From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Apr 1 01:06:25 2020 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 18:06:25 -0700 Subject: [Peace] Jimmy Dore outdid himself this time, uncloaking the "progressives." Message-ID: I just saw this one by Jimmy Dore, he?s truly outdone himself uncloaking the lies and duplicity of the so-called progressives. A must listen, Jimmy offers suggestions as to ?what is to be done.? https://jimmydorecomedy.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Apr 1 01:14:31 2020 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 18:14:31 -0700 Subject: [Peace] Fwd: Jimmy Dore outdid himself this time, uncloaking the "progressives." References: Message-ID: Be sure to listen to Brave Republican Stands Against Stimulus ALONE > > I just saw this one by Jimmy Dore, he?s truly outdone himself uncloaking the lies and duplicity of the so-called progressives. A must listen, Jimmy offers suggestions as to ?what is to be done.? > > https://jimmydorecomedy.com/ _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net Wed Apr 1 16:59:59 2020 From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 11:59:59 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Jimmy Dore outdid himself this time, uncloaking the "progressives." In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009701d60846$fb732a90$f2597fb0$@comcast.net> Indeed Karen, This is really excellent. Of course it is disheartening at the same time, since one tries to use whatever is available, no matter if it is a bit flawed, to accomplish something, anything, just so there is some movement in the direction we need to be going. This really reveals just how corrupt and powerful the DNC controlled Democratic party is. For anyone including myself, who thought that there was a tactical chance of creating a people?s opposition inside the Democratic party that might someday actually become the majority, well, this is now proof positive that that will NEVER happen. It appears that anyone who enters the realm of the Democratic party at the national level, no matter how well intentioned they are at first, always become corrupted or compromised. OR they are driven out of office like they did to Dennis Kucinich and Cynthia McKinney. There is no sugar coating it ? Bernie Sanders, AOC and even my favorite, Ihlan Omar, SOLD US OUT ! By voting for the corporate robbery bill that is the greatest transfer of wealth from the people to the wealthy in the history of the world. Of course the above mentioned could not have stopped it, but they could have refused to vote for it and used that opportunity to speak out and state why, and to attempt to break the bill into two parts. One an immediate people?s bail out and the 2nd the corporate bail out to be delayed for scrutinizing and negotiation. Negotiation ?... YES, like demanding immediate ; Medicare for All, student debt forgiveness, free post high school education, bringing ALL U.S. troops home to fight the virus, $ 15 per hour national minimum wage, and a $ 1200 per month PERMANENT UBI ( Universal Basic Income ) with NO reduction in current social security, food stamp, or public assistance. But oh no, not a single act of opposition, just theatrical speeches from Sanders , AOC, et al about how horrible the bill is and then all of them voting for it anyway. Boy, that is really using political leverage. What a phony opposition, a pseudo resistance to corporate power that Pelosi, Schumer, et al and the DNC of course are a part of, along with their allies the Republicans. The ONLY solution is building a people?s party coalition OUTSIDE the Democratic party. Of course, electoral politics is NOT the main tool in the tool box. Nonviolent yet very confrontational direct action tactics need to be used. However, electoral politics is important IF used correctly. That being as a tactic ( a bully pulpit organizing tool ) in conjunction with direct action / mobilizations, as opposed to an end in and if itself. WE all have tried to do what we can in the past with varying degrees of success, but ultimately it will have to be a huge mobilization by younger people in their 20?s and 30?s before any real change will begin to happen. The big question of course is ? how bad does it have to get before that happens ? My thoughts of the day. David J. From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 8:15 PM To: J.B. Nicholson; C G Estabrook; David Green; David Johnson; Brussel, Morton K; Mildred O'brien Cc: peace Subject: Fwd: [Peace] Jimmy Dore outdid himself this time, uncloaking the "progressives." Be sure to listen to Brave Republican Stands Against Stimulus ALONE I just saw this one by Jimmy Dore, he?s truly outdone himself uncloaking the lies and duplicity of the so-called progressives. A must listen, Jimmy offers suggestions as to ?what is to be done.? https://jimmydorecomedy.com/ _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Apr 1 19:42:26 2020 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 12:42:26 -0700 Subject: [Peace] Jimmy Dore outdid himself this time, uncloaking the "progressives." In-Reply-To: <009701d60846$fb732a90$f2597fb0$@comcast.net> References: <009701d60846$fb732a90$f2597fb0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Well said, David. Please when able, post your response on FB, on the JD posting I have up on AWARE?s FB page, etc. None of this either disappoints or surprises me, given I have no hope that the Democrat Party will do anything but either corrupt well meaning people, or in the case of AOC and Ilhan, they were groomed to be sheepherders for the DNC, ensuring no third Party captures the majority, ensuring the people don?t see the theatrics being played out by these individuals receiving media attention as celebrity?s. Something neither Jill Stein or Ajamu Baraka were ever able to do. I agree, elections are tools in the toolbox, the PSL as a Party knows and uses this in order to enlighten the public. They however know being a minority they will never succeed in winning an election, they just want to be heard. My letter to the NG last December is negative, but it was a warning to those who had their hopes up, of what was to come: Letter to the Editor | One-party system crushing everyone There is a current, new direction the Democrats are forced to take, to clean up their image. We shouldn?t be fooled though, it?s the position many have been taking for some time now, given they aren?t able to hide it any longer. The strategy: point out the ?division? within the party, and how necessary it is to vote and support the new ?left wing? of the Democrat Party i.e. Sanders, Warren, Gabbard, AOC, etc., as they battle the conservative Pelosi, Adam Schiff, Schumer, etc., and all the other war mongers, who supported everything the Republicans have been doing, with an occasional complaint, to maintain the image of ?liberal.? It shows a lack of comprehension and acknowledgement that our institutions are broken, our capitalist system of empire is dying, and a total lack of knowledge related to history and power. These leaders aren?t ignorant or stupid. But they are counting on our ignorance, our political illiteracy as well as our focus on positive thinking to continue this circus of elections ensuring our elitist oligarchs maintain power under our two-headed one-party system, thus ensuring a third party does not challenge their power. Our foreign policy continues as if on auto-pilot, it matters not which of the two-party system is in power. The goal: to keep us focused on individuals, as the U.S. government continues to destroy and impoverish, both here and abroad, as if removal of specific individuals will eliminate the rot of our system, given the corporate capitalist powers behind the throne. KAREN ARAM Urbana > On Apr 1, 2020, at 09:59, David Johnson wrote: > > Indeed Karen, > > This is really excellent. > > Of course it is disheartening at the same time, since one tries to use whatever is available, no matter if it is a bit flawed, to accomplish something, anything, just so there is some movement in the direction we need to be going. > > This really reveals just how corrupt and powerful the DNC controlled Democratic party is. > For anyone including myself, who thought that there was a tactical chance of creating a people?s opposition inside the Democratic party that might someday actually become the majority, well, this is now proof positive that that will NEVER happen. > It appears that anyone who enters the realm of the Democratic party at the national level, no matter how well intentioned they are at first, always become corrupted or compromised. OR they are driven out of office like they did to Dennis Kucinich and Cynthia McKinney. > > There is no sugar coating it ? Bernie Sanders, AOC and even my favorite, Ihlan Omar, SOLD US OUT ! > By voting for the corporate robbery bill that is the greatest transfer of wealth from the people to the wealthy in the history of the world. > > Of course the above mentioned could not have stopped it, but they could have refused to vote for it and used that opportunity to speak out and state why, and to attempt to break the bill into two parts. One an immediate people?s bail out and the 2nd the corporate bail out to be delayed for scrutinizing and negotiation. > > Negotiation ?... YES, like demanding immediate ; Medicare for All, student debt forgiveness, free post high school education, bringing ALL U.S. troops home to fight the virus, $ 15 per hour national minimum wage, and a $ 1200 per month PERMANENT UBI ( Universal Basic Income ) with NO reduction in current social security, food stamp, or public assistance. > > But oh no, not a single act of opposition, just theatrical speeches from Sanders , AOC, et al about how horrible the bill is and then all of them voting for it anyway. Boy, that is really using political leverage. What a phony opposition, a pseudo resistance to corporate power that Pelosi, Schumer, et al and the DNC of course are a part of, along with their allies the Republicans. > > The ONLY solution is building a people?s party coalition OUTSIDE the Democratic party. > > Of course, electoral politics is NOT the main tool in the tool box. Nonviolent yet very confrontational direct action tactics need to be used. However, electoral politics is important IF used correctly. That being as a tactic ( a bully pulpit organizing tool ) in conjunction with direct action / mobilizations, as opposed to an end in and if itself. > > WE all have tried to do what we can in the past with varying degrees of success, but ultimately it will have to be a huge mobilization by younger people in their 20?s and 30?s before any real change will begin to happen. > The big question of course is ? how bad does it have to get before that happens ? > > My thoughts of the day. > > David J. > > > > From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 8:15 PM > To: J.B. Nicholson; C G Estabrook; David Green; David Johnson; Brussel, Morton K; Mildred O'brien > Cc: peace > Subject: Fwd: [Peace] Jimmy Dore outdid himself this time, uncloaking the "progressives." > > Be sure to listen to Brave Republican Stands Against Stimulus ALONE > > > > I just saw this one by Jimmy Dore, he?s truly outdone himself uncloaking the lies and duplicity of the so-called progressives. A must listen, Jimmy offers suggestions as to ?what is to be done.? > > https://jimmydorecomedy.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Apr 1 21:14:19 2020 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 14:14:19 -0700 Subject: [Peace] My letter published by the NG about two weeks ago. Message-ID: Facebook Twitter Email Print <>Save Joe Biden as president is the choice of the ruling elites to ensure their policies of impoverishing the masses goes unnoticed. Their form of imperialism is by way of interventions with the use of proxies, quietly using the CIA, keeping Americans docile as we continue to destroy through coups, and sanctions, rather than bombing and all-out war. They don?t wish to create anti-war mass movements across the nation endangering their power. This faction of the ruling elites thinks strategically and long term, as they represent the oil and fossil fuel industries, banks, Wall Street, etc., as opposed to the current Trump administration representing the other faction of the ruling elites known as the entrepreneurial class, focused on maximizing short-term profits. Both represent the powers that be, who care nothing for the working class. They simply represent two separate factions, often referred to as the Establishment, the Ruling Elites, the Deep State. They control capital, the centers of economic power, the means of production, with the goal of preserving capitalism and the existing financial order, which requires social peace, not instability. They also want to stop growth and maintain their control of the world. Anybody but Bernie is their mandate, who in spite of his poor record on foreign policy supporting imperialism, challenges Wall Street, the banks and the for-profit health care industry, on behalf of the American people. KAREN ARAM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brussel at illinois.edu Thu Apr 2 03:04:38 2020 From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 03:04:38 +0000 Subject: [Peace] Jimmy Dore outdid himself this time, uncloaking the "progressives." In-Reply-To: References: <009701d60846$fb732a90$f2597fb0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <22AC009B-FF11-4F04-97EF-846A257F177C@illinois.edu> It is not clear to me that Sanders, AOC and others on the left of the Dem party realized in advance that they would be betrayed/opposed by the party ?leaders" and that they would in turn betray their initial followers. You?d have to crawl into their minds to know that. In any case, they did emasculate their following in compromising their initial positions and then nosing up to Schumer, Pelosi and company. Deciding finally to back Biden, and voting for the retrograde budget. They will most likely be disappointed if they think they made friends and gained influence with that group. Their seeming initial independence, with its more radical policies on health policy, economics, environmentalism, even criticism of Israel, were never appreciated. On the contrary, they were considered to be a threat to the desired corporate inspired status quo. The political system in the country is, and has been, corrupt, and it is unclear how it can be cured, except by a mass public eruption, perhaps initiated by some disaster such as we are on the verge of seeing. The problem has been that the narrative promulgated (on TV, radio, mainstream newspapers and periodicals) is controlled by this pervasive media, lubricated by money and power interests. Their propaganda makes it difficult to effectively organize a large public following against the reigning system and to have effective spokespeople heard. As an aside, I watched the Jimmy Dore program. He made his points compellingly, but I wondered why he needed to use the obscene language he so readily employs? To reach and identify with the masses? To emphasize his anger, his dismay, his disgust? I was repelled by it. On Apr 1, 2020, at 2:42 PM, Karen Aram > wrote: Well said, David. Please when able, post your response on FB, on the JD posting I have up on AWARE?s FB page, etc. None of this either disappoints or surprises me, given I have no hope that the Democrat Party will do anything but either corrupt well meaning people, or in the case of AOC and Ilhan, they were groomed to be sheepherders for the DNC, ensuring no third Party captures the majority, ensuring the people don?t see the theatrics being played out by these individuals receiving media attention as celebrity?s. Something neither Jill Stein or Ajamu Baraka were ever able to do. I agree, elections are tools in the toolbox, the PSL as a Party knows and uses this in order to enlighten the public. They however know being a minority they will never succeed in winning an election, they just want to be heard. My letter to the NG last December is negative, but it was a warning to those who had their hopes up, of what was to come: Letter to the Editor | One-party system crushing everyone There is a current, new direction the Democrats are forced to take, to clean up their image. We shouldn?t be fooled though, it?s the position many have been taking for some time now, given they aren?t able to hide it any longer. The strategy: point out the ?division? within the party, and how necessary it is to vote and support the new ?left wing? of the Democrat Party i.e. Sanders, Warren, Gabbard, AOC, etc., as they battle the conservative Pelosi, Adam Schiff, Schumer, etc., and all the other war mongers, who supported everything the Republicans have been doing, with an occasional complaint, to maintain the image of ?liberal.? It shows a lack of comprehension and acknowledgement that our institutions are broken, our capitalist system of empire is dying, and a total lack of knowledge related to history and power. These leaders aren?t ignorant or stupid. But they are counting on our ignorance, our political illiteracy as well as our focus on positive thinking to continue this circus of elections ensuring our elitist oligarchs maintain power under our two-headed one-party system, thus ensuring a third party does not challenge their power. Our foreign policy continues as if on auto-pilot, it matters not which of the two-party system is in power. The goal: to keep us focused on individuals, as the U.S. government continues to destroy and impoverish, both here and abroad, as if removal of specific individuals will eliminate the rot of our system, given the corporate capitalist powers behind the throne. KAREN ARAM Urbana On Apr 1, 2020, at 09:59, David Johnson > wrote: Indeed Karen, This is really excellent. Of course it is disheartening at the same time, since one tries to use whatever is available, no matter if it is a bit flawed, to accomplish something, anything, just so there is some movement in the direction we need to be going. This really reveals just how corrupt and powerful the DNC controlled Democratic party is. For anyone including myself, who thought that there was a tactical chance of creating a people?s opposition inside the Democratic party that might someday actually become the majority, well, this is now proof positive that that will NEVER happen. It appears that anyone who enters the realm of the Democratic party at the national level, no matter how well intentioned they are at first, always become corrupted or compromised. OR they are driven out of office like they did to Dennis Kucinich and Cynthia McKinney. There is no sugar coating it ? Bernie Sanders, AOC and even my favorite, Ihlan Omar, SOLD US OUT ! By voting for the corporate robbery bill that is the greatest transfer of wealth from the people to the wealthy in the history of the world. Of course the above mentioned could not have stopped it, but they could have refused to vote for it and used that opportunity to speak out and state why, and to attempt to break the bill into two parts. One an immediate people?s bail out and the 2nd the corporate bail out to be delayed for scrutinizing and negotiation. Negotiation ?... YES, like demanding immediate ; Medicare for All, student debt forgiveness, free post high school education, bringing ALL U.S. troops home to fight the virus, $ 15 per hour national minimum wage, and a $ 1200 per month PERMANENT UBI ( Universal Basic Income ) with NO reduction in current social security, food stamp, or public assistance. But oh no, not a single act of opposition, just theatrical speeches from Sanders , AOC, et al about how horrible the bill is and then all of them voting for it anyway. Boy, that is really using political leverage. What a phony opposition, a pseudo resistance to corporate power that Pelosi, Schumer, et al and the DNC of course are a part of, along with their allies the Republicans. The ONLY solution is building a people?s party coalition OUTSIDE the Democratic party. Of course, electoral politics is NOT the main tool in the tool box. Nonviolent yet very confrontational direct action tactics need to be used. However, electoral politics is important IF used correctly. That being as a tactic ( a bully pulpit organizing tool ) in conjunction with direct action / mobilizations, as opposed to an end in and if itself. WE all have tried to do what we can in the past with varying degrees of success, but ultimately it will have to be a huge mobilization by younger people in their 20?s and 30?s before any real change will begin to happen. The big question of course is ? how bad does it have to get before that happens ? My thoughts of the day. David J. From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 8:15 PM To: J.B. Nicholson; C G Estabrook; David Green; David Johnson; Brussel, Morton K; Mildred O'brien Cc: peace Subject: Fwd: [Peace] Jimmy Dore outdid himself this time, uncloaking the "progressives." Be sure to listen to Brave Republican Stands Against Stimulus ALONE I just saw this one by Jimmy Dore, he?s truly outdone himself uncloaking the lies and duplicity of the so-called progressives. A must listen, Jimmy offers suggestions as to ?what is to be done.? https://jimmydorecomedy.com/ _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbn at forestfield.org Thu Apr 2 04:16:14 2020 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 23:16:14 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Coup news: Grayzone covering Lula on Venezuela where other English-language media won't Message-ID: Ben Norton of The Grayzone filed https://thegrayzone.com/2020/03/30/brazil-lula-maduro-guaido-us-blockade/ which is certainly worth reading. Here's the first part: > In comments ignored by English-language media, Lula da Silva slammed the US coup > attempt against Venezuela, calling Nicol?s Maduro a democratic leader who has > supported dialogue while blasting Juan Guaid? as a criminal. > > The far-right government of Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro is one of > Washington?s closest allies in Latin America. It has played a major supporting > role in the Donald Trump administration?s coup attempt against Venezuela, even > supporting a terror plot against the government of President Nicol?s Maduro. > > This March, the Bolsonaro administration signed a historic military agreement, > bringing Brazil directly into the US imperial sphere of influence, essentially > merging the country?s defense industry with Washington?s military-industrial > complex. > > Days before the deal was finalized, however, Brazil?s former president, the > left-wing labor organizer Lula da Silva, spoke out vociferously against US > meddling in Latin America, harshly criticizing Washington?s putsch against Evo > Morales in Bolivia and its ongoing coup attempt against Venezuela. > > In an interview with Brazilian media that has yet to be covered in the > English-language press, Lula condemned US-backed Venezuelan coup leader Juan > Guaid? as a warmongering criminal who should be in prison. He went on to emphasize > that President Nicol?s Maduro is a democratically elected leader who has > encouraged peace and diplomacy. > > ?Europe and the United States can?t recognize a fraud who declares himself to be > president,? Lula said, referring to Guaid?. ?It is not right. Because if fashion > takes over democracy, it is thrown in the garbage, and any scammer can declare > themself president. I could declare myself president of Brazil, but where would > democracy go?? > > Lula was interviewed by Folha de S.Paulo, the most widely circulated Brazilian > newspaper, which is owned by an elite family of billionaire media oligarchs. > > When the paper pushed back against his comments, calling Maduro a ?dictator,? Lula > stressed that the Venezuelan president was elected, and has shown the kind of > patience and restraint that no other leader would in similar circumstances. > > ?He [Guaid?] should be in prison,? Lula said. ?And Maduro was so democratic and > did not arrest him when he went to Colombia to try to instigate an invasion of > Venezuela.? > > ?The one who is taking the initiative to talk is Maduro, not Guaid?,? Lula stated. > ?Guaid? would like the Americans to invade Venezuela ? in fact, he even tried to > force it.? > > The newspaper pushed back again, saying Maduro has presided over an economic > crisis in Venezuela. > > ?Whether his government is doing well or not, that?s another story. But you aren?t > going to attack all of the countries that aren?t doing well,? Lula responded. > > ?People can?t criticize Maduro and not criticize the blockade. The blockade > doesn?t attack soldiers, it doesn?t kill the guilty, the blockade kills > innocents,? the former Brazilian president said. > > These remarks from Lula received virtually no coverage in the English-language > press, although they were widely covered in Portuguese- and Spanish-language > media. From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu Apr 2 12:46:49 2020 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 05:46:49 -0700 Subject: [Peace] Jimmy Dore outdid himself this time, uncloaking the "progressives." In-Reply-To: <22AC009B-FF11-4F04-97EF-846A257F177C@illinois.edu> References: <009701d60846$fb732a90$f2597fb0$@comcast.net> <22AC009B-FF11-4F04-97EF-846A257F177C@illinois.edu> Message-ID: I agree Jimmy Dore?s language is quite repelling, though this is becoming the norm in media. Stand up comedians tend to be quite vulgar and always have, but at the end of the day, nothing is worse than what our government does, and the angry words reflect the anger at the horrors being perpetrated against the vulnerable, which has been taking place incrementally for many years, now due to the pandemic, as if on steroids. Again, I say look at what they do, not what they say. In the case of our elected representatives, it?s their votes that matter. Yes, mass movements are most important and they will take place in the very near future by the angry, frustrated, dispossessed. Let us hope they are organized, using civil disobedience/resistance, with a plan by leaders such as those involved in the Occupy Movement, or Extermination Rebellion focused appropriately on government, and Wall St., and don?t take the form of the anarchist chaotic bands of gangs as we saw at Berkeley or in Portland, using mindless violence fighting one another, creating only chaos. > On Apr 1, 2020, at 20:04, Brussel, Morton K wrote: > > It is not clear to me that Sanders, AOC and others on the left of the Dem party realized in advance that they would be betrayed/opposed by the party ?leaders" and that they would in turn betray their initial followers. You?d have to crawl into their minds to know that. In any case, they did emasculate their following in compromising their initial positions and then nosing up to Schumer, Pelosi and company. Deciding finally to back Biden, and voting for the retrograde budget. They will most likely be disappointed if they think they made friends and gained influence with that group. Their seeming initial independence, with its more radical policies on health policy, economics, environmentalism, even criticism of Israel, were never appreciated. On the contrary, they were considered to be a threat to the desired corporate inspired status quo. > > The political system in the country is, and has been, corrupt, and it is unclear how it can be cured, except by a mass public eruption, perhaps initiated by some disaster such as we are on the verge of seeing. The problem has been that the narrative promulgated (on TV, radio, mainstream newspapers and periodicals) is controlled by this pervasive media, lubricated by money and power interests. Their propaganda makes it difficult to effectively organize a large public following against the reigning system and to have effective spokespeople heard. > > As an aside, I watched the Jimmy Dore program. He made his points compellingly, but I wondered why he needed to use the obscene language he so readily employs? To reach and identify with the masses? To emphasize his anger, his dismay, his disgust? > I was repelled by it. > >> On Apr 1, 2020, at 2:42 PM, Karen Aram > wrote: >> >> Well said, David. >> >> Please when able, post your response on FB, on the JD posting I have up on AWARE?s FB page, etc. >> >> None of this either disappoints or surprises me, given I have no hope that the Democrat Party will do anything but either corrupt well meaning people, or in the case of AOC and Ilhan, they were groomed to be sheepherders for the DNC, ensuring no third Party captures the majority, ensuring the people don?t see the theatrics being played out by these individuals receiving media attention as celebrity?s. Something neither Jill Stein or Ajamu Baraka were ever able to do. >> >> I agree, elections are tools in the toolbox, the PSL as a Party knows and uses this in order to enlighten the public. They however know being a minority they will never succeed in winning an election, they just want to be heard. >> >> My letter to the NG last December is negative, but it was a warning to those who had their hopes up, of what was to come: >> >> Letter to the Editor | One-party system crushing everyone >> >> There is a current, new direction the Democrats are forced to take, to clean up their image. >> >> We shouldn?t be fooled though, it?s the position many have been taking for some time now, given they aren?t able to hide it any longer. >> >> The strategy: point out the ?division? within the party, and how necessary it is to vote and support the new ?left wing? of the Democrat Party i.e. Sanders, Warren, Gabbard, AOC, etc., as they battle the conservative Pelosi, Adam Schiff, Schumer, etc., and all the other war mongers, who supported everything the Republicans have been doing, with an occasional complaint, to maintain the image of ?liberal.? >> >> It shows a lack of comprehension and acknowledgement that our institutions are broken, our capitalist system of empire is dying, and a total lack of knowledge related to history and power. >> >> These leaders aren?t ignorant or stupid. But they are counting on our ignorance, our political illiteracy as well as our focus on positive thinking to continue this circus of elections ensuring our elitist oligarchs maintain power under our two-headed one-party system, thus ensuring a third party does not challenge their power. >> >> Our foreign policy continues as if on auto-pilot, it matters not which of the two-party system is in power. >> >> The goal: to keep us focused on individuals, as the U.S. government continues to destroy and impoverish, both here and abroad, as if removal of specific individuals will eliminate the rot of our system, given the corporate capitalist powers behind the throne. >> >> KAREN ARAM >> >> Urbana >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Apr 1, 2020, at 09:59, David Johnson > wrote: >>> >>> Indeed Karen, >>> >>> This is really excellent. >>> >>> Of course it is disheartening at the same time, since one tries to use whatever is available, no matter if it is a bit flawed, to accomplish something, anything, just so there is some movement in the direction we need to be going. >>> >>> This really reveals just how corrupt and powerful the DNC controlled Democratic party is. >>> For anyone including myself, who thought that there was a tactical chance of creating a people?s opposition inside the Democratic party that might someday actually become the majority, well, this is now proof positive that that will NEVER happen. >>> It appears that anyone who enters the realm of the Democratic party at the national level, no matter how well intentioned they are at first, always become corrupted or compromised. OR they are driven out of office like they did to Dennis Kucinich and Cynthia McKinney. >>> >>> There is no sugar coating it ? Bernie Sanders, AOC and even my favorite, Ihlan Omar, SOLD US OUT ! >>> By voting for the corporate robbery bill that is the greatest transfer of wealth from the people to the wealthy in the history of the world. >>> >>> Of course the above mentioned could not have stopped it, but they could have refused to vote for it and used that opportunity to speak out and state why, and to attempt to break the bill into two parts. One an immediate people?s bail out and the 2nd the corporate bail out to be delayed for scrutinizing and negotiation. >>> >>> Negotiation ?... YES, like demanding immediate ; Medicare for All, student debt forgiveness, free post high school education, bringing ALL U.S. troops home to fight the virus, $ 15 per hour national minimum wage, and a $ 1200 per month PERMANENT UBI ( Universal Basic Income ) with NO reduction in current social security, food stamp, or public assistance. >>> >>> But oh no, not a single act of opposition, just theatrical speeches from Sanders , AOC, et al about how horrible the bill is and then all of them voting for it anyway. Boy, that is really using political leverage. What a phony opposition, a pseudo resistance to corporate power that Pelosi, Schumer, et al and the DNC of course are a part of, along with their allies the Republicans. >>> >>> The ONLY solution is building a people?s party coalition OUTSIDE the Democratic party. >>> >>> Of course, electoral politics is NOT the main tool in the tool box. Nonviolent yet very confrontational direct action tactics need to be used. However, electoral politics is important IF used correctly. That being as a tactic ( a bully pulpit organizing tool ) in conjunction with direct action / mobilizations, as opposed to an end in and if itself. >>> >>> WE all have tried to do what we can in the past with varying degrees of success, but ultimately it will have to be a huge mobilization by younger people in their 20?s and 30?s before any real change will begin to happen. >>> The big question of course is ? how bad does it have to get before that happens ? >>> >>> My thoughts of the day. >>> >>> David J. