist intellectuals, writers, and artists were the recipients of secret government largesse... University professors, journalists, aid workers, missionaries, civil rights activists? all had belonged to the CIA?s covert network of front operations. And then there were the hundreds of journalists revealed to be on the CIA payroll. Wilford wrote: Arthur Hays Sulzberger, publisher of the New York Times, was a good friend of [Central Intelligence Agency Director] Allen Dulles and signed a secrecy agreement with the Agency... Under the terms of this arrangement, the Times provided at least ten CIA officers with cover as reporters or clerical staff in its foreign bureaus, while genuine employees of the paper were encouraged to pass on information to the Agency. The New York Times epitomizes the eradication of any distinction between news and state propaganda. In his recent memoir, whistleblower Edward Snowden recalls seeing stories that appeared in the CIA?s internal news service show up, several days later, in the pages of the American newspapers, almost unchanged with additional references to ?unnamed intelligence sources.? The threat to American democracy comes not from without, but from within. The New York Times, in its endless demands for censorship and conformity with the ?values? of the state, is one of the principal instigators of that threat. American companies, the Times declared on Sunday, must affirm the ?American?consensus? against the ?Chinese Communist Party?s position.? It accused Disney and Comcast of ?appeasement,? and of advocating ?for the Chinese Communist Party?s position, and against the American?consensus.? In particular, the Times took issue with a scene in the Disney children?s film, Abominable, that, it claimed, inaccurately portrays the borders of China. The Times asserted that this was a betrayal of ?American values? and all but treasonous. The logic of this argument is that the United States should follow the lead of government censors in Vietnam, the Philippines and Malaysia, who have banned the film. ?Corporations,? the Times declared, ?are the creatures of a particular state, however much their executives prefer to think of their operations as multinational. American companies choose to operate under the laws of the United States and to reap the benefits of life in the United States?and they ought to be held accountable for upholding the values of the United States.? Such statements reveal the hostility of the Times to the democratic conceptions that are embodied in the American Constitution. The First Amendment states: ?Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.? That is, the government has no power to impose a set of religious, moral or political views on the people. There is not a universal set of ?American values? that citizens, or companies, are obligated to uphold, or can be ?held accountable? for opposing. The Times is making a fascistic argument. It was the Nazi regime in Germany that asserted that the ?people? must conform to the ethnic and religious ?values? dictated by the state, and brutally repressed all those who did not or could not because of their background. The editorial?s rhetoric about ?human rights? and the ?freedom of expression? is a smokescreen for the real agenda of the New York Times and the dominant sections of the American ruling class. US imperialism is preparing for a catastrophic war against China to prevent it challenging American global strategic and economic dominance. ?For the first time since the end of the Cold War, the United States finds itself in a contest?with a country in its own weight class,? the Times stated. ?China has taken a hard line, and it?s time for the United States to respond in kind.? Ideologically, the conditions for war are being prepared with hysteria about foreign interference and infiltration, and accusations of treason against all those who oppose militarism. Last month, the Washington Post promoted a report by the Hoover Institution that declared that ?it should no longer be acceptable that scholars, journalists, diplomats, and public officials from the People?s Republic of China be afforded unfettered access to American society.? The New York Times, the unofficial mouthpiece of the Democrats, attacked Trump in its editorial for not being aggressive enough. The president, it declared, had ?weakened the ability of American companies to stand up for American values? by ?failing to firmly oppose China?s demands.? However bitter the factional conflict in Washington, both the Democratic and Republican parties are committed to reversing the inexorable decline in American capitalism?s global hegemony by means of confrontation and war against China. Andre Damon WSWS.ORG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at newsfromneptune.com Wed Oct 23 02:44:20 2019 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 21:44:20 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Sitrep from CJ Hopkins Message-ID: <1E782B01-01A4-443D-98F9-1DDEA3F492A4@newsfromneptune.com> ...2020 is for all the marbles, and it?s not just about who wins the election. No, it?s mostly about crushing the ?populist? backlash against the hegemony of global capitalism and its happy, smiley-faced, conformist ideology. To do that, the neoliberal establishment has to delegitimize, and lethally stigmatize, not just Trump, but also people like Gabbard, Bernie Sanders, Jeremy Corbyn ? and any other popular political figure (left, right, it makes no difference) deviating from that ideology. In Trump?s case, it?s his neo-nationalism. In Sanders and Corbyn?s, it?s socialism (or at least some semblance of social democracy). In Gabbard?s, it?s her opposition to the Corporatocracy?s ongoing efforts to restructure and privatize the Middle East (and the rest of the entire planet), and their using the U.S. military to do it. Ask yourself, what do Trump, Sanders, Corbyn, and Gabbard have in common? ? it?s the challenge they represent to global capitalism. Each, in his or her own way, is a symbol of the growing populist resistance to the privatization and globalization of everything. And thus, they must be delegitimized, stigmatized, and relentlessly smeared as ?Russian assets,? ?anti-Semites,? ?traitors,? ?white supremacists,? ?fascists,? ?communists,? or some other type of ?extremists?... ### From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com Wed Oct 23 14:48:35 2019 From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 10:48:35 -0400 Subject: [Peace] =?utf-8?q?Katie_Halper=3A_=E2=80=9CAmy_Klobuchar_is_an_I?= =?utf-8?q?sraeli_asset=2E=E2=80=9D?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It appears that the G-d of Hosts may be revealing His purpose for the recent intervention of the Queen of the Warmongers. Some people in the Democratic Party are now claiming Free Speech rights about the King of the Benjamins. Neither the Queen nor the King can touch Katie Halper. Katie Halper is *Important*. We tried to do something about Yemen War Powers at the DNC. The answer came back: sorry, so sorry. We weren?t able to get this ?vetted by the donors.? The first time we tried to do Yemen War Powers in Congress, Engel & Shaheen said: this is no-go. It would set a bad precedent that would interfere with U.S. policy in Ukraine. The Queen, the King, and their subjects try to maintain a ?broken windows policing? policy in the Democratic Party on any proposed U.S. withdrawal from any imperial commitments. Today it?s northern Syria. Tomorrow it might be Puerto Rico or Hawaii. Of course, this is histrionics. But these people believe in the slippery slope. If a lot of it would make you drunk, a little bit is forbidden. Let Justice Democrats roll down like waters. End these regime change wars. https://twitter.com/kthalps/status/1186814689709383680 [image: image.png] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 327441 bytes Desc: not available URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Oct 23 15:22:32 2019 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 15:22:32 +0000 Subject: [Peace] =?utf-8?q?Katie_Halper=3A_=E2=80=9CAmy_Klobuchar_is_an_I?= =?utf-8?q?sraeli_asset=2E=E2=80=9D?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bob Your uncloaking of the Israeli asset, etc. is admirable. but not all of the US wars are necessarily regime change wars, however they are all wars of imperialism. On Oct 23, 2019, at 07:48, Robert Naiman via Peace > wrote: It appears that the G-d of Hosts may be revealing His purpose for the recent intervention of the Queen of the Warmongers. Some people in the Democratic Party are now claiming Free Speech rights about the King of the Benjamins. Neither the Queen nor the King can touch Katie Halper. Katie Halper is Important. We tried to do something about Yemen War Powers at the DNC. The answer came back: sorry, so sorry. We weren?t able to get this ?vetted by the donors.? The first time we tried to do Yemen War Powers in Congress, Engel & Shaheen said: this is no-go. It would set a bad precedent that would interfere with U.S. policy in Ukraine. The Queen, the King, and their subjects try to maintain a ?broken windows policing? policy in the Democratic Party on any proposed U.S. withdrawal from any imperial commitments. Today it?s northern Syria. Tomorrow it might be Puerto Rico or Hawaii. Of course, this is histrionics. But these people believe in the slippery slope. If a lot of it would make you drunk, a little bit is forbidden. Let Justice Democrats roll down like waters. End these regime change wars. https://twitter.com/kthalps/status/1186814689709383680 _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Oct 23 15:24:15 2019 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 15:24:15 +0000 Subject: [Peace] Fwd: "Kangaroo Court" "Railroading" Noted Peace Activists References: Message-ID: From: Institute for Public Accuracy [mailto:accuracy at accuracy.org] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 8:19 AM Subject: "Kangaroo Court" "Railroading" Noted Peace Activists These activists have have spent varying amount of time in jail for having entered a major nuclear facility to nonviolently "symbolically disarm" the massive nuclear arsenal stationed there. "Kangaroo Court" "Railroading" Noted Peace Activists The trial of the Kings Bay Plowshares 7 enters its third day today in Brunswick, Georgia. These activists have have spent varying amount of time in jail for having entered a major nuclear facility to nonviolently "symbolically disarm" the massive nuclear arsenal stationed there. Prosecution witnesses on Tuesday refused to "either confirm or deny" the existence of nuclear weapons on the base. The defendants face decades in prison if convicted. The judge has indicated she wants to finish the trial Wednesday or Thursday. See Wednesday morning report from the Intercepted podcast: "Omnicidal Tendencies. Also see report by "Democracy Now": "Kings Bay Plowshares 7: Trial Begins for Liz McAlister & Others for Breaking Into Nuke Sub Base." See reporting from the court room from the Ithaca Voice and by Linda Pentz Gunter in the BritishMorning Star. Howard Zinn testified in a similar Plowshares case in 1985 and related the action to a tradition in the U.S. of civil resistance. See video. But in this case, the judge has restricted expert testimony and prevented a defense based on religious freedom. See Sam Husseini's report "Catholic Activists Stand Trial for Protesting Nuclear Weapons" in The Nation: Daniel Ellsberg "has filed an affidavit with the court arguing that the defendants were justified in their actions because they are attempting to prevent 'omnicide, the collateral murder of nearly every human on earth in a war in which the nuclear missiles aboard Trident submarines were launched.' "But decisions of the judge have largely shut the door to the jury hearing anything about such defenses of 'justification' or 'necessity.' On Friday, Judge Lisa Godbey Wood of the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Georgia prohibited a whole series of defenses -- including the testimony of international lawyer Francis Boyle of the University of Illinois, on the illegality of U.S. nuclear policy -- writing that while the defendants? 'subjective beliefs about the illegality of nuclear weapons may be relevant background information, whether nuclear weapons are actually illegal under international or domestic law...is not relevant or an appropriate issue to litigate in this case.? The prosecution in excruciating detail showed pictures of the actions of the protesters. Husseini posted pictures of the actions, which include spray painting statements on a monument to nuclear missiles on the base and spilling their own blood on the emblem of the facility. The defendants left a copy of Ellsberg's latest book -- The Doomsday Machine: Confessions of a Nuclear War Planner -- at the base. It was not among the items the prosecution offered for evidence, although they did discuss Kind bar wrappings the defendants had apparently brought onto the base. Available for interviews: FRANCIS BOYLE, fboyle at illinois.edu Professor of international law at the University of Illinois, Boyle's books include Destroying World Order. He also submitted declarations to the court which the judge is preventing the jury from knowing about. ?This is a kangaroo court with a rubber stamp and a railroad all put together,? said Boyle. ART LAFFIN, artlaffin at hotmail.com Laffin is member of the Dorothy Day Catholic Worker community in Washington, D.C. He is also editor of the two-volume work Swords into Plowshares, which has a forward by the late Father Daniel Berrigan. He gave a talk Tuesday night at a nearby church on the history of the Plowshares movement, see audio here and here. These activists -- all Catholic Workers -- are: Father Steve Kelly, who is still in prison, Elizabeth McAlister (who is the widow of Phillip Berrigan), Martha Hennessy (the granddaughter of Catholic Worker founder Dorothy Day), Mark Colville of the Amisdat House New Haven, Clare Grady of the community in Ithaca New York, who made the first of the defendants opening statements, Patrick O'Neill of the community in Garner, N.C., and Carmen Trotta of the New York community. For interviews with the Plowshares activists and other information, contact: Mary Anne Grady Flores, gradyflores08 at gmail.com Bill Ofenloch, billcpf at aol.com Ellen Barfield, ellene4pj at yahoo.com [Note: electronic equipment is not allowed in the court room, so defendants and others there may be slow in responding to electronic communications.] For more information, contact at the Institute for Public Accuracy: Sam Husseini, (202) 347-0020; David Zupan, (541) 484-9167 October 23, 2019 Institute for Public Accuracy 980 National Press Building, Washington, D.C. 20045 (202) 347-0020 * accuracy.org * ipa at accuracy.org @accuracy * ipaccuracy Sent via ActionNetwork.org. To update your email address, change your name or address, or to stop receiving emails from Institute for Public Accuracy, please -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com Wed Oct 23 16:58:49 2019 From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 12:58:49 -0400 Subject: [Peace] =?utf-8?q?Bernie=3A_=22Putting_U=2ES=2E_forces_in_harm?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99s_way_for_this_purpose_is_illegal_=26_unconstit?= =?utf-8?b?dXRpb25hbC4i?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: WOOT! Now, if we could just get *one* Republican in Congress to say this, we'd have the bipartisan thing going, and we'd be off to the races. Please RT: https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/1187045900969009152 [image: image.png] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 240912 bytes Desc: not available URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Oct 23 19:58:14 2019 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 19:58:14 +0000 Subject: [Peace] AWARE Message-ID: James I wasn?t aware until recent that Stuart replied to our previous email discussions, ?that if someone provides a ride he will attend the demos with the signs." Either David G. or I have always made ourselves available when asked. So given AWARE isn?t disintegrating as I believed, the thing to do is increase the numbers of participants. I suggest?? I will be speaking at the Green Party Conference Saturday, and will take a few copies of flyers related to ?Who is AWARE? with our information. If you or any other member would like to have the flyers available for discreet circulation, please let me know upon arrival. From james.manrique at gmail.com Wed Oct 23 20:02:10 2019 From: james.manrique at gmail.com (James M) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 15:02:10 -0500 Subject: [Peace] AWARE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Most months I am also available with a car to help transport signs &/or Stuart. Just let me know (my number is 217-840-9171 if anyone needs it). Hopefully I can make it to the Green Party Conference Saturday. I think it'll be an excellent opportunity to network & discuss more plans. Thanks! On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 2:58 PM Karen Aram wrote: > James > > I wasn?t aware until recent that Stuart replied to our previous email > discussions, ?that if someone provides a ride he will attend the demos with > the signs." Either David G. or I have always made ourselves available when > asked. So given AWARE isn?t disintegrating as I believed, the thing to do > is increase the numbers of participants. I suggest?? > > I will be speaking at the Green Party Conference Saturday, and will take > a few copies of flyers related to ?Who is AWARE? with our information. If > you or any other member would like to have the flyers available for > discreet circulation, please let me know upon arrival. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuartnlevy at gmail.com Wed Oct 23 20:51:29 2019 From: stuartnlevy at gmail.com (Stuart Levy) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 15:51:29 -0500 Subject: [Peace] AWARE In-Reply-To: <7de6ea6e-4085-1a74-990d-9f81ebeebf87@illinois.edu> References: <7de6ea6e-4085-1a74-990d-9f81ebeebf87@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <4712559a-7388-41fc-9a8d-eb7ebd5a335d@gmail.com> Though I don't feel that AWARE is very effective -- and Bob Naiman's suggestion of bringing anti-war messages to public-input time at public meetings is a good one! -- I am still game to carry on with monthly demonstrations as well.??? I've missed several demos this year due to travel, but when around I am happy to provide signs, and one body to carry them. I *think* I'll be in town on Nov 2nd, which would be our next demonstration. James, thanks for your offer - I may take you up on it! So I don't think it is the end of the AWARE era, yet. On 10/23/19 2:58 PM, Karen Aram wrote: > James > > I wasn?t aware until recent that Stuart replied to our previous email discussions, ?that if someone provides a ride he will attend the demos with the signs." Either David G. or I have always made ourselves available when asked. So given AWARE isn?t disintegrating as I believed, the thing to do is increase the numbers of participants. I suggest?? > > I will be speaking at the Green Party Conference Saturday, and will take a few copies of flyers related to ?Who is AWARE? with our information. If you or any other member would like to have the flyers available for discreet circulation, please let me know upon arrival. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com Wed Oct 23 23:25:33 2019 From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 19:25:33 -0400 Subject: [Peace] =?utf-8?q?Sarah_Lazare=3A_Ben_Rhodes=E2=80=99_False_Aton?= =?utf-8?q?ement_for_the_Yemen_War?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: October 23, 2019 Ben Rhodes? False Atonement for the Yemen War Our failure to reckon with Obama-era atrocities?and why it matters. BY Sarah Lazare http://inthesetimes.com/article/22134/ben-rhodes-obama-yemen-war-saudi-arabia-democrats-intervention-trump -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at newsfromneptune.com Thu Oct 24 02:11:46 2019 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 21:11:46 -0500 Subject: [Peace] The Outcome is Chaos Message-ID: "Since Donald Trump became president many of his subordinates have tried to subvert his policies. Instead of implementing Trump's idea and preferences they have tried to implement their own. Some have done so because they believed that it is the "right thing to do" while others have ignored Trump's wishes to play their own game." https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/when-us-officials-ignore-their-president-the-outcome-is-chaos.html [Moon of Alabama is an independent news and current affairs internet forum and online discussion site covering topic of politics, philosophy, economics and the writings of blogger Billmon from Whiskey Bar, the name of the forum's predecessor. After Whiskey Bar closed on June 29, 2004, Moon Of Alabama was opened as an independent, open forum for members of the Whiskey Bar community. The user Bernhard started and still runs the forum with posts and art from regular contributors. The name of the original Whiskey Bar was taken from Bertolt Brecht's Alabama Song where the first line goes "Show me the way to the next whiskey bar" wheras the name Moon of Alabama was taken from the chorus"Oh, moon of Alabama...?.] ?CGE From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com Thu Oct 24 13:58:23 2019 From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 09:58:23 -0400 Subject: [Peace] World Bank: Saudi Arabia is top reformer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At first I thought this was satire. But apparently not. https://twitter.com/JustinSandefur/status/1187339843480834048 [image: image.png] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 345628 bytes Desc: not available URL: From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com Thu Oct 24 15:18:45 2019 From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 11:18:45 -0400 Subject: [Peace] _Now_ who believes in Article I of the Constitution? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Is this all we have so far? One out of 535? 534 Members of Congress now think that "protecting oil" is more important than Article I of the Constitution? Surely that can't be true? If it is true, that's clarifying. In 2001, I thought that Barbara Lee spoke for me. But that was eighteen years ago... ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Robert Naiman Date: Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 12:55 PM Subject: Bernie: "Putting U.S. forces in harm?s way for this purpose is illegal & unconstitutional." Please RT: https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/1187045900969009152 [image: image.png] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 240912 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jbw292002 at gmail.com Thu Oct 24 15:29:10 2019 From: jbw292002 at gmail.com (John W.) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 10:29:10 -0500 Subject: [Peace] _Now_ who believes in Article I of the Constitution? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:19 AM Robert Naiman via Peace < peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: Is this all we have so far? One out of 535? > > 534 Members of Congress now think that "protecting oil" is more important > than Article I of the Constitution? > > Surely that can't be true? > > If it is true, that's clarifying. > > In 2001, I thought that Barbara Lee spoke for me. > > But that was eighteen years ago... > She spoke for me, too. But Barbara Lee was also a lone voice crying in the wilderness. 