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com ] >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 8:15 PM >>> To: J.B. Nicholson; C G Estabrook; David Green; David Johnson; Brussel, Morton K; Mildred O'brien >>> Cc: peace >>> Subject: Fwd: [Peace] Jimmy Dore outdid himself this time, uncloaking the "progressives." >>> >>> Be sure to listen to Brave Republican Stands Against Stimulus ALONE >>> >>> >>> >>> I just saw this one by Jimmy Dore, he?s truly outdone himself uncloaking the lies and duplicity of the so-called progressives. A must listen, Jimmy offers suggestions as to ?what is to be done.? >>> >>> https://jimmydorecomedy.com/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace mailing list >>> Peace at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu Apr 2 12:53:16 2020 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 05:53:16 -0700 Subject: [Peace] As Washington privatized pandemic preparation, the national security state left Americans defenseless against coronavirus Message-ID: BY GARETH PORTER March 30, 2020 As Washington privatized pandemic preparation, the national security state left Americans defenseless against coronavirus Share Tweet Responsibility for pandemic preparation was privatized under the Obama and Trump administrations. It?s time to face down the national security state that wasted trillions on imperial wars and abandoned Americans to fight coronavirus alone. By Gareth Porter Donald Trump?s failure to act decisively to control the coronavirus pandemic has likely made the Covid-19 pandemic far more lethal than it should have been. But the reasons behind failure to get protective and life-saving equipment like masks and ventilators into the hands of health workers and hospitals run deeper than Trump?s self-centered recklessness. Both the Obama and Trump administrations quietly delegated state and local authorities with the essential national security responsibility for obtaining and distributing these vital items. The failure of leadership was compounded the lack of any federal power center that embraced the idea that guarding for a pandemic was at least as important to national security as preparing for war. For decades, the military-industrial-congressional complex has force-fed the American public a warped conception of US national security focused entirely around perpetuating warfare. The cynical conflation of national security with waging war on designated enemies around the globe effectively stifled public awareness of the clear and present danger posed to its survival by global pandemic. As a result, Congress was simply not called upon to fund the vitally important equipment that doctors and nurses needed for the Covid-19 crisis. At the heart of the growing coronavirus crisis in the US is a severe shortage of N95 respirators and ventilators. Those items should have been available in sufficient numbers through the Strategic National Stockpile (SNS), which holds the nation?s largest supplies necessary for national emergencies. But the stocks of crucial medical have not been maintained for years, largely because Congress has not provided the necessary funding. Congress has been willing to dole out load of cash after pandemics hit the US. When the H1N1 flu crisis hit the United States in 2009, and close to 300,000 Americans were hospitalized, Congress appropriated $7.7 billion in special funding , including support for building up the SNS. That allowed the stockpile to provide 85 million respirators and millions of ventilators to hospitals around the country, especially during the second half of the yearlong crisis. But since that 2009-10 crisis ended, the stockpile of such vital equipment has never been replenished . In 2020 the stockpile holds only 12 million N95 respirators ? as little as 1 percent of what is now needed by health workers ? and just 16,000 ventilators , compared with the estimated 750,000 people at minimum who will need a ventilator because of the Covid-19 pandemic. These numbers are so scandalously low in relation to what is needed that senior officials Department of Health and Human Services have refused to reveal publicly how many they have in stock. The failure to maintain those items in the stockpile was not the result of any lack of warning about the serious risk of a global pandemic that could be worse than any since the 1918 Spanish flu. It has been obvious that the frequency and ferocity of such rapidly spreading flu pandemics has been steadily rising throughout the 21st century. The parade of recent pandemics began with SARS in 2002-3, continued with the much more serious H1N1 pandemic in 2009, and escalated with the spread of MERS IN 2012. Each one involved influenza viruses. The H1N1 pandemic infected nearly 61 million Americans and hospitalized 274,000, causing 12,500 deaths. Another epidemic of the Ebola virus spread across much of Africa in 2014-16 but made only a slight appearance in the United States. George Poste, a former director of Arizona State University?s Biodesign Institute with close ties to the US military-intelligence apparatus, warned in 2018 that even though the horror of the 1918 flu epidemic had not been repeated, it was ?inevitable that a pandemic strain of equal virulence will emerge.? The awareness of the threat of a pandemic even reached into the National Security Council. In 2015, once the Ebola crisis had passed, the Obama administration?s departing Ebola coordinator convinced the White House to create an National Security Council (NSC) office for the threat from pandemics. Then, a week before Trump?s inauguration, Obama?s outgoing homeland security adviser, Lisa Monaco, organized a simulation based on how the administration would respond to what she called a ?nightmare scenario?: a flu pandemic that forces a halt to international travel and causes a stock market crash and for which there is no effective vaccine. In May 2018, Luciana Borio, the director for medical and biodefense preparedness on the NSC staff, declared publicly that a flu pandemic that we ?know cannot be stopped at the border? was the leading health security threat, and that the United States was not prepared for it. But neither the NSC office nor the NSC itself produced a major initiative to focus political attention on the pandemic threat. The office?s role, as described by Beth Cameron, who oversaw it, was limited to closely monitoring global health threats to provide early warning of any potential pandemic. So when arch-militarist John Bolton promptly downgraded the office after becoming Trump?s national security adviser, it made little difference. Responsibility for domestic preparedness for a pandemic has always belonged not to NSC but to the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). HHS organized a month-long simulation in 2019 involving a number of federal offices that ultimately demonstrated how seriously unprepared the government was to cope with a pandemic. Following such an exercise, it should have been obvious that a new stockpile of necessary medical gear was urgently needed. However, the HHS made no serious effort to replenish the country?s diminished stockpiles of masks, ventilators, and other critical supplies. And even if it had, it would have had to have competed with a much more powerful military-industrial complex for funding, and almost certainly would have failed. Deeply entrenched bureaucracies and defense contractors dominate the federal government. Thanks to hefty campaign contributions and other benefits to members of Congress who control budgetary decisions, the national security state is easily able to secure its demands. In contrast, no such lobbying complex exists to ensure the country is adequately prepared for a pandemic. In fact, as Greg Burel, the director of the US strategic stockpile from 2009 to 2021, explained , HHS and the Strategic National Stockpile lost all responsibility for sending N-95 masks and ventilators to state and local health services and hospitals in a national health emergency. Hospitals and state and local health departments must therefore compete with one another to obtain limited commercially available suppliers after they are already knee-deep in a pandemic. Responsibility for the preparation for the most significant threat to US security ? a pandemic that would upend the economy and society as a whole ? was thus privatized under both the Obama and Trump administrations. At the same time, a bipartisan consensus emerged around shoveling $15 trillion in taxpayer money into wars that had little to do with national security in any true sense, and focused instead on the perpetuation of American empire. The catastrophic human consequences of the failure to provide these essentials for a minimally adequate response should become the basis of nationwide political movement that takes on the national security state and its deadly grip on Congress. Multi-billion-dollar weapons systems may have provided lucrative kickbacks to members of Congress and spacious Northern Virginia McMansions to arms industry lobbyists, but they have not provided an iota of security from coronavirus. Such a movement would have seemed impossible only a few weeks ago. But after decades of preemption of resources for the parochial interests of a self-serving national security bureaucracy and its elite political allies, it is clear that most Americans have been abandoned before a pandemic their leaders dismissed and ignored. A simple insistence that the actual security interests of the American people be served, rather than those of militarists who have hijacked the concept of national security for their own self-interest, is paramount. A movement demanding this radical shift could be driven by very reasonable expectation that untold hundreds of thousands could die during a series of viral outbreaks throughout the next decade. As Dr. Peter Daszek, the president of the EcoHealth Alliance and a leading expert in predicting their impact of pandemics, recently told the Wall Street Journal, ?We?re going to be hit with a much bigger one sometime in the next 10 years.? Gareth Porter Gareth Porter is an independent investigative journalist who has covered national security policy since 2005 and was the recipient of Gellhorn Prize for Journalism in 2012. His most recent book is The CIA Insider?s Guide to the Iran Crisis co-authored with John Kiriakou, just published in February. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at newsfromneptune.com Thu Apr 2 14:18:41 2020 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 09:18:41 -0500 Subject: [Peace] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_***SPAM***_United_States=E2=80=8B?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=8B_can_be_part_of_the_global_ceasefire?= References: <5e85f3fb7c241_9c183fee88ac93a419117645@ip-10-0-0-212.mail> Message-ID: <7C0B7787-0051-4F71-B6B8-73F673516500@newsfromneptune.com> > Begin forwarded message: > > From: World BEYOND War > Subject: ***SPAM*** United States?? can be part of the global ceasefire > Date: April 2, 2020 at 9:17:31 AM CDT > To: cge at shout.net > Reply-To: info at worldbeyondwar.org > > > We need United States to be part of the global ceasefire! > > > 1) Sign the petition for a global ceasefire . > > 2) Contact your nation?s government and get a clear commitment to engaging in the ceasefire (not just urging others to do so). > > 3) Use the Comments section on this page to report on what you learn ! > > United Nations Secretary General Antonio Guterres proposed this global ceasefire: > > Our world faces a common enemy: COVID-19. > > The virus does not care about nationality or ethnicity, faction or faith. It attacks all, relentlessly. > > Meanwhile, armed conflict rages on around the world. > > The most vulnerable ? women and children, people with disabilities, the marginalized and the displaced ? pay the highest price. > > They are also at the highest risk of suffering devastating losses from COVID-19. > > Let?s not forget that in war-ravaged countries, health systems have collapsed. > > Health professionals, already few in number, have often been targeted. > > Refugees and others displaced by violent conflict are doubly vulnerable. > > The fury of the virus illustrates the folly of war. > > That is why today, I am calling for an immediate global ceasefire in all corners of the world. > > It is time to put armed conflict on lockdown and focus together on the true fight of our lives. > > To warring parties, I say: > > Pull back from hostilities. > > Put aside mistrust and animosity. > > Silence the guns; stop the artillery; end the airstrikes. > > This is crucial? > > To help create corridors for life-saving aid. > > To open precious windows for diplomacy. > > To bring hope to places among the most vulnerable to COVID-19. > > Let us take inspiration from coalitions and dialogue slowly taking shape among rival parties in some parts to enable joint approaches to COVID-19. 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To update your email address, change your name or address, or to stop receiving emails from World Beyond War, please click here . > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net Thu Apr 2 15:30:18 2020 From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 10:30:18 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Jimmy Dore outdid himself this time, uncloaking the "progressives." In-Reply-To: References: <009701d60846$fb732a90$f2597fb0$@comcast.net> <22AC009B-FF11-4F04-97EF-846A257F177C@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <003601d60903$9e303680$da90a380$@comcast.net> Jimmy Dore?s language is the norm for most Working class people when they are angry. That is the audience he tries to appeal to. I do admit that sometimes his profanity is a bit overboard and makes me cringe, but most of the time I feel it is appropriate when targeted against certain people and their actions / statements. The problem in this society in my opinion is that there are way too many people who are sheep. Many know who is to blame for their problems but they don?t have enough anger to do anything about it. I hear WAY too much of ; ? Oh well, that?s just how it is. ? David J. From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2020 7:47 AM To: Brussel, Morton K Cc: David Johnson; J.B. Nicholson; C G Estabrook; David Green; Mildred O'brien; peace Subject: Re: [Peace] Jimmy Dore outdid himself this time, uncloaking the "progressives." I agree Jimmy Dore?s language is quite repelling, though this is becoming the norm in media. Stand up comedians tend to be quite vulgar and always have, but at the end of the day, nothing is worse than what our government does, and the angry words reflect the anger at the horrors being perpetrated against the vulnerable, which has been taking place incrementally for many years, now due to the pandemic, as if on steroids. Again, I say look at what they do, not what they say. In the case of our elected representatives, it?s their votes that matter. Yes, mass movements are most important and they will take place in the very near future by the angry, frustrated, dispossessed. Let us hope they are organized, using civil disobedience/resistance, with a plan by leaders such as those involved in the Occupy Movement, or Extermination Rebellion focused appropriately on government, and Wall St., and don?t take the form of the anarchist chaotic bands of gangs as we saw at Berkeley or in Portland, using mindless violence fighting one another, creating only chaos. On Apr 1, 2020, at 20:04, Brussel, Morton K wrote: It is not clear to me that Sanders, AOC and others on the left of the Dem party realized in advance that they would be betrayed/opposed by the party ?leaders" and that they would in turn betray their initial followers. You?d have to crawl into their minds to know that. In any case, they did emasculate their following in compromising their initial positions and then nosing up to Schumer, Pelosi and company. Deciding finally to back Biden, and voting for the retrograde budget. They will most likely be disappointed if they think they made friends and gained influence with that group. Their seeming initial independence, with its more radical policies on health policy, economics, environmentalism, even criticism of Israel, were never appreciated. On the contrary, they were considered to be a threat to the desired corporate inspired status quo. The political system in the country is, and has been, corrupt, and it is unclear how it can be cured, except by a mass public eruption, perhaps initiated by some disaster such as we are on the verge of seeing. The problem has been that the narrative promulgated (on TV, radio, mainstream newspapers and periodicals) is controlled by this pervasive media, lubricated by money and power interests. Their propaganda makes it difficult to effectively organize a large public following against the reigning system and to have effective spokespeople heard. As an aside, I watched the Jimmy Dore program. He made his points compellingly, but I wondered why he needed to use the obscene language he so readily employs? To reach and identify with the masses? To emphasize his anger, his dismay, his disgust? I was repelled by it. On Apr 1, 2020, at 2:42 PM, Karen Aram wrote: Well said, David. Please when able, post your response on FB, on the JD posting I have up on AWARE?s FB page, etc. None of this either disappoints or surprises me, given I have no hope that the Democrat Party will do anything but either corrupt well meaning people, or in the case of AOC and Ilhan, they were groomed to be sheepherders for the DNC, ensuring no third Party captures the majority, ensuring the people don?t see the theatrics being played out by these individuals receiving media attention as celebrity?s. Something neither Jill Stein or Ajamu Baraka were ever able to do. I agree, elections are tools in the toolbox, the PSL as a Party knows and uses this in order to enlighten the public. They however know being a minority they will never succeed in winning an election, they just want to be heard. My letter to the NG last December is negative, but it was a warning to those who had their hopes up, of what was to come: Letter to the Editor | One-party system crushing everyone There is a current, new direction the Democrats are forced to take, to clean up their image. We shouldn?t be fooled though, it?s the position many have been taking for some time now, given they aren?t able to hide it any longer. The strategy: point out the ?division? within the party, and how necessary it is to vote and support the new ?left wing? of the Democrat Party i.e. Sanders, Warren, Gabbard, AOC, etc., as they battle the conservative Pelosi, Adam Schiff, Schumer, etc., and all the other war mongers, who supported everything the Republicans have been doing, with an occasional complaint, to maintain the image of ?liberal.? It shows a lack of comprehension and acknowledgement that our institutions are broken, our capitalist system of empire is dying, and a total lack of knowledge related to history and power. These leaders aren?t ignorant or stupid. But they are counting on our ignorance, our political illiteracy as well as our focus on positive thinking to continue this circus of elections ensuring our elitist oligarchs maintain power under our two-headed one-party system, thus ensuring a third party does not challenge their power. Our foreign policy continues as if on auto-pilot, it matters not which of the two-party system is in power. The goal: to keep us focused on individuals, as the U.S. government continues to destroy and impoverish, both here and abroad, as if removal of specific individuals will eliminate the rot of our system, given the corporate capitalist powers behind the throne. KAREN ARAM Urbana On Apr 1, 2020, at 09:59, David Johnson wrote: Indeed Karen, This is really excellent. Of course it is disheartening at the same time, since one tries to use whatever is available, no matter if it is a bit flawed, to accomplish something, anything, just so there is some movement in the direction we need to be going. This really reveals just how corrupt and powerful the DNC controlled Democratic party is. For anyone including myself, who thought that there was a tactical chance of creating a people?s opposition inside the Democratic party that might someday actually become the majority, well, this is now proof positive that that will NEVER happen. It appears that anyone who enters the realm of the Democratic party at the national level, no matter how well intentioned they are at first, always become corrupted or compromised. OR they are driven out of office like they did to Dennis Kucinich and Cynthia McKinney. There is no sugar coating it ? Bernie Sanders, AOC and even my favorite, Ihlan Omar, SOLD US OUT ! By voting for the corporate robbery bill that is the greatest transfer of wealth from the people to the wealthy in the history of the world. Of course the above mentioned could not have stopped it, but they could have refused to vote for it and used that opportunity to speak out and state why, and to attempt to break the bill into two parts. One an immediate people?s bail out and the 2nd the corporate bail out to be delayed for scrutinizing and negotiation. Negotiation ?... YES, like demanding immediate ; Medicare for All, student debt forgiveness, free post high school education, bringing ALL U.S. troops home to fight the virus, $ 15 per hour national minimum wage, and a $ 1200 per month PERMANENT UBI ( Universal Basic Income ) with NO reduction in current social security, food stamp, or public assistance. But oh no, not a single act of opposition, just theatrical speeches from Sanders , AOC, et al about how horrible the bill is and then all of them voting for it anyway. Boy, that is really using political leverage. What a phony opposition, a pseudo resistance to corporate power that Pelosi, Schumer, et al and the DNC of course are a part of, along with their allies the Republicans. The ONLY solution is building a people?s party coalition OUTSIDE the Democratic party. Of course, electoral politics is NOT the main tool in the tool box. Nonviolent yet very confrontational direct action tactics need to be used. However, electoral politics is important IF used correctly. That being as a tactic ( a bully pulpit organizing tool ) in conjunction with direct action / mobilizations, as opposed to an end in and if itself. WE all have tried to do what we can in the past with varying degrees of success, but ultimately it will have to be a huge mobilization by younger people in their 20?s and 30?s before any real change will begin to happen. The big question of course is ? how bad does it have to get before that happens ? My thoughts of the day. David J. From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 8:15 PM To: J.B. Nicholson; C G Estabrook; David Green; David Johnson; Brussel, Morton K; Mildred O'brien Cc: peace Subject: Fwd: [Peace] Jimmy Dore outdid himself this time, uncloaking the "progressives." Be sure to listen to Brave Republican Stands Against Stimulus ALONE I just saw this one by Jimmy Dore, he?s truly outdone himself uncloaking the lies and duplicity of the so-called progressives. A must listen, Jimmy offers suggestions as to ?what is to be done.? https://jimmydorecomedy.com/ _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at newsfromneptune.com Thu Apr 2 15:49:02 2020 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 10:49:02 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Jimmy Dore outdid himself this time, uncloaking the "progressives." In-Reply-To: <003601d60903$9e303680$da90a380$@comcast.net> References: <009701d60846$fb732a90$f2597fb0$@comcast.net> <22AC009B-FF11-4F04-97EF-846A257F177C@illinois.edu> <003601d60903$9e303680$da90a380$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <25103748-8784-48F2-8AF9-E60E47C5E939@newsfromneptune.com> Anglo-Saxon has been a suppressed language since the Norman Conquest (AD 1066). (Modern English has two languages - one for the field, one for the table: cattle/beef, sheep/mutton, chicken/fowl, deer/venison, etc.) Jimmy?s just restoring the balance. > On Apr 2, 2020, at 10:30 AM, David Johnson wrote: > > Jimmy Dore?s language is the norm for most Working class people when they are angry. > That is the audience he tries to appeal to. > > I do admit that sometimes his profanity is a bit overboard and makes me cringe, but most of the time I feel it is appropriate when targeted against certain people and their actions / statements. > > The problem in this society in my opinion is that there are way too many people who are sheep. Many know who is to blame for their problems but they don?t have enough anger to do anything about it. > I hear WAY too much of ; ? Oh well, that?s just how it is. ? > > David J. > > From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2020 7:47 AM > To: Brussel, Morton K > Cc: David Johnson; J.B. Nicholson; C G Estabrook; David Green; Mildred O'brien; peace > Subject: Re: [Peace] Jimmy Dore outdid himself this time, uncloaking the "progressives." > > I agree Jimmy Dore?s language is quite repelling, though this is becoming the norm in media. > > Stand up comedians tend to be quite vulgar and always have, but at the end of the day, nothing is worse than what our government does, and the angry words reflect the anger at the horrors being perpetrated against the vulnerable, which has been taking place incrementally for many years, now due to the pandemic, as if on steroids. > > Again, I say look at what they do, not what they say. In the case of our elected representatives, it?s their votes that matter. > > Yes, mass movements are most important and they will take place in the very near future by the angry, frustrated, dispossessed. Let us hope they are organized, using civil disobedience/resistance, with a plan by leaders such as those involved in the Occupy Movement, or Extermination Rebellion focused appropriately on government, and Wall St., and don?t take the form of the anarchist chaotic bands of gangs as we saw at Berkeley or in Portland, using mindless violence fighting one another, creating only chaos. > > >> On Apr 1, 2020, at 20:04, Brussel, Morton K wrote: >> >> It is not clear to me that Sanders, AOC and others on the left of the Dem party realized in advance that they would be betrayed/opposed by the party ?leaders" and that they would in turn betray their initial followers. You?d have to crawl into their minds to know that. In any case, they did emasculate their following in compromising their initial positions and then nosing up to Schumer, Pelosi and company. Deciding finally to back Biden, and voting for the retrograde budget. They will most likely be disappointed if they think they made friends and gained influence with that group. Their seeming initial independence, with its more radical policies on health policy, economics, environmentalism, even criticism of Israel, were never appreciated. On the contrary, they were considered to be a threat to the desired corporate inspired status quo. >> >> The political system in the country is, and has been, corrupt, and it is unclear how it can be cured, except by a mass public eruption, perhaps initiated by some disaster such as we are on the verge of seeing. The problem has been that the narrative promulgated (on TV, radio, mainstream newspapers and periodicals) is controlled by this pervasive media, lubricated by money and power interests. Their propaganda makes it difficult to effectively organize a large public following against the reigning system and to have effective spokespeople heard. >> >> As an aside, I watched the Jimmy Dore program. He made his points compellingly, but I wondered why he needed to use the obscene language he so readily employs? To reach and identify with the masses? To emphasize his anger, his dismay, his disgust? >> I was repelled by it. >> >>> On Apr 1, 2020, at 2:42 PM, Karen Aram wrote: >>> >>> Well said, David. >>> >>> Please when able, post your response on FB, on the JD posting I have up on AWARE?s FB page, etc. >>> >>> None of this either disappoints or surprises me, given I have no hope that the Democrat Party will do anything but either corrupt well meaning people, or in the case of AOC and Ilhan, they were groomed to be sheepherders for the DNC, ensuring no third Party captures the majority, ensuring the people don?t see the theatrics being played out by these individuals receiving media attention as celebrity?s. Something neither Jill Stein or Ajamu Baraka were ever able to do. >>> >>> I agree, elections are tools in the toolbox, the PSL as a Party knows and uses this in order to enlighten the public. They however know being a minority they will never succeed in winning an election, they just want to be heard. >>> >>> My letter to the NG last December is negative, but it was a warning to those who had their hopes up, of what was to come: >>> >>> Letter to the Editor | One-party system crushing everyone >>> >>> >>> There is a current, new direction the Democrats are forced to take, to clean up their image. >>> We shouldn?t be fooled though, it?s the position many have been taking for some time now, given they aren?t able to hide it any longer. >>> The strategy: point out the ?division? within the party, and how necessary it is to vote and support the new ?left wing? of the Democrat Party i.e. Sanders, Warren, Gabbard, AOC, etc., as they battle the conservative Pelosi, Adam Schiff, Schumer, etc., and all the other war mongers, who supported everything the Republicans have been doing, with an occasional complaint, to maintain the image of ?liberal.? >>> It shows a lack of comprehension and acknowledgement that our institutions are broken, our capitalist system of empire is dying, and a total lack of knowledge related to history and power. >>> These leaders aren?t ignorant or stupid. But they are counting on our ignorance, our political illiteracy as well as our focus on positive thinking to continue this circus of elections ensuring our elitist oligarchs maintain power under our two-headed one-party system, thus ensuring a third party does not challenge their power. >>> Our foreign policy continues as if on auto-pilot, it matters not which of the two-party system is in power. >>> The goal: to keep us focused on individuals, as the U.S. government continues to destroy and impoverish, both here and abroad, as if removal of specific individuals will eliminate the rot of our system, given the corporate capitalist powers behind the throne. >>> KAREN ARAM >>> Urbana >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Apr 1, 2020, at 09:59, David Johnson wrote: >>>> >>>> Indeed Karen, >>>> >>>> This is really excellent. >>>> >>>> Of course it is disheartening at the same time, since one tries to use whatever is available, no matter if it is a bit flawed, to accomplish something, anything, just so there is some movement in the direction we need to be going. >>>> >>>> This really reveals just how corrupt and powerful the DNC controlled Democratic party is. >>>> For anyone including myself, who thought that there was a tactical chance of creating a people?s opposition inside the Democratic party that might someday actually become the majority, well, this is now proof positive that that will NEVER happen. >>>> It appears that anyone who enters the realm of the Democratic party at the national level, no matter how well intentioned they are at first, always become corrupted or compromised. OR they are driven out of office like they did to Dennis Kucinich and Cynthia McKinney. >>>> >>>> There is no sugar coating it ? Bernie Sanders, AOC and even my favorite, Ihlan Omar, SOLD US OUT ! >>>> By voting for the corporate robbery bill that is the greatest transfer of wealth from the people to the wealthy in the history of the world. >>>> >>>> Of course the above mentioned could not have stopped it, but they could have refused to vote for it and used that opportunity to speak out and state why, and to attempt to break the bill into two parts. One an immediate people?s bail out and the 2nd the corporate bail out to be delayed for scrutinizing and negotiation. >>>> >>>> Negotiation ?... YES, like demanding immediate ; Medicare for All, student debt forgiveness, free post high school education, bringing ALL U.S. troops home to fight the virus, $ 15 per hour national minimum wage, and a $ 1200 per month PERMANENT UBI ( Universal Basic Income ) with NO reduction in current social security, food stamp, or public assistance. >>>> >>>> But oh no, not a single act of opposition, just theatrical speeches from Sanders , AOC, et al about how horrible the bill is and then all of them voting for it anyway. Boy, that is really using political leverage. What a phony opposition, a pseudo resistance to corporate power that Pelosi, Schumer, et al and the DNC of course are a part of, along with their allies the Republicans. >>>> >>>> The ONLY solution is building a people?s party coalition OUTSIDE the Democratic party. >>>> >>>> Of course, electoral politics is NOT the main tool in the tool box. Nonviolent yet very confrontational direct action tactics need to be used. However, electoral politics is important IF used correctly. That being as a tactic ( a bully pulpit organizing tool ) in conjunction with direct action / mobilizations, as opposed to an end in and if itself. >>>> >>>> WE all have tried to do what we can in the past with varying degrees of success, but ultimately it will have to be a huge mobilization by younger people in their 20?s and 30?s before any real change will begin to happen. >>>> The big question of course is ? how bad does it have to get before that happens ? >>>> >>>> My thoughts of the day. >>>> >>>> David J. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 8:15 PM >>>> To: J.B. Nicholson; C G Estabrook; David Green; David Johnson; Brussel, Morton K; Mildred O'brien >>>> Cc: peace >>>> Subject: Fwd: [Peace] Jimmy Dore outdid himself this time, uncloaking the "progressives." >>>> >>>> Be sure to listen to Brave Republican Stands Against Stimulus ALONE >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I just saw this one by Jimmy Dore, he?s truly outdone himself uncloaking the lies and duplicity of the so-called progressives. A must listen, Jimmy offers suggestions as to ?what is to be done.? >>>> >>>> https://jimmydorecomedy.com/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Peace mailing list >>>> Peace at lists.chambana.net >>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net Thu Apr 2 17:26:34 2020 From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 12:26:34 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Jimmy Dore outdid himself this time, uncloaking the "progressives." In-Reply-To: <25103748-8784-48F2-8AF9-E60E47C5E939@newsfromneptune.com> References: <009701d60846$fb732a90$f2597fb0$@comcast.net> <22AC009B-FF11-4F04-97EF-846A257F177C@illinois.edu> <003601d60903$9e303680$da90a380$@comcast.net> <25103748-8784-48F2-8AF9-E60E47C5E939@newsfromneptune.com> Message-ID: <000901d60913$dbef4cd0$93cde670$@comcast.net> That is a very interesting perspective Carl ! I like it. David J. -----Original Message----- From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2020 10:49 AM To: David Johnson Cc: Karen Aram; Brussel, Morton K; J.B. Nicholson; C G Estabrook; David Green; Mildred O'brien; peace Subject: Re: [Peace] Jimmy Dore outdid himself this time, uncloaking the "progressives." Anglo-Saxon has been a suppressed language since the Norman Conquest (AD 1066). (Modern English has two languages - one for the field, one for the table: cattle/beef, sheep/mutton, chicken/fowl, deer/venison, etc.) Jimmy?s just restoring the balance. > On Apr 2, 2020, at 10:30 AM, David Johnson wrote: > > Jimmy Dore?s language is the norm for most Working class people when they are angry. > That is the audience he tries to appeal to. > > I do admit that sometimes his profanity is a bit overboard and makes me cringe, but most of the time I feel it is appropriate when targeted against certain people and their actions / statements. > > The problem in this society in my opinion is that there are way too many people who are sheep. Many know who is to blame for their problems but they don?t have enough anger to do anything about it. > I hear WAY too much of ; ? Oh well, that?s just how it is. ? > > David J. > > From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2020 7:47 AM > To: Brussel, Morton K > Cc: David Johnson; J.B. Nicholson; C G Estabrook; David Green; Mildred O'brien; peace > Subject: Re: [Peace] Jimmy Dore outdid himself this time, uncloaking the "progressives." > > I agree Jimmy Dore?s language is quite repelling, though this is becoming the norm in media. > > Stand up comedians tend to be quite vulgar and always have, but at the end of the day, nothing is worse than what our government does, and the angry words reflect the anger at the horrors being perpetrated against the vulnerable, which has been taking place incrementally for many years, now due to the pandemic, as if on steroids. > > Again, I say look at what they do, not what they say. In the case of our elected representatives, it?s their votes that matter. > > Yes, mass movements are most important and they will take place in the very near future by the angry, frustrated, dispossessed. Let us hope they are organized, using civil disobedience/resistance, with a plan by leaders such as those involved in the Occupy Movement, or Extermination Rebellion focused appropriately on government, and Wall St., and don?t take the form of the anarchist chaotic bands of gangs as we saw at Berkeley or in Portland, using mindless violence fighting one another, creating only chaos. > > >> On Apr 1, 2020, at 20:04, Brussel, Morton K wrote: >> >> It is not clear to me that Sanders, AOC and others on the left of the Dem party realized in advance that they would be betrayed/opposed by the party ?leaders" and that they would in turn betray their initial followers. You?d have to crawl into their minds to know that. In any case, they did emasculate their following in compromising their initial positions and then nosing up to Schumer, Pelosi and company. Deciding finally to back Biden, and voting for the retrograde budget. They will most likely be disappointed if they think they made friends and gained influence with that group. Their seeming initial independence, with its more radical policies on health policy, economics, environmentalism, even criticism of Israel, were never appreciated. On the contrary, they were considered to be a threat to the desired corporate inspired status quo. >> >> The political system in the country is, and has been, corrupt, and it is unclear how it can be cured, except by a mass public eruption, perhaps initiated by some disaster such as we are on the verge of seeing. The problem has been that the narrative promulgated (on TV, radio, mainstream newspapers and periodicals) is controlled by this pervasive media, lubricated by money and power interests. Their propaganda makes it difficult to effectively organize a large public following against the reigning system and to have effective spokespeople heard. >> >> As an aside, I watched the Jimmy Dore program. He made his points compellingly, but I wondered why he needed to use the obscene language he so readily employs? To reach and identify with the masses? To emphasize his anger, his dismay, his disgust? >> I was repelled by it. >> >>> On Apr 1, 2020, at 2:42 PM, Karen Aram wrote: >>> >>> Well said, David. >>> >>> Please when able, post your response on FB, on the JD posting I have up on AWARE?s FB page, etc. >>> >>> None of this either disappoints or surprises me, given I have no hope that the Democrat Party will do anything but either corrupt well meaning people, or in the case of AOC and Ilhan, they were groomed to be sheepherders for the DNC, ensuring no third Party captures the majority, ensuring the people don?t see the theatrics being played out by these individuals receiving media attention as celebrity?s. Something neither Jill Stein or Ajamu Baraka were ever able to do. >>> >>> I agree, elections are tools in the toolbox, the PSL as a Party knows and uses this in order to enlighten the public. They however know being a minority they will never succeed in winning an election, they just want to be heard. >>> >>> My letter to the NG last December is negative, but it was a warning to those who had their hopes up, of what was to come: >>> >>> Letter to the Editor | One-party system crushing everyone >>> >>> >>> There is a current, new direction the Democrats are forced to take, to clean up their image. >>> We shouldn?t be fooled though, it?s the position many have been taking for some time now, given they aren?t able to hide it any longer. >>> The strategy: point out the ?division? within the party, and how necessary it is to vote and support the new ?left wing? of the Democrat Party i.e. Sanders, Warren, Gabbard, AOC, etc., as they battle the conservative Pelosi, Adam Schiff, Schumer, etc., and all the other war mongers, who supported everything the Republicans have been doing, with an occasional complaint, to maintain the image of ?liberal.? >>> It shows a lack of comprehension and acknowledgement that our institutions are broken, our capitalist system of empire is dying, and a total lack of knowledge related to history and power. >>> These leaders aren?t ignorant or stupid. But they are counting on our ignorance, our political illiteracy as well as our focus on positive thinking to continue this circus of elections ensuring our elitist oligarchs maintain power under our two-headed one-party system, thus ensuring a third party does not challenge their power. >>> Our foreign policy continues as if on auto-pilot, it matters not which of the two-party system is in power. >>> The goal: to keep us focused on individuals, as the U.S. government continues to destroy and impoverish, both here and abroad, as if removal of specific individuals will eliminate the rot of our system, given the corporate capitalist powers behind the throne. >>> KAREN ARAM >>> Urbana >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Apr 1, 2020, at 09:59, David Johnson wrote: >>>> >>>> Indeed Karen, >>>> >>>> This is really excellent. >>>> >>>> Of course it is disheartening at the same time, since one tries to use whatever is available, no matter if it is a bit flawed, to accomplish something, anything, just so there is some movement in the direction we need to be going. >>>> >>>> This really reveals just how corrupt and powerful the DNC controlled Democratic party is. >>>> For anyone including myself, who thought that there was a tactical chance of creating a people?s opposition inside the Democratic party that might someday actually become the majority, well, this is now proof positive that that will NEVER happen. >>>> It appears that anyone who enters the realm of the Democratic party at the national level, no matter how well intentioned they are at first, always become corrupted or compromised. OR they are driven out of office like they did to Dennis Kucinich and Cynthia McKinney. >>>> >>>> There is no sugar coating it ? Bernie Sanders, AOC and even my favorite, Ihlan Omar, SOLD US OUT ! >>>> By voting for the corporate robbery bill that is the greatest transfer of wealth from the people to the wealthy in the history of the world. >>>> >>>> Of course the above mentioned could not have stopped it, but they could have refused to vote for it and used that opportunity to speak out and state why, and to attempt to break the bill into two parts. One an immediate people?s bail out and the 2nd the corporate bail out to be delayed for scrutinizing and negotiation. >>>> >>>> Negotiation ?... YES, like demanding immediate ; Medicare for All, student debt forgiveness, free post high school education, bringing ALL U.S. troops home to fight the virus, $ 15 per hour national minimum wage, and a $ 1200 per month PERMANENT UBI ( Universal Basic Income ) with NO reduction in current social security, food stamp, or public assistance. >>>> >>>> But oh no, not a single act of opposition, just theatrical speeches from Sanders , AOC, et al about how horrible the bill is and then all of them voting for it anyway. Boy, that is really using political leverage. What a phony opposition, a pseudo resistance to corporate power that Pelosi, Schumer, et al and the DNC of course are a part of, along with their allies the Republicans. >>>> >>>> The ONLY solution is building a people?s party coalition OUTSIDE the Democratic party. >>>> >>>> Of course, electoral politics is NOT the main tool in the tool box. Nonviolent yet very confrontational direct action tactics need to be used. However, electoral politics is important IF used correctly. That being as a tactic ( a bully pulpit organizing tool ) in conjunction with direct action / mobilizations, as opposed to an end in and if itself. >>>> >>>> WE all have tried to do what we can in the past with varying degrees of success, but ultimately it will have to be a huge mobilization by younger people in their 20?s and 30?s before any real change will begin to happen. >>>> The big question of course is ? how bad does it have to get before that happens ? >>>> >>>> My thoughts of the day. >>>> >>>> David J. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 8:15 PM >>>> To: J.B. Nicholson; C G Estabrook; David Green; David Johnson; Brussel, Morton K; Mildred O'brien >>>> Cc: peace >>>> Subject: Fwd: [Peace] Jimmy Dore outdid himself this time, uncloaking the "progressives." >>>> >>>> Be sure to listen to Brave Republican Stands Against Stimulus ALONE >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I just saw this one by Jimmy Dore, he?s truly outdone himself uncloaking the lies and duplicity of the so-called progressives. A must listen, Jimmy offers suggestions as to ?what is to be done.? >>>> >>>> https://jimmydorecomedy.com/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Peace mailing list >>>> Peace at lists.chambana.net >>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From jbw292002 at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 18:29:04 2020 From: jbw292002 at gmail.com (John W.) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 13:29:04 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Jimmy Dore outdid himself this time, uncloaking the "progressives." In-Reply-To: <25103748-8784-48F2-8AF9-E60E47C5E939@newsfromneptune.com> References: <009701d60846$fb732a90$f2597fb0$@comcast.net> <22AC009B-FF11-4F04-97EF-846A257F177C@illinois.edu> <003601d60903$9e303680$da90a380$@comcast.net> <25103748-8784-48F2-8AF9-E60E47C5E939@newsfromneptune.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 10:49 AM C. G. Estabrook via Peace < peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: Anglo-Saxon has been a suppressed language since the Norman Conquest (AD > 1066). > > (Modern English has two languages - one for the field, one for the table: > cattle/beef, sheep/mutton, chicken/fowl, deer/venison, etc.) > > Jimmy?s just restoring the balance. > So I have to ask, Carl. Is "fuckin'" for the field or the table? > > On Apr 2, 2020, at 10:30 AM, David Johnson > wrote: > > > > Jimmy Dore?s language is the norm for most Working class people when > they are angry. > > That is the audience he tries to appeal to. > > > > I do admit that sometimes his profanity is a bit overboard and makes me > cringe, but most of the time I feel it is appropriate when targeted against > certain people and their actions / statements. > > > > The problem in this society in my opinion is that there are way too many > people who are sheep. Many know who is to blame for their problems but they > don?t have enough anger to do anything about it. > > I hear WAY too much of ; ? Oh well, that?s just how it is. ? > > > > David J. > > > > From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] > > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2020 7:47 AM > > To: Brussel, Morton K > > Cc: David Johnson; J.B. Nicholson; C G Estabrook; David Green; Mildred > O'brien; peace > > Subject: Re: [Peace] Jimmy Dore outdid himself this time, uncloaking the > "progressives." > > > > I agree Jimmy Dore?s language is quite repelling, though this is > becoming the norm in media. > > > > Stand up comedians tend to be quite vulgar and always have, but at the > end of the day, nothing is worse than what our government does, and the > angry words reflect the anger at the horrors being perpetrated against the > vulnerable, which has been taking place incrementally for many years, now > due to the pandemic, as if on steroids. > > > > Again, I say look at what they do, not what they say. In the case of our > elected representatives, it?s their votes that matter. > > > > Yes, mass movements are most important and they will take place in the > very near future by the angry, frustrated, dispossessed. Let us hope they > are organized, using civil disobedience/resistance, with a plan by leaders > such as those involved in the Occupy Movement, or Extermination Rebellion > focused appropriately on government, and Wall St., and don?t take the form > of the anarchist chaotic bands of gangs as we saw at Berkeley or in > Portland, using mindless violence fighting one another, creating only chaos. > > > > > >> On Apr 1, 2020, at 20:04, Brussel, Morton K > wrote: > >> > >> It is not clear to me that Sanders, AOC and others on the left of the > Dem party realized in advance that they would be betrayed/opposed by the > party ?leaders" and that they would in turn betray their initial followers. > You?d have to crawl into their minds to know that. In any case, they did > emasculate their following in compromising their initial positions and then > nosing up to Schumer, Pelosi and company. Deciding finally to back Biden, > and voting for the retrograde budget. They will most likely be disappointed > if they think they made friends and gained influence with that group. Their > seeming initial independence, with its more radical policies on health > policy, economics, environmentalism, even criticism of Israel, were never > appreciated. On the contrary, they were considered to be a threat to the > desired corporate inspired status quo. > >> > >> The political system in the country is, and has been, corrupt, and it > is unclear how it can be cured, except by a mass public eruption, perhaps > initiated by some disaster such as we are on the verge of seeing. The > problem has been that the narrative promulgated (on TV, radio, mainstream > newspapers and periodicals) is controlled by this pervasive media, > lubricated by money and power interests. Their propaganda makes it > difficult to effectively organize a large public following against the > reigning system and to have effective spokespeople heard. > >> > >> As an aside, I watched the Jimmy Dore program. He made his points > compellingly, but I wondered why he needed to use the obscene language he > so readily employs? To reach and identify with the masses? To emphasize his > anger, his dismay, his disgust? > >> I was repelled by it. > >> > >>> On Apr 1, 2020, at 2:42 PM, Karen Aram wrote: > >>> > >>> Well said, David. > >>> > >>> Please when able, post your response on FB, on the JD posting I have > up on AWARE?s FB page, etc. > >>> > >>> None of this either disappoints or surprises me, given I have no hope > that the Democrat Party will do anything but either corrupt well meaning > people, or in the case of AOC and Ilhan, they were groomed to be > sheepherders for the DNC, ensuring no third Party captures the majority, > ensuring the people don?t see the theatrics being played out by these > individuals receiving media attention as celebrity?s. Something neither > Jill Stein or Ajamu Baraka were ever able to do. > >>> > >>> I agree, elections are tools in the toolbox, the PSL as a Party knows > and uses this in order to enlighten the public. They however know being a > minority they will never succeed in winning an election, they just want to > be heard. > >>> > >>> My letter to the NG last December is negative, but it was a warning to > those who had their hopes up, of what was to come: > >>> > >>> Letter to the Editor | One-party system crushing everyone > >>> > >>> > >>> There is a current, new direction the Democrats are forced to take, to > clean up their image. > >>> We shouldn?t be fooled though, it?s the position many have been taking > for some time now, given they aren?t able to hide it any longer. > >>> The strategy: point out the ?division? within the party, and how > necessary it is to vote and support the new ?left wing? of the Democrat > Party i.e. Sanders, Warren, Gabbard, AOC, etc., as they battle the > conservative Pelosi, Adam Schiff, Schumer, etc., and all the other war > mongers, who supported everything the Republicans have been doing, with an > occasional complaint, to maintain the image of ?liberal.? > >>> It shows a lack of comprehension and acknowledgement that our > institutions are broken, our capitalist system of empire is dying, and a > total lack of knowledge related to history and power. > >>> These leaders aren?t ignorant or stupid. But they are counting on our > ignorance, our political illiteracy as well as our focus on positive > thinking to continue this circus of elections ensuring our elitist > oligarchs maintain power under our two-headed one-party system, thus > ensuring a third party does not challenge their power. > >>> Our foreign policy continues as if on auto-pilot, it matters not which > of the two-party system is in power. > >>> The goal: to keep us focused on individuals, as the U.S. government > continues to destroy and impoverish, both here and abroad, as if removal of > specific individuals will eliminate the rot of our system, given the > corporate capitalist powers behind the throne. > >>> KAREN ARAM > >>> Urbana > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Apr 1, 2020, at 09:59, David Johnson > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Indeed Karen, > >>>> > >>>> This is really excellent. > >>>> > >>>> Of course it is disheartening at the same time, since one tries to > use whatever is available, no matter if it is a bit flawed, to accomplish > something, anything, just so there is some movement in the direction we > need to be going. > >>>> > >>>> This really reveals just how corrupt and powerful the DNC controlled > Democratic party is. > >>>> For anyone including myself, who thought that there was a tactical > chance of creating a people?s opposition inside the Democratic party that > might someday actually become the majority, well, this is now proof > positive that that will NEVER happen. > >>>> It appears that anyone who enters the realm of the Democratic party > at the national level, no matter how well intentioned they are at first, > always become corrupted or compromised. OR they are driven out of office > like they did to Dennis Kucinich and Cynthia McKinney. > >>>> > >>>> There is no sugar coating it ? Bernie Sanders, AOC and even my > favorite, Ihlan Omar, SOLD US OUT ! > >>>> By voting for the corporate robbery bill that is the greatest > transfer of wealth from the people to the wealthy in the history of the > world. > >>>> > >>>> Of course the above mentioned could not have stopped it, but they > could have refused to vote for it and used that opportunity to speak out > and state why, and to attempt to break the bill into two parts. One an > immediate people?s bail out and the 2nd the corporate bail out to be > delayed for scrutinizing and negotiation. > >>>> > >>>> Negotiation ?... YES, like demanding immediate ; Medicare for All, > student debt forgiveness, free post high school education, bringing ALL > U.S. troops home to fight the virus, $ 15 per hour national minimum wage, > and a $ 1200 per month PERMANENT UBI ( Universal Basic Income ) with NO > reduction in current social security, food stamp, or public assistance. > >>>> > >>>> But oh no, not a single act of opposition, just theatrical speeches > from Sanders , AOC, et al about how horrible the bill is and then all of > them voting for it anyway. Boy, that is really using political leverage. > What a phony opposition, a pseudo resistance to corporate power that > Pelosi, Schumer, et al and the DNC of course are a part of, along with > their allies the Republicans. > >>>> > >>>> The ONLY solution is building a people?s party coalition OUTSIDE the > Democratic party. > >>>> > >>>> Of course, electoral politics is NOT the main tool in the tool box. > Nonviolent yet very confrontational direct action tactics need to be used. > However, electoral politics is important IF used correctly. That being as a > tactic ( a bully pulpit organizing tool ) in conjunction with direct action > / mobilizations, as opposed to an end in and if itself. > >>>> > >>>> WE all have tried to do what we can in the past with varying degrees > of success, but ultimately it will have to be a huge mobilization by > younger people in their 20?s and 30?s before any real change will begin to > happen. > >>>> The big question of course is ? how bad does it have to get before > that happens ? > >>>> > >>>> My thoughts of the day. > >>>> > >>>> David J. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 8:15 PM > >>>> To: J.B. Nicholson; C G Estabrook; David Green; David Johnson; > Brussel, Morton K; Mildred O'brien > >>>> Cc: peace > >>>> Subject: Fwd: [Peace] Jimmy Dore outdid himself this time, uncloaking > the "progressives." > >>>> > >>>> Be sure to listen to Brave Republican Stands Against Stimulus ALONE > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I just saw this one by Jimmy Dore, he?s truly outdone himself > uncloaking the lies and duplicity of the so-called progressives. A must > listen, Jimmy offers suggestions as to ?what is to be done.? > >>>> > >>>> https://jimmydorecomedy.com/ > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Peace mailing list > >>>> Peace at lists.chambana.net > >>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at newsfromneptune.com Thu Apr 2 18:46:52 2020 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 13:46:52 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Jimmy Dore outdid himself this time, uncloaking the "progressives." In-Reply-To: References: <009701d60846$fb732a90$f2597fb0$@comcast.net> <22AC009B-FF11-4F04-97EF-846A257F177C@illinois.edu> <003601d60903$9e303680$da90a380$@comcast.net> <25103748-8784-48F2-8AF9-E60E47C5E939@newsfromneptune.com> Message-ID: Middle English (which suceeded Anglo-saxon, after the Conquest) had *fukken, probably of North Germanic origin: possibly from Old Norse *fukka, from Proto-Germanic *fukk?n?. Related to dialectal Norwegian fukka (?to copulate; fuck?), Bohusl?n Swedish fokka (?to fuck; thrust; push?), Faroese fukka, modern Swedish focka (?to fire from work?), Swedish fock (?penis?), as well as German ficken (?fuck; rub, slide?) (Middle High German ficken (?to rub, solidify, strengthen?)) and Dutch fokken (?to breed?) (Middle Dutch fokken (?to breed, bump, fuck?)), from Proto-Indo-European *pew?- ("to strike, punch, stab", whence Latin pugnus (?fist?) and many other words). Possibly attested in a 772 AD charter that mentions a place called Fuccerham, which may mean "ham (?home?) of the fucker" or "hamm (?pasture?) of the fucker"; a John le Fucker in a record from 1278 may just be a variant of Fulcher, like Fucher, Foker, etc. The earliest unambiguous use of the word in a clearly sexual context, in any stage of English, appears to be in court documents from Cheshire, England, which mention a man called "Roger Fuckebythenavele" (possibly tongue-in-cheek, or directly suggestive of a sexual act) on December 8, 1310. It was first listed in a dictionary in 1598. (Scots fuk/fuck is attested slightly earlier.) From 1500 onward, the word has been in continual use, and displaced jape, sard, and swive. Wikipedia. We all know the polite forms, which are Latinate, not Germanic: ?copulate?, etc. They're the upper-class words, the language of the conquerors. The reduction of 'impolite' forms to the unmannerly is clear class stratification. ?CGE > On Apr 2, 2020, at 1:29 PM, John W. wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 10:49 AM C. G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: > > Anglo-Saxon has been a suppressed language since the Norman Conquest (AD 1066). > > (Modern English has two languages - one for the field, one for the table: cattle/beef, sheep/mutton, chicken/fowl, deer/venison, etc.) > > Jimmy?s just restoring the balance. > > > So I have to ask, Carl. Is "fuckin'" for the field or the table? > > > > > On Apr 2, 2020, at 10:30 AM, David Johnson wrote: > > > > Jimmy Dore?s language is the norm for most Working class people when they are angry. > > That is the audience he tries to appeal to. > > > > I do admit that sometimes his profanity is a bit overboard and makes me cringe, but most of the time I feel it is appropriate when targeted against certain people and their actions / statements. > > > > The problem in this society in my opinion is that there are way too many people who are sheep. Many know who is to blame for their problems but they don?t have enough anger to do anything about it. > > I hear WAY too much of ; ? Oh well, that?s just how it is. ? > > > > David J. > > > > From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] > > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2020 7:47 AM > > To: Brussel, Morton K > > Cc: David Johnson; J.B. Nicholson; C G Estabrook; David Green; Mildred O'brien; peace > > Subject: Re: [Peace] Jimmy Dore outdid himself this time, uncloaking the "progressives." > > > > I agree Jimmy Dore?s language is quite repelling, though this is becoming the norm in media. > > > > Stand up comedians tend to be quite vulgar and always have, but at the end of the day, nothing is worse than what our government does, and the angry words reflect the anger at the horrors being perpetrated against the vulnerable, which has been taking place incrementally for many years, now due to the pandemic, as if on steroids. > > > > Again, I say look at what they do, not what they say. In the case of our elected representatives, it?s their votes that matter. > > > > Yes, mass movements are most important and they will take place in the very near future by the angry, frustrated, dispossessed. Let us hope they are organized, using civil disobedience/resistance, with a plan by leaders such as those involved in the Occupy Movement, or Extermination Rebellion focused appropriately on government, and Wall St., and don?t take the form of the anarchist chaotic bands of gangs as we saw at Berkeley or in Portland, using mindless violence fighting one another, creating only chaos. > > > > > >> On Apr 1, 2020, at 20:04, Brussel, Morton K wrote: > >> > >> It is not clear to me that Sanders, AOC and others on the left of the Dem party realized in advance that they would be betrayed/opposed by the party ?leaders" and that they would in turn betray their initial followers. You?d have to crawl into their minds to know that. In any case, they did emasculate their following in compromising their initial positions and then nosing up to Schumer, Pelosi and company. Deciding finally to back Biden, and voting for the retrograde budget. They will most likely be disappointed if they think they made friends and gained influence with that group. Their seeming initial independence, with its more radical policies on health policy, economics, environmentalism, even criticism of Israel, were never appreciated. On the contrary, they were considered to be a threat to the desired corporate inspired status quo. > >> > >> The political system in the country is, and has been, corrupt, and it is unclear how it can be cured, except by a mass public eruption, perhaps initiated by some disaster such as we are on the verge of seeing. The problem has been that the narrative promulgated (on TV, radio, mainstream newspapers and periodicals) is controlled by this pervasive media, lubricated by money and power interests. Their propaganda makes it difficult to effectively organize a large public following against the reigning system and to have effective spokespeople heard. > >> > >> As an aside, I watched the Jimmy Dore program. He made his points compellingly, but I wondered why he needed to use the obscene language he so readily employs? To reach and identify with the masses? To emphasize his anger, his dismay, his disgust? > >> I was repelled by it. > >> > >>> On Apr 1, 2020, at 2:42 PM, Karen Aram wrote: > >>> > >>> Well said, David. > >>> > >>> Please when able, post your response on FB, on the JD posting I have up on AWARE?s FB page, etc. > >>> > >>> None of this either disappoints or surprises me, given I have no hope that the Democrat Party will do anything but either corrupt well meaning people, or in the case of AOC and Ilhan, they were groomed to be sheepherders for the DNC, ensuring no third Party captures the majority, ensuring the people don?t see the theatrics being played out by these individuals receiving media attention as celebrity?s. Something neither Jill Stein or Ajamu Baraka were ever able to do. > >>> > >>> I agree, elections are tools in the toolbox, the PSL as a Party knows and uses this in order to enlighten the public. They however know being a minority they will never succeed in winning an election, they just want to be heard. > >>> > >>> My letter to the NG last December is negative, but it was a warning to those who had their hopes up, of what was to come: > >>> > >>> Letter to the Editor | One-party system crushing everyone > >>> > >>> > >>> There is a current, new direction the Democrats are forced to take, to clean up their image. > >>> We shouldn?t be fooled though, it?s the position many have been taking for some time now, given they aren?t able to hide it any longer. > >>> The strategy: point out the ?division? within the party, and how necessary it is to vote and support the new ?left wing? of the Democrat Party i.e. Sanders, Warren, Gabbard, AOC, etc., as they battle the conservative Pelosi, Adam Schiff, Schumer, etc., and all the other war mongers, who supported everything the Republicans have been doing, with an occasional complaint, to maintain the image of ?liberal.? > >>> It shows a lack of comprehension and acknowledgement that our institutions are broken, our capitalist system of empire is dying, and a total lack of knowledge related to history and power. > >>> These leaders aren?t ignorant or stupid. But they are counting on our ignorance, our political illiteracy as well as our focus on positive thinking to continue this circus of elections ensuring our elitist oligarchs maintain power under our two-headed one-party system, thus ensuring a third party does not challenge their power. > >>> Our foreign policy continues as if on auto-pilot, it matters not which of the two-party system is in power. > >>> The goal: to keep us focused on individuals, as the U.S. government continues to destroy and impoverish, both here and abroad, as if removal of specific individuals will eliminate the rot of our system, given the corporate capitalist powers behind the throne. > >>> KAREN ARAM > >>> Urbana > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Apr 1, 2020, at 09:59, David Johnson wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Indeed Karen, > >>>> > >>>> This is really excellent. > >>>> > >>>> Of course it is disheartening at the same time, since one tries to use whatever is available, no matter if it is a bit flawed, to accomplish something, anything, just so there is some movement in the direction we need to be going. > >>>> > >>>> This really reveals just how corrupt and powerful the DNC controlled Democratic party is. > >>>> For anyone including myself, who thought that there was a tactical chance of creating a people?s opposition inside the Democratic party that might someday actually become the majority, well, this is now proof positive that that will NEVER happen. > >>>> It appears that anyone who enters the realm of the Democratic party at the national level, no matter how well intentioned they are at first, always become corrupted or compromised. OR they are driven out of office like they did to Dennis Kucinich and Cynthia McKinney. > >>>> > >>>> There is no sugar coating it ? Bernie Sanders, AOC and even my favorite, Ihlan Omar, SOLD US OUT ! > >>>> By voting for the corporate robbery bill that is the greatest transfer of wealth from the people to the wealthy in the history of the world. > >>>> > >>>> Of course the above mentioned could not have stopped it, but they could have refused to vote for it and used that opportunity to speak out and state why, and to attempt to break the bill into two parts. One an immediate people?s bail out and the 2nd the corporate bail out to be delayed for scrutinizing and negotiation. > >>>> > >>>> Negotiation ?... YES, like demanding immediate ; Medicare for All, student debt forgiveness, free post high school education, bringing ALL U.S. troops home to fight the virus, $ 15 per hour national minimum wage, and a $ 1200 per month PERMANENT UBI ( Universal Basic Income ) with NO reduction in current social security, food stamp, or public assistance. > >>>> > >>>> But oh no, not a single act of opposition, just theatrical speeches from Sanders , AOC, et al about how horrible the bill is and then all of them voting for it anyway. Boy, that is really using political leverage. What a phony opposition, a pseudo resistance to corporate power that Pelosi, Schumer, et al and the DNC of course are a part of, along with their allies the Republicans. > >>>> > >>>> The ONLY solution is building a people?s party coalition OUTSIDE the Democratic party. > >>>> > >>>> Of course, electoral politics is NOT the main tool in the tool box. Nonviolent yet very confrontational direct action tactics need to be used. However, electoral politics is important IF used correctly. That being as a tactic ( a bully pulpit organizing tool ) in conjunction with direct action / mobilizations, as opposed to an end in and if itself. > >>>> > >>>> WE all have tried to do what we can in the past with varying degrees of success, but ultimately it will have to be a huge mobilization by younger people in their 20?s and 30?s before any real change will begin to happen. > >>>> The big question of course is ? how bad does it have to get before that happens ? > >>>> > >>>> My thoughts of the day. > >>>> > >>>> David J. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 8:15 PM > >>>> To: J.B. Nicholson; C G Estabrook; David Green; David Johnson; Brussel, Morton K; Mildred O'brien > >>>> Cc: peace > >>>> Subject: Fwd: [Peace] Jimmy Dore outdid himself this time, uncloaking the "progressives." > >>>> > >>>> Be sure to listen to Brave Republican Stands Against Stimulus ALONE > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I just saw this one by Jimmy Dore, he?s truly outdone himself uncloaking the lies and duplicity of the so-called progressives. A must listen, Jimmy offers suggestions as to ?what is to be done.? > >>>> > >>>> https://jimmydorecomedy.com/ > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Peace mailing list > >>>> Peace at lists.chambana.net > >>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu Apr 2 19:36:34 2020 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 12:36:34 -0700 Subject: [Peace] Fwd: Tonight at 6pm: Coronavirus, Capitalism & the Class Struggle Live Stream References: <5e8635bac1745_4eb2702f4c867bf@asgworker-qmb3-9.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> Message-ID: > > From: PSL > Subject: Tonight at 6pm: Coronavirus, Capitalism & the Class Struggle Live Stream > Date: April 2, 2020 at 11:58:03 PDT > > > > Home About Join Us Support Sign up > > > Join us tonight Thursday, April 2 at 6pm Eastern time for a live stream presentation from leaders from the Party for Socialism and Liberation on the coronavirus, capitalism and the class struggle. > > Featured speakers: > > Gloria La Riva > PSL 2020 Presidential Candidate > > Eugene Puryear > Member of the PSL Central Committee > > Brian Becker > Member of the PSL Central Committee > > "Set a reminder" for a notification?when the live stream starts on Facebook! > > Check out the PSL's latest coverage on the pandemic at LiberationNews.org > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbw292002 at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 19:42:29 2020 From: jbw292002 at gmail.com (John W.) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 14:42:29 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Jimmy Dore outdid himself this time, uncloaking the "progressives." In-Reply-To: References: <009701d60846$fb732a90$f2597fb0$@comcast.net> <22AC009B-FF11-4F04-97EF-846A257F177C@illinois.edu> <003601d60903$9e303680$da90a380$@comcast.net> <25103748-8784-48F2-8AF9-E60E47C5E939@newsfromneptune.com> Message-ID: A most entrancing and erudite etymological excursion, but I'm not seeing "field" or "table" in there anywhere. Is there some sort of class stratification that occurs between the two locations? Would "field" be the lower class, and "table" the upper crust? A sort of outdoors/indoors distinction? On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 1:46 PM C. G. Estabrook wrote: Middle English (which suceeded Anglo-saxon, after the Conquest) had > *fukken, probably of North Germanic origin: possibly from Old Norse *fukka, > from Proto-Germanic *fukk?n?. Related to dialectal Norwegian fukka (?to > copulate; fuck?), Bohusl?n Swedish fokka (?to fuck; thrust; push?), Faroese > fukka, modern Swedish focka (?to fire from work?), Swedish fock (?penis?), > as well as German ficken (?fuck; rub, slide?) (Middle High German ficken > (?to rub, solidify, strengthen?)) and Dutch fokken (?to breed?) (Middle > Dutch fokken (?to breed, bump, fuck?)), from Proto-Indo-European *pew?- > ("to strike, punch, stab", whence Latin pugnus (?fist?) and many other > words). > > Possibly attested in a 772 AD charter that mentions a place called > Fuccerham, which may mean "ham (?home?) of the fucker" or "hamm (?pasture?) > of the fucker"; a John le Fucker in a record from 1278 may just be a > variant of Fulcher, like Fucher, Foker, etc. The earliest unambiguous use > of the word in a clearly sexual context, in any stage of English, appears > to be in court documents from Cheshire, England, which mention a man called > "Roger Fuckebythenavele" (possibly tongue-in-cheek, or directly suggestive > of a sexual act) on December 8, 1310. It was first listed in a dictionary > in 1598. (Scots fuk/fuck is attested slightly earlier.) From 1500 onward, > the word has been in continual use, and displaced jape, sard, and swive. > Wikipedia. > > We all know the polite forms, which are Latinate, not Germanic: > ?copulate?, etc. They're the upper-class words, the language of the > conquerors. The reduction of 'impolite' forms to the unmannerly is clear > class stratification. ?CGE > > > > On Apr 2, 2020, at 1:29 PM, John W. wrote: > > > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 10:49 AM C. G. Estabrook via Peace < > peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > > > > Anglo-Saxon has been a suppressed language since the Norman Conquest (AD > 1066). > > > > (Modern English has two languages - one for the field, one for the > table: cattle/beef, sheep/mutton, chicken/fowl, deer/venison, etc.) > > > > Jimmy?s just restoring the balance. > > > > > > So I have to ask, Carl. Is "fuckin'" for the field or the table? > > > > > > > > > On Apr 2, 2020, at 10:30 AM, David Johnson < > davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > > Jimmy Dore?s language is the norm for most Working class people when > they are angry. > > > That is the audience he tries to appeal to. > > > > > > I do admit that sometimes his profanity is a bit overboard and makes > me cringe, but most of the time I feel it is appropriate when targeted > against certain people and their actions / statements. > > > > > > The problem in this society in my opinion is that there are way too > many people who are sheep. Many know who is to blame for their problems but > they don?t have enough anger to do anything about it. > > > I hear WAY too much of ; ? Oh well, that?s just how it is. ? > > > > > > David J. > > > > > > From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2020 7:47 AM > > > To: Brussel, Morton K > > > Cc: David Johnson; J.B. Nicholson; C G Estabrook; David Green; Mildred > O'brien; peace > > > Subject: Re: [Peace] Jimmy Dore outdid himself this time, uncloaking > the "progressives." > > > > > > I agree Jimmy Dore?s language is quite repelling, though this is > becoming the norm in media. > > > > > > Stand up comedians tend to be quite vulgar and always have, but at the > end of the day, nothing is worse than what our government does, and the > angry words reflect the anger at the horrors being perpetrated against the > vulnerable, which has been taking place incrementally for many years, now > due to the pandemic, as if on steroids. > > > > > > Again, I say look at what they do, not what they say. In the case of > our elected representatives, it?s their votes that matter. > > > > > > Yes, mass movements are most important and they will take place in the > very near future by the angry, frustrated, dispossessed. Let us hope they > are organized, using civil disobedience/resistance, with a plan by leaders > such as those involved in the Occupy Movement, or Extermination Rebellion > focused appropriately on government, and Wall St., and don?t take the form > of the anarchist chaotic bands of gangs as we saw at Berkeley or in > Portland, using mindless violence fighting one another, creating only chaos. > > > > > > > > >> On Apr 1, 2020, at 20:04, Brussel, Morton K > wrote: > > >> > > >> It is not clear to me that Sanders, AOC and others on the left of the > Dem party realized in advance that they would be betrayed/opposed by the > party ?leaders" and that they would in turn betray their initial followers. > You?d have to crawl into their minds to know that. In any case, they did > emasculate their following in compromising their initial positions and then > nosing up to Schumer, Pelosi and company. Deciding finally to back Biden, > and voting for the retrograde budget. They will most likely be disappointed > if they think they made friends and gained influence with that group. Their > seeming initial independence, with its more radical policies on health > policy, economics, environmentalism, even criticism of Israel, were never > appreciated. On the contrary, they were considered to be a threat to the > desired corporate inspired status quo. > > >> > > >> The political system in the country is, and has been, corrupt, and it > is unclear how it can be cured, except by a mass public eruption, perhaps > initiated by some disaster such as we are on the verge of seeing. The > problem has been that the narrative promulgated (on TV, radio, mainstream > newspapers and periodicals) is controlled by this pervasive media, > lubricated by money and power interests. Their propaganda makes it > difficult to effectively organize a large public following against the > reigning system and to have effective spokespeople heard. > > >> > > >> As an aside, I watched the Jimmy Dore program. He made his points > compellingly, but I wondered why he needed to use the obscene language he > so readily employs? To reach and identify with the masses? To emphasize his > anger, his dismay, his disgust? > > >> I was repelled by it. > > >> > > >>> On Apr 1, 2020, at 2:42 PM, Karen Aram > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Well said, David. > > >>> > > >>> Please when able, post your response on FB, on the JD posting I have > up on AWARE?s FB page, etc. > > >>> > > >>> None of this either disappoints or surprises me, given I have no > hope that the Democrat Party will do anything but either corrupt well > meaning people, or in the case of AOC and Ilhan, they were groomed to be > sheepherders for the DNC, ensuring no third Party captures the majority, > ensuring the people don?t see the theatrics being played out by these > individuals receiving media attention as celebrity?s. Something neither > Jill Stein or Ajamu Baraka were ever able to do. > > >>> > > >>> I agree, elections are tools in the toolbox, the PSL as a Party > knows and uses this in order to enlighten the public. They however know > being a minority they will never succeed in winning an election, they just > want to be heard. > > >>> > > >>> My letter to the NG last December is negative, but it was a warning > to those who had their hopes up, of what was to come: > > >>> > > >>> Letter to the Editor | One-party system crushing everyone > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> There is a current, new direction the Democrats are forced to take, > to clean up their image. > > >>> We shouldn?t be fooled though, it?s the position many have been > taking for some time now, given they aren?t able to hide it any longer. > > >>> The strategy: point out the ?division? within the party, and how > necessary it is to vote and support the new ?left wing? of the Democrat > Party i.e. Sanders, Warren, Gabbard, AOC, etc., as they battle the > conservative Pelosi, Adam Schiff, Schumer, etc., and all the other war > mongers, who supported everything the Republicans have been doing, with an > occasional complaint, to maintain the image of ?liberal.? > > >>> It shows a lack of comprehension and acknowledgement that our > institutions are broken, our capitalist system of empire is dying, and a > total lack of knowledge related to history and power. > > >>> These leaders aren?t ignorant or stupid. But they are counting on > our ignorance, our political illiteracy as well as our focus on positive > thinking to continue this circus of elections ensuring our elitist > oligarchs maintain power under our two-headed one-party system, thus > ensuring a third party does not challenge their power. > > >>> Our foreign policy continues as if on auto-pilot, it matters not > which of the two-party system is in power. > > >>> The goal: to keep us focused on individuals, as the U.S. government > continues to destroy and impoverish, both here and abroad, as if removal of > specific individuals will eliminate the rot of our system, given the > corporate capitalist powers behind the throne. > > >>> KAREN ARAM > > >>> Urbana > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> On Apr 1, 2020, at 09:59, David Johnson < > davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> Indeed Karen, > > >>>> > > >>>> This is really excellent. > > >>>> > > >>>> Of course it is disheartening at the same time, since one tries to > use whatever is available, no matter if it is a bit flawed, to accomplish > something, anything, just so there is some movement in the direction we > need to be going. > > >>>> > > >>>> This really reveals just how corrupt and powerful the DNC > controlled Democratic party is. > > >>>> For anyone including myself, who thought that there was a tactical > chance of creating a people?s opposition inside the Democratic party that > might someday actually become the majority, well, this is now proof > positive that that will NEVER happen. > > >>>> It appears that anyone who enters the realm of the Democratic party > at the national level, no matter how well intentioned they are at first, > always become corrupted or compromised. OR they are driven out of office > like they did to Dennis Kucinich and Cynthia McKinney. > > >>>> > > >>>> There is no sugar coating it ? Bernie Sanders, AOC and even my > favorite, Ihlan Omar, SOLD US OUT ! > > >>>> By voting for the corporate robbery bill that is the greatest > transfer of wealth from the people to the wealthy in the history of the > world. > > >>>> > > >>>> Of course the above mentioned could not have stopped it, but they > could have refused to vote for it and used that opportunity to speak out > and state why, and to attempt to break the bill into two parts. One an > immediate people?s bail out and the 2nd the corporate bail out to be > delayed for scrutinizing and negotiation. > > >>>> > > >>>> Negotiation ?... YES, like demanding immediate ; Medicare for All, > student debt forgiveness, free post high school education, bringing ALL > U.S. troops home to fight the virus, $ 15 per hour national minimum wage, > and a $ 1200 per month PERMANENT UBI ( Universal Basic Income ) with NO > reduction in current social security, food stamp, or public assistance. > > >>>> > > >>>> But oh no, not a single act of opposition, just theatrical speeches > from Sanders , AOC, et al about how horrible the bill is and then all of > them voting for it anyway. Boy, that is really using political leverage. > What a phony opposition, a pseudo resistance to corporate power that > Pelosi, Schumer, et al and the DNC of course are a part of, along with > their allies the Republicans. > > >>>> > > >>>> The ONLY solution is building a people?s party coalition OUTSIDE > the Democratic party. > > >>>> > > >>>> Of course, electoral politics is NOT the main tool in the tool box. > Nonviolent yet very confrontational direct action tactics need to be used. > However, electoral politics is important IF used correctly. That being as a > tactic ( a bully pulpit organizing tool ) in conjunction with direct action > / mobilizations, as opposed to an end in and if itself. > > >>>> > > >>>> WE all have tried to do what we can in the past with varying > degrees of success, but ultimately it will have to be a huge mobilization > by younger people in their 20?s and 30?s before any real change will begin > to happen. > > >>>> The big question of course is ? how bad does it have to get before > that happens ? > > >>>> > > >>>> My thoughts of the day. > > >>>> > > >>>> David J. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] > > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 8:15 PM > > >>>> To: J.B. Nicholson; C G Estabrook; David Green; David Johnson; > Brussel, Morton K; Mildred O'brien > > >>>> Cc: peace > > >>>> Subject: Fwd: [Peace] Jimmy Dore outdid himself this time, > uncloaking the "progressives." > > >>>> > > >>>> Be sure to listen to Brave Republican Stands Against Stimulus ALONE > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> I just saw this one by Jimmy Dore, he?s truly outdone himself > uncloaking the lies and duplicity of the so-called progressives. A must > listen, Jimmy offers suggestions as to ?what is to be done.? > > >>>> > > >>>> https://jimmydorecomedy.com/ > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> Peace mailing list > > >>>> Peace at lists.chambana.net > > >>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Peace mailing list > > Peace at lists.chambana.net > > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at newsfromneptune.com Thu Apr 2 19:44:48 2020 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 14:44:48 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Jimmy Dore outdid himself this time, uncloaking the "progressives." In-Reply-To: References: <009701d60846$fb732a90$f2597fb0$@comcast.net> <22AC009B-FF11-4F04-97EF-846A257F177C@illinois.edu> <003601d60903$9e303680$da90a380$@comcast.net> <25103748-8784-48F2-8AF9-E60E47C5E939@newsfromneptune.com> Message-ID: <513276D5-6E8D-4BAE-AC21-89FC562D733A@newsfromneptune.com> Yes. Some people raise the animals (in the field). Others have the animals served to them (at the table). > On Apr 2, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John W. wrote: > > > A most entrancing and erudite etymological excursion, but I'm not seeing "field" or "table" in there anywhere. Is there some sort of class stratification that occurs between the two locations? Would "field" be the lower class, and "table" the upper crust? A sort of outdoors/indoors distinction? > > > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 1:46 PM C. G. Estabrook wrote: > > Middle English (which suceeded Anglo-saxon, after the Conquest) had *fukken, probably of North Germanic origin: possibly from Old Norse *fukka, from Proto-Germanic *fukk?n?. Related to dialectal Norwegian fukka (?to copulate; fuck?), Bohusl?n Swedish fokka (?to fuck; thrust; push?), Faroese fukka, modern Swedish focka (?to fire from work?), Swedish fock (?penis?), as well as German ficken (?fuck; rub, slide?) (Middle High German ficken (?to rub, solidify, strengthen?)) and Dutch fokken (?to breed?) (Middle Dutch fokken (?to breed, bump, fuck?)), from Proto-Indo-European *pew?- ("to strike, punch, stab", whence Latin pugnus (?fist?) and many other words). > > Possibly attested in a 772 AD charter that mentions a place called Fuccerham, which may mean "ham (?home?) of the fucker" or "hamm (?pasture?) of the fucker"; a John le Fucker in a record from 1278 may just be a variant of Fulcher, like Fucher, Foker, etc. The earliest unambiguous use of the word in a clearly sexual context, in any stage of English, appears to be in court documents from Cheshire, England, which mention a man called "Roger Fuckebythenavele" (possibly tongue-in-cheek, or directly suggestive of a sexual act) on December 8, 1310. It was first listed in a dictionary in 1598. (Scots fuk/fuck is attested slightly earlier.) From 1500 onward, the word has been in continual use, and displaced jape, sard, and swive. Wikipedia. > > We all know the polite forms, which are Latinate, not Germanic: ?copulate?, etc. They're the upper-class words, the language of the conquerors. The reduction of 'impolite' forms to the unmannerly is clear class stratification. ?CGE > > > > On Apr 2, 2020, at 1:29 PM, John W. wrote: > > > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 10:49 AM C. G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: > > > > Anglo-Saxon has been a suppressed language since the Norman Conquest (AD 1066). > > > > (Modern English has two languages - one for the field, one for the table: cattle/beef, sheep/mutton, chicken/fowl, deer/venison, etc.) > > > > Jimmy?s just restoring the balance. > > > > > > So I have to ask, Carl. Is "fuckin'" for the field or the table? > > > > > > > > > On Apr 2, 2020, at 10:30 AM, David Johnson wrote: > > > > > > Jimmy Dore?s language is the norm for most Working class people when they are angry. > > > That is the audience he tries to appeal to. > > > > > > I do admit that sometimes his profanity is a bit overboard and makes me cringe, but most of the time I feel it is appropriate when targeted against certain people and their actions / statements. > > > > > > The problem in this society in my opinion is that there are way too many people who are sheep. Many know who is to blame for their problems but they don?t have enough anger to do anything about it. > > > I hear WAY too much of ; ? Oh well, that?s just how it is. ? > > > > > > David J. > > > > > > From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2020 7:47 AM > > > To: Brussel, Morton K > > > Cc: David Johnson; J.B. Nicholson; C G Estabrook; David Green; Mildred O'brien; peace > > > Subject: Re: [Peace] Jimmy Dore outdid himself this time, uncloaking the "progressives." > > > > > > I agree Jimmy Dore?s language is quite repelling, though this is becoming the norm in media. > > > > > > Stand up comedians tend to be quite vulgar and always have, but at the end of the day, nothing is worse than what our government does, and the angry words reflect the anger at the horrors being perpetrated against the vulnerable, which has been taking place incrementally for many years, now due to the pandemic, as if on steroids. > > > > > > Again, I say look at what they do, not what they say. In the case of our elected representatives, it?s their votes that matter. > > > > > > Yes, mass movements are most important and they will take place in the very near future by the angry, frustrated, dispossessed. Let us hope they are organized, using civil disobedience/resistance, with a plan by leaders such as those involved in the Occupy Movement, or Extermination Rebellion focused appropriately on government, and Wall St., and don?t take the form of the anarchist chaotic bands of gangs as we saw at Berkeley or in Portland, using mindless violence fighting one another, creating only chaos. > > > > > > > > >> On Apr 1, 2020, at 20:04, Brussel, Morton K wrote: > > >> > > >> It is not clear to me that Sanders, AOC and others on the left of the Dem party realized in advance that they would be betrayed/opposed by the party ?leaders" and that they would in turn betray their initial followers. You?d have to crawl into their minds to know that. In any case, they did emasculate their following in compromising their initial positions and then nosing up to Schumer, Pelosi and company. Deciding finally to back Biden, and voting for the retrograde budget. They will most likely be disappointed if they think they made friends and gained influence with that group. Their seeming initial independence, with its more radical policies on health policy, economics, environmentalism, even criticism of Israel, were never appreciated. On the contrary, they were considered to be a threat to the desired corporate inspired status quo. > > >> > > >> The political system in the country is, and has been, corrupt, and it is unclear how it can be cured, except by a mass public eruption, perhaps initiated by some disaster such as we are on the verge of seeing. The problem has been that the narrative promulgated (on TV, radio, mainstream newspapers and periodicals) is controlled by this pervasive media, lubricated by money and power interests. Their propaganda makes it difficult to effectively organize a large public following against the reigning system and to have effective spokespeople heard. > > >> > > >> As an aside, I watched the Jimmy Dore program. He made his points compellingly, but I wondered why he needed to use the obscene language he so readily employs? To reach and identify with the masses? To emphasize his anger, his dismay, his disgust? > > >> I was repelled by it. > > >> > > >>> On Apr 1, 2020, at 2:42 PM, Karen Aram wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Well said, David. > > >>> > > >>> Please when able, post your response on FB, on the JD posting I have up on AWARE?s FB page, etc. > > >>> > > >>> None of this either disappoints or surprises me, given I have no hope that the Democrat Party will do anything but either corrupt well meaning people, or in the case of AOC and Ilhan, they were groomed to be sheepherders for the DNC, ensuring no third Party captures the majority, ensuring the people don?t see the theatrics being played out by these individuals receiving media attention as celebrity?s. Something neither Jill Stein or Ajamu Baraka were ever able to do. > > >>> > > >>> I agree, elections are tools in the toolbox, the PSL as a Party knows and uses this in order to enlighten the public. They however know being a minority they will never succeed in winning an election, they just want to be heard. > > >>> > > >>> My letter to the NG last December is negative, but it was a warning to those who had their hopes up, of what was to come: > > >>> > > >>> Letter to the Editor | One-party system crushing everyone > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> There is a current, new direction the Democrats are forced to take, to clean up their image. > > >>> We shouldn?t be fooled though, it?s the position many have been taking for some time now, given they aren?t able to hide it any longer. > > >>> The strategy: point out the ?division? within the party, and how necessary it is to vote and support the new ?left wing? of the Democrat Party i.e. Sanders, Warren, Gabbard, AOC, etc., as they battle the conservative Pelosi, Adam Schiff, Schumer, etc., and all the other war mongers, who supported everything the Republicans have been doing, with an occasional complaint, to maintain the image of ?liberal.? > > >>> It shows a lack of comprehension and acknowledgement that our institutions are broken, our capitalist system of empire is dying, and a total lack of knowledge related to history and power. > > >>> These leaders aren?t ignorant or stupid. But they are counting on our ignorance, our political illiteracy as well as our focus on positive thinking to continue this circus of elections ensuring our elitist oligarchs maintain power under our two-headed one-party system, thus ensuring a third party does not challenge their power. > > >>> Our foreign policy continues as if on auto-pilot, it matters not which of the two-party system is in power. > > >>> The goal: to keep us focused on individuals, as the U.S. government continues to destroy and impoverish, both here and abroad, as if removal of specific individuals will eliminate the rot of our system, given the corporate capitalist powers behind the throne. > > >>> KAREN ARAM > > >>> Urbana > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> On Apr 1, 2020, at 09:59, David Johnson wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> Indeed Karen, > > >>>> > > >>>> This is really excellent. > > >>>> > > >>>> Of course it is disheartening at the same time, since one tries to use whatever is available, no matter if it is a bit flawed, to accomplish something, anything, just so there is some movement in the direction we need to be going. > > >>>> > > >>>> This really reveals just how corrupt and powerful the DNC controlled Democratic party is. > > >>>> For anyone including myself, who thought that there was a tactical chance of creating a people?s opposition inside the Democratic party that might someday actually become the majority, well, this is now proof positive that that will NEVER happen. > > >>>> It appears that anyone who enters the realm of the Democratic party at the national level, no matter how well intentioned they are at first, always become corrupted or compromised. OR they are driven out of office like they did to Dennis Kucinich and Cynthia McKinney. > > >>>> > > >>>> There is no sugar coating it ? Bernie Sanders, AOC and even my favorite, Ihlan Omar, SOLD US OUT ! > > >>>> By voting for the corporate robbery bill that is the greatest transfer of wealth from the people to the wealthy in the history of the world. > > >>>> > > >>>> Of course the above mentioned could not have stopped it, but they could have refused to vote for it and used that opportunity to speak out and state why, and to attempt to break the bill into two parts. One an immediate people?s bail out and the 2nd the corporate bail out to be delayed for scrutinizing and negotiation. > > >>>> > > >>>> Negotiation ?... YES, like demanding immediate ; Medicare for All, student debt forgiveness, free post high school education, bringing ALL U.S. troops home to fight the virus, $ 15 per hour national minimum wage, and a $ 1200 per month PERMANENT UBI ( Universal Basic Income ) with NO reduction in current social security, food stamp, or public assistance. > > >>>> > > >>>> But oh no, not a single act of opposition, just theatrical speeches from Sanders , AOC, et al about how horrible the bill is and then all of them voting for it anyway. Boy, that is really using political leverage. What a phony opposition, a pseudo resistance to corporate power that Pelosi, Schumer, et al and the DNC of course are a part of, along with their allies the Republicans. > > >>>> > > >>>> The ONLY solution is building a people?s party coalition OUTSIDE the Democratic party. > > >>>> > > >>>> Of course, electoral politics is NOT the main tool in the tool box. Nonviolent yet very confrontational direct action tactics need to be used. However, electoral politics is important IF used correctly. That being as a tactic ( a bully pulpit organizing tool ) in conjunction with direct action / mobilizations, as opposed to an end in and if itself. > > >>>> > > >>>> WE all have tried to do what we can in the past with varying degrees of success, but ultimately it will have to be a huge mobilization by younger people in their 20?s and 30?s before any real change will begin to happen. > > >>>> The big question of course is ? how bad does it have to get before that happens ? > > >>>> > > >>>> My thoughts of the day. > > >>>> > > >>>> David J. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] > > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 8:15 PM > > >>>> To: J.B. Nicholson; C G Estabrook; David Green; David Johnson; Brussel, Morton K; Mildred O'brien > > >>>> Cc: peace > > >>>> Subject: Fwd: [Peace] Jimmy Dore outdid himself this time, uncloaking the "progressives." > > >>>> > > >>>> Be sure to listen to Brave Republican Stands Against Stimulus ALONE > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> I just saw this one by Jimmy Dore, he?s truly outdone himself uncloaking the lies and duplicity of the so-called progressives. A must listen, Jimmy offers suggestions as to ?what is to be done.? > > >>>> > > >>>> https://jimmydorecomedy.com/ > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> Peace mailing list > > >>>> Peace at lists.chambana.net > > >>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Peace mailing list > > Peace at lists.chambana.net > > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > From karenaram at hotmail.com Fri Apr 3 13:38:53 2020 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 06:38:53 -0700 Subject: [Peace] Lee Camp interview with Howie Hawkins, Green Party candidate for President, plus Message-ID: An important interview given Lee provides Howie the opportunity to address previous statement related to russiagate. https://www.rt.com/shows/redacted-tonight-summary/484824-coronavirus-maduro-howie-hawkins/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Nicholson) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 19:58:17 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Lee Camp interview with Howie Hawkins, Green Party candidate for President, plus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69fd9bd8-1a8d-bd0b-864a-1e215b5f142a@forestfield.org> Karen Aram wrote: > An important interview given Lee provides Howie the opportunity to address > previous statement related to russiagate. > > https://www.rt.com/shows/redacted-tonight-summary/484824-coronavirus-maduro-howie-hawkins/ Thanks for this; yes, let's compare the Primo Nutmeg interview with Howie Hawkins in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xZZTlzThTo which is another copy of the same Lee Camp interview with Howie Hawkins. In regards to Russiagate, Howie Hawkins around 10 months ago (June 2019) to Primo Nutmeg: > Primo Nutmeg: I just be interested overall what are your thoughts on the way that > Jill Stein has been treated by the corporate media following the 2016 election. > > Howie Hawkins: Well I was part of an advisory group to Jill I advised her not to > go to that RT thing. > > Primo Nutmeg: Why? > > Howie Hawkins: In fact, well, I thought it was a setup. RT is you know Russian > propaganda; there's a lot of good programming on it and they don't really > interfere with that you know-- Chris Hedges, Larry King, you know, I don't know if > Larry's still on there, Tom Hartman. But there's also when the news comes from > central headquarters they get all kinds of crazy conspiracy people are there you > of crazy conspiracy people are there. You know all the Rouche people. You know the > Lyndon LaRouche? > > Primo Nutmeg: Right. > > Howie Hawkins: You know conspiracy people and others so I didn't trust them and > actually another person said you know they could take a picture that would just > overshadow everything you say. And she thought she'd give a message, she was > encouraged by a lot of people in the peace movement so she went. And that picture! > Putin-- you said she sat down with Putin, no. Putin sat down at the table with her > for just a few minutes. > > Primo Nutmeg: Right. > > Howie Hawkins: Picture snapped. Flynn is there, she don't know Flynn, nobody knows > Flynn. And Putin leaves and then Sputnik International, another state media, puts > it out on the media. And then, you know, what's their purpose? You know, divide > us, in this country, you know the Liberals from the more radical elements. And > then MSNBC, CNN, Fox put that picture out there and a lot of print media again and > again and again. They're doin' it for Russian propaganda! That was the relative > Russians wanted. I mean it's so ironic. So you know the media is you know they're > following this Russiagate thing -- which I think is serious -- I think Trump ought > to be impeached, I think it's obvious he saw collusion, he did collude, him and > his son, and his you know his son-in-law. You know it's all over that first volume > of the Muller Report. It's all over there! I mean, you know, when people say 'oh, > it showed no collusion', no it didn't, it says, Muller says right away, 'I didn't > talk about collusion'. They're talkin' about the narrow, legal definition of > conspiracy. 'Plus I can't indict a president according to this ONC letter in the > Justice Department.' He just laid out the evidence for prosecutors which has to be > Congress. The above is also the clip of Primo Nutmeg's own Hawkins interview he played for his interview with Margaret Kimberley in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCeVx_xEl7M starting at around 39 minutes. But more recently Howie Hawkins was interviewed by Lee Camp on RT's "Redacted Tonight VIP". Hawkins addressed Russiagate as follows starting around 19m25s into https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9p7peGRN5A > Lee Camp: [...] another important thing that I thought I was told it was one of > the reasons you wanted to come on the show is to clear up some statements you made > about Russiagate in the neo McCarthyism that has pummeled our country the past I > don't know two or three years we now know thanks to the Muller report that the > claims of collusion were garbage which I and many others were saying from the > beginning I have a million criticisms of Trump but that's not one of them and on > top of that just a couple of weeks ago Muller and the Justice Department move to > drop some of the only indictments that they could come up with the indictments on > the Russian clickbait farm that they claimed were posting dastardly Facebook memes > so at every level this thing seems to have fallen apart what are your thoughts on > it now considering where we stand? > > Howie Hawkins: Well I think Russia's a mass distraction. I mean the Democrats > brought that up when right after the WikiLeaks dump right before the Democratic > convention. Clinton sent Robby Mook out on to the Sunday shows to say 'Russia > Russia Russia' and I'm thinking Trump is a target-rich environment: he's a racist, > he's a liar, he's a serial sexual assaulter, he's a failed businessman, and you > want to talk about Russia? And now, you know, you got two narratives: a Republican > narrative that nothing happened, and a Democratic narrative that Russia calls > Clinton to be elected. Look, Clinton got elected. I mean Trump got elected like > Bush got elected in 2004, things the Russians had nothing to do with like black > voter suppression, like the electoral college, the Russians had nothing to do with > that. Now the Democratic narrative says because they helped Clinton win therefore > we should escalate the cold War with Russia, therefore we should censor on the > Internet through the government in the big tech companies people that have a > different point of view then the elite view, and I reject all that. I think you > know one thing I want to talk about this is an issue that none of the presidential > candidates are talking about is this new nuclear arms race. We are getting out > [of] all the treaties. The last treaty to go will be the last bilateral treaty > between Russia and the United States that's the New START treaty, it expires > February 5th next year there are no negotiations going on and both sides are > modernizing their forces, putting more tactical nukes in their conventional > forces, setting up hypersonic strategic nukes. That's a crisis! We need to get > behind the treaty for the prohibition of nuclear weapons which 122 nations agreed > to in 2017, they agreed to the text, the International Campaign for the abolition > of nuclear weapons got the Nobel Peace Prize for that, and hardly anybody in > America even knows about that. And so the Bulletin of the Atomic Science move > their clock closer to doomsday than ever before and it's not even being talked > about. So I'm saying a major issue a top campaign issue should be nuclear > disarmament. I'm calling for no-use-first use of nuclear weapons, a minimum > credible deterrent, and on the basis of those initiatives that reduce tension > going to the other nuclear powers and saying we got to get rid of all the nukes, > and I think we'll have those 122 nations that support that treaty for the > prohibition of nuclear weapons on our side. That's a huge issue that's not even > being talked about, and I think you don't deal with Russia by poking them with war > games and pushing NATO up in their face. You know there are criticisms [to be] > made of Russia, but we got a deal with them. Their economy is one-sixth of ours. > Their military budget [is] one-tenth of ours. They're not a conventional threat > but they are a nuclear superpower so we should be engaging them diplomatically not > playing this Cold War game which is a threat to all of us. > > Lee Camp: Yeah, so just to circle back real quick -- you do believe this new > McCarthyism, this red-baiting? I mean it's dangerous for the left, it's dangerous > for journalists, it's been used against Bernie Sanders, Jill Stein, just about > anybody who says anything outside of the mainstream corporate talking points. So > you agree with that right? > > Howie Hawkins: Yeah. You don't suppress dissent, you encourage it because > sometimes the dissenters are right and we should not give the state or big tech > the power to do that. I like what Edward Snowden said his biography; it's a real > page-turner, and he said like they do in Europe: our property, our data should be > our property, not the property of the big tech companies with a government that > collects it. And so we've got to protect our freedoms and censoring the internet > and people's access to it. You know net neutrality is a big issue all these things > have to be addressed. And right now they're trying to marginalize people that > disagree with what the establishment wants and that's wrong. A couple of points: * Camp had to lead Hawkins to anti-Russiagate conclusions (to the extent Hawkins expressed any anti-Russiagate conclusions in the Camp interview besides saying "yeah" in response to what Camp said). Camp seemed to give more detail on the problems with Russiagate than Hawkins gave, which I found disappointing because Camp started the Hawkins interview by saying "I was told it was one of the reasons you [Howie Hawkins] wanted to come on the show is to clear up some statements you made about Russiagate" therefore I expected a clearer break from Hawkins' Russiagate support. Instead, Hawkins appears to Camp's Russiagate lead-in to talk about not-entirely-related topics which are interesting and important but not a reason to believe Hawkins is "clearing up some statements made about Russiagate" as was mentioned. It would have been nice to hear someone address that Russiagate has multiple goals, among them: providing an excuse for Hillary Clinton's dramatic loss to Donald Trump, and to help keep Pres. Trump in line with the permanent government since candidate Trump's rhetoric was so threatening to permanent government goals. * YouTube's transcriber sometimes transcribes "Clinton" (as in Hillary Clinton) as "Satan". I'm not joking. Check out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9p7peGRN5A at 20m40s and turn on the subtitles/captioning. Enjoy. -J From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Apr 5 17:08:02 2020 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 10:08:02 -0700 Subject: [Peace] Fwd: The End of the Rule of Law References: Message-ID: > Subject: The End of the Rule of Law > Date: April 5, 2020 at 10:03:40 PDT > > Chris Hedges interview On Contact, with Bruce Fein is worth watching if one can access RT. This was the article related, in Nov. 2019 > > Mr. Fish / Truthdig > Bruce Fein , a former senior official in the Department of Justice and a constitutional scholar, has identified 12 impeachable offenses committed by Donald Trump. But, as he notes, many of these constitutional violations are not unique to the Trump administration. They have been normalized by Democratic and Republican administrations. These long-standing violations are, for this reason, ignored by Democratic Party leaders seeking to impeach the president. They have chosen to focus exclusively on Trump?s attempt to get the Ukrainian president to open an investigation of Joe Biden and his son, Hunter, in exchange for $400 million in U.S. military aid and a visit by the Ukrainian leader to the White House. Ignoring these institutionalized violations during the impeachment inquiry, Fein fears, would legitimate them and lead to the death of democracy. > > In a letter on Friday to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, also signed by Ralph Nader and Louis Fisher , Fein warns that Trump is ?shattering our entire constitutional order.? He lists as the president?s most serious constitutional violations the ?defiance of congressional subpoenas and oversight; spending billions of dollars on a southern border wall not appropriated for that purpose; continuing or expanding presidential wars not declared by Congress; exercising line-item veto power; flouting the Emoluments Clause; and, playing prosecutor, judge, jury, and executioner to kill any person on the planet based on secret, unsubstantiated information.? But he also notes that many of these violations are not unique to Trump and were also carried out by Barack Obama and George W. Bush. > > ?Many of the Democrats in the past have been complicit in these violations,? Fein said when I reached him by phone in Washington, D.C. ?They have unclean hands. They have acquiesced in illegal surveillance, as revealed by Edward Snowden. The most serious constitutional violations are the ones that are institutional usurpations. These usurpations [by both parties] have permanently weakened, if not eviscerated, the power of the legislature versus the executive.? > > > ?We have a Congress whose members, by and large, do not want the responsibilities the Constitution entrusts them with,? Fein continued. ?They like to give away everything to the president and then clamor if something goes bad. The most worrisome constitutional violations are, unfortunately, ones many members of Congress rejoice in. It enables them to escape making hard choices that might compromise their ability to win reelection. But you can?t rely on a past dereliction to justify its perpetuation indefinitely.? > > ?If we take a narrow approach to impeachment, that will mean that all the more egregious violations will be viewed as having been endorsed and not rebuked and successive presidents will feel they have a green light to emulate Trump on everything except a Ukrainian shakedown,? Fein said. ?This is dangerous for the country. This could boomerang, even if we get rid of Trump, by endorsing these usurpations forever. This would be a return to a one-branch government like the monarchy we overthrew in 1776. The unwitting result is to further the [power of the] executive rather than diminish it, which is what should be happening.? > > Bush and Obama bequeathed to us nine illegal wars, if we include Yemen. None were declared by Congress, as is demanded by the Constitution. Bush placed the entire U.S. public under government surveillance in direct violation of the Fourth Amendment and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), which makes it a crime for the government to surveil any American citizen without authorization by statute. Under the Executive Order 10333 the president spies on Americans as if they were foreigners, although this surveillance has not been authorized by statute. Bush embarked on a global program of kidnapping and torture, including of foreign nationals, which Obama continued. Bush and Obama carried out targeted assassinations, usually by militarized drones, across the globe. And Obama, reinterpreting the 2002 Authorization for Use of Military Force Act, gave the executive branch the authority to assassinate U.S. citizens. The killings began with drone strikes on the radical cleric Anwar al-Awlaki and, two weeks later, his 16-year-old son. Such a violation denies U.S. citizens due process. By signing into law Section 1021 of the National Defense Authorization Act, Obama?whose record on civil liberties is even more appalling than Bush?s gutted the 1878 Posse Comitatus Act, which prohibits the use of the military as a domestic police force. > > These two presidents, like Trump, violated treaty clauses that required Senate ratification. Obama did this when he signed the Iran nuclear deal and Trump did this when he walked away from the deal. Bush and Obama, like Trump, violated the appointments clause of the Constitution by appointing people who were never confirmed by the Senate as required. The three presidents, to override Congress, all routinely abused their right to use executive orders. > > At the same time the courts, a wholly owned subsidiary of corporate power, have transformed the electoral system into legalized bribery through the Citizens United ruling , handed down by the Supreme Court in 2010. Corporations pouring unlimited money into elections was interpreted by the court as the right to petition the government and a form of free speech, essentially overturning the people?s rights by judicial fiat. Also, the courts have steadfastly refused to restore basic constitutional rights including our right to privacy and due process. ?The constitutional rot is in all three branches,? Fein said. > > The 12 impeachable offenses committed by Trump and singled out by Fein are: > > 1. Contempt of Congress > > Trump made clear his contempt of Congress when he boasted, ?? I have Article II, where I have the right to do whatever I want as president.? > > ?President Trump has repeatedly and unconstitutionally systematically undermined the congressional oversight power, including the ongoing congressional impeachment inquiry of the President himself, by instructing numerous current and former White House staff and members of the executive branch to defy congressional subpoenas on an unprecedented scale far beyond any previous President,? Fein wrote to Pelosi. ?Without congressional authority, he has secretly deployed special forces abroad and employed secret guidelines for targeted killings, including American citizens, based on secret unsubstantiated information. He has unconstitutionally endeavored to block private persons or entities from responding to congressional requests or subpoenas for information, e.g., Deutsche Bank. He has refused to provide Congress information about nepotistic or other security clearances he granted in opposition to his own FBI security experts. He has refused to disclose his tax returns to the Chairman of the Ways and Means Committee contrary to a 1924 law, 26 U.S.C. 6103 (f).? > > 2. Abuse of the Powers of the President and Abuse of Public Trust > > ?Unlike prior presidents, he has made presidential lies as routine as the rising and setting of the sun, confounding civil discourse, truth and public trust,? the memo to Pelosi reads. ?He has disrespected, belittled, and serially preyed upon women, mocked the disabled, incited violence against the mainstream media and critics, and encouraged and displayed bigotry towards minorities and minority Members of Congress, including intercession with Israel in serious violation of the Speech or Debate Clause, Article I, section 6, clause 1, to deny two Members visitor visas.? > > 3. Appropriations Clause, Revenue Clause > > ?Congress has consistently voted much less money than President Trump requested to build an extensive, multi-billion-dollar wall with Mexico,? the memo reads. ?In violation of the Clause and the criminal prohibition of the Anti-Deficiency Act, President Trump has committed to spending billions of dollars far in excess of what Congress has appropriated for the wall. The congressional power of the purse is a cornerstone of the Constitution?s separation of powers.? > > Article I, Section 7, Clause 1 of the Constitution requires all revenue measures to originate in the House of Representatives. > > ?In violation of the Clause, President Trump has raised tens of billions of dollars by unilaterally imposing tariffs with limitless discretion under