'Twas ever thus. :-( > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Robert Naiman > Date: Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 12:55 PM > Subject: Bernie: "Putting U.S. forces in harm?s way for this purpose is > illegal & unconstitutional." > > Please RT: > > https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/1187045900969009152 > > [image: image.png] > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 240912 bytes Desc: not available URL: From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com Thu Oct 24 17:31:02 2019 From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 13:31:02 -0400 Subject: [Peace] CPC: "Congress has never authorized deploying troops in Syria to protect their oil fields" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bernie is not Standing Alone. Please RT: https://twitter.com/USProgressives/status/1187408447618322433 [image: image.png] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 78208 bytes Desc: not available URL: From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com Fri Oct 25 14:37:47 2019 From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 10:37:47 -0400 Subject: [Peace] Nat'l Review: Queen of the Warmongers may be back for 2020 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Let's be honest. Who doesn't want the Queen of the Warmongers to enter the 2020 race explicitly? The anti-warmonger forces would welcome the rematch. https://www.nationalreview.com/news/hillary-clinton-advisor-says-she-has-not-closed-the-door-on-2020-run/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Fri Oct 25 14:49:08 2019 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 14:49:08 +0000 Subject: [Peace] More unveiling of Hilary Message-ID: Hillary?s attack on Tulsi for speaking truth, has revealed Hillary for the monster she is, though anyone still liking Hillary after her cackling over the torture, death and destruction of Gaddafi and Libya, for which she as Secretary of State along with Obama the President was responsible, I don?t know. Evidently she is now promoting her book and articles with lies and propaganda, with some protesting but receiving no coverage. The media is still in the back pockets of the ruling elites. See below: Coleen Rowley/former FBI 27 mins Unbelievable! Please help me in demanding a retraction of such false news coverage by calling the Star Tribune's editor at 612 673-7299 and/or contacting the reporter, Torey Van Oot, at torey.vanoot at startribune.com or by posting comments under her horrible article (blatantly attempting to whitewash history). How could this reporter, so blindly fawning over Hillary Clinton, ignore the opposition to the Queen of Warmongers' appearance inside the (formerly peace-oriented) Methodist Church?! The writer claims "only Clinton supporters were in view" while our signs of opposition were prominently placed all around the entrance and were viewed by many in the lines of Clinton's fan club waiting for hours to get in. How could this Strib reporter highlight Clinton's telling the audience how important it is to be "kind" when she ruthlessly pushed in her recent positions of power as Senator and Secretary of State for the most strategically disastrous wars in U.S. history, ones that not only have taken the lives of millions of women, children and other civilians but which have led to thousands of PTSD-afflicted and suicidal veterans, created millions more refugees, created ISIS and increased many-fold the level of terrorism in the world?!How is it "gutsy" for Clinton, channeling Joe McCarthy and J. Edgar Hoover, to blacklist her fellow female presidential candidates Jill Stein and Tulsi Gabbard as "Russian assets"? How was it gutsy or kind to have labeled half of the people in the United States "deplorable?" Ignoring this awful hypocrisy--and all of our clearly-visible signs of opposition to Clinton and her war bloodlust-- would only be possible by the most brainwashed and blindly partisan of "news" coverage. I will be asking for a full retraction and submitting a letter to the editor but I'm not holding my breath unless we can show that there are more Americans who have not normalized this horrible state of war that Hillary and her neocon warhawk pals have ushered in. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbw292002 at gmail.com Fri Oct 25 15:18:21 2019 From: jbw292002 at gmail.com (John W.) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 10:18:21 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Nat'l Review: Queen of the Warmongers may be back for 2020 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 9:38 AM Robert Naiman via Peace < peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: Let's be honest. Who doesn't want the Queen of the Warmongers to enter the > 2020 race explicitly? The anti-warmonger forces would welcome the rematch. > Which forces are the anti-warmonger forces? > > > https://www.nationalreview.com/news/hillary-clinton-advisor-says-she-has-not-closed-the-door-on-2020-run/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com Fri Oct 25 15:56:28 2019 From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 11:56:28 -0400 Subject: [Peace] Nat'l Review: Queen of the Warmongers may be back for 2020 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As I see it, the anti-warmonger forces are the people who supported Bernie in 2016 because they opposed Hillary's warmongering at least as much as they wanted Medicare for All. On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:18 AM John W. wrote: > On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 9:38 AM Robert Naiman via Peace < > peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > > Let's be honest. Who doesn't want the Queen of the Warmongers to enter the >> 2020 race explicitly? The anti-warmonger forces would welcome the rematch. >> > > Which forces are the anti-warmonger forces? > > > > >> >> >> https://www.nationalreview.com/news/hillary-clinton-advisor-says-she-has-not-closed-the-door-on-2020-run/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbw292002 at gmail.com Fri Oct 25 18:09:18 2019 From: jbw292002 at gmail.com (John W.) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 13:09:18 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Nat'l Review: Queen of the Warmongers may be back for 2020 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 10:56 AM Robert Naiman wrote: As I see it, the anti-warmonger forces are the people who supported Bernie > in 2016 because they opposed Hillary's warmongering at least as much as > they wanted Medicare for All. > Fair enough, though it's difficult if not impossible to know their motivations. I think it's safe to say that Bernie would involve us in fewer wars. But he's old. War is as American - as human, in fact - as apple pie. > On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:18 AM John W. wrote: > >> On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 9:38 AM Robert Naiman via Peace < >> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: >> >> Let's be honest. Who doesn't want the Queen of the Warmongers to enter >>> the 2020 race explicitly? The anti-warmonger forces would welcome the >>> rematch. >>> >> >> Which forces are the anti-warmonger forces? >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> https://www.nationalreview.com/news/hillary-clinton-advisor-says-she-has-not-closed-the-door-on-2020-run/ >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace mailing list >>> Peace at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Fri Oct 25 23:19:12 2019 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 23:19:12 +0000 Subject: [Peace] Fwd: Updates: Kevin Zeese, Conference in Urbana Saturday! References: Message-ID: There have been some time changes: please see below: [Illinois Green Party] 2:30 ? 3:50: Panel: What is Eco-socialism? Illinois Green Party Co-Chair Rich Whitney, Illinois Green Party Secretary Chris Blankenhorn (Young Ecosocialists), Peter Sentz (computer science PhD student at UIUC and an organizer with the Party for Socialism and Liberation. Peter is also a member of the coordinating committee of the UIUC graduate employees' labor union, GEO, and organizes with the anti-imperialist ANSWER coalition (Act Now to Stop War and End Racism).) 3:50 ? 4:00: Break 4:00 ? 5:15: Panel: The Need for an Anti-Imperialist Peace Movement: Kevin Zeese, Karen Aram (AWARE, Prairie Greens), Dave Johnson (IWW, Prairie Greens) Professor Francis Boyle. Created with NationBuilder, the essential toolkit for leaders. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Fri Oct 25 23:50:43 2019 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 23:50:43 +0000 Subject: [Peace] "The Management of Savagery" from the Mint Press. Message-ID: The Management of Savagery October 22nd, 2019 By Roger D. Harris (Analysis) ? Destination Afghanistan was known as the big easy back in the halcyon days of the late 1960s. Hippies from throughout the affluent West hitchhiked to the capital, Kabul, where crash pads and hashish were cheap, and the locals were tolerant. Life appeared to be mellow in the scenic shadow of the Hindu Kush Himalayans. That was then. Now Afghanistan is engulfed in year 18 of the forever US war with no end in sight. The war has gotten so old ? the longest in US history ? that the Pentagon PR flacks changed the code name from Operation Enduring Freedom to Operation Freedom?s Sentinel to spruce up its image. Half of Kabul is now in rubble. Music, education for girls, and cultivation of opium poppies are prohibited in areas controlled by the former US-allied Taliban. US-backed warlords in the rest of this devastated land supply the majority of the world?s illicit heroin, visiting a plague of drug addiction on nearby Iran, China, and Russia ? official US enemies ? and on the ghettos, rural wastelands, and hipster dens of the West. US attempts at ?reconstruction? of Afghanistan have cost $117 billion, eclipsing the price tag of the entire Marshall Plan for Europe. [https://www.mintpressnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Fundraiser-Icon-400x2.jpg] So why is the US still in Afghanistan? The official explanation has something vaguely to do with the arch villain Osama bin Laden from Saudi Arabia who was last holed up in Pakistan before reportedly being assassinated by US special forces and unceremoniously dumped into the sea eight years ago. Max Blumenthal?s The Management of Savagery provides a far more cogent explanation for the US wars in Afghanistan along with Iraq, Somalia, Sudan, Yemen, Libya, and Syria with Iran on the to-do list (and may be on the war list by the time this article gets posted). Savagery reads like a real-life whodunit tracing the shadowy back channels of the CIA, FBI, DIA, and NSA piping jihadists around the greater Middle East to create chaos only to find their assets turning against them. Besides being well written, the analysis of the maturation of the neoliberal imperial project by the world?s sole remaining superpower illuminates the current bi-partisan consensus for militarism. The politics of chaos The collapse of the Soviet Union left a geopolitical power vacuum and an opportunity for the US to more aggressively exert its imperial will. The ensuing politics of chaos produced some strange bedfellows: ?human rights? thinktanks with Gulf monarchies, anti-Semites with Zionists, the US security state with jihadists, and neoconservatives with establishment liberals. Bin Laden, according to Savagery, had a master plan to create ?full chaos? in the greater Middle East, which he believed would precipitate the collapse of local regimes so that the culture of jihad could supersede them. Dovetailing this scenario was the neocon plan for regime change in regional states not subservient to US dictates and Israeli expansion. ?In the global war bin Laden envisioned,? Blumenthal reports, ?these [US] foreign policy fanatics would make the perfect partners.? Leading the charge were neocon Republicans like John Bolton and Elliot Abrams with the Project for the New American Century (PNAC), later to be joined by liberal Clinton Democrats. [John Bolton] President Bush stands with John Bolton, left, as he announces Bolton?s installation as United States ambassador to the United Nations, Aug. 1, 2005 in Washington, D.C. J. Scott Applewhite | AP Both foreign jihadists and domestic militarists needed a precipitating incident, what the PNAC envisioned as a ?catastrophic and catalyzing event.? That came with 9/11. Blumenthal finds credence that the US government likely had some foreknowledge of the attacks, but accuses some Truthers of inadvertently running interference ?for the imperialist power they claimed to disdain? by ?omitting any historical discussion of the American government?s relationship with the forces directly implicated in the attacks.? The Authorization for the Use of Military Force was passed just five days after 9/11 as a joint resolution of Congress with only one dissenting vote. ?Congress thus voluntarily abdicated its constitution authority and,? according to Blumenthal, ?gave its blessing to America?s forever war.? The Patriot Act followed a month later, ?granting the executive branch unprecedented wartime powers to investigate and prosecute Americans.? The neocons and the alt-right have been able to mainstream anti-Muslim politics in the US. Meanwhile the liberal ?responsibility to protect? (R2P) doctrine has created popular support for forever war ?by weaponizing the discourse of human rights to justify the use of force against governments that resisted the Washington consensus.? The R2P liberals achieved what the right could not. ?In the era of Russiagate, when so many liberals cling to institutions like the FBI and NATO as guardians of their survival,? Blumenthal explains, ?the dastardly record of America?s national security mandarins has been wiped clean.? The forever wars are ?marketed to the Western public as clinical exercises in freedom-spreading? with a ?dual layer patina of patriotic hoopla [for the right] and humanitarian goodwill [for the liberals].? [Mohammed bin Salman | Trump] President Trump shows a chart highlighting arms sales to Saudi Arabia during a meeting with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman in the Oval Office, March 20, 2018. Evan Vucci | AP The refugee crises coming out of the Middle East, generated by the forever wars and accompanying economic sanctions (more accurately, illegal unilateral coercive measures), have consequently fueled xenophobia both in the US and abroad. This, in turn, has fostered an ascendant wave of rightists. ?Trump?s election,? Blumenthal contends, ?would not have been possible without 9/11 and the subsequent military interventionism conceived by the national security state.? The national security state did not arise with Trump, but ?has maintained a steady continuity between successive administrations.? Unwanted refugees are not the only inconvenient byproduct of the forever wars in the greater Middle East. The US security state?s alliance with jihadists to overthrow the Soviet-friendly government in Afghanistan ? a pattern which is has been repeated in each subsequent Middle Eastern misadventure ? has created a ?disposal problem? of what to do with these US-armed combatants. For Americans, the tragedy of 9/11 was just the most dramatic example of the ?disposal problem.? ?The plague of international jihadism that the United States helped to unleash through its covert interventionism in Cold War-era Afghanistan,? Blumenthal warns, ?was to expand and metastasize?? The neoliberal imperial project, a symbiotic association of liberal ?military humanism? and rightwing straight-up militarism, is now showing signs of undoing according to Blumenthal: ?Through covert operations and overt invasions, America?s national security state had destabilized entire regions, from the Levant to North Africa, unleashed a migration crisis of unprecedented proportions onto Europe and spurred an inevitable right-wing backlash that was unraveling the neoliberal consensus they sought to protect.? Critical reviews In a critical review of Savagery, Louis Proyect finds himself ?in agreement? on Afghanistan and Libya but not on Syria. Proyect rejects the analysis that the purpose of the US is or ever was regime change of the Assad government in Syria: ?with the regime still intact, it might be obvious that this was never the goal.? Proyect dismisses what otherwise the purpose of the US war effort might be with a ?let?s leave that aside.? In contrast, regime change is the central thesis of Blumenthal?s book. Proyect accuses Blumenthal of being ?one of Assad?s biggest supporters on the left,? though a reading of Savagery would suggest Blumenthal is not an apologist for the governments targeted by the US for regime change. In an interview after his recent visit to Syria, Blumenthal commented: ?Whether or not Syria is a dictatorship or a police state; I would not dispute that at all.? Rather, the focus of Savagery is on the policies and actions of the US and its allies, the deleterious effects it has had on the people of the region, and the blowback it has had at home. A critique in the Times Literary Supplement, from a liberal ?humanitarian imperialism? point of view, kvetches: ?It is easy to blame the United States for many of the world?s ills: easy because of the availability of evidence. It is also easy to overstate your case, with misleading or one-sided examples ? the trap that Max Blumenthal falls into in The Management of Savagery.? Which raises the question of why, given ?the availability of evidence,? the TLS and its co-conspirators in the corporate media unerringly fall into the opposite trap of being sycophants of the Empire? Why have they failed to connect the dots, as Blumenthal has, and shown ?how America?s national security state fueled the rise of Al Qaeda, ISIS, and Donald Trump?? Roger D. Harris is a human rights activist who recently visited Syria for an international conference on the impacts of economic sanctions by the US and its allies on over 30 countries in the world. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com Sun Oct 27 06:04:10 2019 From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 02:04:10 -0400 Subject: [Peace] Art Theater, which failed First Amendment test, closes its doors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://www.facebook.com/robert.naiman/posts/10158766962282656 I am so, so glad, so grateful to myself, that I never called for a boycott of the Art. Now, nobody can blame me for this. These people did this to themselves. This is what happens to a public-facing institution when it is taken over by the enemies of the First Amendment. The First Amendment. It's not just a good idea. It's the Law. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbw292002 at gmail.com Sun Oct 27 06:09:09 2019 From: jbw292002 at gmail.com (John W.) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 01:09:09 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Art Theater, which failed First Amendment test, closes its doors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm almost terrified to ask: In what way were the owners/operators of the Art Theater the "enemies of the First Amendment"? On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:04 AM Robert Naiman via Peace < peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: https://www.facebook.com/robert.naiman/posts/10158766962282656 > > I am so, so glad, so grateful to myself, that I never called for a boycott > of the Art. Now, nobody can blame me for this. These people did this to > themselves. This is what happens to a public-facing institution when it is > taken over by the enemies of the First Amendment. The First Amendment. It's > not just a good idea. It's the Law. > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com Sun Oct 27 06:39:22 2019 From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 02:39:22 -0400 Subject: [Peace] Art Theater, which failed First Amendment test, closes its doors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: They wouldn't let me rent the theater to show a movie, because I was not "politically correct." Even though the website said that anyone could rent the theater to show a movie. Even though I brought them a check, for the amount of money that the website said it cost to rent the theater to show a movie. On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 2:09 AM John W. wrote: > > I'm almost terrified to ask: In what way were the owners/operators of the > Art Theater the "enemies of the First Amendment"? > > > > On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:04 AM Robert Naiman via Peace < > peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > > https://www.facebook.com/robert.naiman/posts/10158766962282656 >> >> I am so, so glad, so grateful to myself, that I never called for a >> boycott of the Art. Now, nobody can blame me for this. These people did >> this to themselves. This is what happens to a public-facing institution >> when it is taken over by the enemies of the First Amendment. The First >> Amendment. It's not just a good idea. It's the Law. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Oct 27 11:28:28 2019 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 11:28:28 +0000 Subject: [Peace] Fwd: [New post] In A Society Built On War, We Must Do More Than Just Prefer Peace References: <139971992.7296.0@wordpress.com> Message-ID: New post on Caitlin Johnstone [https://i1.wp.com/caitlinjohnstone.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/cropped-caitlinpic1.jpg?resize=32%2C32&ssl=1] [http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/12152988a68a6d4dae7506812444c18f?s=50&d=monsterid&r=G] In A Society Built On War, We Must Do More Than Just Prefer Peace by Caitlin Johnstone American activist Angela Davis once said, "In a racist society it is not enough to be non-racist, we must be anti-racist.? Our responsibility to truth and justice isn't fulfilled by merely witnessing the perverse tendency in western society toward white supremacy without participating in it, any more than our responsibility is fulfilled by merely witnessing but not participating in a gang rape. Simply choosing not to participate in a grave injustice while giving it our tacit permission to continue is insufficient, especially if the color of your skin gives you an advantage resulting from that injustice. This injustice must be forcefully opposed. The same is true of war, which is the glue that holds together the empire which dominates our society. There is a painfully common notion among leftists and progressives that it is perfectly acceptable to focus on domestic policy while de-emphasising the importance of foreign policy, or even ignoring foreign policy entirely. Politicians can generate immense support for themselves simply by promoting decent domestic policies while maintaining foreign policy that is not terribly distinct from the CIA/CNN mainstream consensus. I'm not as familiar with right-wing political circles, but I gather that libertarians and other right-leaning anti-interventionists often encounter a similar deprioritization of sane foreign policy. War is the worst thing in the world. In terms of death, destruction and suffering caused to human beings, nothing else comes close: it's just the absolute worst thing. It is worse than economic injustice. It is worse than racism. It is worse than sexism. It is worse than homophobia and transphobia. It is worse than draconian drug policies and immigration policies. All of those things are bad. War is worse. The politics of anyone who claims to care about people should reflect this. If you don't think that war is the worst thing in the world, it's only because you haven't looked closely enough at exactly what it is and how it works. Wars always necessarily involve not just mountains of human corpses, but lives ruined forever, bodies ripped apart, brains permanently destroyed by neurological trauma and minds permanently destroyed by psychological trauma, millions displaced from their homes, rape and slavery and human trafficking rising exponentially in the chaos, extremist factions rising to power and inflicting unspeakable evils on people. The suffering that is inflicted by every one of these military operations which get promoted by middle-aged men in DC think tanks in a casual tone of voice with the occasional joke mixed in, the suffering is literally unfathomable. We live in a civilization that was built by war. A civilization that is currently propped up by war. A civilization that has its future mapped out with war as its career and war as its retirement plan. The political and economic system which dictates the way our society moves and operates has its roots sunk deep into the soil of war. The only thing separating us from the wars our government is waging in our name is physical proximity. In such a society, it is not enough to merely not be a warmonger. It is not enough to simply have a preference for peace. Our responsibility to truth and justice does not end in our non-participation in warmongering, because the wars go on regardless. In fact, those who are responsible for keeping the wars going would