section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962,? the memo reads. ?He has become a Foreign Trade Czar in imposing tariffs or quotas or granting exemptions from his trade restrictions in his unbridled discretion to assist political friends and punish political enemies. Literally trillions of dollars in international trade have been affected. Riches are made, and livelihoods destroyed overnight with the capricious stroke of President Trump?s pen.? > > 4. Emoluments Clause > > ?Article I, section 9, clause 8 prohibits the President (and other federal officers), without the consent of Congress, from accepting any ?present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatsoever, from any King, Prince, or foreign state.? > > ?President Trump has notoriously refused to place his assets in a blind trust,? the memo reads. ?Instead, he continues to profit from opulent hotels heavily patronized by foreign governments. He has permitted his family to commercialize the White House. He has compromised the national interest to enrich family wealth on a scale unprecedented in the history of the presidency.? > > 5. Treaty Clause > > Article II, Section 2, Clause 2 requires Senate ratification of treaties by two-thirds majorities. The text is silent as to whether treaty termination requires Senate ratification, and the Supreme Court held the issue was a non-justiciable political question in Goldwater v. Carter, 444 U.S. 996 (1979). > > ?President Trump flouted the Treaty Clause in terminating the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF) with Russia unilaterally,? the memo reads. ?The treaty assigned the termination decision to the ?United States.? The President alone is not the United States under the Treaty Clause.? > > 6. Declare War Clause > > Article I, Section 8, Clause 11 empowers Congress alone to take the nation from a state of peace to a state of war. That power cannot be delegated. > > ?In violation of the Declare War Clause, President Trump has continued to wage or has initiated presidential wars in Libya, Somalia, Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan, and has used special forces offensively in several African nations,? the memo reads. ?President Trump has claimed authority to initiate war against any nation or non-state actor in the world?not in self-defense?on his say-so alone, including war against North Korea, Iran, or Venezuela.? > > 7. Take Care Clause; Presentment Clause > > Article II, Section 3 obligates the president to ?take care that the laws be faithfully executed.? > > ?In violation of that trust, President Donald J. Trump deliberately attempted to frustrate special counsel Robert Mueller?s investigation of collaboration between the Trump 2016 campaign and Russia to influence the presidential election,? Fein points out. ?Among other things, the President refused to answer specific questions relating to his presidential conduct; endeavored to fire the special counsel; dangled pardons for non-cooperating witnesses; and, urged Attorney General Jeff Sessions to reverse his recusal decision to better protect his presidency. In all these respects, the President was attempting to obstruct justice.? > > ?President Trump has also systematically declined to enforce statutory mandates of Congress by arbitrarily and capriciously revoking scores of agency rules ranging from immigration to the Consumer Financial Protection Board to the Environmental Protection Agency in violation of the Administrative Procedure Act or otherwise,? the memo reads. ?He has routinely legislated by executive order in lieu of following constitutionally prescribed processes for legislation.? > > ?In violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, Mr. Trump has dismantled and disabled scores of preventive measures to save lives, avoid injuries or disease, help families, consumers, and workers, and detect, deter, and punish tens of billions of dollars of corporate fraud,? the memo continues. ?He has disputed climate disruption as a ?Chinese hoax,? compounded the climate crisis by overt actions that expand greenhouse gas emissions and pollution, and excluded or marginalized the influence of civil service scientists.? > > 8. Due Process Clause > > The Fifth Amendment provides that no person shall ?be deprived of life ? without due process of law.? > > ?In violation of due process, President Trump claims power, like his immediate two predecessors, to act as prosecutor, judge, jury, and executioner to kill American citizens or non-citizens alike, on or off a battlefield, whether or not engaged in hostilities, whether or not accused of crime, and whether or not posing an imminent threat of harm that would trigger a right of preemptive self-defense,? the memo reads. > > 9. Appointments Clause > > ?President Trump has repeatedly appointed principal officers of the United States, including the National Security Advisor and Cabinet officials, who have not been confirmed by the Senate in violation of the Appointments Clause, Article II, section 2, clause 2,? the memo reads. ?On a scale never practiced by prior presidents, Mr. Trump has filled as many as half of Cabinet posts with ?Acting Secretaries? who have never been confirmed by the Senate.? > > 10. Soliciting a Foreign Contribution for the 2020 Presidential Campaign and Bribery > > ?President Trump has endeavored to corrupt the 2020 presidential campaign by soliciting the President of Ukraine to contribute something of value to diminish the popularity of potential rival Joe Biden, i.e., a Ukrainian investigation of Mr. Biden and his son Hunter relating to potential corrupt practices of Burisma, which compensated Hunter handsomely ($50,000 per month). In so doing, Mr. Trump violated the criminal campaign finance prohibition set forth in 52 U.S.C. 30121,? Fein?s memo reads. > > ?President Trump solicited a bribe for himself in violation of 18 U.S.C. 201 in seeking something of personal value, i.e., discrediting Joe Biden?s 2020 presidential campaign with the help of the President of Ukraine to influence Mr. Trump?s official decision to release approximately $400 million in military and related assistance,? it adds. > > 11. Violating Citizen Privacy > > ?Government spying on Americans ordinarily requires a warrant issued by a neutral magistrate based on probable cause to believe crime is afoot,? the memo reads. ?President Trump, however, routinely violates the Fourth Amendment with suspicionless surveillance of Americans for non-criminal, foreign intelligence purposes under Executive Order 12333 and aggressive interpretations of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.? > > 12. 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In the face of these facts, we have joined a number of other local organizations and individuals in signing an open letter to Champaign County officials, and we invite you to do the same. The letter demands, among other things, the immediate release of the 70% of legally innocent CU inmates currently experiencing pretrial detention. Nationally, Socialist Alternative has organized a petition calling on Congress to bail out workers, not billionaires and corporations. We need an organized, democratic response to this crisis that places the health and livelihoods of the people ahead of private profits! > > In solidarity, > > Socialist Alternative-CU > > > > Copyright ? 2020 Socialist Alternative CU, All rights reserved. > You are receiving this email because you opted in via our website. > > Our mailing address is: > Socialist Alternative CU > P.O. 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While we agree about the necessity of defeating Donald Trump, we arrive at the opposite conclusion: The Democratic Party, and all Americans, will benefit from Bernie continuing his campaign in this historic moment. The severity of the COVID-19 national emergency has changed everything in this election year. Coronavirus has revealed, with tragic consequences, the failings of our public health institutions and economic safety net ? in ways that Bernie Sanders has been warning against for decades. Thus, it comes as no surprise that Bernie?s platform directly addresses these failings; in marked contrast to his rival?s. As many observers have noted, with each passing day the COVID-19 pandemic is proving the wisdom of the Sanders agenda. Full text: https://pdamerica.org/stay-in-the-race-bernie-sanders-america-needs-you-now-more-than-ever/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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John?s film spells out the reason why the NHS might be overwhelmed by the impact of the coronavirus: the lack of resources which are the direct result of the policies of the last ten years and the devastation caused by sustained privatisation. At the end of the film Professor Danny Dorling foresaw what we are now going through: "The NHS gave us freedom from fear .... now that fear has returned." This is a film to enrage, but also to inspire: to make sure that when the pandemic is over, the NHS is rebuilt as a properly funded public health system. > WATCH ONLINE FROM MON 13 APRIL > > On Wednesday 15 April, there will be a live Q&A with two of its main contributors ? 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Estabrook) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 20:50:16 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Bernie's Last tape - CounterPunch.org Message-ID: https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/04/09/bernies-last-tape/ From karenaram at hotmail.com Fri Apr 10 14:44:42 2020 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 07:44:42 -0700 Subject: [Peace] Crosstalk, a really good one with Prof. Richard Wolfe, Joti Brar and a libertarian who left in a huff. Message-ID: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nggh-tqIjU&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR1NlD53YsatWQnfxr3BNrDORT0NGOshtT1biijWwbqYJZ-I7scKtlRC48s -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbn at forestfield.org Sat Apr 11 03:14:56 2020 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 22:14:56 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Notes (COVID-19 edition) Message-ID: <8e2eeee0-f9a9-b888-ac05-00de51da4be4@forestfield.org> So many of the stories not covered elsewhere are now covered by Jimmy Dore & RT. Dore is particularly good on covering stories about workers, such as pointing out that the workers deemed essential (note how this is not the upper-level workers such as management) also the least-well paid and the most at-risk from contracting and spreading COVID-19. This particular point is brought up on RT's CrossTalk (below) as well in what is probably one of their best episodes. Assange missing from hearing, reported to be "unwell" and still trapped in COVID-19 prison/petri dish Consortium News: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ccGRIuA5SU -- interview with Deepa Govindarajan Driver who was in the courtroom for the hearing. Related: Galloway on Coronavirus "ripping" through Belmarsh prison. RT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DT2oDnHc9I Almost 1/3rd of US renters didn't pay their rent on time on April 1, 2020. Jimmy Dore: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASwpV-nfJu8 pay-rent-by-april-fifth-20200408-iqpwwtzr35cmrliiwnvs2qlasm-story.html https://www.wsj.com/articles/nearly-a-third-of-u-s-renters-didnt-pay-april-rent-11586340000 https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-nearly-third-renters-did-not- > A national landlord group has found that nearly a third of U.S. renters didn?t pay > any of their rent in the first week of April, a stark sign of how much American > families are struggling economically during the coronavirus pandemic. > > Only 69% of households had paid their rent by April 5, down from 81% that had paid > by March 5 and 82% that did so by April 5, 2019, according to data collected by > the National Multifamily Housing Council. > > The group?s rent payment tracker reflects data from 13.4 million units across the > country and includes renters who only made partial payments. > > The percentage of payments is likely to grow, however, as many renters are > expected to pay their rent later in the month or made online payments that weren?t > processed by April 5. > > Still, the drop in payments during the first five days of the month suggests many > renters are struggling to keep up with their bills as businesses across the > country shut their doors to slow the spread of coronavirus, which has already > killed about 13,000 people in the U.S. > > ?The COVID-19 outbreak has resulted in significant health and financial challenges > for apartment residents and multifamily owners, operators and employees in > communities across the country,? Doug Bibby, the council?s president, said in a > statement Wednesday. > > ?However, it is important to note that a large number of residents met their > obligations despite unparalleled circumstances, and we will see that figure > increase over the coming weeks,? he added. CrossTalk with 2 guests who challenge capitalism, 1 who defends capitalism and gives up on the show part of the way in. RT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nggh-tqIjU John Pilger interview in "Underground" season-ender (the show is coming back for another season) RT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HupV6GRPLw McDonald's workers are striking in multiple cities (keep in mind how McDonald's treats their workers when COVID-19 stay-at-home order is over) Jimmy Dore: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKoXPOU5xHc Matt Taibbi on how this bailout is worse than the 2008 bailout The Hill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqcpipS2yvI I recommend that UPTV replay all of these videos. I understand that they still won't play the Jimmy Dore episodes because we might hear Jimmy say naughty words. From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat Apr 11 14:27:32 2020 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 07:27:32 -0700 Subject: [Peace] A must listen: John Pilger on Corona Virus, China, Julian Assange, plus....... Message-ID: https://www.rt.com/shows/going-underground/485225-john-pilger-coronavirus-pandemic/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbn at forestfield.org Sun Apr 12 06:38:24 2020 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 01:38:24 -0500 Subject: [Peace] My take on Sanders' campaign to draw people into the Democratic Party, and recent Democracy Now coverage Message-ID: DN is an increasingly establishment-friendly news outlet no better than NBC, CBS, PBS, etc. The issues that drove Aaron Mate away are serious and the most recent AOC interview on a major bill is consistent with their slide into being just another establishment outlet. Goodman's most recent AOC interview has some talk about the bailout bill (I refuse to call it a "stimulus" because it only stimulates executives ability to buy back their stock, artificially inflate their company value, and buy out competition all while not funding the public at large. None of that helps us.). https://www.democracynow.org/2020/4/7/aoc_coronavirus_stimulus_corporate_slush_fund > JUAN GONZ?LEZ: [...] Congresswoman, could you talk about the debate that you had > within yourself in terms of whether to support this package, given the enormous > tax breaks and the direct grants and loans to corporate America? > > REP. ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ: Yeah. Well, you know, I think, ultimately, this > debate, it was up to each and every member. I don?t slight any member for how they > voted. I could not bring myself to ultimately support this bill, because I believe > that people will soon see the extraordinary asymmetrical assistance that went to > corporations. We?re not just talking about half a trillion dollars that went to > Wall Street, as I mentioned in my remarks. That is being leveraged to $4 trillion > for Wall Street and corporations. And what we?re seeing in payroll protection for > small businesses is just a drop in the bucket compared to that. > > But, ultimately, what this administration did was hold every hospital hostage, > hold every frontline worker hostage. And it is not an easy decision whatsoever for > any member. But, ultimately, I think that people will soon see the betrayal that > was in this bill, that was pushed forward by the administration and by Mitch > McConnell. It is completely ? it is completely unethical and inhumane, what has > been done. And we talk about the oversight of this bill. It is far too little. It > is far too flimsy. And what we have essentially done was give Steven Mnuchin a > blank check to pick and choose who this administration will reward with $4 > trillion. When AOC said "I could not bring myself to ultimately support this bill" it gives the impression that she voted against the bill but she didn't exactly say that she voted against that bill. AOC won't say precisely how she voted and because DN's reportage is biased in her favor, they don't explicitly ask her how she voted using proper language and confirmation of how she voted. The Hill recently insisted "AOC DID vote no on the bailout" in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjXMdFCMDuk but there's no evidence to back that up. It's a voice vote. Sadly, The Hill quoted this same interview segment from DN to conclude that AOC voted against that bill. That's either The Hill's poor evaluation criteria at work, or they're a part of the manufacture of a proper image for AOC. Jimmy Dore responds to that claim from The Hill in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5uH0Dn7PfU and makes excellent points: - AOC should have called for a roll call vote, but she didn't. - AOC should have called out her leadership for not insisting on a roll call vote, but she didn't. - AOC has an invitation to go on Jimmy Dore's show and say that she did not vote for that bailout bill, but she won't go on Dore's show and say that because she knows the truth: she voted for that bill. I call this an excellent point because this is a real 'put up or shut up' moment and we need to be clear about who is on our side. - Therefore AOC wouldn't be using euphemisms like she "could not bring [her]self to ultimately support this bill" if she had voted against that bill. She'd be explicit and precise in her language. She'd rightfully and repeatedly boast to her base and to her constituents that she did right by them in their time of need, thus justifying putting her in power. I'd also add: - Democracy Now (Amy Goodman) never should have accepted that vague language from AOC. Goodman should have asked "So did you vote for the bill, yes or no?" but Goodman didn't do that. We had come to expect a vastly different interview style from DN and Goodman in particular -- asking lengthy questions to that CNN reporter (Aaron Brown?) about shitty news coverage from CNN, "keeping" Pres. Clinton on the phone answering tough questions and for far longer than he wanted to talk followed by Goodman pointing out in subsequent interviews about that call that 'the most powerful man in the world doesn't know how to hang up the phone?', and so on. We don't need unclear reportage like what we got from AOC in this promotional spot posing as an interview. We get euphemisms and obscurantism all the time from other establishment-friendly outlets. DN was supposed to stand apart from that coverage and be worth charitably contributing to. Consider this excerpt from DN, which is typical of what they've broadcast every day recently: https://www.democracynow.org/2020/4/9/bernie_sanders_naomi_klein > NAOMI KLEIN: Well, I think the main thing that I want to say this morning, Amy, is > just that I just would like to express my huge gratitude to Bernie Sanders, to his > entire family, to the many people who worked for the campaign just so tirelessly > and opened up the window of what was possible politically in this country. It was > an incredibly tough campaign. And I trust that Bernie is making the right decision > in this moment as the leader of that campaign and also as a U.S. senator. I know > that he?s not going to just go relax, as he said in his address. He intends to > fight for people, as he has always done, in this critical moment, in terms of what > kind of relief, rescue and reimagining that we do in the midst of this pandemic. > He is staying on the ballot. He is still building power in order to pressure the > Democratic Party and Joe Biden to run the most progressive campaign that they can. > So, you know, I feel so much gratitude for Senator Sanders. > > More than anything else, I think what the campaign did is help us find each other. > And by ?us,? I mean that huge ?us? of the ?Not me. Us.? campaign. And he did this > not just in this campaign, but in 2016, where he really broke the spell of the > Reagan era, that spell that has lasted for four decades, that told people, who > believed, that this system that was funneling so much wealth upwards and spreading > insecurity, precariousness, poverty and pollution for everybody else ? everybody > who saw that system and thought there was something deeply wrong with it, what the > neoliberal era told us was that we were the ones who were crazy, we were a tiny > minority of fringe people, and that we should just accept it. And what the Sanders > campaign did in 2016 is tell us that we had been lied to, that, in fact, there > were so many millions of us who saw that this world was fundamentally upside down. > And all of the incredible organizing, including digital organizing but also > in-person organizing, wove this amazing web, and we were able to find each other > and find that we were many and they were few. And so, I don?t think we can ever > thank Bernie Sanders and the campaign enough for that. And being part of the > campaign as a volunteer ? but I did go to four states for the campaign ? was some > of the ? provided some of the greatest moments of my political life. I mean, I was > in Nevada when we won, and got to be part of that incredibly joyful moment and > just got to meet so many other like-minded people. Precisely what did Sanders do in or around 2016 that could fairly be described as "[breaking] the spell of the Reagan era, that spell that has lasted for four decades, that told people, who believed, that this system that was funneling so much wealth upwards and spreading insecurity, precariousness, poverty and pollution for everybody else"? Sanders used Medicare for All, a Green New Deal, and some other policy ideas to attract people to a campaign he (by all available evidence) never intended to win. Then he full-throatedly endorsed his neoliberal opponent Hillary Rodham Clinton. People at the time were so pissed at how his campaign was treated that they sued the DNC corporation (a suit both DN and Sen. Sanders himself were tellingly silent about), and these disaffected Sanders supporters did not vote for Clinton (becoming part of a major reason why she lost -- she didn't keep the Obama voters across enough states with enough electoral votes to win). I believe that came to be known as "#DemExit", inspired by the portmanteau Brexit. Regarding Noam Chomsky's comments to DN about Sanders' 2020 campaign: https://www.democracynow.org/2020/4/9/noam_chomsky_bernie_sanders_campaign > Noam Chomsky: [...] Suppose Biden is elected. I would anticipate it would be > essentially a continuation of Obama ? nothing very great, but at least not totally > destructive, and opportunities for an organized public to change what is being > done, to impose pressures. > > It?s common to say now that the Sanders campaign failed. I think that?s a mistake. > I think it was an extraordinary success, completely shifted the arena of debate > and discussion. Issues that were unthinkable a couple years ago are now right in > the middle of attention. > > The worst crime he committed, in the eyes of the establishment, is not the policy > he?s proposing; it?s the fact that he was able to inspire popular movements, which > had already been developing ? Occupy, Black Lives Matter, many others ? and turn > them into an activist movement, which doesn?t just show up every couple years to > push a leader and then go home, but applies constant pressure, constant activism > and so on. That could affect a Biden administration. I disagree. With what leverage will Sanders "pressure the Democratic Party and Joe Biden to run the most progressive campaign that they can" (and what a weak standard that is) or "impose pressure"? What activist movement did Sanders build? Sanders had some people interested in his campaign and Sanders has a Democratic Party candidate incubator group ("Our Revolution"). I'd chiefly attribute increased interest in Medicare for All and Universal Basic Income now to COVID-19 lockdown/stay-at-home economic pressure (various types of strikes, people losing their jobs, to name a couple of examples) more than I'd attribute this to Sanders' speeches. And, even if we assume this activist movement exists, precisely how is that activist movement more likely to sway a theoretical Biden administration than the Trump administration? The most credit I can give Sanders is bringing slightly more attention to Medicare for All for a time but ultimately that credit had to stop when he abandoned that very effort in the swan song of his campaign (when he said "Let me be clear: I am not proposing that we pass Medicare for All in this moment. That fight continues into the future." and saying in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uQV83U5Dk around 41m44s "This is not Medicare for All, we can?t pass that right now."). He did that in order to appease his real master the Democratic Party. I can't help but think that Congress knows that bailing out businesses was unnecessary and that they are all too feckless to challenge their party leadership for a better bill. So they're falling back on unchallenging PR to create better "optics" (as they say in the public relations biz). I could be convinced toward Chomsky's nicer position if he gave evidence. But there is none to be found so it's not surprising that Chomsky didn't give any evidence. As far as I can tell it's all a 'feelings'-based argument driven by a Democratic Party desire to manufacture a better legacy for someone who did drop Medicare for All promotion, and absolutely did vote for the bailout bill (we have the roll call vote to prove this). That vote means that Sanders could have made a name for himself by voting against that bill and then taken that 'no' vote to the people whom he still hopes to collect votes from and campaign contributions from -- remember that Sanders merely "suspended" his campaign. That bailout bill still would have easily passed the Senate without Sanders' yay vote). So my calling Sanders feckless seems completely fair, right, and proper to me, particularly considering that this is a time of obvious struggle for the poorest among us, and that this bill implements the largest wealth transfer. People haven't fully felt the effects of this bill yet. By the time they do they'll be asking "Wha happened?" and they'll need to look back on history and recognize not only what did happen, and who made it happen, but also they'll need to skip a lot of establishment-friendly media which was lying to them. Recent big events (including war!) are so poorly covered by DN of late, DN is just not worth my time and certainly not worth contributing money to. I only watch it now on rare occasion and purely as a bellweather for so-called "progressive" media as DN is still considered a well-known outlet in those circles. I don't trust the news I get from DN without other independent confirmations. Also, the interviews DN gets are often not that great (see above with AOC). I think that history will come to see Jeffrey St. Clair's book "Bernie & The Sandernistas: Field Notes From a Failed Revolution" (https://store.counterpunch.org/product/bernie-the-sandernistas/) about Sanders' 2016 campaign as prophetic -- Sanders deserved the criticism he received for his 2016 campaign from both St. Clair and Black Agenda Report (such as https://www.blackagendareport.com/bernie-sanders-sheepdog-4-hillary). Sanders deserves the criticism he receives now. And the establishment-friendly media is desperate to create another narrative where Sanders looks a hell of a lot better than his political record can support (on April 7 he posted https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1247689671557201924 which reads "There is a word to describe our health care system today: grotesque. We need Medicare for All." and then on April 8 he "suspended" his campaign and dropped Medicare for All saying it wasn't politically tenable. If that doesn't urge sharp critique, what does? Sanders never had a foreign policy position that was clearly distinguishable from a neocon's, so he's got nothing to offer there). Perhaps Jimmy Dore is correct: Sanders did what he did to escape being viewed with hatred like the DNC views Ralph Nader. Sanders' choices are consistent with that motivation. From jbn at forestfield.org Mon Apr 13 02:02:16 2020 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 21:02:16 -0500 Subject: [Peace] News From Neptune #451 notes In-Reply-To: <790e735a-926c-cb6c-7e99-2bb7172a52a7@forestfield.org> References: <790e735a-926c-cb6c-7e99-2bb7172a52a7@forestfield.org> Message-ID: <09226168-62a6-9a06-06d7-133807ba36c6@forestfield.org> I wrote: > Washington Post on cryptography company, Crypto AG > http://archive.ph/pk2nu > https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/national-security/cia-crypto-encryption-machines-espionage/ Now there is: A followup Chris Hedges interview to this with William Binney (Intelligence Analyst & NSA whistleblower) https://cdnv.rt.com/files/2020.04/5e92b3e285f540458b47569d.mp4 -- the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsbDRDNHGYc -- the video https://www.rt.com/shows/on-contact/485560-binney-cia-intelligence-coup/ -- a transcript will likely show up here Binney talks about civil liberties, the constant attack on privacy, some of the means by which: one's presence can be tracked, people can be physically burned (Binney alleges that there are the means to use microwave radiation to burn skin from a distance), and one's commonly-used technology (your tracker/cell phone, your "Internet of Things" devices, etc.) can be spied upon to make it rat you out all the time, everywhere you go, and even when you think some of these devices are turned off. Doesn't William Binney have some connection to the allegations that Russia "hacked" the DNC emails and gave them to WikiLeaks? Binney is also the one who spoke of the effort of a number of people including the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity conducted to test the widely repeated claim Hillary Clinton made about Russians somehow breaking the DNC's security to obtain a copy of emails and then conveying that data to WikiLeaks for publication (https://wikileaks.org//dnc-emails/). What they discovered completely debunked Clinton's claim. 20m34s into https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjHs-E2e2V4 Abby Martin talks with Bill Binney about how we know the DNC emails were leaked from the inside and not obtained remotely over the Internet (a claim he's made consistently for years on a variety of news outlets): > Abby Martin: Let's move on to the allegations of Russian hacking into Podesta's > email account in the DNC. Can you first go over the evidence that Muller claims to > have that proves that it's Russia? > > Bill Binney: Well you see, I really don't know of any evidence that Mueller has > because he's never made it public. So, the only evidence I have is what's made > public. And from that it went into the Rosenstein indictment, you know the > Guccifer 2 and the DC Leaks data. And they talked about that as the evidence for > the indictments and so on. You know they claimed that Guccifer 2 is a Russian, but > the timestamps that we have on the programming inside the data that was published > by Guccifer 2 shows timestamps that are consistently inside the United States. But > that's not the real issue, the real issue was with the data itself and how quickly > it was downloaded, it was incompatible with a transfer across the net to anywhere > or any distance. If it went beyond the high-speed line that you had dedicated to > you, then it slowed down. > > Abby Martin: Explain that in laymen's terms -- why you think this was an inside > leak as opposed to a hack? > > Bill Binney: Okay, well, the fastest download speed we had was a 49.1 megabyte > rate. Which meant that the hacker was taking the data out at that rate across the > network, where ever they were. You know they could be local, they could be > anywhere. Well, we said okay, what is the capacity of the lines going across to > Europe? And at that point everything failed -- you couldn't get it across that > fast. But you could to a thumb drive or something local. Some of our people > disagreed with that, they said they thought it could. So we said, okay we'll try > it. So we've got hacker friends in Europe trying to -- and a friend in the US to > put up a gigabyte of data and say 'Here, try to pull it across, see how fast you > can get it.'. And the fastest they could get was from a data center in New Jersey > to the UK in London. And that was 12.0 megabytes per second -- less than > one-fourth the necessary capacity to transmit the data alone. > > Abby Martin: Well, what about the timestamps: do you think that Russia could have > been throwing off analysts by planting false timestamps? > > Bill Binney: First off, to understand the massive surveillance that is involved: > everything is captured by NSA. So, NSA should have some of that evidence > somewhere. And they have failed to come forward, even the ICA -- the Intelligence > Community Assessment -- that Russia "hacked it", you know? NSA had "moderate > confidence". > > Abby Martin: Right, what does that mean? > > Bill Binney: That means we have no evidence. > > Abby Martin: Because the other intelligence agencies said they had confidence but > the NSA said they had "moderate confidence". > > Bill Binney: You see, they aren't relevant. When it comes to communication, NSA is > the only one that matters. The rest of them don't. > > Abby Martin: And did they explain what the "moderate confidence" that they had > meant? > > Bill Binney: No. I mean, to me, that's language for 'I have no evidence.'. > > Abby Martin: I wanted to get this out of the way because it's always interested me > because you claim that British diplomat Craig Murray corroborates this-- > > Bill Binney: Yep. > > Abby Martin: --he claims that he handed over a drive to someone. > > Bill Binney: Well, he talked to somebody who was involved in transferring the > data, yeah. > > Abby Martin: So he, himself, talked to someone. > > Bill Binney: But even from the forensic evidence based on the WikiLeaks exposure > of data that they published there were multiple ways that they got it. > > Abby Martin: Then who else has corroborated your findings? > > Bill Binney: A number of technical people, people in the Veteran Intelligence > Professionals for Sanity and others around the world, by the way. So there is no evidence that these emails came from Russians breaking into the DNC's computers remotely over the Internet. The Russiagate line that Hillary Clinton and "every Blairite, every Clintonite, by the BBC, by CNN, by the Guardian, the New York Times and the Washington Post" (per former Ambassador Craig Murray in his blog on https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/08/in-the-world-of-truth-and-fact-russiagate-is-dead-in-the-world-of-the-political-establishment-it-is-still-the-new-42/) repeats widely is false. So how did the data get to WikiLeaks? John Kiriakou brought up Craig Murray in Kiriakou's interview with Redacted Tonight's Lee Camp: Starting at 3m55s into https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrVWeA2QmWk > Lee Camp: And this is one of the many holes in the Muller report, which still > found no collusion, but they [the FBI] didn't even talk to Julian Assange. > > John Kiriakou: They never even /asked/ to talk to Julian Assange. > > Lee Camp: It's amazing. > > John Kiriakou: And I'll tell you who else they didn't talk to was Ambassador Craig > Murray. Craig's the former ambassador to Uzbekistan. He came here [to the US] > right around that time in 2016 to participate in a Sam Adams award ceremony. Sam > Adams is a group of retired CIA, NSA, other intelligence officers and we were > giving an award. Well, Craig loves to go out drinking after these award > ceremonies. That night he didn't. That night he said he had an important meeting. > As it turned out his important meeting was to meet someone who he's never named > who gave him a thumb drive with all of the information on it -- all of the DNC > emails-- > > Lee Camp: Wow. > > John Kiriakou: --which he then took to WikiLeaks. > > Lee Camp: Wow. > > John Kiriakou: So if he has come out to confess that it was not a hack, not a > Russian hack, [saying] 'I physically carried the documents to WikiLeaks', why did > the FBI never want to interview him? > > Lee Camp: That's incredible, I didn't even know that detail. But there's been a > lot of other evidence brought forward that this was not a hack, it was a leak. It > was from the inside. > > John Kiriakou: It was; Bill Binney, the former Technical Director at the NSA has > said repeatedly -- including in the Oval Office -- that the rate of speed with the > information was uploaded shows -- proves -- that it could not possibly have been > done remotely. It had to have been done on- site on a thumb drive. > > Lee Camp: Yeah, but that upends the whole 'Russia did it' idea so we can't have > that. So it's quite possible that Seth Rich, former DNC employee, copied the emails from the DNC server to a USB key (thumb drive) and gave that thumb drive to Craig Murray who met Rich on the night of the Sam Adams award ceremony. Seth Rich would later be murdered on the streets of Washington, D.C. not far from where he worked for the DNC. And Murray took that thumb drive to WikiLeaks. This is not a far-fetched chain of events according to Ed Butowsky who is suing a number of parties: http://lawflog.