much prefer that we didn't think too hard about them. Because they know that if we thought with lucid intellectual honesty about the horrors that our civilization is unleashing upon the world every single day, we would find this entire system intolerable. It is the responsibility of anyone who wants to be a good person, anyone who wants to be a just person, anyone who wants to be a truthful and authentic person to stand in ferocious opposition to this system. To look closely at what's being done by your government and its allies overseas, to learn as much as you can about it, and to oppose it loudly and forcefully. This is more important than any other political agenda you could possibly fight for. If you don't undertake it you have no basis on which to call yourself a good person, a just person, or a truthful or authentic person. You're just another tacit facilitator. ________________________ Thanks for reading! The best way to get around the internet censors and make sure you see the stuff I publish is to subscribe to the mailing list for my website, which will get you an email notification for everything I publish. My work is entirely reader-supported, so if you enjoyed this piece please consider sharing it around, liking me on Facebook, following my antics on Twitter, checking out my podcast on either Youtube, soundcloud, Apple podcasts or Spotify, following me on Steemit, throwing some money into my hat on Patreon or Paypal, purchasing some of my sweet merchandise, buying my new book Rogue Nation: Psychonautical Adventures With Caitlin Johnstone, or my previous book Woke: A Field Guide for Utopia Preppers. For more info on who I am, where I stand, and what I'm trying to do with this platform, click here. Everyone, racist platforms excluded, has my permission to republish or use any part of this work (or anything else I?ve written) in any way they like free of charge. [https://steemitimages.com/640x0/https://i0.wp.com/steemitimages.com/0x0/https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/0*VDvfq6m943JQbqLO.png?w=1060&ssl=1] Bitcoin donations:1Ac7PCQXoQoLA9Sh8fhAgiU3PHA2EX5Zm2 Caitlin Johnstone | October 27, 2019 at 1:24 am | Tags: antiwar, government, peace, Politics, war | Categories: Article | URL: https://wp.me/p9tj6M-1TG Comment See all comments Unsubscribe to no longer receive posts from Caitlin Johnstone. Change your email settings at Manage Subscriptions. Trouble clicking? Copy and paste this URL into your browser: https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2019/10/27/in-a-society-built-on-war-we-must-do-more-than-just-prefer-peace/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbn at forestfield.org Sun Oct 27 21:08:12 2019 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 16:08:12 -0500 Subject: [Peace] News from Neptune #438 notes Message-ID: <21ded78c-4d34-7bca-5719-0764042e597d@forestfield.org> News from Neptune #438 Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgwqjsQkQ2c A "U.S. Government Censorship and Torture" edition A list of links to items referenced on the show. 2019 Illinois Green Party Fall Meeting http://www.ilgp.org/2019_fall_meeting Johnny Most's quote "Havlicek stole the ball" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havlicek_stole_the_ball "Speakers at UI sexual-harassment summit: Sexual 'coercion' just tip of iceberg" https://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/university-illinois/speakers-at-ui-sexual-harassment-summit-sexual-coercion-just-tip/article_55dcd57a-18d5-54bd-9c4f-b4c1a62b50ec.html Julie Wurth's News-Gazette articles https://www.news-gazette.com/users/profile/julie%20wurth/ C. G. Estabrook Letter to the Editor regarding News-Gazette?s feature ?Those Who Served? weekly feature https://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/letters-editor/letter-to-the-editor-u-s-has-killed-millions-in/article_87b213e5-9f21-5acf-8f54-df41b18d026d.html "A People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn Complete text as textual chapters: https://www.historyisaweapon.com/zinnapeopleshistory.html Complete text as a PDF and other whole-book formats: http://library.uniteddiversity.coop/More_Books_and_Reports/Howard_Zinn-A_peoples_history_of_the_United_States.pdf https://mvlindsey.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/peoples-history-zinn-1980.pdf https://libcom.org/library/peoples-history-of-united-states-howard-zinn Maj. Danny Sjursen, USA (ret.) on "Crackpot Congress: The Hyper-Hypocrisy of the Syria Vote" https://original.antiwar.com/danny_sjursen/2019/10/21/crackpot-congress-the-hyper-hypocrisy-of-the-syria-vote/ Other Maj. Danny Sjursen articles: https://original.antiwar.com/author/danny_sjursen/ History of how the US treats the Kurds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAfyTftDSMk -- RT report on the history of how the US treats the Kurds including a reference to Henry Kissinger's quote. Jim Dey on "In addressing anti-Semitism issue, UI chancellor becomes issue" https://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/columns/jim-dey-in-addressing-anti-semitism-issue-ui-chancellor-becomes/article_c671ec5b-7ae4-5bf4-9333-105e32a27009.html Jim Dey's News-Gazette articles https://www.news-gazette.com/users/profile/jim%20dey/ David Green on "Israel?s Dead Soul: Steven Salaita?s critical scholarship explains his dismissal from the University of Illinois" https://mondoweiss.net/2014/10/scholarship-dismissal-university/ David Green's Mondoweiss.net articles https://mondoweiss.net/author/david-green/ Oscar Grenfell on "Julian Assange?s court hearing in London: Britain stages a lawless show-trial" https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/10/24/pers-o24.html Related: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/10/assange-in-court/ -- Craig Murray's blog Caitlin Johnstone on "Only Cowards And Sadists Support The Persecution Of Assange" https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/only-cowards-and-sadists-support-the-persecution-of-assange-b717b1b07dfe Nils Melzer, UN Special Rapporteur on Torture, reports on Julian Assange's treatment concluding it is torture https://medium.com/@njmelzer/demasking-the-torture-of-julian-assange-b252ffdcb768 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLXzudMCyM4 -- John Pilger interview with Afshin Rattansi https://lists.chambana.net/pipermail/peace-discuss/2019-October/051440.html -- a partial transcript of the Pilger interview in the notes J.B. Nicholson's notes https://lists.chambana.net/pipermail/peace-discuss/2019-October/051440.html From niloofar.peace at gmail.com Sun Oct 27 23:44:58 2019 From: niloofar.peace at gmail.com (Niloofar Shambayati) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 18:44:58 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Art Theater, which failed First Amendment test, closes its doors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Since they fired Austin McCain, I knew it was doomed to fail. And, pulling down the iconic painting in the lobby too! Niloofar Shambayati On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:40 AM Robert Naiman via Peace < peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > They wouldn't let me rent the theater to show a movie, because I was not > "politically correct." Even though the website said that anyone could rent > the theater to show a movie. Even though I brought them a check, for the > amount of money that the website said it cost to rent the theater to show a > movie. > > > > On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 2:09 AM John W. wrote: > >> >> I'm almost terrified to ask: In what way were the owners/operators of >> the Art Theater the "enemies of the First Amendment"? >> >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:04 AM Robert Naiman via Peace < >> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: >> >> https://www.facebook.com/robert.naiman/posts/10158766962282656 >>> >>> I am so, so glad, so grateful to myself, that I never called for a >>> boycott of the Art. Now, nobody can blame me for this. These people did >>> this to themselves. This is what happens to a public-facing institution >>> when it is taken over by the enemies of the First Amendment. The First >>> Amendment. It's not just a good idea. It's the Law. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace mailing list >>> Peace at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >>> >> _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From divisek at yahoo.com Mon Oct 28 00:46:10 2019 From: divisek at yahoo.com (Dianna Visek) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 00:46:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace] Art Theater, which failed First Amendment test, closes its doors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1203110921.1970841.1572223570430@mail.yahoo.com> What did they have against Austin?? I will miss the place, First Amendment or not. Dianna On Sunday, October 27, 2019, 6:46:16 PM CDT, Niloofar Shambayati via Peace wrote: Since they fired Austin McCain, I knew it was doomed to fail. And, pulling down the iconic painting in the lobby too! Niloofar Shambayati? On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:40 AM Robert Naiman via Peace wrote: They wouldn't let me rent the theater to show a movie, because I was not "politically correct." Even though the website said that anyone could rent the theater to show a movie. Even though I brought them a check, for the amount of money that the website said it cost to rent the theater to show a movie.? On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 2:09 AM John W. wrote: I'm almost terrified to ask:? In what way were the owners/operators of the Art Theater the "enemies of the First Amendment"? On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:04 AM Robert Naiman via Peace wrote: https://www.facebook.com/robert.naiman/posts/10158766962282656 I am so, so glad, so grateful to myself, that I never called for a boycott of the Art. Now, nobody can blame me for this. These people did this to themselves. This is what happens to a public-facing institution when it is taken over by the enemies of the First Amendment. The First Amendment. It's not just a good idea. It's the Law.? _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com Mon Oct 28 13:40:00 2019 From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 09:40:00 -0400 Subject: [Peace] Matt Taibbi @RollingStone: We're all Russian assets now In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The quality of U.S. political discourse appears to have ripened to the Advanced Schoolyard Taunt phase. "You're a Russian asset!" "I know you are, but what am I?" "You're Putin's puppet!" "I'm rubber, you're glue! Whatever you say to me, bounces off and sticks to you!" The faithful subjects of the Queen of the Warmongers are Flooding the Zone with this stuff. They're deliberately polluting the discourse in the hopes of preventing anyone from using the discourse to end any wars. History repeats itself, Uncle Whiskers said. The first time as tragedy, the second time as farce. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/clinton-gabbard-russian-asset-jill-stein-901593/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moboct1 at aim.com Mon Oct 28 14:13:49 2019 From: moboct1 at aim.com (Mildred O'brien) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 14:13:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace] Art Theater, which failed First Amendment test, closes its doors In-Reply-To: <1203110921.1970841.1572223570430@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1203110921.1970841.1572223570430@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1097943288.2189850.1572272029099@mail.yahoo.com> The First Amendment applies to Congress not making?no law -----Original Message----- From: Dianna Visek via Peace To: Robert Naiman ; Niloofar Shambayati Cc: peace Sent: Sun, Oct 27, 2019 7:47 pm Subject: Re: [Peace] Art Theater, which failed First Amendment test, closes its doors What did they have against Austin?? I will miss the place, First Amendment or not. Dianna On Sunday, October 27, 2019, 6:46:16 PM CDT, Niloofar Shambayati via Peace wrote: Since they fired Austin McCain, I knew it was doomed to fail. And, pulling down the iconic painting in the lobby too! Niloofar Shambayati? On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:40 AM Robert Naiman via Peace wrote: They wouldn't let me rent the theater to show a movie, because I was not "politically correct." Even though the website said that anyone could rent the theater to show a movie. Even though I brought them a check, for the amount of money that the website said it cost to rent the theater to show a movie.? On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 2:09 AM John W. wrote: I'm almost terrified to ask:? In what way were the owners/operators of the Art Theater the "enemies of the First Amendment"? On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:04 AM Robert Naiman via Peace wrote: https://www.facebook.com/robert.naiman/posts/10158766962282656 I am so, so glad, so grateful to myself, that I never called for a boycott of the Art. Now, nobody can blame me for this. These people did this to themselves. This is what happens to a public-facing institution when it is taken over by the enemies of the First Amendment. The First Amendment. It's not just a good idea. It's the Law.? _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moboct1 at aim.com Mon Oct 28 14:15:53 2019 From: moboct1 at aim.com (Mildred O'brien) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 14:15:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace] Art Theater, which failed First Amendment test, closes its doors In-Reply-To: <1097943288.2189850.1572272029099@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1203110921.1970841.1572223570430@mail.yahoo.com> <1097943288.2189850.1572272029099@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <480652533.2176476.1572272153836@mail.yahoo.com> That is, Congress making "no law..."? (cancel the double negative) -----Original Message----- From: Mildred O'brien via Peace To: divisek ; naiman.uiuc ; niloofar.peace Cc: peace Sent: Mon, Oct 28, 2019 9:14 am Subject: Re: [Peace] Art Theater, which failed First Amendment test, closes its doors The First Amendment applies to Congress not making?no law -----Original Message----- From: Dianna Visek via Peace To: Robert Naiman ; Niloofar Shambayati Cc: peace Sent: Sun, Oct 27, 2019 7:47 pm Subject: Re: [Peace] Art Theater, which failed First Amendment test, closes its doors What did they have against Austin?? I will miss the place, First Amendment or not. Dianna On Sunday, October 27, 2019, 6:46:16 PM CDT, Niloofar Shambayati via Peace wrote: Since they fired Austin McCain, I knew it was doomed to fail. And, pulling down the iconic painting in the lobby too! Niloofar Shambayati? On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:40 AM Robert Naiman via Peace wrote: They wouldn't let me rent the theater to show a movie, because I was not "politically correct." Even though the website said that anyone could rent the theater to show a movie. Even though I brought them a check, for the amount of money that the website said it cost to rent the theater to show a movie.? On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 2:09 AM John W. wrote: I'm almost terrified to ask:? In what way were the owners/operators of the Art Theater the "enemies of the First Amendment"? On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:04 AM Robert Naiman via Peace wrote: https://www.facebook.com/robert.naiman/posts/10158766962282656 I am so, so glad, so grateful to myself, that I never called for a boycott of the Art. Now, nobody can blame me for this. These people did this to themselves. This is what happens to a public-facing institution when it is taken over by the enemies of the First Amendment. The First Amendment. It's not just a good idea. It's the Law.? _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon Oct 28 14:37:46 2019 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 14:37:46 +0000 Subject: [Peace] Art Theater, which failed First Amendment test, closes its doors In-Reply-To: <480652533.2176476.1572272153836@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1203110921.1970841.1572223570430@mail.yahoo.com> <1097943288.2189850.1572272029099@mail.yahoo.com>, <480652533.2176476.1572272153836@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Is or was the Art Theatre a Public owned or private owned entity. The article in Smile Politely implies private ownership, if so then 1St. Amend. does not apply. Sent on my Virgin Mobile Phone. ------ Original message------ From: Mildred O'brien via Peace Date: Mon, Oct 28, 2019 9:16 AM To: divisek at yahoo.com;naiman.uiuc at gmail.com;niloofar.peace at gmail.com; Cc: peace at lists.chambana.net; Subject:Re: [Peace] Art Theater, which failed First Amendment test, closes its doors That is, Congress making "no law..." (cancel the double negative) -----Original Message----- From: Mildred O'brien via Peace To: divisek ; naiman.uiuc ; niloofar.peace Cc: peace Sent: Mon, Oct 28, 2019 9:14 am Subject: Re: [Peace] Art Theater, which failed First Amendment test, closes its doors The First Amendment applies to Congress not making no law -----Original Message----- From: Dianna Visek via Peace To: Robert Naiman ; Niloofar Shambayati Cc: peace Sent: Sun, Oct 27, 2019 7:47 pm Subject: Re: [Peace] Art Theater, which failed First Amendment test, closes its doors What did they have against Austin? I will miss the place, First Amendment or not. Dianna On Sunday, October 27, 2019, 6:46:16 PM CDT, Niloofar Shambayati via Peace wrote: Since they fired Austin McCain, I knew it was doomed to fail. And, pulling down the iconic painting in the lobby too! Niloofar Shambayati On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:40 AM Robert Naiman via Peace > wrote: They wouldn't let me rent the theater to show a movie, because I was not "politically correct." Even though the website said that anyone could rent the theater to show a movie. Even though I brought them a check, for the amount of money that the website said it cost to rent the theater to show a movie. On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 2:09 AM John W. > wrote: I'm almost terrified to ask: In what way were the owners/operators of the Art Theater the "enemies of the First Amendment"? On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:04 AM Robert Naiman via Peace > wrote: https://www.facebook.com/robert.naiman/posts/10158766962282656 I am so, so glad, so grateful to myself, that I never called for a boycott of the Art. Now, nobody can blame me for this. These people did this to themselves. This is what happens to a public-facing institution when it is taken over by the enemies of the First Amendment. The First Amendment. It's not just a good idea. It's the Law. _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at newsfromneptune.com Mon Oct 28 16:16:08 2019 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 11:16:08 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Fwd: On trial for exposing Planned Parenthood References: <1877542122.5138328.1571832070940@mail.patheos.com> Message-ID: > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Patheos - Thomas More Society > Subject: On trial for exposing Planned Parenthood > Date: October 23, 2019 at 7:01:10 AM CDT > To: "Friend" > Reply-To: Patheos - Thomas More Society > > > This email was sent on behalf of Thomas More Society > Our thought-provoking newsletters are supported by our advertising sponsors. > Patheos does not necessarily endorse the views they express or the products/services they offer. > > Dear Friend, > > Planned Parenthood has drawn a line in the sand. They are not a healthcare organization that advocates for public policy when necessary. > > Planned Parenthood is a political machine, hell-bent on imposing their radical abortion agenda on America. > > And sparks are flying in San Francisco now that the trial of Planned Parenthood's outrageous lawsuit against pro-life hero David Daleiden is underway. > > David Daleiden is the pro-life citizen journalist who spent 30 months leading an undercover investigation that captured video evidence of Planned Parenthood conspiring to illegally harvest and sell aborted baby body parts. > > Planned Parenthood is seeking monetary "triple damages" plus over a million dollars for repayment of its attorneys' fees from David for his having exposed their horrific and illegal money-making scheme. > > That's right. Planned Parenthood is suing David. NOT the other way around! > > And they want the judge to order a permanent injunction (a ?gag order?) prohibiting David from ever releasing the rest of his video evidence of Planned Parenthood?s criminal wrongdoing. > > You see, David Daleiden poses the biggest threat to the abortion industry since Roe v. Wade ? so the radical abortion industry will do whatever it takes to silence him. > > That's why I'm asking you to make an emergency donation to help the Thomas More Society defend David Daleiden against Planned Parenthood. > > My friend, the reality is... > > You couldn't be there when David entered the dark underbelly of the abortion industry ? sitting across the table from abortionists haggling over the price of baby body parts with cold-blooded clarity... "I want a Lamborghini." > > You couldn't be there as David saw with his own eyes the preborn children who had been killed with great precision to preserve their organs for maximum profit. > > You couldn't be there when the videos were released and Planned Parenthood and their allies conspired to crush David with trumped up legal charges and an armed raid on his home in which they seized laptops, hard-drives, and recording equipment. > > And you couldn't be there with David when he appeared in both Texas and California for booking and processing ? fingerprinted and photographed for mug-shots like a common criminal. (But our criminal defense team was there!) > > But, now, this is the reality... there is something you can do to help vindicate this pro-life hero. > > My name is Tom Brejcha. I'm the President and Chief Counsel of the Thomas More Society ? a not-for-profit law firm underwriting and helping to spearhead David's civil and criminal defense. > > The Thomas More Society is proud to defend many of the most renowned leaders in America's pro-life movement... > > ...because when dark forces like Planned Parenthood unleash their full might to legally, financially and personally destroy our clients ? we fight back. > > And I have to tell you, even with the abortion industry?s efforts to destroy David?s livelihood and future, this young man?s spirits remain high. Of course, I've never known anyone in this kind of position who didn't feel an empty pit in his stomach. > > But David's not giving up. And he never will do so! In fact, I know he sees this as yet another opportunity to drag more of Planned Parenthood's dark criminality into the spotlight. > > My friend, that's what David set out to do ? and that's what you and I can make sure he continues doing by winning this legal battle. > > Now I'll get right down to it... We anticipate all of the costs associated with David's legal defense to exceed $5,000,000. That's right, FIVE MILLION DOLLARS. > > You see, it's not just this one legal battle we're fighting. > > Altogether David has been sued or prosecuted six times! Already we defeated a two-count felony and misdemeanor criminal case brought by the District Attorney of Harris County (Houston), Texas at the behest of Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast. And another nasty civil case brought by a baby body parts broker, Stem Express, in Los Angeles was dismissed. > > And we were just in California Criminal Court with David defending him against the 15 felony charges the Attorney General?s office filed against him in a politically motivated witch-hunt. (The Judge threw out one of the charges but will not issue his ruling on the rest until later this October.) > > As if that?s not enough, David still faces two separate racketeering (RICO) > civil lawsuits in federal court in San Francisco, California, and a third in federal court up in Seattle. > > And to make matters worse, the U.S. Supreme Court has declined to hear our appeal of the unjust "gag order" preliminary injunction that, at least until the trial, prohibits David from releasing more of his videos exposing the abortion giant's evil! > > But Planned Parenthood has millions of dollars to spend on lawyers and lobbyists ? and they'll stop at nothing to silence David and prevent the truth from coming out. > > That's why we urgently need your financial support today. > > And that's why I'm praying you will use this link to make an emergency contribution of $35, $50, $100 or more to help the Thomas More Society defend David Daleiden against Planned Parenthood and their radical allies. > > This truly is a "David versus Goliath" type of battle ? with Planned Parenthood, the Attorney General of California, and their allies arrayed against our "David." > > It's a grave injustice that David is the one going on trial while Planned Parenthood (so far, at least) has gone unpunished. > > But by helping David defeat the lawsuits (and the felony charges)... you and I can allow him to continue with his incredibly important lifesaving work. > > So please make your emergency contribution of $35, $50, $100 or more today. > > I know David will be deeply touched and encouraged by your generous support. > > May God bless you, > > > Tom Brejcha > President & Chief Counsel > > > > The Thomas More Society is a not-for-profit, national public interest law firm dedicated to restoring respect in law for life, family, and religious liberty. > > Please consider supporting our efforts with a generous, tax-deductible donation. > ? Thomas More Society | www.thomasmoresociety.org > 309 W. Washington Street Suite 1250, Chicago, IL 60606 > > HOME | PRIVACY POLICY | SUBSCRIPTION CENTER | UNSUBSCRIBE > This email was sent because cgestabrook at gmail.com has opted-in to receive special offers from Patheos. You may opt-out at any time by clicking the unsubscribe link above. Please allow up to 10 days for your email to be removed. > > 2037 Laskin Road Virginia Beach, VA 23454 > > Report Abuse to abuse at patheos.com . > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com Mon Oct 28 17:14:41 2019 From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 13:14:41 -0400 Subject: [Peace] American Bar Ass'n presses Congress to end Saudi war in Yemen on NDAA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/administrative/government_affairs_office/aba-fy20-ndaa-oct-19.pdf October 25, 2019 The Honorable James Inhofe, Chairman The Honorable Jack Reed, Ranking Member Committee on Armed Services, United States Senate, Washington, DC 20510 The Honorable Adam Smith, Chairman The Honorable Mac Thornberry, Ranking Member Committee on Armed Services, U.S. House of Representatives, Washington, DC 20515 Dear Chairman Inhofe, Ranking Member Reed, Chairman Smith, and Ranking Member Thornberry: On behalf of the American Bar Association (ABA), I express our support for several provisions of the House version of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) (H.R. 2500) for FY2020. *Specifically, we urge you to retain the provisions in the final FY2020 NDAA which address the war in Yemen (H.R. 2500, Sections 1099X and 1270).