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/2019.07.15-Amended-complaint-stamped.pdf > Michael Gottlieb, Meryl Governski, Boies Schiller Flexner LLP, Brad Bauman, The > Pastorum Group, Leonard A. Gail, Eli J. Kay-Oliphant, Suyash Agrawal, Massey & > Gail LLP, Gregory Y. Porter, Michael L. Murphy, Bailey & Glasser LLP, Turner > Broadcasting System, Inc., Anderson Cooper, Gary Tuchman, Oliver Darcy, Tom Kludt, > The New York Times Company, Alan Feuer, Vox Media, Inc., and Jane Coaston claiming that the negative press about Seth Rich's involvement ('Seth Rich is not involved, Russia did it!') hurt Butowsky's business. Butowsky's lawyer is Ty Clevenger who has written about this case on his blog at http://lawflog.com/?p=2210 . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGac4K4KuPo -- RT's report on Butowsky's lawsuit. https://www.blackagendareport.com/russiagate-fanatic-michael-isikoffs-curious-project -- Black Agenda Report article which also talks about a project Russiagate-supporter Michael Isikoff started trying to distract people from paying attention to any news which says Seth Rich had anything to do with the DNC emails, or that those emails were leaked and not illicitly obtained by Russians via the Internet. Garrison transcribed and summarized some part of that conversation between Hersh and Butowsky: > Seymour Hersh: I'll tell you what I know. What I know comes off an FBI report. > Don?t ask me how. You can figure out I?ve been around long enough. This is > according to the FBI report. What they find is he [Rich] makes con[tact]. First of > all, you have to know, you have to know some basic facts. One of the basic facts, > is there?s no DNC or Podesta email that exists beyond May 22nd, May 21st, 22nd, > the last emails from either one of those groups. And so what the report says is > that sometime in late spring?we're talking about June, you know, summer and June > 21st, late spring would be after, I presume . . . I don't know. I just say late > spring, early summer, he [Rich] makes contact with Wikileaks. That's in his > computer and he makes contact. They [FBI investigators] found what he had done. He > had submitted a series of documents, of emails, some juicy emails from the DNC. He > offered a sample, an extensive sample?y?know I'm sure dozens of email?and said, ?I > want money.? > > Later Wikileaks did get the password. He had a Dropbox, a protected Dropbox, which > isn?t hard to do. I mean you don't have to be a wizard, IT wizard. Y?know he was > certainly not a dumb kid, and they got access to the Dropbox. He [Rich] also, and > this is also in the FBI report, he?d also let people know with whom he was > dealing, and I don?t know how he dealt?I?ll tell you about Wikileaks in a second. > I don?t know how he dealt with Wikileaks?the mechanism. But he also, the word was > passed, according to the FBI report, ?I also shared this box with a couple of > friends, so if anything happens to me, you?re not, it?s not going to solve your > [their?] problem.? OK? I don?t know what that means, I don?t know what he was ? > anyway, but Wikileaks got access and before he was killed. > > Ed Butowsky: But what you?re saying is that he uploaded stuff into the Wikileaks > dropbox and they pulled it down and that?s where the Podesta and DNC emails came > from. > > Seymour Hersh: It doesn?t preclude Russians also hacking them! I just don?t think > that. Y?know it?s always Occam's Razor. Wikileaks got ?em. > > Ed Butowsky: Yeah, I know. I understand. But I wanta stay focused on one thing > just for a moment. You saw the FBI report? > > Seymour Hersh: No. I have somebody on the inside. Y?know I?ve been around a long > time and I write a lot of stuff. I have somebody on the inside who will go and > read a file for me. And I know this person is unbelievably accurate and careful. > He?s a very high-level guy and he?ll do a favor. > > Ed Butowsky: And is there any way we can get our hands on the report? > > Hersh responded that he could not risk exposing his high-level FBI source by > sharing a document even if he could get one. He then asked Butowsky to tell him > what he knew: > > Seymour Hersh: My pen is down. I?m not quoting you about anything. I know that. > What do you know? > > Ed Butowsky: I know that Julian Assange told a friend of mine who met with him > that he got the emails from Seth Rich. > > Seymour Hersh: Whoa! > > Ed Butowsky: And they?re very personal friends. > > Hersh said that he had been working on the story since August 2016 because he > foresaw that Russia would be blamed for the email leaks. > > Seymour Hersh: I?ve been doing this story since the late summer because I smelled > it, I smelled it in August. OK? That the fallback was going to be Russia. From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon Apr 13 13:00:13 2020 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 06:00:13 -0700 Subject: [Peace] Max and Ben are spot on, in relation to so many things in addition to Bernie Message-ID: https://moderaterebels.com/bernie-sanders-campaign-failure-part-1/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbn at forestfield.org Mon Apr 13 23:27:51 2020 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 18:27:51 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Mark Blyth interviews on Jimmy Dore are well worth watching Message-ID: <8ba90a7f-8140-6201-5032-ba70785e9400@forestfield.org> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWDx3nKm_Gc -- Will the economy ever be the same again? No, says Mark Blyth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STZiEfayDf8 -- On bailing out the airlines. and Aaron Mate is live now in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dETLYyxgP5g (archived copy is coming soon, no doubt). -J From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue Apr 14 00:14:23 2020 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 17:14:23 -0700 Subject: [Peace] Mark Blyth interviews on Jimmy Dore are well worth watching In-Reply-To: <8ba90a7f-8140-6201-5032-ba70785e9400@forestfield.org> References: <8ba90a7f-8140-6201-5032-ba70785e9400@forestfield.org> Message-ID: My thoughts on one of the links: Aaron is a great journalist and interviewer, but Jimmy is a better analyst. Aaron?s suggestion of going with the lesser evil and pushing to the left is very disappointing given we don?t have time for that nonsense, people are dying without jobs, without housing, without healthcare, the last thing we need is another administration subject to the capitalist ruling elites. The Intercept maybe good on domestic issues, but they lack credibility on foreign policy, which is critical, is one of the reasons I don?t pay much attention to them anymore. > On Apr 13, 2020, at 16:27, J.B. Nicholson via Peace wrote: > > > and Aaron Mate is live now in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dETLYyxgP5g (archived copy is coming soon, no doubt). > > -J > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue Apr 14 00:46:01 2020 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 17:46:01 -0700 Subject: [Peace] Film: "Out of the Shadows" Message-ID: A must watch, questions abound as to how long it will be allowed to remain on Utube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY8Nfzcn1qQ&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0Vu3Z5v424AvcVlm24QPpF9ExlOTYKcJdQU4r4jE7fYVnOmIwTvhTs7aE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Estabrook) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 14:38:03 -0500 Subject: [Peace] An old friend Message-ID: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s07-OaAA2M8&feature=share From jbw292002 at gmail.com Tue Apr 14 22:14:57 2020 From: jbw292002 at gmail.com (John W.) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 17:14:57 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Mark Blyth interviews on Jimmy Dore are well worth watching In-Reply-To: References: <8ba90a7f-8140-6201-5032-ba70785e9400@forestfield.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 7:15 PM Karen Aram via Peace < peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: My thoughts on one of the links: > > Aaron is a great journalist and interviewer, but Jimmy is a better > analyst. > > Aaron?s suggestion of going with the lesser evil and pushing to the left > is very disappointing given we don?t have time for that nonsense, people > are dying without jobs, without housing, without healthcare, the last thing > we need is another administration subject to the capitalist ruling elites. So four more years of tRump then, Karen? Or is now the time for that violent, bloody revolution we've been dreaming of our whole lives? > The Intercept maybe good on domestic issues, but they lack credibility on > foreign policy, which is critical, is one of the reasons I don?t pay much > attention to them anymore. > > > > On Apr 13, 2020, at 16:27, J.B. Nicholson via Peace < > peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > > > > > > and Aaron Mate is live now in > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dETLYyxgP5g (archived copy is coming > soon, no doubt). > > > > -J > > _______________________________________________ > > Peace mailing list > > Peace at lists.chambana.net > > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue Apr 14 23:08:16 2020 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:08:16 -0700 Subject: [Peace] Mark Blyth interviews on Jimmy Dore are well worth watching In-Reply-To: References: <8ba90a7f-8140-6201-5032-ba70785e9400@forestfield.org> Message-ID: John If one only looks at the surface and assumes we can push Biden to do the right thing, if we continue to bend the knee to power, taking whatever crumbs of cake the ruling elites throw at us, it?s going to be very bloody. Wait until the economy crashes, crime escalates, gangs roam the streets as starving people become really angry. People are already dying in record numbers from the pandemic and our government owned by corporate capitalists. Why do you think FDR gave us the New Deal, because he?s a nice guy? He did it to save capitalism as he feared a revolution, due to the many people, workers, socialists etc. in the streets protesting, striking, sit downs etc. Why did Johnson de-escalate the war in Vietnam 1968? Because the many people in the streets was an embarrassment internationally, for the ruling elites, and Johnson?s advisors. The revolt by the soldiers and veterans was the final step. Gandi utilized non violence and it was effective at driving out the British, but the people did take action, sit ins, strikes, blocking traffic, rail transport, putting their lives on the line. The civil rights movement, led by MLK, and started years before by CORE and others with sit-ins, is an example of that which works, with nonviolence. Why did Nixon end the draft, and give us the EPA? He feared the people in the streets, he feared a revolution. People don?t have healthcare, jobs, or a living wage, and the Democrat Party isn?t going to give us anything more than what Obama did, because the insurance cos. and pharma cos. own our government, along with our weapons manufacturers, oil cos. etc. As awful as Trump is, he isn?t the disease he is a symptom of the disease of rot and decay that is our system. Unless we have system change the decline will continue. Global warming and nuclear war are the two major threats facing us and the Democrat Party is doing nothing about it, or providing a veneer and watered down versions of what we need. We get a Democrat in power and the liberals all go to sleep, they only wake up when there is a Republican in power. Even then I have to ask what are they doing about anything, other than here in our own little community. We can put on our pink hats and get on buses to DC anytime the DNC provides us, and we feel insulted, or disrespected. Never mind, the people we have slaughtered in our eight wars in less than twenty years, they don?t count, they aren?t white and we only care about the people of color in our own neighborhood. We will only have system change when the people insist upon it by getting off the treadmill of insanity, expecting our corrupt electoral system to put in place another individual, who might be kinder to us, if we ask nicely. The Republican and Democrat Party?s both represent the ruling class and the working class ain?t apart of it. Violence occurs every day when our militarized police shoot us down in the streets, our incarceration of huge numbers of people, with our prison system of for profit, prevents many of the poor from rising up. And, our most profitable business next to financial services is weapons of destruction and war which will be worse, much worse under Biden, or anyone of the current system for that matter. The problem today, is we lack a strong labor movement, we have a lot of people who are unemployed thus lacking power. Which is why its up to the many Americans who are politically active to focus on what needs to be done, and its not focusing on elections. Occupy had the right idea, as to focus, and if they had been better organized, had stronger cohesive leadership, and a plan, they might not have given up so easily when the police dispersed them in Zukotti park. > On Apr 14, 2020, at 15:14, John W. wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 7:15 PM Karen Aram via Peace > wrote: > > My thoughts on one of the links: > > Aaron is a great journalist and interviewer, but Jimmy is a better analyst. > > Aaron?s suggestion of going with the lesser evil and pushing to the left is very disappointing given we don?t have time for that nonsense, people are dying without jobs, without housing, without healthcare, the last thing we need is another administration subject to the capitalist ruling elites. > > > So four more years of tRump then, Karen? Or is now the time for that violent, bloody revolution we've been dreaming of our whole lives? > > > > The Intercept maybe good on domestic issues, but they lack credibility on foreign policy, which is critical, is one of the reasons I don?t pay much attention to them anymore. > > > > On Apr 13, 2020, at 16:27, J.B. Nicholson via Peace > wrote: > > > > > > and Aaron Mate is live now in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dETLYyxgP5g (archived copy is coming soon, no doubt). > > > > -J > > _______________________________________________ > > Peace mailing list > > Peace at lists.chambana.net > > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbw292002 at gmail.com Tue Apr 14 23:47:36 2020 From: jbw292002 at gmail.com (John W.) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 18:47:36 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Mark Blyth interviews on Jimmy Dore are well worth watching In-Reply-To: References: <8ba90a7f-8140-6201-5032-ba70785e9400@forestfield.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 6:08 PM Karen Aram wrote: John > > If one only looks at the surface and assumes we can push Biden to do the > right thing, if we continue to bend the knee to power, taking whatever > crumbs of cake the ruling elites throw at us, it?s going to be very bloody. > Wait until the economy crashes, crime escalates, gangs roam the streets as > starving people become really angry. People are already dying in record > numbers from the pandemic and our government owned by corporate > capitalists. > > Why do you think FDR gave us the New Deal, because he?s a nice guy? He > did it to save capitalism as he feared a revolution, due to the many > people, workers, socialists etc. in the streets protesting, striking, sit > downs etc. > Well, I think he was probably a pretty nice guy, a person of genuine integrity, as was his wife. And yes, they were desperate times which called for desperate measures. Intelligent desperate measures. > Why did Johnson de-escalate the war in Vietnam 1968? Because the many > people in the streets was an embarrassment internationally, for the ruling > elites, and Johnson?s advisors. The revolt by the soldiers and veterans was > the final step. > > Gandi utilized non violence and it was effective at driving out the > British, but the people did take action, sit ins, strikes, blocking > traffic, rail transport, putting their lives on the line. > > The civil rights movement, led by MLK, and started years before by CORE > and others with sit-ins, is an example of that which works, with > nonviolence. > Yes. And there are those who believe that the implied violence of Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael, the Black Panthers, and others played a role also. > Why did Nixon end the draft, and give us the EPA? He feared the people in > the streets, he feared a revolution. > > People don?t have healthcare, jobs, or a living wage, and the Democrat > Party isn?t going to give us anything more than what Obama did, because the > insurance cos. and pharma cos. own our government, along with our weapons > manufacturers, oil cos. etc. > More than they did in the FDR era? > As awful as Trump is, he isn?t the disease he is a symptom of the disease > of rot and decay that is our system. > That is true. He is a logical culmination of the disease that started at least with Reagan. So we need a cure for the disease. And that's what we need to be discussing. I'm not sure we quite agree on what the disease is, let alone how to eradicate it, but we would agree on most of the symptoms. But even that is just you and me and a few others. Many of our fellow citizens are still in elementary school, politically and philosophically. > Unless we have system change the decline will continue. Global warming and > nuclear war are the two major threats facing us and the Democrat Party is > doing nothing about it, or providing a veneer and watered down versions of > what we need. > Sadly, that's true. > We get a Democrat in power and the liberals all go to sleep, they only > wake up when there is a Republican in power. Even then I have to ask what > are they doing about anything, other than here in our own little community. > We can put on our pink hats and get on buses to DC anytime the DNC provides > us, and we feel insulted, or disrespected. Never mind, the people we have > slaughtered in our eight wars in less than twenty years, they don?t count, > they aren?t white and we only care about the people of color in our own > neighborhood. > > We will only have system change when the people insist upon it by getting > off the treadmill of insanity, expecting our corrupt electoral system to > put in place another individual, who might be kinder to us, if we ask > nicely. The Republican and Democrat Party?s both represent the ruling class > and the working class ain?t a part of it. > Again, the working class WAS a part of the equation with FDR, and with maybe a handful of other leaders. But overall, the poor are never, never, never on this earth going to be a major consideration for long. Hell, all most of them want to do is become the rich so that THEY can run things for their own advantage. > Violence occurs every day when our militarized police shoot us down in the > streets, our incarceration of huge numbers of people, with our prison > system of for profit, prevents many of the poor from rising up. And, our > most profitable business next to financial services is weapons of > destruction and war which will be worse, much worse under Biden, or anyone > of the current system for that matter. > > The problem today, is we lack a strong labor movement, we have a lot of > people who are unemployed thus lacking power. Which is why its up to the > many Americans who are politically active to focus on what needs to be > done, and its not focusing on elections. > A strong labor movement again would certainly be nice. But that's only one factor. And when we DID have a strong labor movement, what were most of the rank and file union members doing? Certainly not advocating for radical change. They were not Dave Johnsons. Quite the contrary. They were luxuriating in their nice new mortgaged homes, driving their shiny cars, watching their color TV, consuming way too much useless crap while enjoying their newly-possible middle class lifestyle. No revolutionaries they! I know this intimately. I was there. I was one of them. > Occupy had the right idea, as to focus, and if they had been better > organized, had stronger cohesive leadership, and a plan, they might not > have given up so easily when the police dispersed them in Zukotti park. > Well, that's what I've been waiting for my entire life - strong cohesive leadership, good organization, and a plan. Not seeing it, either inside or outside the Democratic party. Interestingly enough, the Koch-funded Tea Party Republicans HAVE had strong cohesive leadership, good organization, and a long-range plan for the past 40 years. They've worked the plan ruthlessly, but at the cost of their souls. Perhaps we should learn from them? John > On Apr 14, 2020, at 15:14, John W. wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 7:15 PM Karen Aram via Peace < > peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > > My thoughts on one of the links: >> >> Aaron is a great journalist and interviewer, but Jimmy is a better >> analyst. >> >> Aaron?s suggestion of going with the lesser evil and pushing to the left >> is very disappointing given we don?t have time for that nonsense, people >> are dying without jobs, without housing, without healthcare, the last thing >> we need is another administration subject to the capitalist ruling elites. > > > > So four more years of tRump then, Karen? Or is now the time for that > violent, bloody revolution we've been dreaming of our whole lives? > > > > >> The Intercept maybe good on domestic issues, but they lack credibility on >> foreign policy, which is critical, is one of the reasons I don?t pay much >> attention to them anymore. >> >> >> > On Apr 13, 2020, at 16:27, J.B. Nicholson via Peace < >> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: >> > >> > >> > and Aaron Mate is live now in >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dETLYyxgP5g (archived copy is coming >> soon, no doubt). >> > >> > -J >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Peace mailing list >> > Peace at lists.chambana.net >> > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue Apr 14 23:53:35 2020 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:53:35 -0700 Subject: [Peace] Mark Blyth interviews on Jimmy Dore are well worth watching In-Reply-To: References: <8ba90a7f-8140-6201-5032-ba70785e9400@forestfield.org> Message-ID: Your statement: > "Yes. And there are those who believe that the implied violence of Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael, the Black Panthers, and others played a role also.? is correct, absolutely. > On Apr 14, 2020, at 16:47, John W. wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 6:08 PM Karen Aram > wrote: > > John > > If one only looks at the surface and assumes we can push Biden to do the right thing, if we continue to bend the knee to power, taking whatever crumbs of cake the ruling elites throw at us, it?s going to be very bloody. Wait until the economy crashes, crime escalates, gangs roam the streets as starving people become really angry. People are already dying in record numbers from the pandemic and our government owned by corporate capitalists. > > Why do you think FDR gave us the New Deal, because he?s a nice guy? He did it to save capitalism as he feared a revolution, due to the many people, workers, socialists etc. in the streets protesting, striking, sit downs etc. > > Well, I think he was probably a pretty nice guy, a person of genuine integrity, as was his wife. And yes, they were desperate times which called for desperate measures. Intelligent desperate measures. > > > Why did Johnson de-escalate the war in Vietnam 1968? Because the many people in the streets was an embarrassment internationally, for the ruling elites, and Johnson?s advisors. The revolt by the soldiers and veterans was the final step. > > Gandi utilized non violence and it was effective at driving out the British, but the people did take action, sit ins, strikes, blocking traffic, rail transport, putting their lives on the line. > > The civil rights movement, led by MLK, and started years before by CORE and others with sit-ins, is an example of that which works, with nonviolence. > > Yes. And there are those who believe that the implied violence of Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael, the Black Panthers, and others played a role also. > > > Why did Nixon end the draft, and give us the EPA? He feared the people in the streets, he feared a revolution. > > People don?t have healthcare, jobs, or a living wage, and the Democrat Party isn?t going to give us anything more than what Obama did, because the insurance cos. and pharma cos. own our government, along with our weapons manufacturers, oil cos. etc. > > More than they did in the FDR era? > > > As awful as Trump is, he isn?t the disease he is a symptom of the disease of rot and decay that is our system. > > That is true. He is a logical culmination of the disease that started at least with Reagan. So we need a cure for the disease. And that's what we need to be discussing. I'm not sure we quite agree on what the disease is, let alone how to eradicate it, but we would agree on most of the symptoms. But even that is just you and me and a few others. Many of our fellow citizens are still in elementary school, politically and philosophically. > > > Unless we have system change the decline will continue. Global warming and nuclear war are the two major threats facing us and the Democrat Party is doing nothing about it, or providing a veneer and watered down versions of what we need. > > Sadly, that's true. > > > We get a Democrat in power and the liberals all go to sleep, they only wake up when there is a Republican in power. Even then I have to ask what are they doing about anything, other than here in our own little community. We can put on our pink hats and get on buses to DC anytime the DNC provides us, and we feel insulted, or disrespected. Never mind, the people we have slaughtered in our eight wars in less than twenty years, they don?t count, they aren?t white and we only care about the people of color in our own neighborhood. > > We will only have system change when the people insist upon it by getting off the treadmill of insanity, expecting our corrupt electoral system to put in place another individual, who might be kinder to us, if we ask nicely. The Republican and Democrat Party?s both represent the ruling class and the working class ain?t a part of it. > > Again, the working class WAS a part of the equation with FDR, and with maybe a handful of other leaders. But overall, the poor are never, never, never on this earth going to be a major consideration for long. Hell, all most of them want to do is become the rich so that THEY can run things for their own advantage. > > > Violence occurs every day when our militarized police shoot us down in the streets, our incarceration of huge numbers of people, with our prison system of for profit, prevents many of the poor from rising up. And, our most profitable business next to financial services is weapons of destruction and war which will be worse, much worse under Biden, or anyone of the current system for that matter. > > The problem today, is we lack a strong labor movement, we have a lot of people who are unemployed thus lacking power. Which is why its up to the many Americans who are politically active to focus on what needs to be done, and its not focusing on elections. > > A strong labor movement again would certainly be nice. But that's only one factor. And when we DID have a strong labor movement, what were most of the rank and file union members doing? Certainly not advocating for radical change. They were not Dave Johnsons. Quite the contrary. They were luxuriating in their nice new mortgaged homes, driving their shiny cars, watching their color TV, consuming way too much useless crap while enjoying their newly-possible middle class lifestyle. No revolutionaries they! I know this intimately. I was there. I was one of them. > > > Occupy had the right idea, as to focus, and if they had been better organized, had stronger cohesive leadership, and a plan, they might not have given up so easily when the police dispersed them in Zukotti park. > > Well, that's what I've been waiting for my entire life - strong cohesive leadership, good organization, and a plan. Not seeing it, either inside or outside the Democratic party. > > Interestingly enough, the Koch-funded Tea Party Republicans HAVE had strong cohesive leadership, good organization, and a long-range plan for the past 40 years. They've worked the plan ruthlessly, but at the cost of their souls. Perhaps we should learn from them? > > John > > > >> On Apr 14, 2020, at 15:14, John W. > wrote: >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 7:15 PM Karen Aram via Peace > wrote: >> >> My thoughts on one of the links: >> >> Aaron is a great journalist and interviewer, but Jimmy is a better analyst. >> >> Aaron?s suggestion of going with the lesser evil and pushing to the left is very disappointing given we don?t have time for that nonsense, people are dying without jobs, without housing, without healthcare, the last thing we need is another administration subject to the capitalist ruling elites. >> >> >> So four more years of tRump then, Karen? Or is now the time for that violent, bloody revolution we've been dreaming of our whole lives? >> >> >> >> The Intercept maybe good on domestic issues, but they lack credibility on foreign policy, which is critical, is one of the reasons I don?t pay much attention to them anymore. >> >> >> > On Apr 13, 2020, at 16:27, J.B. Nicholson via Peace > wrote: >> > >> > >> > and Aaron Mate is live now in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dETLYyxgP5g (archived copy is coming soon, no doubt). >> > >> > -J >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Peace mailing list >> > Peace at lists.chambana.net >> > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at newsfromneptune.com Wed Apr 15 00:34:20 2020 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 19:34:20 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Fwd: 10 felony charges for exposing Planned Parenthood References: <1414238956.24700824.1586905898518.JavaMail.cloud@mta0204.messagegears.net> Message-ID: <570588BC-9D8E-485F-B3EE-19E239B604E7@newsfromneptune.com> > Begin forwarded message: > > From: The Babylon Bee > Subject: 10 felony charges for exposing Planned Parenthood > Date: April 14, 2020 at 6:11:38 PM CDT > To: carl at newsfromneptune.com > Reply-To: The Babylon Bee > > > Please read the message below from our paid sponsor. 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And another nasty civil case brought by a baby body parts broker, Stem Express, in Los Angeles was dismissed. > > Right now we?re defending David in three other active cases. > > In one federal civil lawsuit, a jury just found David liable and awarded Planned Parenthood $1.4 million in damages on the RICO (racketeering) charges, $870,000 in punitive damages and the judge will presumably award millions more in attorneys? fees on top of that. > > In another lawsuit filed by the National Abortion Federation, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals recently issued a ruling against us, refusing to lift the preliminary ?gag order? injunction prohibiting David from releasing more of his videos exposing the abortion giant's evil. > > David also faces another civil lawsuit filed by anonymous Planned Parenthood personnel in federal court in Seattle, Washington. 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URL: From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net Wed Apr 15 17:21:19 2020 From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 12:21:19 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Mark Blyth interviews on Jimmy Dore are well worth watching In-Reply-To: References: <8ba90a7f-8140-6201-5032-ba70785e9400@forestfield.org> Message-ID: <008f01d6134a$4799ae90$d6cd0bb0$@comcast.net> John, Your statement and analysis is absolutely FANTASTIC ! I am sorry to say that a lot of the negative you detail is true, but accurate nevertheless. You should post this on Facebook. Yours in admiration David Johnson From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Karen Aram via Peace Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 6:54 PM To: John W. Cc: Peace Discuss; J.B. Nicholson; Peace Subject: Re: [Peace] Mark Blyth interviews on Jimmy Dore are well worth watching Your statement: "Yes. And there are those who believe that the implied violence of Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael, the Black Panthers, and others played a role also.? is correct, absolutely. On Apr 14, 2020, at 16:47, John W. wrote: On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 6:08 PM Karen Aram wrote: John If one only looks at the surface and assumes we can push Biden to do the right thing, if we continue to bend the knee to power, taking whatever crumbs of cake the ruling elites throw at us, it?s going to be very bloody. Wait until the economy crashes, crime escalates, gangs roam the streets as starving people become really angry. People are already dying in record numbers from the pandemic and our government owned by corporate capitalists. Why do you think FDR gave us the New Deal, because he?s a nice guy? He did it to save capitalism as he feared a revolution, due to the many people, workers, socialists etc. in the streets protesting, striking, sit downs etc. Well, I think he was probably a pretty nice guy, a person of genuine integrity, as was his wife. And yes, they were desperate times which called for desperate measures. Intelligent desperate measures. Why did Johnson de-escalate the war in Vietnam 1968? Because the many people in the streets was an embarrassment internationally, for the ruling elites, and Johnson?s advisors. The revolt by the soldiers and veterans was the final step. Gandi utilized non violence and it was effective at driving out the British, but the people did take action, sit ins, strikes, blocking traffic, rail transport, putting their lives on the line. The civil rights movement, led by MLK, and started years before by CORE and others with sit-ins, is an example of that which works, with nonviolence. Yes. And there are those who believe that the implied violence of Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael, the Black Panthers, and others played a role also. Why did Nixon end the draft, and give us the EPA? He feared the people in the streets, he feared a revolution. People don?t have healthcare, jobs, or a living wage, and the Democrat Party isn?t going to give us anything more than what Obama did, because the insurance cos. and pharma cos. own our government, along with our weapons manufacturers, oil cos. etc. More than they did in the FDR era? As awful as Trump is, he isn?t the disease he is a symptom of the disease of rot and decay that is our system. That is true. He is a logical culmination of the disease that started at least with Reagan. So we need a cure for the disease. And that's what we need to be discussing. I'm not sure we quite agree on what the disease is, let alone how to eradicate it, but we would agree on most of the symptoms. But even that is just you and me and a few others. Many of our fellow citizens are still in elementary school, politically and philosophically. Unless we have system change the decline will continue. Global warming and nuclear war are the two major threats facing us and the Democrat Party is doing nothing about it, or providing a veneer and watered down versions of what we need. Sadly, that's true. We get a Democrat in power and the liberals all go to sleep, they only wake up when there is a Republican in power. Even then I have to ask what are they doing about anything, other than here in our own little community. We can put on our pink hats and get on buses to DC anytime the DNC provides us, and we feel insulted, or disrespected. Never mind, the people we have slaughtered in our eight wars in less than twenty years, they don?t count, they aren?t white and we only care about the people of color in our own neighborhood. We will only have system change when the people insist upon it by getting off the treadmill of insanity, expecting our corrupt electoral system to put in place another individual, who might be kinder to us, if we ask nicely. The Republican and Democrat Party?s both represent the ruling class and the working class ain?t a part of it. Again, the working class WAS a part of the equation with FDR, and with maybe a handful of other leaders. But overall, the poor are never, never, never on this earth going to be a major consideration for long. Hell, all most of them want to do is become the rich so that THEY can run things for their own advantage. Violence occurs every day when our militarized police shoot us down in the streets, our incarceration of huge numbers of people, with our prison system of for profit, prevents many of the poor from rising up. And, our most profitable business next to financial services is weapons of destruction and war which will be worse, much worse under Biden, or anyone of the current system for that matter. The problem today, is we lack a strong labor movement, we have a lot of people who are unemployed thus lacking power. Which is why its up to the many Americans who are politically active to focus on what needs to be done, and its not focusing on elections. A strong labor movement again would certainly be nice. But that's only one factor. And when we DID have a strong labor movement, what were most of the rank and file union members doing? Certainly not advocating for radical change. They were not Dave Johnsons. Quite the contrary. They were luxuriating in their nice new mortgaged homes, driving their shiny cars, watching their color TV, consuming way too much useless crap while enjoying their newly-possible middle class lifestyle. No revolutionaries they! I know this intimately. I was there. I was one of them. Occupy had the right idea, as to focus, and if they had been better organized, had stronger cohesive leadership, and a plan, they might not have given up so easily when the police dispersed them in Zukotti park. Well, that's what I've been waiting for my entire life - strong cohesive leadership, good organization, and a plan. Not seeing it, either inside or outside the Democratic party. Interestingly enough, the Koch-funded Tea Party Republicans HAVE had strong cohesive leadership, good organization, and a long-range plan for the past 40 years. They've worked the plan ruthlessly, but at the cost of their souls. Perhaps we should learn from them? John On Apr 14, 2020, at 15:14, John W. wrote: On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 7:15 PM Karen Aram via Peace wrote: My thoughts on one of the links: Aaron is a great journalist and interviewer, but