* We also urge the retention of the provisions regarding the killing of Saudi journalist, Jamal Khashoggi (H.R. 2500, Subtitle K). The ABA,which is the largest voluntary association of lawyers and legal professionals in the world, regards human rights and the rule of law as cornerstones of a free and just society and is committed to strengthening them in the United States and internationally. In August, we adopted policy urging the United States to enforce fully and consistently the Arms Export Control Act (AECA) and the Foreign Assistance Act (FAA), particularly the human rights provisions thereof. The House-passed version of the NDAA contains several provisions that would help ensure compliance with both these laws and respect for human rights as they relate to hostilities in Yemen. As you know, the conflict in Yemen has created the largest humanitarian disaster in the world today, with over 14 million people at risk of famine. According to the UN Panel of Experts on Yemen, serious violations of international law have been committed by many parties to the conflict, including the Saudi-led coalition.1 These violations have been at times, according to the panel, ?widespread and systematic? and resulted in thousands of civilian deaths.2 International law prohibits indiscriminate or disproportionate strikes on civilians and the use of force in a manner that is not necessary to achieve legitimate military objectives. Section 3 of the October 25, 2019 Page 2 of 3 AECA requires the suspension of security assistance to partners who use U.S. assistance for unauthorized purposes, including the use of force in a manner that is not necessary and proportionate to legitimate self-defense needs.3 The FAA prohibits the provision of security assistance to governments that engage in a consistent pattern of gross violations of internationally recognized human rights or restricts the delivery of U.S. humanitarian assistance.4 *Section 1099X* Section 1099X of the House-passed NDAA would prohibit for one year the export of air-to-ground munitions to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. The UN Panel of Experts identified incidents where U.S.-origin air-to-ground munitions were used by the Saudi-led coalition in strikes that were ?almost certain[ly]? illegal.5 Human Rights Watch recently reported that unlawful strikes by the Saudi-led coalition continue to occur.6 Inclusion of Section 1099X as currently drafted in the final bill would help ensure compliance with the AECA and FAA, as well as the United States? international treaty obligations. *Section 1270* Several provisions in Section 1270 of the House-passed bill would also help ensure compliance with the AECA and the FAA. Section 1270N would prohibit in-flight refueling for the next two years to non-U.S. aircraft engaged in hostilities in Yemen. The Saudi-led coalition relies on U.S. in-flight refueling to carry out airstrikes in Yemen. The UN Panel of Experts identified a significant number of unlawful airstrikes by the Saudi-led coalition.7 This provision is needed to ensure that U.S. assistance is not used in furtherance of unlawful strikes. Section 1270F would prohibit the use of special-acquisition funds to support the conduct of hostilities in Yemen. Section 1270G would ensure that the Congress has the opportunity to review proposed sales of defense articles to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. Section 1270H would prohibit support for certain military operations in Yemen, including the provision of spare parts that could be used in unlawful airstrikes. *Subtitle K* The ABA policy adopted in August also urges the United States to impose sanctions and other appropriate punitive measures against every person directly or indirectly responsible for the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi and to seek their prosecution in proceedings that are consistent with international law. Subtitle K of the House-passed bill would begin that accountability process. It would require the Director of National Intelligence to submit a report to Congress to determine those responsible for or complicit in the killing and would revoke or deny visas for those individuals. October 25, 2019 Page 3 of 3 The aforementioned provisions of the House-passed NDAA send the message that the United States is committed to the just rule of law and accountability for serious violations of international human rights and humanitarian law. We urge you to include them in the final NDAA for FY 2020. Sincerely, Judy Perry Martinez 1 Final Report of the Panel of Experts on Yemen in accordance with paragraph 6 of Resolution 2266 (2016), January 23, 2017, S/2018/193, https://www.undocs.org/S/2018/193. 2 id. at 3 3 22 U.S.C. 2753(a). See also Michael Newton (LTC U.S. Army ret.), An Assessment of the Legality of Arms Sales to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia in the Context of the Conflict in Yemen, VANDERBILT LAWRESEARCH PAPER NO.17-26 (19 May 2017). 4 22 U.S.C. 2204(a)(2). 5 UN Panel of Experts report, supranote 1, at 34.6 World Report 2019, Human Rights Watch, https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/saudi-arabia. 7 UN Panel of Experts report, supra note 1, at 45. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com Mon Oct 28 17:52:12 2019 From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 13:52:12 -0400 Subject: [Peace] Ro Khanna: Congress never authorized troops in Syria. This is unconstitutional. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://www.facebook.com/RepRoKhanna/posts/1129870167212701 [image: image.png] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 274897 bytes Desc: not available URL: From carl at newsfromneptune.com Mon Oct 28 18:23:17 2019 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 13:23:17 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Fwd: On trial for exposing Planned Parenthood In-Reply-To: References: <1877542122.5138328.1571832070940@mail.patheos.com> Message-ID: Including those conceived but not yet born. > On Oct 28, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Lois Steinberg wrote: > > Reproductive freedom for all. > > Love > Lois > >> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 11:17 AM C. G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: >> >> >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> >>> From: Patheos - Thomas More Society >>> Subject: On trial for exposing Planned Parenthood >>> Date: October 23, 2019 at 7:01:10 AM CDT >>> To: "Friend" >>> Reply-To: Patheos - Thomas More Society >>> >>> >>> This email was sent on behalf of Thomas More Society >>> Our thought-provoking newsletters are supported by our advertising sponsors. >>> Patheos does not necessarily endorse the views they express or the products/services they offer. >>> >>> Dear Friend, >>> >>> Planned Parenthood has drawn a line in the sand. They are not a healthcare organization that advocates for public policy when necessary. >>> >>> Planned Parenthood is a political machine, hell-bent on imposing their radical abortion agenda on America. >>> >>> And sparks are flying in San Francisco now that the trial of Planned Parenthood's outrageous lawsuit against pro-life hero David Daleiden is underway. >>> >>> David Daleiden is the pro-life citizen journalist who spent 30 months leading an undercover investigation that captured video evidence of Planned Parenthood conspiring to illegally harvest and sell aborted baby body parts. >>> >>> Planned Parenthood is seeking monetary "triple damages" plus over a million dollars for repayment of its attorneys' fees from David for his having exposed their horrific and illegal money-making scheme. >>> >>> That's right. Planned Parenthood is suing David. NOT the other way around! >>> >>> And they want the judge to order a permanent injunction (a ?gag order?) prohibiting David from ever releasing the rest of his video evidence of Planned Parenthood?s criminal wrongdoing. >>> >>> You see, David Daleiden poses the biggest threat to the abortion industry since Roe v. Wade ? so the radical abortion industry will do whatever it takes to silence him. >>> >>> That's why I'm asking you to make an emergency donation to help the Thomas More Society defend David Daleiden against Planned Parenthood. >>> >>> My friend, the reality is... >>> >>> You couldn't be there when David entered the dark underbelly of the abortion industry ? sitting across the table from abortionists haggling over the price of baby body parts with cold-blooded clarity... "I want a Lamborghini." >>> >>> You couldn't be there as David saw with his own eyes the preborn children who had been killed with great precision to preserve their organs for maximum profit. >>> >>> You couldn't be there when the videos were released and Planned Parenthood and their allies conspired to crush David with trumped up legal charges and an armed raid on his home in which they seized laptops, hard-drives, and recording equipment. >>> >>> And you couldn't be there with David when he appeared in both Texas and California for booking and processing ? fingerprinted and photographed for mug-shots like a common criminal. (But our criminal defense team was there!) >>> >>> But, now, this is the reality... there is something you can do to help vindicate this pro-life hero. >>> >>> My name is Tom Brejcha. I'm the President and Chief Counsel of the Thomas More Society ? a not-for-profit law firm underwriting and helping to spearhead David's civil and criminal defense. >>> >>> The Thomas More Society is proud to defend many of the most renowned leaders in America's pro-life movement... >>> >>> ...because when dark forces like Planned Parenthood unleash their full might to legally, financially and personally destroy our clients ? we fight back. >>> >>> And I have to tell you, even with the abortion industry?s efforts to destroy David?s livelihood and future, this young man?s spirits remain high. Of course, I've never known anyone in this kind of position who didn't feel an empty pit in his stomach. >>> >>> But David's not giving up. And he never will do so! In fact, I know he sees this as yet another opportunity to drag more of Planned Parenthood's dark criminality into the spotlight. >>> >>> My friend, that's what David set out to do ? and that's what you and I can make sure he continues doing by winning this legal battle. >>> >>> Now I'll get right down to it... We anticipate all of the costs associated with David's legal defense to exceed $5,000,000. That's right, FIVE MILLION DOLLARS. >>> >>> You see, it's not just this one legal battle we're fighting. >>> >>> Altogether David has been sued or prosecuted six times! Already we defeated a two-count felony and misdemeanor criminal case brought by the District Attorney of Harris County (Houston), Texas at the behest of Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast. And another nasty civil case brought by a baby body parts broker, Stem Express, in Los Angeles was dismissed. >>> >>> And we were just in California Criminal Court with David defending him against the 15 felony charges the Attorney General?s office filed against him in a politically motivated witch-hunt. (The Judge threw out one of the charges but will not issue his ruling on the rest until later this October.) >>> >>> As if that?s not enough, David still faces two separate racketeering (RICO) >>> civil lawsuits in federal court in San Francisco, California, and a third in federal court up in Seattle. >>> >>> And to make matters worse, the U.S. Supreme Court has declined to hear our appeal of the unjust "gag order" preliminary injunction that, at least until the trial, prohibits David from releasing more of his videos exposing the abortion giant's evil! >>> >>> But Planned Parenthood has millions of dollars to spend on lawyers and lobbyists ? and they'll stop at nothing to silence David and prevent the truth from coming out. >>> >>> That's why we urgently need your financial support today. >>> >>> And that's why I'm praying you will use this link to make an emergency contribution of $35, $50, $100 or more to help the Thomas More Society defend David Daleiden against Planned Parenthood and their radical allies. >>> >>> This truly is a "David versus Goliath" type of battle ? with Planned Parenthood, the Attorney General of California, and their allies arrayed against our "David." >>> >>> It's a grave injustice that David is the one going on trial while Planned Parenthood (so far, at least) has gone unpunished. >>> >>> But by helping David defeat the lawsuits (and the felony charges)... you and I can allow him to continue with his incredibly important lifesaving work. >>> >>> So please make your emergency contribution of $35, $50, $100 or more today. >>> >>> I know David will be deeply touched and encouraged by your generous support. >>> >>> May God bless you, >>> >>> >>> Tom Brejcha >>> President & Chief Counsel >>> >>> >>> >>> The Thomas More Society is a not-for-profit, national public interest law firm dedicated to restoring respect in law for life, family, and religious liberty. >>> >>> Please consider supporting our efforts with a generous, tax-deductible donation. >>> >>> ? Thomas More Society | www.thomasmoresociety.org >>> 309 W. Washington Street Suite 1250, Chicago, IL 60606 >>> >>> HOME | PRIVACY POLICY | SUBSCRIPTION CENTER | UNSUBSCRIBE >>> This email was sent because cgestabrook at gmail.com has opted-in to receive special offers from Patheos. You may opt-out at any time by clicking the unsubscribe link above. Please allow up to 10 days for your email to be removed. >>> >>> 2037 Laskin Road Virginia Beach, VA 23454 >>> >>> Report Abuse to abuse at patheos.com. >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com Mon Oct 28 20:45:16 2019 From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 16:45:16 -0400 Subject: [Peace] Brett McGurk: unless Trump has new lawyers, Syrian oil belongs to Syria In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I love how the NYT takes Trump at his word in this article. Trump says we're going to take and keep the Syrian oil. Could we actually do that? No, the NYT concludes, we couldn't actually do that. It would be too blatantly illegal, because it's open and shut in international law that the oil belongs to the Syrian government. Because it would be too blatantly illegal, too risky, too difficult, not profitable enough anyway, no U.S. oil company is going to touch that oil. How are you going to enforce that claim? How are you going to enforce that contract? Not even the World Bank's investor-to-state dispute resolution mechanism could enforce that contract. Not even oil industry guy Rex Tillerson could figure out how to do it. Note that purported "adult in the room" *Lindsey Graham* is reported to be a key driver and enthusiastic supporter of this "keep the oil" gambit. Perhaps Trump is inadvertently [*?*] helping us by failing to "translate" U.S. foreign military policy it into appropriate American Exceptionalism fairy tales for U.S. pundit consumption, the way a "normal" U.S. President is supposed to. How many more blows can American Exceptionalism take from Trump before it collapses into the dustbin of history? https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/26/us/politics/trump-syria-oil-fields.html ?Keep the Oil?: Trump Revives Charged Slogan for New Syria Troop Mission After dismissing Syria as a land of ?sand and death,? Mr. Trump is redeploying American troops around its oil fields. *But how the U.S. might benefit from them is unclear.* By Michael Crowley Oct. 26, 2019 [...] But in recent days, Mr. Trump has settled on Syria?s oil reserves as a new rationale for appearing to reverse course and deploy hundreds of additional troops to the war-ravaged country. He has declared that the United States has ?secured? oil fields in the country?s chaotic northeast and suggested that the seizure of the country?s main natural resource justifies America further extending its military presence there. [...] Trump?s message is puzzling to *former government officials* and Middle East analysts who say that controlling Syria?s oil fields ? *which are the legal property of the Syrian government* ? poses numerous practical, legal and political obstacles. They also warn that Mr. Trump?s discourse, which revives language he often used during the 2016 campaign to widespread condemnation, could confirm the world?s worst suspicions about American motives in the region. [*Oh no!*] A Russian Defense Ministry official on Saturday denounced Mr. Trump?s action as ?state banditry.? [...] Pentagon officials said on Friday that the United States would deploy several hundred troops to guard oil fields in eastern Syria, despite Mr. Trump?s repeated boasts that he is bringing American soldiers home from Syria. *Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper* said that the United States would ?*maintain a reduced presence in Syria to deny ISIS access to oil revenue*,? leaving what military officials said would be about 500 troops in the country, down from about 2,000 a year ago. [*What Trump is "supposed" to be saying.*] [...] His change in thinking follows multiple conversations with *Senator Lindsey Graham*, Republican of South Carolina, who talks frequently with the president and has *long pushed for a greater American presence in Syria*, for reasons like fighting the Islamic State in the region and checking the influence of Russia and Iran. [*Kudos to NYT for use of the phrase "for reasons like" in this sentence. We're not really sure what Lindsey Graham's true motivations are.]* Mr. Trump has also consulted on the subject with the *former Army vice chief of staff, Jack Keane*, [*google "Jack Keane MEK"*] who visited the White House in mid-October and showed the president a map of Syria illustrating that *70 percent of the country?s oil fields are in areas in the northeast that have been under American control*. [*What a happy coincidence! God loves us!*] Mr. Keane, who declined to comment, has also warned that the oil fields risk falling into the hands of Iranian proxies in the region. Mr. Graham, too, contends that American control of the oil fields would ?deny Iran and Assad a monetary windfall,? as he put it in a statement last week. But *Mr. Graham has taken the argument a step further, to suggest that Syrian oil could go into American coffers*, as Mr. Trump once implied for Iraq. *?We can also use some of the revenue from oil sales to pay for our military commitment in Syria,? Mr. Graham added.* Last week, Mr. Trump offered a variation on that idea, saying that ?we?ll work something out with the Kurds so that they have some money, they have some cash flow.? He added that he might ?get one of our big oil companies to go in and do it properly.? But *energy and security experts say it is unlikely that any American companies would be interested in the enormous risks and limited profits such an arrangement would entail. Even at its peak, Syrian oil production was modest. And any short-term revenue potential is severely limited by logistical challenges posed by infrastructure damaged by war, pipelines that run into unfriendly areas and the unusually low grade of the oil itself.* Talk of monetizing the Syrian oil also diverges from the message of top Trump administration officials, including *Mr. Esper, who said last week that the American mission in Syria was unchanged from its original purpose* of defeating the Islamic State. [*Got that? Unchanged from its original purpose under Obama. So says Mr. Esper. Who you gonna believe, me or your lyin' eyes?*] But the president has repeatedly boasted that the militant group has already been defeated. And although ISIS currently controls no territory, and is *little threat to the oil reserves*, experts warn that it *could* regenerate. [*"And I'm going to be 40!" "When?" "Someday!"*] *Framing control of oil as part of the fight against ISIS, however, may provide cover for an action motivated, at least in part, for reasons that analysts say have no basis in domestic or international law.* [*Aha! We found it! The lead paragraph of the article!]* ?Esper is being very careful to say this is about ISIS. *And that?s because the legality is being framed around ISIS*,? said Aaron Stein, an expert on Syria and Turkey with the Foreign Policy Research Institute. [*So we have one story for people who get their news from cable TV, and another story for the judges and the lawyers.*] When the Obama administration sent troops to Syria to fight the Islamic State several years ago, it relied on the authorization of military force passed by Congress days after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, which gave the government broad authority to battle Al Qaeda and affiliated groups. *The Trump administration has invoked the same authorization for its own activities in Syria*, despite many critics arguing that *even the previous administration overreached* in citing it to cover the battle against the Islamic State in Syria. Then there is the basic question of the oil?s ownership. *?Oil, like it or not, is owned by the Syrian state,? Brett H. McGurk, Mr. Trump?s former envoy to the 70-nation coalition to defeat ISIS, said at a panel discussion on Syria hosted Monday by the Foundation for Defense of Democracies.* Mr. McGurk said that Mr. Trump?s first secretary of state, Rex W. *Tillerson, had studied the issue and concluded there was no practical way for the United States to monetize its control over oil-rich areas.* [*Even the oil industry guy says we can't do it.*] *?Maybe there are new lawyers now, but it was just illegal for an American company to go and seize and exploit these assets,? Mr. McGurk said. * Mr. McGurk said the only legal way to make money from the Syrian oil fields would be to work with Russia and the government of President Bashar al-Assad of Syria to place the revenue into an escrow account to help fund Syria?s postwar reconstruction. But he said Russia had little interest in the idea, even before America assumed a diminished role in the country this month. Nor has Mr. Trump expressed any public interest in using the oil to fund Syria?s reconstruction. *Mr. Stein said he believed the true goal of some Trump administration officials and advisers was to keep the oil fields not from ISIS but from Mr. Assad?s forces, to deny him funds to rebuild his country and thus ensure that Syria remained a financial burden on its ally, Iran.* In recent days, hostile foreign governments have seized on Mr. Trump?s commentary as evidence of America?s sinister motives. On Saturday, a spokesman for Russia?s Defense Ministry, Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov, said that ?what Washington is doing now, the seizure and control of oil fields in eastern Syria under its armed control, is, quite simply, international state banditry.? And Iran?s state-controlled Fars News Agency wrote that while Washington ?claims that the move is in the line with its alleged antiterror campaign in Syria, analysts see it no more than an excuse to impose control over Syria?s oil revenues.? [*The sneaky Russians and the sneaky Iranians cleverly seized on the opportunity to claim that the reporting of the New York Times is true.*] *Mr. Riedel doubted that the president would wind up insisting on control of the oil fields.* Beyond the many military, technical and legal challenges, there are the optics to consider. ?Let?s say he does do it,? Mr. Riedel said. ?Let?s say we establish the precedent that we are in the Middle East to take the oil. The symbolism is really bad.? [*Clearly this guy is unfit to be President. He can't even read from the Blob's teleprompter.*] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuartnlevy at gmail.com Mon Oct 28 21:14:32 2019 From: stuartnlevy at gmail.com (Stuart Levy) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 16:14:32 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Please move this to peace-discuss or elsewhere -- was Re: Art Theater, which failed First Amendment test, closes its doors In-Reply-To: References: <1203110921.1970841.1572223570430@mail.yahoo.com> <1097943288.2189850.1572272029099@mail.yahoo.com> <480652533.2176476.1572272153836@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Please, all, this has become a discussion, not an announcement of the sort that the Peace list is intended for. ?? Move it and other discussions off the Peace list onto Peace-discuss or elsewhere. In general, please think carefully before replying on the Peace list to a message that arrived on the Peace list. On 10/28/19 9:37 AM, Karen Aram via Peace wrote: > > Is or was the Art Theatre a Public owned or private owned entity. The > article in Smile Politely implies private ownership, if so then 1St. > Amend. does not apply.? > > > Sent on my Virgin Mobile Phone. > > > ------ Original message------ > > *From: *Mildred O'brien via Peace > > *Date: *Mon, Oct 28, 2019 9:16 AM > > *To: *divisek at yahoo.com;naiman.uiuc at gmail.com;niloofar.peace at gmail.com; > > *Cc: *peace at lists.chambana.net; > > *Subject:*Re: [Peace] Art Theater, which failed First Amendment test, > closes its doors > > > That is, Congress making "no law..."? (cancel the double negative) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mildred O'brien via Peace > To: divisek ; naiman.uiuc ; > niloofar.peace > Cc: peace > Sent: Mon, Oct 28, 2019 9:14 am > Subject: Re: [Peace] Art Theater, which failed First Amendment test, > closes its doors > > > The First Amendment applies to Congress not making?no law > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dianna Visek via Peace > To: Robert Naiman ; Niloofar Shambayati > > Cc: peace > Sent: Sun, Oct 27, 2019 7:47 pm > Subject: Re: [Peace] Art Theater, which failed First Amendment test, > closes its doors > > What did they have against Austin?? I will miss the place, First > Amendment or not. > > Dianna > > On Sunday, October 27, 2019, 6:46:16 PM CDT, Niloofar Shambayati via > Peace wrote: > > > Since they fired Austin McCain, I knew it was doomed to fail. And, > pulling down the iconic painting in the lobby too! > > Niloofar Shambayati? > > On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:40 AM Robert Naiman via Peace > > wrote: > > They wouldn't let me rent the theater to show a movie, because I > was not "politically correct." Even though the website said that > anyone could rent the theater to show a movie. Even though I > brought them a check, for the amount of money that the website > said it cost to rent the theater to show a movie.? > > > > On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 2:09 AM John W. > wrote: > > > I'm almost terrified to ask:? In what way were the > owners/operators of the Art Theater the "enemies of the First > Amendment"? > > > > On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:04 AM Robert Naiman via Peace > > > wrote: > > https://www.facebook.com/robert.naiman/posts/10158766962282656 > > I am so, so glad, so grateful to myself, that I never > called for a boycott of the Art. Now, nobody can blame me > for this. These people did this to themselves. This is > what happens to a public-facing institution when it is > taken over by the enemies of the First Amendment. The > First Amendment. It's not just a good idea. It's the Law.? > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com Mon Oct 28 21:51:20 2019 From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 17:51:20 -0400 Subject: [Peace] Hillel: "Special Alumni (and parent) update" [on alleged anti-Semitism at UIUC] In-Reply-To: <1133388401383.1011270028042.3318.0.761713JL.2002@scheduler.constantcontact.com> References: <1133388401383.1011270028042.3318.0.761713JL.2002@scheduler.constantcontact.com> Message-ID: It's striking how much more balanced the News-Gazette article is than the Hillel email to alumni and parents. And how reasonable the intervention of UI faculty member Bruce Rosenstock, "who teaches a course on the history of anti-Semitism for the Jewish Culture and Society Program," was compared to the intervention of the UI Administration. https://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/university-illinois/we-have-a-problem-as-a-community-chancellor-s-email/article_cd6c6aea-4a65-5bcc-9867-c3480f3d4c66.html ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Erez Cohen Date: Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 5:13 PM Subject: Special Alumni (and parent) update To: The Cold Has Hit Illini Hillel but Its Warm Inside! Dear Alumni and Parents, I wanted to give you an update about the happenings on campus since Chancellor Jones sent out the MassMail condemning Anti-Semitism on campus at the end of Yom Kippur. The email addressed two anti-Semitic incidents: 1. Swastikas that have been found in campus buildings 2. An antisemitic presentation during a mandatory staff meeting for dorm RA's. The workshop was led by a multicultural advocate (University-paid student worker) in the mandatory weekly RA meeting. Particularly troubling are the points equating Israelis with terrorism; isolating Jews as the only group living in Israel; and promoting martyrdom - the glorification of death which includes the celebration of suicide bombers and other terror attacks. Chancellor Jones denounced the anti-Semitic content and said the university will investigate the matter. Since his announcement, Chancellor Jones has been under attack from anti-Israel and anti-Semitic sources. Including aggressive confrontations during in the University Senate . Students for Justice in Palestine introduced a student senate resolution denouncing the Chancellor. This resolution titled, "Condemning Ignorance of Racism and Equating Anti-Zionism with Anti-Semitism," claims that anti-Zionism cannot be anti-Semitism. None of the authors of the resolution are Jewish, nor were any Jewish students or organizations consulted in the drafting of the resolution. Our students are currently leading the charge on informing the campus that only Jews can define anti-Semitism. It is disheartening to see our students being subjected to hateful rhetoric and be targeted for their identity. Our staff and student leadership work continuously to support the Jewish students on campus. We cannot stand by when those who promote hate against us then attempt to define anti-Semitism. We recommend supporting the University's decision to take action by writing to the Chancellor . This is a step in the right direction. We all look forward to seeing the Administration fulfill their commitment to review the steps that led to these events and institute anti-Semitism training on campus that will be developed by experts from the Jewish community. Thank you for all your support in this difficult period. Shabbat shalom! Erez Cohen, Executive Director We can't wait to welcome you to this year's Homecoming celebration THIS WEEKEND! If you'll be in town, please join us for a Shabbat meal on Friday Night or Bagel Brunch Sunday morning! Shabbat Services - October 18th at 6:00 p.m. Shabbat Dinner - October 18th at 7:00 p.m. Shabbat Lunch - October 19th at 12:30 p.m. Bagel Brunch - October 20th from 11:30 a.m.-1:30 p.m. Wishing years of happiness to... - Mazel Tov to Noam and Carmel Segal on the birth of their baby boy - Mazel Tov to Eitan and Marissa Barlaz on the birth of their baby boy - Mazel Tov to Jessica Ost on her marriage to Max Sloan - Mazel Tov to Gabriel Shechter and Molly Rosman on their engagement - Mazel Tov to Sam Siner and Zoe Sjogerman MAZEL TOV! *Are we missing a Simcha?* Tell us all about it here and we will include it in the next email. *Make a donation in honor of someone special. * Make a donation to Hillel and we will send an acknowledgment card to the honoree. *Matt Hill* *What year did you graduate?* 2016 *What were you involved with during your time at Illinois? * I was Vice President as part of Illinois Student Government! *Where are you living and working? * Philadelphia, PA. I'm the Deputy National Press Secretary for Joe Biden's Presidential Campaign! *What's your favorite Illinois memory?* When Vice President Joe Biden hosted a rally on campus to raise awareness for the It's On Us campaign, which raised awareness about sexual assault prevention on college campuses. Calling All Alumni! Want to get more connected with the Jewish Alumni Network and learn about Jewish events going on in the Chicago and Champaign areas? Follow our new Instagram and join our Facebook group and stay up to date. Please fill out this form if you need to update your contact info or if you believe there is an alumni who should be receiving this email as well. Get connected to the Jewish Alumni Network: Join the Facebook Group . Join the LinkedIn Group . Follow the Instagram . *Sponsor a student coffee date* Want to donate but don't feel like you can make a difference? Coffee dates to the rescue! For as little as $5, you can sponsor taking a student out for coffee . Please join us in our first ever monthly giving campaign, Take A Student Out! Here you can sponsor coffee dates, dinners, and even holiday celebrations for our students. We will charge your gift at the beginning of every month, so you won't even have to think about it. In December we will send you a donation acknowledgement letter for tax purposes. Your support is 100% tax deductible. Check out other great stuff you can sponsor here . *Donate to a specific program here* Want to sponsor an event? Click here to do so! Hillel hosts a slew of programs to enrich, empower and enable our students to experience Jewish life at the University of Illinois. Thanks to the support we receive from the Jewish United Fund, The Champaign-Urbana Jewish Federation and supportive foundations, every dollar that you give goes to cover the costs of our program. Know someone who might enjoy this email? Share it with them. Did someone share this email with you? Sign up to receive more of our emails. [image: Illini Hillel] UIUC Hillel | Margie K. and Louis N. Cohen Center for Jewish Life | 217.344.1328 | erez at illinihillel.org | http://www.illinihillel.org [image: Facebook] [image: Twitter] [image: View on Instagram] UIUC Hillel | Margie K. and Louis N. Cohen Center for Jewish Life, 503 E. John Street, Champaign, IL 61820 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbw292002 at gmail.com Mon Oct 28 22:25:03 2019 From: jbw292002 at gmail.com (John W.) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 17:25:03 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Hillel: "Special Alumni (and parent) update" [on alleged anti-Semitism at UIUC] In-Reply-To: References: <1133388401383.1011270028042.3318.0.761713JL.2002@scheduler.constantcontact.com> Message-ID: Here's a perfect example. Peace-discuss, yo, from the get-go. It ain't an announcement. On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 4:52 PM Robert Naiman via Peace < peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: It's striking how much more balanced the News-Gazette article is than the > Hillel email to alumni and parents. > > And how reasonable the intervention of UI faculty member Bruce Rosenstock, > "who teaches a course on the history of anti-Semitism for the Jewish > Culture and Society Program," was compared to the intervention of the UI > Administration. > > > https://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/university-illinois/we-have-a-problem-as-a-community-chancellor-s-email/article_cd6c6aea-4a65-5bcc-9867-c3480f3d4c66.html > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Erez Cohen > Date: Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 5:13 PM > Subject: Special Alumni (and parent) update > To: > > > The Cold Has Hit Illini Hillel but Its Warm Inside! > > > > Dear Alumni and Parents, > > I wanted to give you an update about the happenings on campus since > Chancellor Jones sent out the MassMail condemning Anti-Semitism > > on campus at the end of Yom Kippur. > The email addressed two anti-Semitic incidents: > 1. Swastikas that have been found in campus buildings > 2. An antisemitic presentation during a mandatory staff meeting for dorm > RA's. The workshop was led by a multicultural advocate (University-paid > student worker) in the mandatory weekly RA meeting. > > Particularly troubling are the points equating Israelis with terrorism; > isolating Jews as the only group living in Israel; and promoting martyrdom > - the glorification of death which includes the celebration of suicide > bombers and other terror attacks. > > Chancellor Jones denounced the anti-Semitic content and said the > university will investigate the matter. Since his announcement, Chancellor > Jones has been under attack from anti-Israel and anti-Semitic sources. > Including aggressive confrontations during in the University Senate > . > > > Students for Justice in Palestine introduced a student senate > resolution denouncing the Chancellor. This resolution titled, "Condemning > Ignorance of Racism and Equating Anti-Zionism with Anti-Semitism," claims > that anti-Zionism cannot be anti-Semitism. None of the authors of the > resolution are Jewish, nor were any Jewish students or organizations > consulted in the drafting of the resolution. Our students are currently > leading the charge on informing the campus that only Jews can define > anti-Semitism. > > It is disheartening to see our students being subjected to hateful > rhetoric and be targeted for their identity. Our staff and student > leadership work continuously to support the Jewish students on campus. We > cannot stand by when those who promote hate against us then attempt to > define anti-Semitism. > > We recommend supporting the University's decision to take action by writing > to the Chancellor > . > This is a step in the right direction. We all look forward to seeing the > Administration fulfill their commitment to review the steps that led to > these events and institute anti-Semitism training on campus that will be > developed by experts from the Jewish community. > > Thank you for all your support in this difficult period. Shabbat shalom! > > Erez Cohen, Executive Director > > > > > > We can't wait to welcome you to this year's Homecoming celebration THIS > WEEKEND! If you'll be in town, please join us for a Shabbat meal on Friday > Night or Bagel Brunch Sunday morning! > > Shabbat Services - October 18th at 6:00 p.m. > Shabbat Dinner - October 18th at 7:00 p.m. > Shabbat Lunch - October 19th at 12:30 p.m. > Bagel Brunch - October 20th from 11:30 a.m.-1:30 p.m. > > > > > Wishing years of happiness to... > > - Mazel Tov to Noam and Carmel Segal on the birth of their baby boy > - Mazel Tov to Eitan and Marissa Barlaz on the birth of their baby boy > - Mazel Tov to Jessica Ost on her marriage to Max Sloan > - Mazel Tov to Gabriel Shechter and Molly Rosman on their engagement > - Mazel Tov to Sam Siner and Zoe Sjogerman > > MAZEL TOV! > *Are we missing a Simcha?* > Tell us all about it here > > and we will include it in the next email. > *Make a donation in honor of someone special. * > Make a donation > > to Hillel and we will send an acknowledgment card to the honoree. > > > > > *Matt Hill* > *What year did you graduate?* > 2016 > > *What were you involved with during your time at Illinois? * > > I was Vice President as part of Illinois Student Government! > > *Where are you living and working? * > Philadelphia, PA. I'm the Deputy National Press Secretary for > Joe Biden's Presidential Campaign! > > *What's your favorite Illinois memory?* > When Vice President Joe Biden hosted a rally on campus to raise awareness > for the It's On > Us campaign, which raised awareness about sexual assault prevention on > college campuses. > > > > > > > Calling All Alumni! > Want to get more connected with the Jewish Alumni Network and learn about > Jewish events going on in the Chicago and Champaign areas? Follow our new > Instagram > > and join our Facebook group > > and stay up to date. > > Please fill out this form > > if you need to update your contact info or if you believe there is an > alumni who should be receiving this email as well. > Get connected to the Jewish Alumni Network: > Join the Facebook Group > > . > Join the LinkedIn Group > > . > Follow the Instagram > > . > > > *Sponsor a student coffee date* > Want to donate but don't feel like you can make a difference? Coffee dates > to the rescue! For as little as $5, you can sponsor taking a student out > for coffee > > . > > Please join us in our first ever monthly giving campaign, Take A Student > Out! Here you can sponsor coffee dates, dinners, and even holiday > celebrations for our students. We will charge your gift at the beginning of > every month, so you won't even have to think about it. In December we will > send you a donation acknowledgement letter for tax purposes. Your support > is 100% tax deductible. Check out other great stuff you can sponsor here > > . > > *Donate to a specific program here* > Want to sponsor an event? Click here > > to do so! Hillel hosts a slew of programs to enrich, empower and enable > our students to experience Jewish life > > at the University of Illinois. Thanks to the support we receive from the > Jewish United Fund, The Champaign-Urbana Jewish Federation and supportive > foundations, every dollar that you give goes to cover the costs of our > program. > > > Know someone who might enjoy this email? Share it > > with them. > Did someone share this email with you? Sign up > > to receive more of our emails. > > [image: Illini Hillel] > > > > > UIUC Hillel | Margie K. and Louis N. Cohen Center for Jewish Life | > 217.344.1328 | erez at illinihillel.org | http://www.illinihillel.org > > [image: Facebook] > > [image: Twitter] > > [image: View on Instagram] > > > UIUC Hillel | Margie K. and Louis N. Cohen Center for Jewish Life, > 503 E. John Street, Champaign, IL 61820 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brussel at illinois.edu Mon Oct 28 23:38:30 2019 From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 23:38:30 +0000 Subject: [Peace] Hillel: "Special Alumni (and parent) update" [on alleged anti-Semitism at UIUC] In-Reply-To: References: <1133388401383.1011270028042.3318.0.761713JL.2002@scheduler.constantcontact.com> Message-ID: Fake news! On Oct 28, 2019, at 5:25 PM, John W. via Peace > wrote: Here's a perfect example. Peace-discuss, yo, from the get-go. It ain't an announcement. On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 4:52 PM Robert Naiman via Peace > wrote: It's striking how much more balanced the News-Gazette article is than the Hillel email to alumni and parents. And how reasonable the intervention of UI faculty member Bruce Rosenstock, "who teaches a course on the history of anti-Semitism for the Jewish Culture and Society Program," was compared to the intervention of the UI Administration. https://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/university-illinois/we-have-a-problem-as-a-community-chancellor-s-email/article_cd6c6aea-4a65-5bcc-9867-c3480f3d4c66.html ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Erez Cohen > Date: Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 5:13 PM Subject: Special Alumni (and parent) update To: > The Cold Has Hit Illini Hillel but Its Warm Inside! [https://files.constantcontact.com/a0b04647be/36480223-8ab0-4989-b528-d82da0acf2c8.png] Dear Alumni and Parents, I wanted to give you an update about the happenings on campus since Chancellor Jones sent out the MassMail condemning Anti-Semitism on campus at the end of Yom Kippur. The email addressed two anti-Semitic incidents: 1. Swastikas that have been found in campus buildings 2. An antisemitic presentation during a mandatory staff meeting for dorm RA's. The workshop was led by a multicultural advocate (University-paid student worker) in the mandatory weekly RA meeting. Particularly troubling are the points equating Israelis with terrorism; isolating Jews as the only group living in Israel; and promoting martyrdom - the glorification of death which includes the celebration of suicide bombers and other terror attacks. Chancellor Jones denounced the anti-Semitic content and said the university will investigate the matter. Since his announcement, Chancellor Jones has been under attack from anti-Israel and anti-Semitic sources. Including aggressive confrontations during in the University Senate. Students for Justice in Palestine introduced a student senate resolution denouncing the Chancellor. This resolution titled, "Condemning Ignorance of Racism and Equating Anti-Zionism with Anti-Semitism," claims that anti-Zionism cannot be anti-Semitism. None of the authors of the resolution are Jewish, nor were any Jewish students or organizations consulted in the drafting of the resolution. Our students are currently leading the charge on informing the campus that only Jews can define anti-Semitism. It is disheartening to see our students being subjected to hateful rhetoric and be targeted for their identity. Our staff and student leadership work continuously to support the Jewish students on campus. We cannot stand by when those who promote hate against us then attempt to define anti-Semitism. We recommend supporting the University's decision to take action by writing to the Chancellor. This is a step in the right direction. We all look forward to seeing the Administration fulfill their commitment to review the steps that led to these events and institute anti-Semitism training on campus that will be developed by experts from the Jewish community. Thank you for all your support in this difficult period. Shabbat shalom! Erez Cohen, Executive Director [https://files.constantcontact.com/a0b04647be/da64a874-26ea-4bf2-a29c-caa524ab6032.png] We can't wait to welcome you to this year's Homecoming celebration THIS WEEKEND! If you'll be in town, please join us for a Shabbat meal on Friday Night or Bagel Brunch Sunday morning! Shabbat Services - October 18th at 6:00 p.m. Shabbat Dinner - October 18th at 7:00 p.m. Shabbat Lunch - October 19th at 12:30 p.m. Bagel Brunch - October 20th from 11:30 a.m.