Jimmy is a better analyst. Aaron?s suggestion of going with the lesser evil and pushing to the left is very disappointing given we don?t have time for that nonsense, people are dying without jobs, without housing, without healthcare, the last thing we need is another administration subject to the capitalist ruling elites. So four more years of tRump then, Karen? Or is now the time for that violent, bloody revolution we've been dreaming of our whole lives? The Intercept maybe good on domestic issues, but they lack credibility on foreign policy, which is critical, is one of the reasons I don?t pay much attention to them anymore. > On Apr 13, 2020, at 16:27, J.B. Nicholson via Peace wrote: > > > and Aaron Mate is live now in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dETLYyxgP5g (archived copy is coming soon, no doubt). > > -J > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Apr 15 19:08:07 2020 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 12:08:07 -0700 Subject: [Peace] Mark Blyth interviews on Jimmy Dore are well worth watching In-Reply-To: <008f01d6134a$4799ae90$d6cd0bb0$@comcast.net> References: <8ba90a7f-8140-6201-5032-ba70785e9400@forestfield.org> <008f01d6134a$4799ae90$d6cd0bb0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: David, you maybe referring to my statement below in reference to John?s snarky comment: >>> >>> So four more years of tRump then, Karen? Or is now the time for that violent, bloody revolution we?ve been dreaming of our whole lives? If one only looks at the surface and assumes we can push Biden to do the right thing, if we continue to bend the knee to power, taking whatever crumbs of cake the ruling elites throw at us, it?s going to be very bloody. Wait until the economy crashes, crime escalates, gangs roam the streets as starving people become really angry. People are already dying in record numbers from the pandemic and our government owned by corporate capitalists. Why do you think FDR gave us the New Deal, because he?s a nice guy? He did it to save capitalism as he feared a revolution, due to the many people, workers, socialists etc. in the streets protesting, striking, sit downs etc. Why did Johnson de-escalate the war in Vietnam 1968? Because the many people in the streets was an embarrassment internationally, for the ruling elites, and Johnson?s advisors. The revolt by the soldiers and veterans was the final step. Gandi utilized non violence and it was effective at driving out the British, but the people did take action, sit ins, strikes, blocking traffic, rail transport, putting their lives on the line. The civil rights movement, led by MLK, and started years before by CORE and others with sit-ins, is an example of that which works, with nonviolence. Why did Nixon end the draft, and give us the EPA? He feared the people in the streets, he feared a revolution. People don?t have healthcare, jobs, or a living wage, and the Democrat Party isn?t going to give us anything more than what Obama did, because the insurance cos. and pharma cos. own our government, along with our weapons manufacturers, oil cos. etc. As awful as Trump is, he isn?t the disease he is a symptom of the disease of rot and decay that is our system. Unless we have system change the decline will continue. Global warming and nuclear war are the two major threats facing us and the Democrat Party is doing nothing about it, or providing a veneer and watered down versions of what we need. We get a Democrat in power and the liberals all go to sleep, they only wake up when there is a Republican in power. Even then I have to ask what are they doing about anything, other than here in our own little community. We can put on our pink hats and get on buses to DC anytime the DNC provides us, and we feel insulted, or disrespected. Never mind, the people we have slaughtered in our eight wars in less than twenty years, they don?t count, they aren?t white and we only care about the people of color in our own neighborhood. We will only have system change when the people insist upon it by getting off the treadmill of insanity, expecting our corrupt electoral system to put in place another individual, who might be kinder to us, if we ask nicely. The Republican and Democrat Party?s both represent the ruling class and the working class ain?t apart of it. Violence occurs every day when our militarized police shoot us down in the streets, our incarceration of huge numbers of people, with our prison system of for profit, prevents many of the poor from rising up. And, our most profitable business next to financial services is weapons of destruction and war which will be worse, much worse under Biden, or anyone of the current system for that matter. The problem today, is we lack a strong labor movement, we have a lot of people who are unemployed thus lacking power. Which is why its up to the many Americans who are politically active to focus on what needs to be done, and its not focusing on elections. Occupy had the right idea, as to focus, and if they had been better organized, had stronger cohesive leadership, and a plan, they might not have given up so easily when the police dispersed them in Zukotti park. Karen Aram > On Apr 15, 2020, at 10:21, David Johnson wrote: > > John, > > Your statement and analysis is absolutely FANTASTIC ! > > I am sorry to say that a lot of the negative you detail is true, but accurate nevertheless. > > You should post this on Facebook. > > Yours in admiration > > David Johnson > > From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Karen Aram via Peace > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 6:54 PM > To: John W. > Cc: Peace Discuss; J.B. Nicholson; Peace > Subject: Re: [Peace] Mark Blyth interviews on Jimmy Dore are well worth watching > > > Your statement: > > "Yes. And there are those who believe that the implied violence of Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael, the Black Panthers, and others played a role also.? > is correct, absolutely. > > > > > On Apr 14, 2020, at 16:47, John W. > wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 6:08 PM Karen Aram > wrote: > >> John >> >> If one only looks at the surface and assumes we can push Biden to do the right thing, if we continue to bend the knee to power, taking whatever crumbs of cake the ruling elites throw at us, it?s going to be very bloody. Wait until the economy crashes, crime escalates, gangs roam the streets as starving people become really angry. People are already dying in record numbers from the pandemic and our government owned by corporate capitalists. >> >> Why do you think FDR gave us the New Deal, because he?s a nice guy? He did it to save capitalism as he feared a revolution, due to the many people, workers, socialists etc. in the streets protesting, striking, sit downs etc. > > Well, I think he was probably a pretty nice guy, a person of genuine integrity, as was his wife. And yes, they were desperate times which called for desperate measures. Intelligent desperate measures. > > >> Why did Johnson de-escalate the war in Vietnam 1968? Because the many people in the streets was an embarrassment internationally, for the ruling elites, and Johnson?s advisors. The revolt by the soldiers and veterans was the final step. >> >> Gandi utilized non violence and it was effective at driving out the British, but the people did take action, sit ins, strikes, blocking traffic, rail transport, putting their lives on the line. >> >> The civil rights movement, led by MLK, and started years before by CORE and others with sit-ins, is an example of that which works, with nonviolence. > > Yes. And there are those who believe that the implied violence of Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael, the Black Panthers, and others played a role also. > > >> Why did Nixon end the draft, and give us the EPA? He feared the people in the streets, he feared a revolution. >> >> People don?t have healthcare, jobs, or a living wage, and the Democrat Party isn?t going to give us anything more than what Obama did, because the insurance cos. and pharma cos. own our government, along with our weapons manufacturers, oil cos. etc. > > More than they did in the FDR era? > > > > > > >>> >>> >>> So four more years of tRump then, Karen? Or is now the time for that violent, bloody revolution we've been dreaming of our whole lives? >>> >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbn at forestfield.org Sun Apr 19 06:02:15 2020 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 01:02:15 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Joe Biden: "I have no empathy [for the younger generation]. Give me a break." Message-ID: From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdXBrhV4B-I Joe Biden from an on-stage interview with Patt Morrison of the LA Times. > Joe Biden: I only had two political heroes in my whole life. And this is not new, > I mean I've said this since 1972: Dr. King and Robert Kennedy. And up to that > point there was a war raging, there was a a bitter fight over even whether we > should talk about the environment, women were still viewed as second-class > citizens and not prepared to have significant jobs and thought that, and we were > told the people didn't talk to one another over the war. And we were told: drop > out, go out to Haight-Ashbury, get engaged; you know shortly after I graduated '68 > Kent State -- 17 kids shot dead. And so the younger generation now tells me how > tough things are. Give me a break. No no -- I have no empathy for it. Give me a > break. Because here's the deal guys: we decided we were going to change the world > and we did. We did. We finished the civil rights movement to the first stage. The > women's room had came into being. So my message is: get involved... Reactions include: Jimmy Dore & co. from about a year ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdmeV0GJ-oE Kyle Kulinsky (Secular Talk) from 11 months ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMyvGRQmRCM The Humanist Report from 2 years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmdHDWVZEVM The Rational National from 2 years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GVKOtRsiX8 and there are plenty of others. From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Apr 19 15:26:29 2020 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 08:26:29 -0700 Subject: [Peace] On Contact: The End of Public Education as we know it. Message-ID: Chris Hedges interviews Prof. Rooks: https://www.rt.com/shows/on-contact/486200-rooks-public-education-america/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at newsfromneptune.com Sun Apr 19 16:10:11 2020 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 11:10:11 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Neoliberalism Message-ID: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/15/neoliberalism-ideology-problem-george-monbiot From carl at newsfromneptune.com Sun Apr 19 16:41:20 2020 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 11:41:20 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Shot heard round the world? Message-ID: The anniversary of the battles of Lexington and Concord (April 19, 1775) should remind us to ask how much the 'War of Independence' was a defense of slavery against the presumed plans of the British government to abolish it - in part because the slave-based economies of the American colonies were out-producing the home country. ### From davidgreen50 at gmail.com Sun Apr 19 17:44:49 2020 From: davidgreen50 at gmail.com (David Green) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:44:49 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Shot heard round the world? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In a review of Gerald Horne's Book *The Counter-Revolution of 1776*, published by the Marxist historian Charles Post in the Marxist journal *Science and Society*, Post concludes as follows: Ultimately, the greatest weakness of Horne?s book is his reduction of the American Revolution to a ?counter-revolution of slavery? (x). Clearly the *intent *of the southern planters and their allies among northern colonial merchants was to defend slavery. The Constitutional Settlement of 1787, which consolidated a relatively centralized capitalist state in the United States, established the dominance of the merchants and planters and placed the master?slave relationship outside the purview of the classes represented in the newly created federal government. However, the *unintended consequence* of the Revolution and the Constitutional Settlement was to create a *mass constituency* among European?Americans in the north opposed to the expansion of plantation slavery in the 1840s and 1850s, and in support of the *abolition* of slavery during the Civil War. The goal of the merchants and their political representatives who spearheaded the adoption of the Constitution in 1787?88 was to create a centralized state capable of securing the public debt, stabilizing a national currency, and ensuring the collection of government revenues (taxes, tariffs and land sales) and private debts (Holton, 2007). The new state institutions allowed merchants and land speculators to defeat northern independent household producers in the cycle of class struggles in the 1790s. Farmers unsuccessfully fought tax collectors, merchant?creditors, and land speculators to defend *non-market access to land*, which allowed them to market only physical surpluses and maintain possession of landed property without ?selling to survive.? The *unintended consequence *of closing off access to free or inexpensive land on the frontier was the transformation of the conditions under which farmers in the north obtained, expanded and maintained landed property. Northern U. S. farmers became dependent upon successful market production for their economic survival ? they became agrarian petty-commodity producers who had to specialize output, accumulate land and capital, and introduce new tools and methods to preserve their landed property. As rural households became dependent on the market for their economic survival, northern agriculture became a massive home market for industrially produced capital and consumer goods, sparking the industrial revolution of the 19th century. The transformation of social property relations in northern agriculture established the conditions for *capitalist development *in the north after c. 1840, and created a *majoritarian *social bloc of farmers, manufacturers and skilled workers opposed to the geographic expansion of slavery. By the 1840s, the growing contradictions between the social conditions of the development of capitalism and slavery set the stage for the sharp class conflicts that culminated in the Civil War. The emergence of two regional social blocs ? a northern coalition of farmers, native- born skilled workers and manufacturers opposed to slavery expansion organized in the Republican Party; and a southern coalition of slaveholders and non?slave-owning white farmers demanding the opening of the west to slavery organized in a rump Democratic Party ? set the stage for Lincoln?s election, southern secession and war. Military contingency and the mass flight of slaves from the plantations led to the abolition of slavery, with the support of the vast majority in the north (Levine, 2013). Ultimately, Horne?s claim that the American Revolution was *simply *a ?counter-revolution of slavery? is, at best, only *partially true. *The American Revolution and Constitutional Settlement protected the masters? property rights in African?American men, women and children, enabling the plantocracy to maintain and expand their form of social labor as the demand for slave-produced cotton exploded in the first half of the 19th century. However, the *unintended consequence *of the Revolution ? the transformation of northern household-based agriculture ? not only created the conditions for the development of capitalism, but created massive social forces opposed to slavery?s expansion and eventual existence. Put another way, the American Revolution *both *consolidated and ultimately undermined chattel slavery in the United States. On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 11:42 AM C. G. Estabrook via Peace < peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > The anniversary of the battles of Lexington and Concord (April 19, 1775) > should remind us to ask how much the 'War of Independence' was a defense of > slavery against the presumed plans of the British government to abolish it > - in part because the slave-based economies of the American colonies were > out-producing the home country. > > ### > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at newsfromneptune.com Sun Apr 19 18:58:17 2020 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 13:58:17 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Shot heard round the world? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <911D15DA-79A2-4FFB-8624-7A34F7667895@newsfromneptune.com> Thanks for this, David. I?d like to hear my late colleague Gene Genovese on the recent developments of this discussion. My suspicion (it?s no more than that) is that Gene, the combative soi-disant Marxist, would agree with the following - and that it?s essentially correct. ?CGE > On Apr 19, 2020, at 12:44 PM, David Green wrote: > > Ultimately, Horne?s claim that the American Revolution was simply a > > ?counter-revolution of slavery? is, at best, only partially true. The American > > Revolution and Constitutional Settlement protected the masters? property > > rights in African?American men, women and children, enabling the plantocracy > > to maintain and expand their form of social labor as the demand > > for slave-produced cotton exploded in the first half of the 19th century. > > However, the unintended consequence of the Revolution ? the transformation > > of northern household-based agriculture ? not only created the conditions > > for the development of capitalism, but created massive social forces opposed > > to slavery?s expansion and eventual existence. Put another way, the American > > Revolution both consolidated and ultimately undermined chattel slavery in > > the United States. > From jbn at forestfield.org Wed Apr 22 00:51:00 2020 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 19:51:00 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Interesting and important interviews & comments from Jimmy Dore: interviews with Dylan Ratigan & Jane McAlevey, and analyzing Noam Chomsky's electoral advice & AOC's rebuttal Message-ID: <83e5e95c-80b0-623a-bd9f-481629c8290a@forestfield.org> Jimmy Dore is still giving us the interviews you're not likely to catch elsewhere. On today's live show he spoke with author Jane McAlevey author of "A Collective Bargain: Unions, Organizing, and the Fight for Democracy". https://janemcalevey.com/book/a-collective-bargain-unions-organizing-and-the-fight-for-democracy/ McAlevey provides specific actionable advice on how to form a union, which unions are most likely to be amenable to work with you (nurses & teachers' unions), and she clearly calls for strikes among the workers we now see are indispensable (among them: grocery store clerks & delivery drivers not Wall St. traders despite what the establishment media tells you). My main objection is McAlevey's fleeting references to the sex of the amenable workers and Trump Derangement Syndrome[2]. But fortunately Dore is neither put off by it nor mired in that side issue in the interview. McAlevey, in response to what union busters aim to accomplish, quoted a union buster which I found referenced below: https://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-are-unions-20140227-story.html#axzz2uYgJ10ss https://archive.md/C9aG2 > Over the years, employers have developed an exquisite arsenal against union > organizing. For a succinct description of how the war is waged, Soltas needs to > examine ?Confessions of a Union Buster,?[1] the heartfelt memoir Martin Jay Levitt > published in 1993. > > ?I come from a very dirty business,? Levitt told a carpenters union audience > (after his conversion). As he described it, ?the enemy was the collective spirit. > I got hold of that spirit while it was still a seedling; I poisoned it, choked it, > bludgeoned it if I had to, anything to be sure it would never blossom into a > united work force, the dreaded foe of any corporate tyrant." [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-0gxca-VxM [2] Dore is much more pointed in his criticism of 'any blue will do' (a slogan advocating that one should support any Democrat no matter who they are, what their history is, or what they say they'll support/oppose) in his take on Noam Chomsky's endorsement of Joe Biden. You can also find Chomsky's advice to vote for Biden on recent episodes of Democracy Now and in an interview with Medhi Hasan (which is what Dore focuses on). And Dore & co. are still some the very few commentators with a proper sense of priority on how much the Democrats are not working for you. The so-called "progressive" Democrats -- Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez/AOC, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, and the rest of "the squad", as well as Bernie Sanders, and Elizabeth Warren have all been described as progressive -- are all useless to you because of how all but a handful of Congresspeople voted for the CARES Act (everyone voting in the Senate went along with it and those few objectors in the House sounded like they were all men, judging by the voice vote given). Despite that, AOC continues to lecture and gaslight us about our collective needs and not clearly and plainly say that she voted against CARES (because she actually voted for CARES and she knows it), didn't put in any effort to call for a recorded vote (and for a lame reason[3] that is no excuse to not call for a recorded vote), and didn't challenge her leadership on a recorded vote or the bill. The Democrats are fully behind our collective immiseration. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lwiP6JT3mQ for Dore's response and this is filled with questions the establishment-friendly media aren't asking. For all of her time-consuming bluster, AOC has not demonstrated the spine to appear on Jimmy Dore's show despite having an open invitation to appear so he can put these questions directly to her. See Dore's interview with Dylan Ratigan in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1oERncbzPY on how anyone living on a stock-based retirement plan or pension is in fiscal trouble too. [3] Rep. Barbara Lee stood out as the sole House vote against the authorization to grant the 2003 US-led invasion of Iraq. She lost that fight. But she can forever turn to her constituents and argue that she made the correct call when it counted. AOC can't do that. We've heard the voice vote (which sounded like a small group of all men) and AOC has been cagey about describing her own choices (she never clearly said she voted against CARES, won't given Rep. Thomas Massey credit where credit is due for objecting to the point where the House had to have a voice vote, and erroneously claims that it would have "needlessly endanger[ed] folks" to have objected without 43 other Reps. joining her). These are reasons for her constituents to vote AOC out. From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Apr 22 01:43:12 2020 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 18:43:12 -0700 Subject: [Peace] Insanity, a bill to draft women into the military? Message-ID: (DavidSwanson.org ) ? I know it?s stiff competition, but hear me out. The threat of nuclear apocalypse is higher than ever . The threat of irreversible climate collapse is higher than ever and massively contributed to by militarism. The trillions of dollars being dumped into militarism are desperately needed for actual defense against these dangers including spin-off catastrophes like coronavirus. But military jobs and weapons production jobs (producing weapons for dictatorships and so-called democracies around the world; the U.S. handles 80% of the globe?s foreign weapons sales) are being deemed ?essential? and actually being boosted with more funding. Meanwhile, the damage already done and still ongoing from wars and sanctions around the world has rendered the damaged areas at much greater risk of deaths from coronavirus. At the same time, militaries are concentrating their members much as prisons are doing, and are raising the risks for everyone, just as prisons and churches and Florida?s beaches are doing. And the U.S. military is stepping up ? I kid you not ? it?s face-to-face recruitment efforts in order to concentrate more young people. What would be the dumbest thing Congress could do in this moment? I mean, other than allowing Trump to remain in office? Surely it would be HR 6415 , a bill to force young women to register for a military draft that would force them against their will to kill and die in any war desired by oil corporations or reality-tv dictators, as well as to further expand military recruitment, and further expand JROTC. Sticking with the theme of honesty and openness, this murderous bill is wrapped in a coating of civic spirit and public service with non-military options that help sell the bill while also helping to normalize mass-murder as just one (albeit the best paid and most heavily marketed) option on a list of humanitarian services that young people can ?give back? to the generations that have just about completely fucked them out of a decent world. Fortunately, there is also a good bill in Congress that does one small piece of what?s needed. HR 5492 would repeal the Selective Service Act. Barring extremely unlikely actions by courts, Congress has to either abolish draft registration ? and isn?t this the moment for such a fit of sanity? ? or expand it to women. It?s actually been ruled ? and, again, I kid you not ? an unconstitutional violation of women?s rights not to force them to sign up to be forced against their will to kill and die. And don?t go imagining for a moment that your good liberal heroes in Congress won?t eagerly give young women that right. Yet ? for some reason that I can?t understand ? the eight sponsors of HR 6415 seem to include no one who has ever been a leader for women?s rights, only one person who is a woman, yet a whole bunch of promoters of militarism, a number of them heavily funded by weapons dealers. There is also, just to complicate things, a crowd of aging peaceniks that wants to expand draft registration to women and immediately launch a draft, due to the highly questionable belief that such a step would reduce rather than increase war-making. A number of tools and resources to help sort through this embarrassing mess are at https://worldbeyondwar.org/repeal/ If you are from the United States, you can click here to quickly email your Representative and your two Senators to urge them to co-sponsor HR 5492, and not HR 6415. HR 5492 would: Repeal the Military Selective Service Act (thereby eliminating Presidential authority to order men to register with the Selective Service System for a possible military draft and eliminating criminal penalties for failure or refusal to register); Abolish the Selective Service System (thereby ending contingency planning by the SSS for the Health Care Personnel Delivery System or any other form of special-skills draft); Prohibit all other Federal agencies from imposing civil sanctions (denial of federal student financial aid, federally-funded jobs, etc.) for nonregistration or using nonregistration as a basis for other adverse determinations (denial of naturalization as a U.S. citizen, etc.); ?Preempt? (and thereby override and prohibit) all state sanctions for nonregistration (denial of drivers? licenses, state financial aid, state jobs, etc.); and Preserve the rights of conscientious objectors under other laws and regulations (such as applicants for reassignment to noncombatant duties or discharge from the military on the basis of conscientious objection). The United States had an active draft from 1940 to 1973 (except for one year between 1947 and 1948). It also had numerous wars including in Korea and Vietnam. The Vietnam War persisted for many years during the draft, which made the war possible ? killing far more people than any U.S. war since. The only reason the war could continue was that the military had a steady stream of draftees. Wars have usually been facilitated by a draft, not prevented. The drafts in the U.S. civil war (both sides), the two world wars, and the war on Korea did not end those wars, despite being much larger and in some cases fairer than the draft during the U.S. war on Vietnam. On April 24, 2019, the National Commission on Military, National, and Public Service heard testimony from Major General John R. Evans, Jr., Commanding General, U.S. Army Cadet Command; Mr. James Stewart, Under Secretary of Defense (Personnel & Readiness); and Rear Admiral John Polowczyk, Vice Director of Logistics for the Joint Chiefs of Staff. They all testified that the Selective Service System was important for ensuring and enabling their war-making plans. Stewart said that enacting a draft would show national resolve in support of war-making efforts. John Polowczyk said, ?I think that gives us some ability to plan.? The recommendations of the National Commission on Military, National, and Public Service, which went through a lengthy process of pretending to listen to people that in reality was more of an exercise in push-polling, recently issued recommendations that are mirrored by HR 6415. Here?s some background: World BEYOND War: Statement to the National Commission on Military, National, and Public Service Edward Hasbrouck: Bill Introduced to End Draft Registration Center on Conscience & War, Code Pink, Committee on Militarism and the Draft, Courage to Resist, Friends Committee on National Legislation (FCNL), Military Law Task Force of the National Lawyers Guild, Resisters.info, Veterans For Peace, War Resisters League, World BEYOND War: It?s Time to End U.S. Draft Registration Once and for All Bill Galvin and Maria Santelli, Center on Conscience & War: It is time to abolish draft registration and restore full rights to people of conscience David Swanson: Draft Registration Will Be Either Ended or Imposed on Women David Swanson: How to Oppose the Draft for Women and Not Be Sexist David Swanson: 10 Reasons Why Ending the Draft Helps End War C.J. Hinke: The Last Draft Dodger: We Still Won?t Go Rivera Sun: It?s Time. End the Draft Once and for All Rivera Sun: Women?s Draft? Sign Me Up To Abolish War Feature photo | Female U.S. Coast Guard swabs recite phrases from the cadet handbook before swearing-in ceremonies, June 27, 2016, at the U.S. Coast Guard Academy, in New London, Conn. Steven Senne | AP David Swanson is an author, activist, journalist, and radio host. He is director of WorldBeyondWar.org and campaign coordinator for RootsAction.org . Swanson?s books include War Is A Lie and When the World Outlawed War . He blogs at DavidSwanson.org and WarIsACrime.org . He hosts Talk Nation Radio. He is a 2015, 2016, 2017 Nobel Peace Prize Nominee. The views expressed in this article are the author?s own and do not necessarily reflect MintPress News editorial policy. 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Nicholson via Peace Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 7:51 PM To: Peace Discuss; Peace Subject: [Peace] Interesting and important interviews & comments from Jimmy Dore: interviews with Dylan Ratigan & Jane McAlevey, and analyzing Noam Chomsky's electoral advice & AOC's rebuttal Jimmy Dore is still giving us the interviews you're not likely to catch elsewhere. On today's live show he spoke with author Jane McAlevey author of "A Collective Bargain: Unions, Organizing, and the Fight for Democracy". https://janemcalevey.com/book/a-collective-bargain-unions-organizing-and-the-fight-for-democracy/ McAlevey provides specific actionable advice on how to form a union, which unions are most likely to be amenable to work with you (nurses & teachers' unions), and she clearly calls for strikes among the workers we now see are indispensable (among them: grocery store clerks & delivery drivers not Wall St. traders despite what the establishment media tells you). My main objection is McAlevey's fleeting references to the sex of the amenable workers and Trump Derangement Syndrome[2]. But fortunately Dore is neither put off by it nor mired in that side issue in the interview. McAlevey, in response to what union busters aim to accomplish, quoted a union buster which I found referenced below: https://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-are-unions-20140227-story.html#axzz2uYgJ10ss https://archive.md/C9aG2 > Over the years, employers have developed an exquisite arsenal against union > organizing. For a succinct description of how the war is waged, Soltas needs to > examine ?Confessions of a Union Buster,?[1] the heartfelt memoir Martin Jay Levitt > published in 1993. > > ?I come from a very dirty business,? Levitt told a carpenters union audience > (after his conversion). As he described it, ?the enemy was the collective spirit. > I got hold of that spirit while it was still a seedling; I poisoned it, choked it, > bludgeoned it if I had to, anything to be sure it would never blossom into a > united work force, the dreaded foe of any corporate tyrant." [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-0gxca-VxM [2] Dore is much more pointed in his criticism of 'any blue will do' (a slogan advocating that one should support any Democrat no matter who they are, what their history is, or what they say they'll support/oppose) in his take on Noam Chomsky's endorsement of Joe Biden. You can also find Chomsky's advice to vote for Biden on recent episodes of Democracy Now and in an interview with Medhi Hasan (which is what Dore focuses on). And Dore & co. are still some the very few commentators with a proper sense of priority on how much the Democrats are not working for you. The so-called "progressive" Democrats -- Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez/AOC, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, and the rest of "the squad", as well as Bernie Sanders, and Elizabeth Warren have all been described as progressive -- are all useless to you because of how all but a handful of Congresspeople voted for the CARES Act (everyone voting in the Senate went along with it and those few objectors in the House sounded like they were all men, judging by the voice vote given). Despite that, AOC continues to lecture and gaslight us about our collective needs and not clearly and plainly say that she voted against CARES (because she actually voted for CARES and she knows it), didn't put in any effort to call for a recorded vote (and for a lame reason[3] that is no excuse to not call for a recorded vote), and didn't challenge her leadership on a recorded vote or the bill. The Democrats are fully behind our collective immiseration. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lwiP6JT3mQ for Dore's response and this is filled with questions the establishment-friendly media aren't asking. For all of her time-consuming bluster, AOC has not demonstrated the spine to appear on Jimmy Dore's show despite having an open invitation to appear so he can put these questions directly to her. See Dore's interview with Dylan Ratigan in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1oERncbzPY on how anyone living on a stock-based retirement plan or pension is in fiscal trouble too. [3] Rep. Barbara Lee stood out as the sole House vote against the authorization to grant the 2003 US-led invasion of Iraq. She lost that fight. But she can forever turn to her constituents and argue that she made the correct call when it counted. AOC can't do that. We've heard the voice vote (which sounded like a small group of all men) and AOC has been cagey about describing her own choices (she never clearly said she voted against CARES, won't given Rep. Thomas Massey credit where credit is due for objecting to the point where the House had to have a voice vote, and erroneously claims that it would have "needlessly endanger[ed] folks" to have objected without 43 other Reps. joining her). These are reasons for her constituents to vote AOC out. _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Apr 22 14:27:53 2020 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 07:27:53 -0700 Subject: [Peace] Interesting and important interviews & comments from Jimmy Dore: interviews with Dylan Ratigan & Jane McAlevey, and analyzing Noam Chomsky's electoral advice & AOC's rebuttal In-Reply-To: <005601d618aa$44241290$cc6c37b0$@comcast.net> References: <83e5e95c-80b0-623a-bd9f-481629c8290a@forestfield.org> <005601d618aa$44241290$cc6c37b0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Jeff, great job of providing us with the information necessary to delve beneath the surface. Jimmy Dore is doing a great job of doing just that. I liked his interview with Dylan Rattigan explaining what the oil crisis is, to those of us weak on the details. Though I generally don?t like focusing on the individual, Jimmy does it in order to uncloak the duplicity of AOC, which is necessary for those who think AOC or others who have risen to media attention, saying all the right things, are going to save us, or challenge authority, just because they grand stand and tell us so. My only problem with his latest was he targeted Pelosi as the all encompassing evil. She is, but the assumption that some may take from this is ? if we just remove Pelosi, all will be well.? No it won?t change a thing, as she is just the front man for so many others, owned by corporate capitalism. What we need is system change, and if any one dares challenge it within the system, they will be shut down, not promoted as ?celebrities of the left.? I didn?t see the interview with Jane McAlevey, or rebuttal in relation to Chomsky?s comments on the election. However, in looking at those promoting Janes? books, most are mainstream Democrats rarely challenging the system, other than Naomi Klein, who does so now with nuance and caution. As to Chomsky on the upcoming election. I read the interview done by Jacobin. Chomsky as usual defines the problem as capitalism. Then he recommends Biden. How can the ?greatest intellectual alive today" after analyzing the problem, then suggest a solution that supports the problem. It maybe hubris on my part to challenge ?the greatest intellectual alive today," someone who eight years ago, reading his many books, enlightened me to the many crimes the USG committed over the years, as well as who and why. Based upon everything I learned from him, I have to ask why? I agree global warming and nuclear war are real and serious impending threats to the very existence of mankind, but doing the same thing over and over again, supporting the same people as previous, the same who gave rise to a Trump, representing our system of corruption and decay, is insanity. Chomsky has never supported a third Party, says little of people in the streets, mass movements or challenging our government, whoever the administration, so I am a bit bewildered by his reluctance to challenge the system as is necessary. > On Apr 22, 2020, at 06:31, David Johnson via Peace wrote: > > Jeff, > > Thanks for composing these news digests. They are very helpful references. > > David J. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of J.B. Nicholson via Peace > Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 7:51 PM > To: Peace Discuss; Peace > Subject: [Peace] Interesting and important interviews & comments from Jimmy Dore: interviews with Dylan Ratigan & Jane McAlevey, and analyzing Noam Chomsky's electoral advice & AOC's rebuttal > > Jimmy Dore is still giving us the interviews you're not likely to catch elsewhere. On > today's live show he spoke with author Jane McAlevey author of "A Collective Bargain: > Unions, Organizing, and the Fight for Democracy". > > https://janemcalevey.com/book/a-collective-bargain-unions-organizing-and-the-fight-for-democracy/ > > McAlevey provides specific actionable advice on how to form a union, which unions are > most likely to be amenable to work with you (nurses & teachers' unions), and she > clearly calls for strikes among the workers we now see are indispensable (among them: > grocery store clerks & delivery drivers not Wall St. traders despite what the > establishment media tells you). My main objection is McAlevey's fleeting references > to the sex of the amenable workers and Trump Derangement Syndrome[2]. But fortunately > Dore is neither put off by it nor mired in that side issue in the interview. > > McAlevey, in response to what union busters aim to accomplish, quoted a union buster > which I found referenced below: > > https://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-are-unions-20140227-story.html#axzz2uYgJ10ss > https://archive.md/C9aG2 > >> Over the years, employers have developed an exquisite arsenal against union >> organizing. For a succinct description of how the war is waged, Soltas needs to >> examine ?Confessions of a Union Buster,?[1] the heartfelt memoir Martin Jay Levitt >> published in 1993. >> >> ?I come from a very dirty business,? Levitt told a carpenters union audience >> (after his conversion). As he described it, ?the enemy was the collective spirit. >> I got hold of that spirit while it was still a seedling; I poisoned it, choked it, >> bludgeoned it if I had to, anything to be sure it would never blossom into a >> united work force, the dreaded foe of any corporate tyrant." > [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-0gxca-VxM > > [2] Dore is much more pointed in his criticism of 'any blue will do' (a slogan > advocating that one should support any Democrat no matter who they are, what their > history is, or what they say they'll support/oppose) in his take on Noam Chomsky's > endorsement of Joe Biden. You can also find Chomsky's advice to vote for Biden on > recent episodes of Democracy Now and in an interview with Medhi Hasan (which is what > Dore focuses on). > > > > And Dore & co. are still some the very few commentators with a proper sense of > priority on how much the Democrats are not working for you. The so-called > "progressive" Democrats -- Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez/AOC, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, > and the rest of "the squad", as well as Bernie Sanders, and Elizabeth Warren have all > been described as progressive -- are all useless to you because of how all but a > handful of Congresspeople voted for the CARES Act (everyone voting in the Senate went > along with it and those few objectors in the House sounded like they were all men, > judging by the voice vote given). > > Despite that, AOC continues to lecture and gaslight us about our collective needs and > not clearly and plainly say that she voted against CARES (because she actually voted > for CARES and she knows it), didn't put in any effort to call for a recorded vote > (and for a lame reason[3] that is no excuse to not call for a recorded vote), and > didn't challenge her leadership on a recorded vote or the bill. The Democrats are > fully behind our collective immiseration. See > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lwiP6JT3mQ for Dore's response and this is filled > with questions the establishment-friendly media aren't asking. For all of her > time-consuming bluster, AOC has not demonstrated the spine to appear on Jimmy Dore's > show despite having an open invitation to appear so he can put these questions > directly to her. > > See Dore's interview with Dylan Ratigan in > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1oERncbzPY on how anyone living on a stock-based > retirement plan or pension is in fiscal trouble too. > > [3] Rep. Barbara Lee stood out as the sole House vote against the authorization to > grant the 2003 US-led invasion of Iraq. She lost that fight. But she can forever turn > to her constituents and argue that she made the correct call when it counted. AOC > can't do that. We've heard the voice vote (which sounded like a small group of all > men) and AOC has been cagey about describing her own choices (she never clearly said > she voted against CARES, won't given Rep. Thomas Massey credit where credit is due > for objecting to the point where the House had to have a voice vote, and erroneously > claims that it would have "needlessly endanger[ed] folks" to have objected without 43 > other Reps. joining her). These are reasons for her constituents to vote AOC out. > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Apr 22 14:33:25 2020 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 07:33:25 -0700 Subject: [Peace] Counterpunch article from 2015 Message-ID: Marx on the Mark by MATTHEW STANTON Facebook Twitter Reddit Email As a teacher I am always looking for new ways to challenge the received wisdom I encounter in the classroom. One of the most pervasive examples of this is the belief that Karl Marx is historically irrelevant; a grumbling misanthrope who has nothing to say to a modern reader. Recently, I selected excerpts from the Communist Manifesto, that much maligned but rarely read document from a bygone era, and everywhere I found the words ?bourgeoisie? or ?bourgeois? I replaced them with ?corporation? or ?corporate?. I then showed it to several people who had never seen the Manifesto and asked them what they thought of it. Everyone I asked thought it was contemporary criticism, relevant to our times, and right on the mark. Hmmm?The government as steering committee for the giant corporations? Big Business conversion of vocational work into big money wage reward? Commercial advertising infiltrated into every conceivable space? The cheapening effects of junk commodities? The Disneyfication of culture? Infotainment in place of real news? The absorption of everything possible into the priced market? It?s all there. Only today, it may look even more obvious than it did 150 yrs. ago. Here is the excerpt, with changes underlined: ?The executive of the modern state is but a committee for managing the common affairs of the whole corporation. The corporation, wherever it has got the upper hand, has?left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous ?cash payment?? It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom ? Free Trade. In one word, for exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation. The corporation has stripped of its halo every occupation hitherto honored and looked up to with reverent awe. It has converted the physician, the lawyer, the priest, the poet, the man of science, into its paid wage laborers. The corporation has torn away from the family its sentimental veil, and has reduced the family relation to a mere money relation. The corporation? has been the first to show what man?s activity can bring about. It has accomplished wonders far surpassing Egyptian pyramids, Roman aqueducts, and Gothic cathedrals. The corporation cannot exist without constantly revolutionizing the instruments of production, and thereby the relations of production, and with them the whole relations of society. Constant revolutionizing of production, uninterrupted disturbance of all social conditions, everlasting uncertainty and agitation distinguish the corporate epoch from all earlier ones. All fixed, fast-frozen relations, with their train of ancient and venerable prejudices and opinions, are swept away, all new-formed ones become antiquated before they can ossify. All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned?? The need of a constantly expanding market for its products chases the corporation over the entire surface of the globe. It must nestle everywhere, settle everywhere, establish connections everywhere. The corporation has through its exploitation of the world market given a cosmopolitan character to production and consumption in every country?it has drawn from under the feet of industry the national ground on which it stood. All old-established national industries have been destroyed or are daily being destroyed. They are dislodged by new industries, whose introduction becomes a life and death question for all civilized nations, by industries that no longer work up indigenous raw material, but raw material drawn from the remotest zones; industries whose products are consumed, not only at home, but in every quarter of the globe. In place of the old wants, satisfied by the production of the country, we find new wants, requiring for their satisfaction the products of distant lands and climes. In place of the old local and national seclusion and self-sufficiency, we have intercourse in every direction, universal inter-dependence of nations. The corporation, by the rapid improvement of all instruments of production, by the immensely facilitated means of communication, draws all, even the most barbarian, nations into civilization. The cheap prices of commodities are the heavy artillery with which it batters down all Chinese walls, with which it forces the barbarians? intensely obstinate hatred of foreigners to capitulate. It compels all nations, on pain of extinction, to adopt the corporate mode of production; it compels them to introduce what it calls civilization into their midst, i.e., to become corporate themselves. In one word, it creates a world after its own image.? Join the debate on Facebook More articles by:MATTHEW STANTON Matthew Stanton is a Professor of Law at Chicago-Kent College of Law. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net Wed Apr 22 14:58:28 2020 From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 09:58:28 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Interesting and important interviews & comments from Jimmy Dore: interviews with Dylan Ratigan & Jane McAlevey, and analyzing Noam Chomsky's electoral advice & AOC's rebuttal In-Reply-To: References: <83e5e95c-80b0-623a-bd9f-481629c8290a@forestfield.org> <005601d618aa$44241290$cc6c37b0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <006201d618b6$7c1ce030$7456a090$@comcast.net> With Chomsky's latest statement that we need to vote for Joe Biden, is proof that nobody is correct 100% of the time. He is only human and hence flawed like the rest of us. David J. -----Original Message----- From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Karen Aram via Peace Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 9:28 AM To: J.B. Nicholson Cc: Peace Discuss; Peace Subject: Re: [Peace] Interesting and important interviews & comments from Jimmy Dore: interviews with Dylan Ratigan & Jane McAlevey, and analyzing Noam Chomsky's electoral advice & AOC's rebuttal Jeff, great job of providing us with the information necessary to delve beneath the surface. Jimmy Dore is doing a great job of doing just that. I liked his interview with Dylan Rattigan explaining what the oil crisis is, to those of us weak on the details. Though I generally don?t like focusing on the individual, Jimmy does it in order to uncloak the duplicity of AOC, which is necessary for those who think AOC or others who have risen to media attention, saying all the right things, are going to save us, or challenge authority, just because they grand stand and tell us so. My only problem with his latest was he targeted Pelosi as the all encompassing evil. She is, but the assumption that some may take from this is ? if we just remove Pelosi, all will be well.? No it won?t change a thing, as she is just the front man for so many others, owned by corporate capitalism. What we need is system change, and if any one dares challenge it within the system, they will be shut down, not promoted as ?celebrities of the left.? I didn?t see the interview with Jane McAlevey, or rebuttal in relation to Chomsky?s comments on the election. However, in looking at those promoting Janes? books, most are mainstream Democrats rarely challenging the system, other than Naomi Klein, who does so now with nuance and caution. As to Chomsky on the upcoming election. I read the interview done by Jacobin. Chomsky as usual defines the problem as capitalism. Then he recommends Biden. How can the ?greatest intellectual alive today" after analyzing the problem, then suggest a solution that supports the problem. It maybe hubris on my part to challenge ?the greatest intellectual alive today," someone who eight years ago, reading his many books, enlightened me to the many crimes the USG committed over the years, as well as who and why. Based upon everything I learned from him, I have to ask why? I agree global warming and nuclear war are real and serious impending threats to the very existence of mankind, but doing the same thing over and over again, supporting the same people as previous, the same who gave rise to a Trump, representing our system of corruption and decay, is insanity. Chomsky has never supported a third Party, says little of people in the streets, mass movements or challenging our government, whoever the administration, so I am a bit bewildered by his reluctance to challenge the system as is necessary. > On Apr 22, 2020, at 06:31, David Johnson via Peace wrote: > > Jeff, > > Thanks for composing these news digests. They are very helpful references. > > David J. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of J.B. Nicholson via Peace > Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 7:51 PM > To: Peace Discuss; Peace > Subject: [Peace] Interesting and important interviews & comments from Jimmy Dore: interviews with Dylan Ratigan & Jane McAlevey, and analyzing Noam Chomsky's electoral advice & AOC's rebuttal > > Jimmy Dore is still giving us the interviews you're not likely to catch elsewhere. On > today's live show he spoke with author Jane McAlevey author of "A Collective Bargain: > Unions, Organizing, and the Fight for Democracy". > > https://janemcalevey.com/book/a-collective-bargain-unions-organizing-and-the-fight-for-democracy/ > > McAlevey provides specific actionable advice on how to form a union, which unions are > most likely to be amenable to work with you (nurses & teachers' unions), and she > clearly calls for strikes among the workers we now see are indispensable (among them: > grocery store clerks & delivery drivers not Wall St. traders despite what the > establishment media tells you). My main objection is McAlevey's fleeting references > to the sex of the amenable workers and Trump Derangement Syndrome[2]. But fortunately > Dore is neither put off by it nor mired in that side issue in the interview. > > McAlevey, in response to what union busters aim to accomplish, quoted a union buster > which I found referenced below: > > https://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-are-unions-20140227-story.html#axzz2uYgJ10ss > https://archive.md/C9aG2 > >> Over the years, employers have developed an exquisite arsenal against union >> organizing. For a succinct description of how the war is waged, Soltas needs to >> examine ?Confessions of a Union Buster,?[1] the heartfelt memoir Martin Jay Levitt >> published in 1993. >> >> ?I come from a very dirty business,? Levitt told a carpenters union audience >> (after his conversion). As he described it, ?the enemy was the collective spirit. >> I got hold of that spirit while it was still a seedling; I poisoned it, choked it, >> bludgeoned it if I had to, anything to be sure it would never blossom into a >> united work force, the dreaded foe of any corporate tyrant." > [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-0gxca-VxM > > [2] Dore is much more pointed in his criticism of 'any blue will do' (a slogan > advocating that one should support any Democrat no matter who they are, what their > history is, or what they say they'll support/oppose) in his take on Noam Chomsky's > endorsement of Joe Biden. You can also find Chomsky's advice to vote for Biden on > recent episodes of Democracy Now and in an interview with Medhi Hasan (which is what > Dore focuses on). > > > > And Dore & co. are still some the very few commentators with a proper sense of > priority on how much the Democrats are not working for you. The so-called > "progressive" Democrats -- Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez/AOC, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, > and the rest of "the squad", as well as Bernie Sanders, and Elizabeth Warren have all > been described as progressive -- are all useless to you because of how all but a > handful of Congresspeople voted for the CARES Act (everyone voting in the Senate went > along with it and those few objectors in the House sounded like they were all men, > judging by the voice vote given). > > Despite that, AOC continues to lecture and gaslight us about our collective needs and > not clearly and plainly say that she voted against CARES (because she actually voted > for CARES and she knows it), didn't put in any effort to call for a recorded vote > (and for a lame reason[3] that is no excuse to not call for a recorded vote), and > didn't challenge her leadership on a recorded vote or the bill. The Democrats are > fully behind our collective immiseration. See > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lwiP6JT3mQ for Dore's response and this is filled > with questions the establishment-friendly media aren't asking. For all of her > time-consuming bluster, AOC has not demonstrated the spine to appear on Jimmy Dore's > show despite having an open invitation to appear so he can put these questions > directly to her. > > See Dore's interview with Dylan Ratigan in > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1oERncbzPY on how anyone living on a stock-based > retirement plan or pension is in fiscal trouble too. > > [3] Rep. Barbara Lee stood out as the sole House vote against the authorization to > grant the 2003 US-led invasion of Iraq. She lost that fight. But she can forever turn > to her constituents and argue that she made the correct call when it counted. AOC > can't do that. We've heard the voice vote (which sounded like a small group of all > men) and AOC has been cagey about describing her own choices (she never clearly said > she voted against CARES, won't given Rep. Thomas Massey credit where credit is due > for objecting to the point where the House had to have a voice vote, and erroneously > claims that it would have "needlessly endanger[ed] folks" to have objected without 43 > other Reps. joining her). These are reasons for her constituents to vote AOC out. > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Apr 22 15:04:55 2020 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 08:04:55 -0700 Subject: [Peace] Interesting and important interviews & comments from Jimmy Dore: interviews with Dylan Ratigan & Jane McAlevey, and analyzing Noam Chomsky's electoral advice & AOC's rebuttal In-Reply-To: <006201d618b6$7c1ce030$7456a090$@comcast.net> References: <83e5e95c-80b0-623a-bd9f-481629c8290a@forestfield.org> <005601d618aa$44241290$cc6c37b0$@comcast.net> <006201d618b6$7c1ce030$7456a090$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Sorry, thats no excuse for someone who influences millions. If I?m wrong, who cares, as no one listens to me. But when someone of Chomsky?s stature is wrong, is has monumental consequences. > On Apr 22, 2020, at 07:58, David Johnson wrote: > > With Chomsky's latest statement that we need to vote for Joe Biden, is proof that nobody is correct 100% of the time. He is only human and hence flawed like the rest of us. > > David J. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Karen Aram via Peace > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 9:28 AM > To: J.B. Nicholson > Cc: Peace Discuss; Peace > Subject: Re: [Peace] Interesting and important interviews & comments from Jimmy Dore: interviews with Dylan Ratigan & Jane McAlevey, and analyzing Noam Chomsky's electoral advice & AOC's rebuttal > > > Jeff, great job of providing us with the information necessary to delve beneath the surface. > > Jimmy Dore is doing a great job of doing just that. I liked his interview with Dylan Rattigan explaining what the oil crisis is, to those of us weak on the details. > > Though I generally don?t like focusing on the individual, Jimmy does it in order to uncloak the duplicity of AOC, which is necessary for those who think AOC or others who have risen to media attention, saying all the right things, are going to save us, or challenge authority, just because they grand stand and tell us so. > > My only problem with his latest was he targeted Pelosi as the all encompassing evil. She is, but the assumption that some may take from this is ? if we just remove Pelosi, all will be well.? No it won?t change a thing, as she is just the front man for so many others, owned by corporate capitalism. What we need is system change, and if any one dares challenge it within the system, they will be shut down, not promoted as ?celebrities of the left.? > > I didn?t see the interview with Jane McAlevey, or rebuttal in relation to Chomsky?s comments on the election. However, in looking at those promoting Janes? books, most are mainstream Democrats rarely challenging the system, other than Naomi Klein, who does so now with nuance and caution. > > As to Chomsky on the upcoming election. I read the interview done by Jacobin. Chomsky as usual defines the problem as capitalism. Then he recommends Biden. How can the ?greatest intellectual alive today" after analyzing the problem, then suggest a solution that supports the problem. > > It maybe hubris on my part to challenge ?the greatest intellectual alive today," someone who eight years ago, reading his many books, enlightened me to the many crimes the USG committed over the years, as well as who and why. Based upon everything I learned from him, I have to ask why? I agree global warming and nuclear war are real and serious impending threats to the very existence of mankind, but doing the same thing over and over again, supporting the same people as previous, the same who gave rise to a Trump, representing our system of corruption and decay, is insanity. > > Chomsky has never supported a third Party, says little of people in the streets, mass movements or challenging our government, whoever the administration, so I am a bit bewildered by his reluctance to challenge the system as is necessary. > > > > > >> On Apr 22, 2020, at 06:31, David Johnson via Peace wrote: >> >> Jeff, >> >> Thanks for composing these news digests. They are very helpful references. >> >> David J. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of J.B. Nicholson via Peace >> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 7:51 PM >> To: Peace Discuss; Peace >> Subject: [Peace] Interesting and important interviews & comments from Jimmy Dore: interviews with Dylan Ratigan & Jane McAlevey, and analyzing Noam Chomsky's electoral advice & AOC's rebuttal >> >> Jimmy Dore is still giving us the interviews you're not likely to catch elsewhere. On >> today's live show he spoke with author Jane McAlevey author of "A Collective Bargain: >> Unions, Organizing, and the Fight for Democracy". >> >> https://janemcalevey.com/book/a-collective-bargain-unions-organizing-and-the-fight-for-democracy/ >> >> McAlevey provides specific actionable advice on how to form a union, which unions are >> most likely to be amenable to work with you (nurses & teachers' unions), and she >> clearly calls for strikes among the workers we now see are indispensable (among them: >> grocery store clerks & delivery drivers not Wall St. traders despite what the >> establishment media tells you). My main objection is McAlevey's fleeting references >> to the sex of the amenable workers and Trump Derangement Syndrome[2]. But fortunately >> Dore is neither put off by it nor mired in that side issue in the interview. >> >> McAlevey, in response to what union busters aim to accomplish, quoted a union buster >> which I found referenced below: >> >> https://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-are-unions-20140227-story.html#axzz2uYgJ10ss >> https://archive.md/C9aG2 >> >>> Over the years, employers have developed an exquisite arsenal against union >>> organizing. For a succinct description of how the war is waged, Soltas needs to >>> examine ?Confessions of a Union Buster,?[1] the heartfelt memoir Martin Jay Levitt >>> published in 1993. >>> >>> ?I come from a very dirty business,? Levitt told a carpenters union audience >>> (after his conversion). As he described it, ?the enemy was the collective spirit. >>> I got hold of that spirit while it was still a seedling; I poisoned it, choked it, >>> bludgeoned it if I had to, anything to be sure it would never blossom into a >>> united work force, the dreaded foe of any corporate tyrant." >> [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-0gxca-VxM >> >> [2] Dore is much more pointed in his criticism of 'any blue will do' (a slogan >> advocating that one should support any Democrat no matter who they are, what their >> history is, or what they say they'll support/oppose) in his take on Noam Chomsky's >> endorsement of Joe Biden. You can also find Chomsky's advice to vote for Biden on >> recent episodes of Democracy Now and in an interview with Medhi Hasan (which is what >> Dore focuses on). >> >> >> >> And Dore & co. are still some the very few commentators with a proper sense of >> priority on how much the Democrats are not working for you. The so-called >> "progressive" Democrats -- Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez/AOC, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, >> and the rest of "the squad", as well as Bernie Sanders, and Elizabeth Warren have all >> been described as progressive -- are all useless to you because of how all but a >> handful of Congresspeople voted for the CARES Act (everyone voting in the Senate went >> along with it and those few objectors in the House sounded like they were all men, >> judging by the voice vote given). >> >> Despite that, AOC continues to lecture and gaslight us about our collective needs and >> not clearly and plainly say that she voted against CARES (because she actually voted >> for CARES and she knows it), didn't put in any effort to call for a recorded vote >> (and for a lame reason[3] that is no excuse to not call for a recorded vote), and >> didn't challenge her leadership on a recorded vote or the bill. The Democrats are >> fully behind our collective immiseration. See >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lwiP6JT3mQ for Dore's response and this is filled >> with questions the establishment-friendly media aren't asking. For all of her >> time-consuming bluster, AOC has not demonstrated the spine to appear on Jimmy Dore's >> show despite having an open invitation to appear so he can put these questions >> directly to her. >> >> See Dore's interview with Dylan Ratigan in >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1oERncbzPY on how anyone living on a stock-based >> retirement plan or pension is in fiscal trouble too. >> >> [3] Rep. Barbara Lee stood out as the sole House vote against the authorization to >> grant the 2003 US-led invasion of Iraq. She lost that fight. But she can forever turn >> to her constituents and argue that she made the correct call when it counted. AOC >> can't do that. We've heard the voice vote (which sounded like a small group of all >> men) and AOC has been cagey about describing her own choices (she never clearly said >> she voted against CARES, won't given Rep. Thomas Massey credit where credit is due >> for objecting to the point where the House had to have a voice vote, and erroneously >> claims that it would have "needlessly endanger[ed] folks" to have objected without 43 >> other Reps. joining her). These are reasons for her constituents to vote AOC out. >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net Wed Apr 22 16:48:45 2020 From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 11:48:45 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Interesting and important interviews & comments from Jimmy Dore: interviews with Dylan Ratigan & Jane McAlevey, and analyzing Noam Chomsky's electoral advice & AOC's rebuttal In-Reply-To: References: <83e5e95c-80b0-623a-bd9f-481629c8290a@forestfield.org> <005601d618aa$44241290$cc6c37b0$@comcast.net> <006201d618b6$7c1ce030$7456a090$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <007301d618c5$e3e57ce0$abb076a0$@comcast.net> Karen, I wasn't trying to make excuses for Chomsky, but instead point out that he is not correct 100 % of the time. I have disagreed with statements / opinions in the past from Chomsky. He can be and is wrong occasionally. David J. -----Original Message----- From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 10:05 AM To: David Johnson Cc: J.B. Nicholson; Peace Discuss; Peace Subject: Re: [Peace] Interesting and important interviews & comments from Jimmy Dore: interviews with Dylan Ratigan & Jane McAlevey, and analyzing Noam Chomsky's electoral advice & AOC's rebuttal Sorry, thats no excuse for someone who influences millions. If I?m wrong, who cares, as no one listens to me. But when someone of Chomsky?s stature is wrong, is has monumental consequences. > On Apr 22, 2020, at 07:58, David Johnson wrote: > > With Chomsky's latest statement that we need to vote for Joe Biden, is proof that nobody is correct 100% of the time. He is only human and hence flawed like the rest of us. > > David J. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Karen Aram via Peace > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 9:28 AM > To: J.B. Nicholson > Cc: Peace Discuss; Peace > Subject: Re: [Peace] Interesting and important interviews & comments from Jimmy Dore: interviews with Dylan Ratigan & Jane McAlevey, and analyzing Noam Chomsky's electoral advice & AOC's rebuttal > > > Jeff, great job of providing us with the information necessary to delve beneath the surface. > > Jimmy Dore is doing a great job of doing just that. I liked his interview with Dylan Rattigan explaining what the oil crisis is, to those of us weak on the details. > > Though I generally don?t like focusing on the individual, Jimmy does it in order to uncloak the duplicity of AOC, which is necessary for those who think AOC or others who have risen to media attention, saying all the right things, are going to save us, or challenge authority, just because they grand stand and tell us so. > > My only problem with his latest was he targeted Pelosi as the all encompassing evil. She is, but the assumption that some may take from this is ? if we just remove Pelosi, all will be well.? No it won?t change a thing, as she is just the front man for so many others, owned by corporate capitalism. What we need is system change, and if any one dares challenge it within the system, they will be shut down, not promoted as ?celebrities of the left.? > > I didn?t see the interview with Jane McAlevey, or rebuttal in relation to Chomsky?s comments on the election. However, in looking at those promoting Janes? books, most are mainstream Democrats rarely challenging the system, other than Naomi Klein, who does so now with nuance and caution. > > As to Chomsky on the upcoming election. I read the interview done by Jacobin. Chomsky as usual defines the problem as capitalism. Then he recommends Biden. How can the ?greatest intellectual alive today" after analyzing the problem, then suggest a solution that supports the problem. > > It maybe hubris on my part to challenge ?the greatest intellectual alive today," someone who eight years ago, reading his many books, enlightened me to the many crimes the USG committed over the years, as well as who and why. Based upon everything I learned from him, I have to ask why? I agree global warming and nuclear war are real and serious impending threats to the very existence of mankind, but doing the same thing over and over again, supporting the same people as previous, the same who gave rise to a Trump, representing our system of corruption and decay, is insanity. > > Chomsky has never supported a third Party, says little of people in the streets, mass movements or challenging our government, whoever the administration, so I am a bit bewildered by his reluctance to challenge the system as is necessary. > > > > > >> On Apr 22, 2020, at 06:31, David Johnson via Peace wrote: >> >> Jeff, >> >> Thanks for composing these news digests. They are very helpful references. >> >> David J. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of J.B. Nicholson via Peace >> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 7:51 PM >> To: Peace Discuss; Peace >> Subject: [Peace] Interesting and important interviews & comments from Jimmy Dore: interviews with Dylan Ratigan & Jane McAlevey, and analyzing Noam Chomsky's electoral advice & AOC's rebuttal >> >> Jimmy Dore is still giving us the interviews you're not likely to catch elsewhere. On >> today's live show he spoke with author Jane McAlevey author of "A Collective Bargain: >> Unions, Organizing, and the Fight for Democracy". >> >> https://janemcalevey.com/book/a-collective-bargain-unions-organizing-and-the-fight-for-democracy/ >> >> McAlevey provides specific actionable advice on how to form a union, which unions are >> most likely to be amenable to work with you (nurses & teachers' unions), and she >> clearly calls for strikes among the workers we now see are indispensable (among them: >> grocery store clerks & delivery drivers not Wall St. traders despite what the >> establishment media tells you). My main objection is McAlevey's fleeting references >> to the sex of the amenable workers and Trump Derangement Syndrome[2]. But fortunately >> Dore is neither put off by it nor mired in that side issue in the interview. >> >> McAlevey, in response to what union busters aim to accomplish, quoted a union buster >> which I found referenced below: >> >> https://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-are-unions-20140227-story.html#axzz2uYgJ10ss >> https://archive.md/C9aG2 >> >>> Over the years, employers have developed an exquisite arsenal against union >>> organizing. For a succinct description of how the war is waged, Soltas needs to >>> examine ?Confessions of a Union Buster,?[1] the heartfelt memoir Martin Jay Levitt >>> published in 1993. >>> >>> ?I come from a very dirty business,? Levitt told a carpenters union audience >>> (after his conversion). As he described it, ?the enemy was the collective spirit. >>> I got hold of that spirit while it was still a seedling; I poisoned it, choked it, >>> bludgeoned it if I had to, anything to be sure it would never blossom into a >>> united work force, the dreaded foe of any corporate tyrant." >> [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-0gxca-VxM >> >> [2] Dore is much more pointed in his criticism of 'any blue will do' (a slogan >> advocating that one should support any Democrat no matter who they are, what their >> history is, or what they say they'll support/oppose) in his take on Noam Chomsky's >> endorsement of Joe Biden. You can also find Chomsky's advice to vote for Biden on >> recent episodes of Democracy Now and in an interview with Medhi Hasan (which is what >> Dore focuses on). >> >> >> >> And Dore & co. are still some the very few commentators with a proper sense of >> priority on how much the Democrats are not working for you. The so-called >> "progressive" Democrats -- Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez/AOC, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, >> and the rest of "the squad", as well as Bernie Sanders, and Elizabeth Warren have all >> been described as progressive -- are all useless to you because of how all but a >> handful of Congresspeople voted for the CARES Act (everyone voting in the Senate went >> along with it and those few objectors in the House sounded like they were all men, >> judging by the voice vote given). >> >> Despite that, AOC continues to lecture and gaslight us about our collective needs and >> not clearly and plainly say that she voted against CARES (because she actually voted >> for CARES and she knows it), didn't put in any effort to call for a recorded vote >> (and for a lame reason[3] that is no excuse to not call for a recorded vote), and >> didn't challenge her leadership on a recorded vote or the bill. The Democrats are >> fully behind our collective immiseration. See >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lwiP6JT3mQ for Dore's response and this is filled >> with questions the establishment-friendly media aren't asking. For all of her >> time-consuming bluster, AOC has not demonstrated the spine to appear on Jimmy Dore's >> show despite having an open invitation to appear so he can put these questions >> directly to her. >> >> See Dore's interview with Dylan Ratigan in >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1oERncbzPY on how anyone living on a stock-based >> retirement plan or pension is in fiscal trouble too. >> >> [3] Rep. Barbara Lee stood out as the sole House vote against the authorization to >> grant the 2003 US-led invasion of Iraq. She lost that fight. But she can forever turn >> to her constituents and argue that she made the correct call when it counted. AOC >> can't do that. We've heard the voice vote (which sounded like a small group of all >> men) and AOC has been cagey about describing her own choices (she never