-1:30 p.m. [https://files.constantcontact.com/a0b04647be/23a617ef-3da3-4adc-a960-e5ee91be0bd6.png] Wishing years of happiness to... * Mazel Tov to Noam and Carmel Segal on the birth of their baby boy * Mazel Tov to Eitan and Marissa Barlaz on the birth of their baby boy * Mazel Tov to Jessica Ost on her marriage to Max Sloan * Mazel Tov to Gabriel Shechter and Molly Rosman on their engagement * Mazel Tov to Sam Siner and Zoe Sjogerman MAZEL TOV! Are we missing a Simcha? Tell us all about it here and we will include it in the next email. Make a donation in honor of someone special. Make a donation to Hillel and we will send an acknowledgment card to the honoree. [https://files.constantcontact.com/a0b04647be/42dd1577-e3ea-45b1-9e25-9cd18a2f3802.png] [https://files.constantcontact.com/a0b04647be/f5aa0577-f5f0-46fc-9e8d-2c0b092210d4.jpg] Matt Hill What year did you graduate? 2016 What were you involved with during your time at Illinois? I was Vice President as part of Illinois Student Government! Where are you living and working? Philadelphia, PA. I'm the Deputy National Press Secretary for Joe Biden's Presidential Campaign! What's your favorite Illinois memory? When Vice President Joe Biden hosted a rally on campus to raise awareness for the It's On Us campaign, which raised awareness about sexual assault prevention on college campuses. [https://files.constantcontact.com/a0b04647be/7fe7c50d-1376-445b-b77d-9303636e2a1c.png] Calling All Alumni! Want to get more connected with the Jewish Alumni Network and learn about Jewish events going on in the Chicago and Champaign areas? Follow our new Instagram and join our Facebook group and stay up to date. Please fill out this form if you need to update your contact info or if you believe there is an alumni who should be receiving this email as well. Get connected to the Jewish Alumni Network: Join the Facebook Group. Join the LinkedIn Group. Follow the Instagram. [https://files.constantcontact.com/a0b04647be/631f9273-9635-4370-85a0-b216238a0d2d.png] Sponsor a student coffee date Want to donate but don't feel like you can make a difference? Coffee dates to the rescue! For as little as $5, you can sponsor taking a student out for coffee. Please join us in our first ever monthly giving campaign, Take A Student Out! Here you can sponsor coffee dates, dinners, and even holiday celebrations for our students. We will charge your gift at the beginning of every month, so you won't even have to think about it. In December we will send you a donation acknowledgement letter for tax purposes. Your support is 100% tax deductible. Check out other great stuff you can sponsor here. Donate to a specific program here Want to sponsor an event? Click here to do so! Hillel hosts a slew of programs to enrich, empower and enable our students to experience Jewish life at the University of Illinois. Thanks to the support we receive from the Jewish United Fund, The Champaign-Urbana Jewish Federation and supportive foundations, every dollar that you give goes to cover the costs of our program. Know someone who might enjoy this email? Share it with them. Did someone share this email with you? Sign up to receive more of our emails. [Illini Hillel] [https://files.constantcontact.com/a0b04647be/83840df3-3c50-4102-8491-53ef52664a78.png] UIUC Hillel | Margie K. and Louis N. Cohen Center for Jewish Life | 217.344.1328 | erez at illinihillel.org | http://www.illinihillel.org [Facebook] [Twitter] [View on Instagram] UIUC Hillel | Margie K. and Louis N. Cohen Center for Jewish Life, 503 E. John Street, Champaign, IL 61820 _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue Oct 29 12:29:08 2019 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 12:29:08 +0000 Subject: [Peace] Max was arrested on false charges, and held for two days. Message-ID: https://www.rt.com/news/472083-max-blumenthal-arrested-venezuela-embassy/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue Oct 29 14:28:05 2019 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 14:28:05 +0000 Subject: [Peace] Illinois Senator is a war criminal when he supports sanctions and interventions against VenezuelaDurbin Message-ID: https://www.facebook.com/SenatorDurbin/videos/416923785900939/?notif_id=1572358528108083¬if_t=live_video -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue Oct 29 14:43:42 2019 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 14:43:42 +0000 Subject: [Peace] Nazi's in power in the Ukraine, as a result of US intervention. Message-ID: https://www.mintpressnews.com/interview-journalist-kirill-vyshinsky-ukrainian-prison/262498/?fbclid=IwAR2aw13-mmk7S3GNsC63jV8r2-zQvhqtQjSRJQt3C -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com Tue Oct 29 18:27:08 2019 From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 14:27:08 -0400 Subject: [Peace] Jack Reed BernieRo twitter colloquy on ending Yemen war on NDAA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Let's retweet these puppies. Let's get one of them Twitter colloquy things going. Let's make sure the whole world knows that Reed has put down his marker on ending the Yemen war on NDAA. Let's try to get Schumer to follow suit. https://twitter.com/SenJackReed/status/1188985934076882946 [image: image.png] https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/1189234557922562052 [image: image.png] https://twitter.com/reprokhanna/status/1189165266980220929 [image: image.png] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 221652 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 269084 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 261425 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jbn at forestfield.org Wed Oct 30 04:02:04 2019 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 23:02:04 -0500 Subject: [Peace] AWARE on the Air #496 notes Message-ID: <9e2debef-6ad1-a1d2-e72c-47a3e32d1906@forestfield.org> AWARE on the Air #496 Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ncNjP8wr6A A list of links to items referenced on the show. "Human Smoke: The Beginnings of World War II, the End of Civilization" by Nicholson Baker https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Smoke ISBN: 9781416572466 Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Barack Obama: "Turns out I?m really good at killing people. Didn?t know that was going to be a strong suit of mine." https://www.huffpost.com/entry/obama-drones-double-down_n_4208815 https://books.google.com/books?id=YcDiIW-5KvYC&printsec=frontcover&dq=double+down+book&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi_oI_cl9HRAhWJyoMKHRYRDvQQ6AEIIzAA#v=snippet&q=%22Turns%20out%20I%E2%80%99m%20really%20good%20at%20killing%20people%22&f=false U.S. is the most feared country in the world http://dailyinfographics.eu/most-feared-countries-on-the-world/ -- includes which country other countries fear from 2015 http://www.allgov.com/news/us-and-the-world/us-seen-as-greatest-threat-to-world-peaceand-the-nation-most-would-like-to-move-to-140102?news=852058 -- from 2014 https://www.outlookindia.com/website/story/the-most-feared-nation-in-the-world/219628 -- from 2013 John Pilger interview with Afshin Rattansi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLXzudMCyM4 Jill Stein interview with Jimmy Dore https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72S3zb16Fq0 Partial transcripts of both the Pilger & Stein interviews https://lists.chambana.net/pipermail/peace-discuss/2019-October/051440.html Mail feedback to Carl Estabrook at carl at newsfromneptune.com -J From deb.pdamerica at gmail.com Wed Oct 30 09:19:13 2019 From: deb.pdamerica at gmail.com (Debra Schrishuhn) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 04:19:13 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Fwd: On trial for exposing Planned Parenthood In-Reply-To: References: <1877542122.5138328.1571832070940@mail.patheos.com> Message-ID: I am so sick of (mostly) old, (mostly) white men telling women what to do with their bodies. On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 1:24 PM C. G. Estabrook via Peace < peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > Including those conceived but not yet born. > > On Oct 28, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Lois Steinberg wrote: > > Reproductive freedom for all. > > Love > Lois > > On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 11:17 AM C. G. Estabrook via Peace < > peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> *From: *Patheos - Thomas More Society >> *Subject: **On trial for exposing Planned Parenthood* >> *Date: *October 23, 2019 at 7:01:10 AM CDT >> *To: *"Friend" >> *Reply-To: *Patheos - Thomas More Society < >> r-jsfvtbbmjwbrbrrqwqhdrnvmkhrdbtshtzqqqnfptvspvfjms at mail.patheos.com> >> >> >> [image: Logo] *This email was sent on behalf of Thomas More Society * >> Our thought-provoking newsletters are supported by our advertising >> sponsors. >> Patheos does not necessarily endorse the views they express or the >> products/services they offer. >> >> Dear Friend, >> >> Planned Parenthood has drawn a line in the sand. They are not a >> healthcare organization that advocates for public policy when necessary. >> >> Planned Parenthood is a political machine, hell-bent on imposing their >> radical abortion agenda on America. >> >> And sparks are flying in San Francisco now that the trial of Planned >> Parenthood's outrageous lawsuit against pro-life hero David Daleiden is >> underway. >> >> David Daleiden is the pro-life citizen journalist who spent 30 months >> leading an undercover investigation that captured video evidence of Planned >> Parenthood conspiring to illegally harvest and sell aborted baby body parts. >> >> Planned Parenthood is seeking monetary "triple damages" plus over a >> million dollars for repayment of its attorneys' fees from David for his >> having exposed their horrific and illegal money-making scheme. >> >> *That's right. Planned Parenthood is suing David. NOT the other way >> around!* >> >> And they want the judge to order a permanent injunction (a ?gag order?) >> prohibiting David from ever releasing the rest of his video evidence of >> Planned Parenthood?s criminal wrongdoing. >> >> You see, David Daleiden poses the biggest threat to the abortion industry >> since *Roe v. Wade* ? so the radical abortion industry will do whatever >> it takes to silence him. >> >> *That's why I'm asking you to make an emergency donation to help the >> Thomas More Society defend David Daleiden against Planned Parenthood.* >> >> >> My friend, the reality is... >> >> *You couldn't be there* when David entered the dark underbelly of the >> abortion industry ? sitting across the table from abortionists haggling >> over the price of baby body parts with cold-blooded clarity... "I want a >> Lamborghini." >> >> *You couldn't be there* as David saw with his own eyes the preborn >> children who had been killed with great precision to preserve their organs >> for maximum profit. >> >> *You couldn't be there* when the videos were released and Planned >> Parenthood and their allies conspired to crush David with trumped up legal >> charges and an armed raid on his home in which they seized laptops, >> hard-drives, and recording equipment. >> >> And *you couldn't be there* with David when he appeared in both Texas >> and California for booking and processing ? fingerprinted and photographed >> for mug-shots like a common criminal. (But our criminal defense team was >> there!) >> >> *But, now, this is the reality... there is something you can do to help >> vindicate this pro-life hero.* >> >> >> My name is Tom Brejcha. I'm the President and Chief Counsel of the *Thomas >> More Society* ? a not-for-profit law firm underwriting and helping to >> spearhead David's civil and criminal defense. >> >> The *Thomas More Society* is proud to defend many of the most renowned >> leaders in America's pro-life movement... >> >> ...because when dark forces like Planned Parenthood unleash their full >> might to legally, financially and personally destroy our clients ? *we >> fight back.* >> >> And I have to tell you, even with the abortion industry?s efforts to >> destroy David?s livelihood and future, this young man?s spirits remain >> high. Of course, I've never known anyone in this kind of position who >> didn't feel an empty pit in his stomach. >> >> But David's not giving up. And he never will do so! *In fact, I know he >> sees this as yet another opportunity to drag more of Planned Parenthood's >> dark criminality into the spotlight.* >> >> My friend, that's what David set out to do ? and that's what you and I >> can make sure he continues doing by winning this legal battle. >> >> Now I'll get right down to it... *We anticipate all of the costs >> associated with David's legal defense to exceed $5,000,000. That's right, >> FIVE MILLION DOLLARS.* >> >> You see, it's not just this one legal battle we're fighting. >> >> Altogether David has been sued or prosecuted six times! Already we >> defeated a two-count felony and misdemeanor criminal case brought by the >> District Attorney of Harris County (Houston), Texas at the behest of >> Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast. And another nasty civil case brought by a >> baby body parts broker, Stem Express, in Los Angeles was dismissed. >> >> And we were just in California Criminal Court with David defending him >> against the 15 felony charges the Attorney General?s office filed against >> him in a politically motivated witch-hunt. (The Judge threw out one of the >> charges but will not issue his ruling on the rest until later this October.) >> >> As if that?s not enough, David still faces two separate racketeering >> (RICO) >> civil lawsuits in federal court in San Francisco, California, and a third >> in federal court up in Seattle. >> >> And to make matters worse, the U.S. Supreme Court has declined to hear >> our appeal of the unjust "gag order" preliminary injunction that, at least >> until the trial, prohibits David from releasing more of his videos exposing >> the abortion giant's evil! >> >> But Planned Parenthood has millions of dollars to spend on lawyers and >> lobbyists ? and they'll stop at nothing to silence David and prevent the >> truth from coming out. >> >> That's why we urgently need your financial support today. >> >> *And that's why I'm praying you will use this link to make an emergency >> contribution of $35, $50, $100 or more to help the Thomas More Society >> defend David Daleiden against Planned Parenthood and their radical allies.* >> >> >> This truly is a "David versus Goliath" type of battle ? with Planned >> Parenthood, the Attorney General of California, and their allies arrayed >> against our "David." >> >> *It's a grave injustice that David is the one going on trial while >> Planned Parenthood (so far, at least) has gone unpunished.* >> >> But by helping David defeat the lawsuits (and the felony charges)... you >> and I can allow him to continue with his incredibly important lifesaving >> work. >> >> *So please make your emergency contribution of $35, $50, $100 or more >> today.* >> >> >> I know David will be deeply touched and encouraged by your generous >> support. >> >> May God bless you, >> [image: Tom Brejcha] >> >> Tom Brejcha >> President & Chief Counsel >> >> [image: Thomas More Society] >> >> >> The Thomas More Society is a not-for-profit, national public interest law >> firm dedicated to restoring respect in law for life, family, and religious >> liberty. >> >> Please consider supporting our efforts with a generous, tax-deductible >> donation. >> >> >> ? Thomas More Society | www.thomasmoresociety.org >> >> 309 W. Washington Street Suite 1250, Chicago, IL 60606 >> >> ------------------------------ >> HOME >> >> | PRIVACY POLICY >> >> | SUBSCRIPTION CENTER >> >> | UNSUBSCRIBE >> >> This email was sent because cgestabrook at gmail.com has opted-in to >> receive special offers from Patheos. You may opt-out at any time by >> clicking the unsubscribe link above. Please allow up to 10 days for your >> email to be removed. >> >> 2037 Laskin Road Virginia Beach, VA 23454 >> >> Report Abuse to abuse at patheos.com >> . >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >> > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com Wed Oct 30 12:45:15 2019 From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 08:45:15 -0400 Subject: [Peace] On the Importance of Being _Important_ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://www.facebook.com/robert.naiman/posts/10158778178582656 On the Importance of Being _*Important*_ I once met with Dick Durbin at a fundraising party in Champaign at a time when President Obama was facing harsh pushback from pro-Netanyahu American Jews for his attempts to negotiate the Iran nuclear deal. Like, ?Obama is leading Jews to the gas chambers,? this kind of thing was appearing regularly in the Jewish press. The question I asked Durbin was: ?How come Democrats in Congress are being so quiet when Obama is getting pummeled for doing the thing that Democratic voters asked him to do?? Pursuing diplomacy with Iran was a major issue in the 2008 Democratic primary and general election. For a lot of Democratic voters the thing that distinguished Obama was not just his early opposition to the Iraq war, running against Hillary Clinton and John McCain who had supported it, but his promise to pursue diplomacy with Iran to avoid another war like the Iraq war. It is why I supported Obama: why I voted for him, why I gave his campaign money, why I knocked on doors for him in Indiana, why I organized MoveOn calling parties for him in Champaign-Urbana. Durbin answered at first with something mealy-mouthed, like ?I can see why a lot of my colleagues are concerned?? I challenged him: ?Dianne Feinstein is speaking up for diplomacy. How come you?re not speaking up for diplomacy?? At the time it seemed that Dianne Feinstein was the only Democrat in Congress saying anything against the anti-diplomacy onslaught. Durbin leaned in and lowered his voice. ?Dianne Feinstein is a very _ *important*_ voice,? Durbin said. At the time I interpreted this to mean: ?This anti-diplomacy onslaught is coming from pro-Netanyahu Jews. Dianne Feinstein is Jewish. So we?ve all agreed that Dianne Feinstein is going to take the incoming fire on this and the rest of us are going to hide behind Dianne Feinstein.? Sometime after that, I was at a party in Champaign where I met a woman who worked for the Champaign-Urbana Jewish Federation. In the course of describing my relationship to Jewish things, I said: ?I?m a member of J Street and Jewish Voice for Peace and I read the *Forward*.? She said: ?J Street and the *Forward* are _*important_ *institutions.? She said the word _*important*_ exactly the same way Durbin had said it. This showed that the word _*important*_ wasn?t just a Jewish code word for ?Jewish.? It referred to Jewish people and institutions seen as existing inside a perceived perimeter of Jewish respectability. The perceived perimeter of Jewish respectability in the United States is a major determinant of how much peace we?re allowed to have in U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. The perceived perimeter of Jewish respectability in the United States is not determined by a democratic vote of Jews, any more than the perceived position of gun owners on gun regulation is determined by a democratic vote of gun owners. Moneyed interests and the institutions they fund play a huge role. U.S. policy in the Middle East would never survive a referendum of American Jews, any more than U.S. policy on gun regulation would survive a referendum of gun owners. There?s nothing natural about this hegemony. This hegemony has been constructed by moneyed interests and their surrogates to try to bring about certain outcomes. Although the perimeter of Jewish respectability is not determined democratically, democratic organizing can move it, because who gets elected to the presidency and Congress dramatically shapes what the perceived perimeter is. In 2000, Joe Lieberman was Al Gore?s running mate. In 2006, Joe Lieberman was defeated in a Democratic Senate primary in Connecticut over Joe Lieberman?s support for the Iraq war. Jews who opposed the Iraq war had a lot to do with Joe Lieberman?s defeat. I know this because I knocked on doors for Ned Lamont. And I saw a bunch of Jews there doing the same thing I was. ?We need to get rid of this guy who is claiming that he is representing Jews when he advocates for war in the public square.? At the beginning of the Obama Administration, AIPAC was perceived as all-powerful and J Street was perceived as a 90 pound weakling. This dynamic changed significantly during the Obama Administration, in part because of the relationship between J Street and Obama. Today AIPAC is still perceived as more powerful than J Street. But the margin isn?t nearly as great as it was in 2008. This year, MoveOn called for Dem POTUS 2020 candidates to boycott the AIPAC policy conference. Nancy Pelosi went to AIPAC, where she was a keynote speaker, but no major Dem candidates for President went. [Biden dodged this choice by announcing later.] In contrast, a bunch of presidential candidates went to the J Street conference this week. Biden and Warren didn?t go. But Bernie went. Julian Castro went. PeteB went. Even Amy Klobuchar went. That?s a big change. When he was running for President, Obama went to the AIPAC policy conference. Obama told the AIPAC conferees that Jerusalem must be the united capital of Israel ? exactly the policy that Trump later implemented, just like Trump has said. Obama talked about doing it, Trump did it. Obama wasn?t interested in peace in general. Obama was interested in pivoting the U.S. relationship with Iran, like Nixon pivoted the U.S. relationship with China. Every other peace concern in the Middle East, Obama was willing to throw under the bus to appease the Saudi and Israeli governments. Obama destroyed Libya, Obama destroyed Syria, Obama destroyed Yemen. That was all collateral damage, claimed to be necessary to appease the Saudi and Israeli governments. J Street was good on nuclear diplomacy with Iran primarily because Obama was good on it. Nuclear diplomacy with Iran was Obama?s priority in the Middle East. Nuclear diplomacy with Iran was the fight that Obama was willing to have with AIPAC and Netanyahu and Saudi Arabia. Obama wasn?t willing to have any other fights with AIPAC and Netanyahu and Saudi Arabia. J Street helped very little on ending the catastrophic Saudi war in Yemen started by Obama. J Street helped even less in preventing the U.S. from visiting the catastrophe on Syria started by Obama. And during the Obama Administration, J Street didn?t move the ball in DC on peace and justice in Israel-Palestine, mainly because Obama wasn?t really interested in that, even though supposedly that was a key reason that J Street was created, to move the ball in DC on peace and justice in Israel-Palestine. The half-full of this is: the better the next Democratic President is, the better J Street will be. If we could elect a Democratic President who was seriously interested in peace in the Middle East, J Street would improve dramatically, because they?d be blocking for a much better Democratic President on peace than Obama. To get a better Democratic President than Obama on peace in the Middle East, we have to beat Haim Saban and his surrogates in the primary. That?s the most important thing we have to do. The second most important thing we need to do is go after AIPAC?s most extreme assets in Congress, like the Crown Prince of the Warmongers. We could have a big impact just by picking off a few of them. The defeat of Joe Lieberman in Connecticut in the Democratic primary in 2006 had a big impact on how Democrats nationally thought about the Iraq war. If we picked off a few of AIPAC?s most extreme assets in Congress, J Street would improve. I once went to a movie about Iran. I invited some Iranian-American friends. The movie was made by a friend of the comedian Jon Stewart. So Jon Stewart introduced the movie. When Jon Stewart?s face came on the screen, one of my friends said, I?m tired of Jon Stewart, Jon Stewart is not that progressive. I said: look, here?s why I love Jon Stewart. He?s the most famous and popular Jew in America who doesn?t want to bomb Iran. They laughed. The sentence I said to my Iranian-American friends is no longer true. Jon Stewart is no longer the most famous and popular Jew in America who doesn?t want to bomb Iran. If there?s another plausible path to defeating Haim Saban in 2020, I have no idea what it is. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brussel at illinois.edu Wed Oct 30 21:16:42 2019 From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 21:16:42 +0000 Subject: [Peace] Illinois Senator is a war criminal when he supports sanctions and interventions against VenezuelaDurbin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What can you say? A despicable character. On Oct 29, 2019, at 9:28 AM, Karen Aram via Peace > wrote: https://www.facebook.com/SenatorDurbin/videos/416923785900939/?notif_id=1572358528108083¬if_t=live_video _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu Oct 31 01:39:22 2019 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 01:39:22 +0000 Subject: [Peace] Fwd: YouTube link for Green Party Conference References: <3B7DB233-F87A-41DA-9BC9-6CBCA2F55DFB@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > > > > Here?s the link to the video on YouTube - >> >> https://youtu.be/6y0_XBBQIho >> >> >> >> > From jbn at forestfield.org Thu Oct 31 03:39:32 2019 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 22:39:32 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Flyer to be distributed at AWARE's regular monthly anti-war demonstration Message-ID: <1055032b-45b8-d548-baa3-3c8abae102f3@forestfield.org> [Flyer to be distributed at AWARE's regular monthly anti-war demonstration, 2-4pm Saturday, November 2, at the Susan B. Anthony Memorial (Main & Neil streets in Champaign)] U.S. WAR-MAKING IN SYRIA AND AFGHANISTAN TODAY The first of President Trump?s recent foreign policy steps was to withdraw the small U.S. contingent that was a deterrent to Turkey?s expansion of its invasion of Syria, and to authorize Turkish President Erdo?an?s plans to extend his atrocities and ethnic cleansing of Syrian Kurds. His second step was to move U.S. troops to ?secure? the oil-producing areas. The latter, apparently after he was told about the oil, is easy to understand. He has held all along that our only standing interest in the Middle East is to ?secure? its oil for our own benefit. As for the first step, we can only speculate, but it seems quite likely that the motive is what guides him consistently: How will the action affect me? Trump is an effective con man who has a good sense of what animates his voting base. In this case, he presumably expected (correctly it seems) that withdrawing a few hundred troops would appeal to the sector of the population that resonates to his message that America is foolishly expending its blood and treasure to help ?unworthy? people who don?t even thank us for our sacrifices on their behalf, and that Trump is the first president to stand up for the suffering American people instead of giving everything away to foreigners out of stupidity (or treachery). It?s worth recalling that repeated polls have shown that Americans vastly overestimate the scale of foreign aid ? and recommend that it be considerably higher than it actually is (putting aside what constitutes ?aid?). Much has been written and said about the betrayal of the Kurds, a U.S. ally in the war against ISIS (also known as Daesh). This isn?t, however, the first time that the U.S. has betrayed the Kurds and other former allies. Betrayal of the Kurds has been virtually a qualification for office since Ford-Kissinger abandoned the Kurds to the mercy of Saddam Hussein when they were no longer needed. Reagan went so far as to support his friend Saddam?s chemical warfare campaign against Iraqi Kurds, seeking to shift the blame to Iran and blocking congressional efforts to respond to these hideous crimes. Clinton?s method was to provide the arms for the murderous government assault on Turkish Kurds, which killed tens of thousands, wiped out 3,500 towns and villages, and drove hundreds of thousands from their homes. (See Noam Chomsky, ?The New Military Humanism,? 1999). Clinton?s flood of military aid increased along with the shocking crimes, as Turkey became the prime recipient of American arms (outside of Israel-Egypt, a separate category). Trump?s contribution is particularly disgusting. The Kurds lost 11,000 soldiers, men and women, leading the war against ISIS for which Trump claims credit, helped by some U.S. special forces (five casualties are reported) and air support. Erdo?an demanded that Kurds eliminate defensive fortifications (filling in trenches, etc.) near the border, and at the request of the U.S. command, they complied, trusting Washington?s promise that it would protect them from a further Turkish assault. Trump?s tweet broke that promise, leaving Kurds exposed to the invasion by Turkish-backed forces, most it seems jihadis and criminals. For years, Turkey has been helping tens of thousands of jihadis to flood into Syria for its anti-Assad war and to establish a Turkish presence. No surprises in how the extended Turkish assault has been carried out. Turkey had already invaded and occupied Kurdish-controlled regions of northern Syria, killing hundreds and displacing hundreds of thousands, with credible charges of serious war crimes. Trump?s green light was for extending the operation with the alleged goal of ending a terrorist threat, in reality in order to put an end to the highly promising social and political achievements in Kurdish-led Rojava by violence and terror, ethnic cleansing, and resettling the region with Syrians of Turkey?s choosing. ~~~ Write your Congressional representatives & demand the U.S. Government fulfill President Trump?s promises to withdraw all U.S. troops from Syria & Afghanistan: ~ Senator Dick Durbin: ~ Sen. Tammy Duckworth: ~ Representative Rodney Davis: ~~~ The ANTI-WAR ANTI-RACISM EFFORT is on Facebook at The TV program ?AWARE on the Air,? a local discussion of war news, is on Urbana Public Television, Tuesdays at 10pm (& available on YouTube) ### From carl at newsfromneptune.com Thu Oct 31 11:21:44 2019 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 06:21:44 -0500 Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Fwd: On trial for exposing Planned Parenthood In-Reply-To: References: <1877542122.5138328.1571832070940@mail.patheos.com> Message-ID: <160B39A8-6516-4438-BD2E-41686F2946F6@newsfromneptune.com> I would say we need more people (including old white men) saying ending human lives is wrong - at home and abroad. > On Oct 30, 2019, at 4:19 AM, Debra Schrishuhn via Peace-discuss wrote: > > I am so sick of (mostly) old, (mostly) white men telling women what to do with their bodies. > > On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 1:24 PM C. G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: > Including those conceived but not yet born. > > On Oct 28, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Lois Steinberg wrote: > >> Reproductive freedom for all. >> >> Love >> Lois >> >> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 11:17 AM C. G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: >> >> >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> >>> From: Patheos - Thomas More Society >>> Subject: On trial for exposing Planned Parenthood >>> Date: October 23, 2019 at 7:01:10 AM CDT >>> To: "Friend" >>> Reply-To: Patheos - Thomas More Society >>> >>> >>> This email was sent on behalf of Thomas More Society >>> Our thought-provoking newsletters are supported by our advertising sponsors. >>> Patheos does not necessarily endorse the views they express or the products/services they offer. >>> >>> Dear Friend, >>> >>> Planned Parenthood has drawn a line in the sand. They are not a healthcare organization that advocates for public policy when necessary. >>> >>> Planned Parenthood is a political machine, hell-bent on imposing their radical abortion agenda on America. >>> >>> And sparks are flying in San Francisco now that the trial of Planned Parenthood's outrageous lawsuit against pro-life hero David Daleiden is underway. >>> >>> David Daleiden is the pro-life citizen journalist who spent 30 months leading an undercover investigation that captured video evidence of Planned Parenthood conspiring to illegally harvest and sell aborted baby body parts. >>> >>> Planned Parenthood is seeking monetary "triple damages" plus over a million dollars for repayment of its attorneys' fees from David for his having exposed their horrific and illegal money-making scheme. >>> >>> That's right. Planned Parenthood is suing David. NOT the other way around! >>> >>> And they want the judge to order a permanent injunction (a ?gag order?) prohibiting David from ever releasing the rest of his video evidence of Planned Parenthood?s criminal wrongdoing. >>> >>> You see, David Daleiden poses the biggest threat to the abortion industry since Roe v. Wade ? so the radical abortion industry will do whatever it takes to silence him. >>> >>> That's why I'm asking you to make an emergency donation to help the Thomas More Society defend David Daleiden against Planned Parenthood. >>> >>> My friend, the reality is... >>> >>> You couldn't be there when David entered the dark underbelly of the abortion industry ? sitting across the table from abortionists haggling over the price of baby body parts with cold-blooded clarity... "I want a Lamborghini." >>> >>> You couldn't be there as David saw with his own eyes the preborn children who had been killed with great precision to preserve their organs for maximum profit. >>> >>> You couldn't be there when the videos were released and Planned Parenthood and their allies conspired to crush David with trumped up legal charges and an armed raid on his home in which they seized laptops, hard-drives, and recording equipment. >>> >>> And you couldn't be there with David when he appeared in both Texas and California for booking and processing ? fingerprinted and photographed for mug-shots like a common criminal. (But our criminal defense team was there!) >>> >>> But, now, this is the reality... there is something you can do to help vindicate this pro-life hero. >>> >>> My name is Tom Brejcha. I'm the President and Chief Counsel of the Thomas More Society ? a not-for-profit law firm underwriting and helping to spearhead David's civil and criminal defense. >>> >>> The Thomas More Society is proud to defend many of the most renowned leaders in America's pro-life movement... >>> >>> ...because when dark forces like Planned Parenthood unleash their full might to legally, financially and personally destroy our clients ? we fight back. >>> >>> And I have to tell you, even with the abortion industry?s efforts to destroy David?s livelihood and future, this young man?s spirits remain high. Of course, I've never known anyone in this kind of position who didn't feel an empty pit in his stomach. >>> >>> But David's not giving up. And he never will do so! In fact, I know he sees this as yet another opportunity to drag more of Planned Parenthood's dark criminality into the spotlight. >>> >>> My friend, that's what David set out to do ? and that's what you and I can make sure he continues doing by winning this legal battle. >>> >>> Now I'll get right down to it... We anticipate all of the costs associated with David's legal defense to exceed $5,000,000. That's right, FIVE MILLION DOLLARS. >>> >>> You see, it's not just this one legal battle we're fighting. >>> >>> Altogether David has been sued or prosecuted six times! Already we defeated a two-count felony and misdemeanor criminal case brought by the District Attorney of Harris County (Houston), Texas at the behest of Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast. And another nasty civil case brought by a baby body parts broker, Stem Express, in Los Angeles was dismissed. >>> >>> And we were just in California Criminal Court with David defending him against the 15 felony charges the Attorney General?s office filed against him in a politically motivated witch-hunt. (The Judge threw out one of the charges but will not issue his ruling on the rest until later this October.) >>> >>> As if that?s not enough, David still faces two separate racketeering (RICO) >>> civil lawsuits in federal court in San Francisco, California, and a third in federal court up in Seattle. >>> >>> And to make matters worse, the U.S. Supreme Court has declined to hear our appeal of the unjust "gag order" preliminary injunction that, at least until the trial, prohibits David from releasing more of his videos exposing the abortion giant's evil! >>> >>> But Planned Parenthood has millions of dollars to spend on lawyers and lobbyists ? and they'll stop at nothing to silence David and prevent the truth from coming out. >>> >>> That's why we urgently need your financial support today. >>> >>> And that's why I'm praying you will use this link to make an emergency contribution of $35, $50, $100 or more to help the Thomas More Society defend David Daleiden against Planned Parenthood and their radical allies. >>> >>> This truly is a "David versus Goliath" type of battle ? with Planned Parenthood, the Attorney General of California, and their allies arrayed against our "David." >>> >>> It's a grave injustice that David is the one going on trial while Planned Parenthood (so far, at least) has gone unpunished. >>> >>> But by helping David defeat the lawsuits (and the felony charges)... you and I can allow him to continue with his incredibly important lifesaving work. >>> >>> So please make your emergency contribution of $35, $50, $100 or more today. >>> >>> I know David will be deeply touched and encouraged by your generous support. >>> >>> May God bless you, >>> >>> >>> Tom Brejcha >>> President & Chief Counsel >>> >>> >>> >>> The Thomas More Society is a not-for-profit, national public interest law firm dedicated to restoring respect in law for life, family, and religious liberty. >>> >>> Please consider supporting our efforts with a generous, tax-deductible donation. >>> >>> ? Thomas More Society | www.thomasmoresociety.org >>> 309 W. Washington Street Suite 1250, Chicago, IL 60606 >>> >>> HOME | PRIVACY POLICY | SUBSCRIPTION CENTER | UNSUBSCRIBE >>> This email was sent because cgestabrook at gmail.com has opted-in to receive special offers from Patheos. You may opt-out at any time by clicking the unsubscribe link above. Please allow up to 10 days for your email to be removed. >>> >>> 2037 Laskin Road Virginia Beach, VA 23454 >>> >>> Report Abuse to abuse at patheos.com. >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu Oct 31 11:55:05 2019 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 11:55:05 +0000 Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Fwd: On trial for exposing Planned Parenthood In-Reply-To: <160B39A8-6516-4438-BD2E-41686F2946F6@newsfromneptune.com> References: <1877542122.5138328.1571832070940@mail.patheos.com> <160B39A8-6516-4438-BD2E-41686F2946F6@newsfromneptune.com> Message-ID: I couldn?t agree more when it refers to human lives, but what you?re referring to is fetuses. > On Oct 31, 2019, at 04:21, C. G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: > > I would say we need more people (including old white men) saying ending human lives is wrong - at home and abroad. > > >> On Oct 30, 2019, at 4:19 AM, Debra Schrishuhn via Peace-discuss wrote: >> >> I am so sick of (mostly) old, (mostly) white men telling women what to do with their bodies. >> >> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 1:24 PM C. G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: >> Including those conceived but not yet born. >> >> On Oct 28, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Lois Steinberg wrote: >> >>> Reproductive freedom for all. >>> >>> Love >>> Lois >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 11:17 AM C. G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>> >>>> From: Patheos - Thomas More Society >>>> Subject: On trial for exposing Planned Parenthood >>>> Date: October 23, 2019 at 7:01:10 AM CDT >>>> To: "Friend" >>>> Reply-To: Patheos - Thomas More Society >>>> >>>> >>>> This email was sent on behalf of Thomas More Society >>>> Our thought-provoking newsletters are supported by our advertising sponsors. >>>> Patheos does not necessarily endorse the views they express or the products/services they offer. >>>> >>>> Dear Friend, >>>> >>>> Planned Parenthood has drawn a line in the sand. They are not a healthcare organization that advocates for public policy when necessary. >>>> >>>> Planned Parenthood is a political machine, hell-bent on imposing their radical abortion agenda on America. >>>> >>>> And sparks are flying in San Francisco now that the trial of Planned Parenthood's outrageous lawsuit against pro-life hero David Daleiden is underway. >>>> >>>> David Daleiden is the pro-life citizen journalist who spent 30 months leading an undercover investigation that captured video evidence of Planned Parenthood conspiring to illegally harvest and sell aborted baby body parts. >>>> >>>> Planned Parenthood is seeking monetary "triple damages" plus over a million dollars for repayment of its attorneys' fees from David for his having exposed their horrific and illegal money-making scheme. >>>> >>>> That's right. Planned Parenthood is suing David. NOT the other way around! >>>> >>>> And they want the judge to order a permanent injunction (a ?gag order?) prohibiting David from ever releasing the rest of his video evidence of Planned Parenthood?s criminal wrongdoing. >>>> >>>> You see, David Daleiden poses the biggest threat to the abortion industry since Roe v. Wade ? so the radical abortion industry will do whatever it takes to silence him. >>>> >>>> That's why I'm asking you to make an emergency donation to help the Thomas More Society defend David Daleiden against Planned Parenthood. >>>> >>>> My friend, the reality is... >>>> >>>> You couldn't be there when David entered the dark underbelly of the abortion industry ? sitting across the table from abortionists haggling over the price of baby body parts with cold-blooded clarity... "I want a Lamborghini." >>>> >>>> You couldn't be there as David saw with his own eyes the preborn children who had been killed with great precision to preserve their organs for maximum profit. >>>> >>>> You couldn't be there when the videos were released and Planned Parenthood and their allies conspired to crush David with trumped up legal charges and an armed raid on his home in which they seized laptops, hard-drives, and recording equipment. >>>> >>>> And you couldn't be there with David when he appeared in both Texas and California for booking and processing ? fingerprinted and photographed for mug-shots like a common criminal. (But our criminal defense team was there!) >>>> >>>> But, now, this is the reality... there is something you can do to help vindicate this pro-life hero. >>>> >>>> My name is Tom Brejcha. I'm the President and Chief Counsel of the Thomas More Society ? a not-for-profit law firm underwriting and helping to spearhead David's civil and criminal defense. >>>> >>>> The Thomas More Society is proud to defend many of the most renowned leaders in America's pro-life movement... >>>> >>>> ...because when dark forces like Planned Parenthood unleash their full might to legally, financially and personally destroy our clients ? we fight back. >>>> >>>> And I have to tell you, even with the abortion industry?s efforts to destroy David?s livelihood and future, this young man?s spirits remain high. Of course, I've never known anyone in this kind of position who didn't feel an empty pit in his stomach. >>>> >>>> But David's not giving up. And he never will do so! In fact, I know he sees this as yet another opportunity to drag more of Planned Parenthood's dark criminality into the spotlight. >>>> >>>> My friend, that's what David set out to do ? and that's what you and I can make sure he continues doing by winning this legal battle. >>>> >>>> Now I'll get right down to it... We anticipate all of the costs associated with David's legal defense to exceed $5,000,000. That's right, FIVE MILLION DOLLARS. >>>> >>>> You see, it's not just this one legal battle we're fighting. >>>> >>>> Altogether David has been sued or prosecuted six times! Already we defeated a two-count felony and misdemeanor criminal case brought by the District Attorney of Harris County (Houston), Texas at the behest of Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast. And another nasty civil case brought by a baby body parts broker, Stem Express, in Los Angeles was dismissed. >>>> >>>> And we were just in California Criminal Court with David defending him against the 15 felony charges the Attorney General?s office filed against him in a politically motivated witch-hunt. (The Judge threw out one of the charges but will not issue his ruling on the rest until later this October.) >>>> >>>> As if that?s not enough, David still faces two separate racketeering (RICO) >>>> civil lawsuits in federal court in San Francisco, California, and a third in federal court up in Seattle. >>>> >>>> And to make matters worse, the U.S. Supreme Court has declined to hear our appeal of the unjust "gag order" preliminary injunction that, at least until the trial, prohibits David from releasing more of his videos exposing the abortion giant's evil! >>>> >>>> But Planned Parenthood has millions of dollars to spend on lawyers and lobbyists ? and they'll stop at nothing to silence David and prevent the truth from coming out. >>>> >>>> That's why we urgently need your financial support today. >>>> >>>> And that's why I'm praying you will use this link to make an emergency contribution of $35, $50, $100 or more to help the Thomas More Society defend David Daleiden against Planned Parenthood and their radical allies. >>>> >>>> This truly is a "David versus Goliath" type of battle ? with Planned Parenthood, the Attorney General of California, and their allies arrayed against our "David." >>>> >>>> It's a grave injustice that David is the one going on trial while Planned Parenthood (so far, at least) has gone unpunished. >>>> >>>> But by helping David defeat the lawsuits (and the felony charges)... you and I can allow him to continue with his incredibly important lifesaving work. >>>> >>>> So please make your emergency contribution of $35, $50, $100 or more today. >>>> >>>> I know David will be deeply touched and encouraged by your generous support. >>>> >>>> May God bless you, >>>> >>>> >>>> Tom Brejcha >>>> President & Chief Counsel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The Thomas More Society is a not-for-profit, national public interest law firm dedicated to restoring respect in law for life, family, and religious liberty. >>>> >>>> Please consider supporting our efforts with a generous, tax-deductible donation. >>>> >>>> ? Thomas More Society | www.thomasmoresociety.org >>>> 309 W. Washington Street Suite 1250, Chicago, IL 60606 >>>> >>>> HOME | PRIVACY POLICY | SUBSCRIPTION CENTER | UNSUBSCRIBE >>>> This email was sent because cgestabrook at gmail.com has opted-in to receive special offers from Patheos. You may opt-out at any time by clicking the unsubscribe link above. Please allow up to 10 days for your email to be removed. >>>> >>>> 2037 Laskin Road Virginia Beach, VA 23454 >>>> >>>> Report Abuse to abuse at patheos.com. >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace mailing list >>> Peace at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu Oct 31 12:01:52 2019 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 12:01:52 +0000 Subject: [Peace] Green Party Il, panel at the Annual Conference 2019 Message-ID: https://youtu.be/6y0_XBBQIho -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu Oct 31 14:10:25 2019 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 14:10:25 +0000 Subject: [Peace] Chris Hedges interviews members of the kings bay plowshares Message-ID: https://www.rt.com/shows/on-contact/471899-kings-bay-plowshares7-activism/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu Oct 31 14:10:25 2019 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 14:10:25 +0000 Subject: [Peace] Chris Hedges interviews members of the kings bay plowshares Message-ID: https://www.rt.com/shows/on-contact/471899-kings-bay-plowshares7-activism/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deb.pdamerica at gmail.com Thu Oct 31 15:16:35 2019 From: deb.pdamerica at gmail.com (Debra Schrishuhn) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 10:16:35 -0500 Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Fwd: On trial for exposing Planned Parenthood In-Reply-To: References: <1877542122.5138328.1571832070940@mail.patheos.com> <160B39A8-6516-4438-BD2E-41686F2946F6@newsfromneptune.com> Message-ID: One of the founding principles of the U.S. was freedom from a state religion. Some religions teach that life begins at conception; others do not, and as Americans we have the right to believe or not to believe without interference from the state. I object to someone?s religious beliefs telling me in the form of laws or policy what medical procedures I can access. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 31, 2019, at 6:55 AM, Karen Aram wrote: > > I couldn?t agree more when it refers to human lives, but what you?re referring to is fetuses. > > >> On Oct 31, 2019, at 04:21, C. G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: >> >> I would say we need more people (including old white men) saying ending human lives is wrong - at home and abroad. >> >> >>> On Oct 30, 2019, at 4:19 AM, Debra Schrishuhn via Peace-discuss wrote: >>> >>> I am so sick of (mostly) old, (mostly) white men telling women what to do with their bodies. >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 1:24 PM C. G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: >>> Including those conceived but not yet born. >>> >>>> On Oct 28, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Lois Steinberg wrote: >>>> >>>> Reproductive freedom for all. >>>> >>>> Love >>>> Lois >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 11:17 AM C. G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>>> >>>>> From: Patheos - Thomas More Society >>>>> Subject: On trial for exposing Planned Parenthood >>>>> Date: October 23, 2019 at 7:01:10 AM CDT >>>>> To: "Friend" >>>>> Reply-To: Patheos - Thomas More Society >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This email was sent on behalf of Thomas More Society >>>>> Our thought-provoking newsletters are supported by our advertising sponsors. >>>>> Patheos does not necessarily endorse the views they express or the products/services they offer. >>>>> >>>>> Dear Friend, >>>>> >>>>> Planned Parenthood has drawn a line in the sand. They are not a healthcare organization that advocates for public policy when necessary. >>>>> >>>>> Planned Parenthood is a political machine, hell-bent on imposing their radical abortion agenda on America. >>>>> >>>>> And sparks are flying in San Francisco now that the trial of Planned Parenthood's outrageous lawsuit against pro-life hero David Daleiden is underway. >>>>> >>>>> David Daleiden is the pro-life citizen journalist who spent 30 months leading an undercover investigation that captured video evidence of Planned Parenthood conspiring to illegally harvest and sell aborted baby body parts. >>>>> >>>>> Planned Parenthood is seeking monetary "triple damages" plus over a million dollars for repayment of its attorneys' fees from David for his having exposed their horrific and illegal money-making scheme. >>>>> >>>>> That's right. Planned Parenthood is suing David. NOT the other way around! >>>>> >>>>> And they want the judge to order a permanent injunction (a ?gag order?) prohibiting David from ever releasing the rest of his video evidence of Planned Parenthood?s criminal wrongdoing. >>>>> >>>>> You see, David Daleiden poses the biggest threat to the abortion industry since Roe v. Wade ? so the radical abortion industry will do whatever it takes to silence him. >>>>> >>>>> That's why I'm asking you to make an emergency donation to help the Thomas More Society defend David Daleiden against Planned Parenthood. >>>>> >>>>> My friend, the reality is... >>>>> >>>>> You couldn't be there when David entered the dark underbelly of the abortion industry ? sitting across the table from abortionists haggling over the price of baby body parts with cold-blooded clarity... "I want a Lamborghini." >>>>> >>>>> You couldn't be there as David saw with his own eyes the preborn children who had been killed with great precision to preserve their organs for maximum profit. >>>>> >>>>> You couldn't be there when the videos were released and Planned Parenthood and their allies conspired to crush David with trumped up legal charges and an armed raid on his home in which they seized laptops, hard-drives, and recording equipment. >>>>> >>>>> And you couldn't be there with David when he appeared in both Texas and California for booking and processing ? fingerprinted and photographed for mug-shots like a common criminal. (But our criminal defense team was there!) >>>>> >>>>> But, now, this is the reality... there is something you can do to help vindicate this pro-life hero. >>>>> >>>>> My name is Tom Brejcha. I'm the President and Chief Counsel of the Thomas More Society ? a not-for-profit law firm underwriting and helping to spearhead David's civil and criminal defense. >>>>> >>>>> The Thomas More Society is proud to defend many of the most renowned leaders in America's pro-life movement... >>>>> >>>>> ...because when dark forces like Planned Parenthood unleash their full might to legally, financially and personally destroy our clients ? we fight back. >>>>> >>>>> And I have to tell you, even with the abortion industry?s efforts to destroy David?s livelihood and future, this young man?s spirits remain high. Of course, I've never known anyone in this kind of position who didn't feel an empty pit in his stomach. >>>>> >>>>> But David's not giving up. And he never will do so! In fact, I know he sees this as yet another opportunity to drag more of Planned Parenthood's dark criminality into the spotlight. >>>>> >>>>> My friend, that's what David set out to do ? and that's what you and I can make sure he continues doing by winning this legal battle. >>>>> >>>>> Now I'll get right down to it... We anticipate all of the costs associated with David's legal defense to exceed $5,000,000. That's right, FIVE MILLION DOLLARS. >>>>> >>>>> You see, it's not just this one legal battle we're fighting. >>>>> >>>>> Altogether David has been sued or prosecuted six times! Already we defeated a two-count felony and misdemeanor criminal case brought by the District Attorney of Harris County (Houston), Texas at the behest of Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast. And another nasty civil case brought by a baby body parts broker, Stem Express, in Los Angeles was dismissed. >>>>> >>>>> And we were just in California Criminal Court with David defending him against the 15 felony charges the Attorney General?s office filed against him in a politically motivated witch-hunt. (The Judge threw out one of the charges but will not issue his ruling on the rest until later this October.) >>>>> >>>>> As if that?s not enough, David still faces two separate racketeering (RICO) >>>>> civil lawsuits in federal court in San Francisco, California, and a third in federal court up in Seattle. >>>>> >>>>> And to make matters worse, the U.S. Supreme Court has declined to hear our appeal of the unjust "gag order" preliminary injunction that, at least until the trial, prohibits David from releasing more of his videos exposing the abortion giant's evil! >>>>> >>>>> But Planned Parenthood has millions of dollars to spend on lawyers and lobbyists ? and they'll stop at nothing to silence David and prevent the truth from coming out. >>>>> >>>>> That's why we urgently need your financial support today. >>>>> >>>>> And that's why I'm praying you will use this link to make an emergency contribution of $35, $50, $100 or more to help the Thomas More Society defend David Daleiden against Planned Parenthood and their radical allies. >>>>> >>>>> This truly is a "David versus Goliath" type of battle ? with Planned Parenthood, the Attorney General of California, and their allies arrayed against our "David." >>>>> >>>>> It's a grave injustice that David is the one going on trial while Planned Parenthood (so far, at least) has gone unpunished. >>>>> >>>>> But by helping David defeat the lawsuits (and the felony charges)... you and I can allow him to continue with his incredibly important lifesaving work. >>>>> >>>>> So please make your emergency contribution of $35, $50, $100 or more today. >>>>> >>>>> I know David will be deeply touched and encouraged by your generous support. >>>>> >>>>> May God bless you, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Tom Brejcha >>>>> President & Chief Counsel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Thomas More Society is a not-for-profit, national public interest law firm dedicated to restoring respect in law for life, family, and religious liberty. >>>>> >>>>> Please consider supporting our efforts with a generous, tax-deductible donation. >>>>> >>>>> ? Thomas More Society | www.thomasmoresociety.org >>>>> 309 W. Washington Street Suite 1250, Chicago, IL 60606 >>>>> >>>>> HOME | PRIVACY POLICY | SUBSCRIPTION CENTER | UNSUBSCRIBE >>>>> This email was sent because cgestabrook at gmail.com has opted-in to receive special offers from Patheos. You may opt-out at any time by clicking the unsubscribe link above. Please allow up to 10 days for your email to be removed. >>>>> >>>>> 2037 Laskin Road Virginia Beach, VA 23454 >>>>> >>>>> Report Abuse to abuse at patheos.com. >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Peace mailing list >>>> Peace at lists.chambana.net >>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace mailing list >>> Peace at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace-discuss mailing list >>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > From carl at newsfromneptune.com Thu Oct 31 16:01:02 2019 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 11:01:02 -0500 Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Fwd: On trial for exposing Planned Parenthood In-Reply-To: References: <1877542122.5138328.1571832070940@mail.patheos.com> <160B39A8-6516-4438-BD2E-41686F2946F6@newsfromneptune.com> Message-ID: <7DAE5A6C-A85F-4593-AC7E-E09DB02682A0@newsfromneptune.com> It?s not a religious but an ethical principle, that ending a human life is wrong. > On Oct 31, 2019, at 10:16 AM, Debra Schrishuhn via Peace wrote: > > One of the founding principles of the U.S. was freedom from a state religion. Some religions teach that life begins at conception; others do not, and as Americans we have the right to believe or not to believe without interference from the state. I object to someone?s religious beliefs telling me in the form of laws or policy what medical procedures I can access. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 31, 2019, at 6:55 AM, Karen Aram wrote: >> >> I couldn?t agree more when it refers to human lives, but what you?re referring to is fetuses. >> >> >>> On Oct 31, 2019, at 04:21, C. G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: >>> >>> I would say we need more people (including old white men) saying ending human lives is wrong - at home and abroad. >>> >>> >>>> On Oct 30, 2019, at 4:19 AM, Debra Schrishuhn via Peace-discuss wrote: >>>> >>>> I am so sick of (mostly) old, (mostly) white men telling women what to do with their bodies. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 1:24 PM C. G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: >>>> Including those conceived but not yet born. >>>> >>>>> On Oct 28, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Lois Steinberg wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Reproductive freedom for all. >>>>> >>>>> Love >>>>> Lois >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 11:17 AM C. G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Patheos - Thomas More Society >>>>>> Subject: On trial for exposing Planned Parenthood >>>>>> Date: October 23, 2019 at 7:01:10 AM CDT >>>>>> To: "Friend" >>>>>> Reply-To: Patheos - Thomas More Society >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This email was sent on behalf of Thomas More Society >>>>>> Our thought-provoking newsletters are supported by our advertising sponsors. >>>>>> Patheos does not necessarily endorse the views they express or the products/services they offer. >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Friend, >>>>>> >>>>>> Planned Parenthood has drawn a line in the sand. They are not a healthcare organization that advocates for public policy when necessary. >>>>>> >>>>>> Planned Parenthood is a political machine, hell-bent on imposing their radical abortion agenda on America. >>>>>> >>>>>> And sparks are flying in San Francisco now that the trial of Planned Parenthood's outrageous lawsuit against pro-life hero David Daleiden is underway. >>>>>> >>>>>> David Daleiden is the pro-life citizen journalist who spent 30 months leading an undercover investigation that captured video evidence of Planned Parenthood conspiring to illegally harvest and sell aborted baby body parts. >>>>>> >>>>>> Planned Parenthood is seeking monetary "triple damages" plus over a million dollars for repayment of its attorneys' fees from David for his having exposed their horrific and illegal money-making scheme. >>>>>> >>>>>> That's right. Planned Parenthood is suing David. NOT the other way around! >>>>>> >>>>>> And they want the judge to order a permanent injunction (a ?gag order?) prohibiting David from ever releasing the rest of his video evidence of Planned Parenthood?s criminal wrongdoing. >>>>>> >>>>>> You see, David Daleiden poses the biggest threat to the abortion industry since Roe v. Wade ? so the radical abortion industry will do whatever it takes to silence him. >>>>>> >>>>>> That's why I'm asking you to make an emergency donation to help the Thomas More Society defend David Daleiden against Planned Parenthood. >>>>>> >>>>>> My friend, the reality is... >>>>>> >>>>>> You couldn't be there when David entered the dark underbelly of the abortion industry ? sitting across the table from abortionists haggling over the price of baby body parts with cold-blooded clarity... "I want a Lamborghini." >>>>>> >>>>>> You couldn't be there as David saw with his own eyes the preborn children who had been killed with great precision to preserve their organs for maximum profit. >>>>>> >>>>>> You couldn't be there when the videos were released and Planned Parenthood and their allies conspired to crush David with trumped up legal charges and an armed raid on his home in which they seized laptops, hard-drives, and recording equipment. >>>>>> >>>>>> And you couldn't be there with David when he appeared in both Texas and California for booking and processing ? fingerprinted and photographed for mug-shots like a common criminal. (But our criminal defense team was there!) >>>>>> >>>>>> But, now, this is the reality... there is something you can do to help vindicate this pro-life hero. >>>>>> >>>>>> My name is Tom Brejcha. I'm the President and Chief Counsel of the Thomas More Society ? a not-for-profit law firm underwriting and helping to spearhead David's civil and criminal defense. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Thomas More Society is proud to defend many of the most renowned leaders in America's pro-life movement... >>>>>> >>>>>> ...because when dark forces like Planned Parenthood unleash their full might to legally, financially and personally destroy our clients ? we fight back. >>>>>> >>>>>> And I have to tell you, even with the abortion industry?s efforts to destroy David?s livelihood and future, this young man?s spirits remain high. Of course, I've never known anyone in this kind of position who didn't feel an empty pit in his stomach. >>>>>> >>>>>> But David's not giving up. And he never will do so! In fact, I know he sees this as yet another opportunity to drag more of Planned Parenthood's dark criminality into the spotlight. >>>>>> >>>>>> My friend, that's what David set out to do ? and that's what you and I can make sure he continues doing by winning this legal battle. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now I'll get right down to it... We anticipate all of the costs associated with David's legal defense to exceed $5,000,000. That's right, FIVE MILLION DOLLARS. >>>>>> >>>>>> You see, it's not just this one legal battle we're fighting. >>>>>> >>>>>> Altogether David has been sued or prosecuted six times! Already we defeated a two-count felony and misdemeanor criminal case brought by the District Attorney of Harris County (Houston), Texas at the behest of Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast. And another nasty civil case brought by a baby body parts broker, Stem Express, in Los Angeles was dismissed. >>>>>> >>>>>> And we were just in California Criminal Court with David defending him against the 15 felony charges the Attorney General?s office filed against him in a politically motivated witch-hunt. (The Judge threw out one of the charges but will not issue his ruling on the rest until later this October.) >>>>>> >>>>>> As if that?s not enough, David still faces two separate racketeering (RICO) >>>>>> civil lawsuits in federal court in San Francisco, California, and a third in federal court up in Seattle. >>>>>> >>>>>> And to make matters worse, the U.S. Supreme Court has declined to hear our appeal of the unjust "gag order" preliminary injunction that, at least until the trial, prohibits David from releasing more of his videos exposing the abortion giant's evil! >>>>>> >>>>>> But Planned Parenthood has millions of dollars to spend on lawyers and lobbyists ? and they'll stop at nothing to silence David and prevent the truth from coming out. >>>>>> >>>>>> That's why we urgently need your financial support today. >>>>>> >>>>>> And that's why I'm praying you will use this link to make an emergency contribution of $35, $50, $100 or more to help the Thomas More Society defend David Daleiden against Planned Parenthood and their radical allies. >>>>>> >>>>>> This truly is a "David versus Goliath" type of battle ? with Planned Parenthood, the Attorney General of California, and their allies arrayed against our "David." >>>>>> >>>>>> It's a grave injustice that David is the one going on trial while Planned Parenthood (so far, at least) has gone unpunished. >>>>>> >>>>>> But by helping David defeat the lawsuits (and the felony charges)... you and I can allow him to continue with his incredibly important lifesaving work. >>>>>> >>>>>> So please make your emergency contribution of $35, $50, $100 or more today. >>>>>> >>>>>> I know David will be deeply touched and encouraged by your generous support. >>>>>> >>>>>> May God bless you, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Tom Brejcha >>>>>> President & Chief Counsel >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Thomas More Society is a not-for-profit, national public interest law firm dedicated to restoring respect in law for life, family, and religious liberty. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please consider supporting our efforts with a generous, tax-deductible donation. >>>>>> >>>>>> ? Thomas More Society | www.thomasmoresociety.org >>>>>> 309 W. Washington Street Suite 1250, Chicago, IL 60606 >>>>>> >>>>>> HOME | PRIVACY POLICY | SUBSCRIPTION CENTER | UNSUBSCRIBE >>>>>> This email was sent because cgestabrook at gmail.com has opted-in to receive special offers from Patheos. You may opt-out at any time by clicking the unsubscribe link above. Please allow up to 10 days for your email to be removed. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2037 Laskin Road Virginia Beach, VA 23454 >>>>>> >>>>>> Report Abuse to abuse at patheos.com. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Peace mailing list >>>>> Peace at lists.chambana.net >>>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Peace mailing list >>>> Peace at lists.chambana.net >>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Peace-discuss mailing list >>>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace mailing list >>> Peace at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >> > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From stuartnlevy at gmail.com Thu Oct 31 17:51:03 2019 From: stuartnlevy at gmail.com (Stuart Levy) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 12:51:03 -0500 Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Fwd: On trial for exposing Planned Parenthood In-Reply-To: References: <1877542122.5138328.1571832070940@mail.patheos.com> <160B39A8-6516-4438-BD2E-41686F2946F6@newsfromneptune.com> Message-ID: <1d089cbe-47f5-5b5a-6eb3-4629bc1b79ea@gmail.com> All, regardless of merits, this thread is a discussion, not an AWARE announcement.?? Please move this discussion off the Peace list. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com Thu Oct 31 18:58:57 2019 From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 14:58:57 -0400 Subject: [Peace] Jewish Athens vs. Jewish Sparta: the final smackdown In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://www.facebook.com/robert.naiman/posts/10158782746442656 Jewish Athens vs. Jewish Sparta: the final smackdown Prologue: The main thing we need from the Jewish Liberals now on Israel-Palestine is for the Jewish Liberals to stand up for the rights of Palestinians to speak their truths about their experiences. ?Speak your truth, though your voice shakes.? The rest is explanation. _*In the name of God, who is most merciful and compassionate:*_ Now we are engaged in a great civil war, over Jewish Athens vs. Jewish Sparta. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. Everyone should be thinking about where our next strategic battles lie. Bernie Sanders lived in Israel. Me too. Some people might dispute that I ?lived in Israel.? I lived in Ramallah, Birzeit, and Hebron. Is that ?Israel?? That?s the three billion dollar question, isn?t it? I visited a kibbutz. I went to the Wailing Wall. ?It?s just a wall!? Lina said. This is the same Lina who ?informed? me that the Grand Canyon is ?just a big hole.? _*Philistines!*_ Rashida Tlaib was blocked from visiting her friends and relatives by the Israeli government. Me too. Admittedly, I was more interested in visiting my friends than in visiting my relatives. But I _*could*_ have visited my relatives, if Israeli soldiers hadn?t stopped me at the Sheikh Husseini bridge and sent me back on the bus to Amman alone. Who?s to say I wasn?t going to visit my relatives? I often gave their address to expedite my passage through Israeli security. ?Just another American Jew going to visit my uncle the Rabbi. There?ll be no need to search my bags, inspect my underwear while I?m wearing it, or make me cool my heels for hours in the ?interrogation room? where you could die of old age waiting to be ?interrogated?.? Charles Lenchner was imprisoned in Israel for refusing to participate in the Israeli occupation. Me too. Some people may claim that my refusal to participate in the Israeli occupation was a little more aggressive. Your mileage may vary. When I sat on the roof of a Palestinian home in Hebron that the Israeli military planned to demolish, and when I refused to move when Israeli soldiers ordered me to do so, I anticipated that being arrested and imprisoned in Israel was a possible consequence of my actions. I had priced that into the market. I didn?t anticipate being beaten by Israeli soldiers. I did not see that coming. Literally, I didn?t see it coming. I was face down on the ground, with my hands cuffed behind my back, when an Israeli soldier rammed his knee into my back, pushed my mouth in the dirt, and told me to eat. That I didn?t expect. I didn?t expect them to do that to an American Jew. That was the day I lost the last remnant of my Zionist attachments. That was the day I took my last dosage of the Red Pill. Now we are engaged in a great civil war, over Jewish Athens vs. Jewish Sparta. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We?ve had our practice round. We?ve separated the sheep from the goats. Let?s go after the Death Star. I was always planning to go after the Death Star. I never gave up on the Quest to go after the Death Star. If the Jewish Liberals don?t like it, they can drink the water of the sea. The sea is behind us, and the enemy in front. Let?s be pragmatic, incrementalist reformists. Let?s start by going after a little nick of the Death Star. That?s how we started on Saudi Arabia. We went after a little nick. We tried to stop the transfer of cluster bombs to Saudi Arabia. Let?s go after a little nick of the Death Star. Let?s force a floor vote. Let?s call the roll. Let?s see who?s protecting the Death Star from a little nick. If the Jewish Liberals don?t like it, they can drink the water of the sea. The sea is behind us, and the enemy in front. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: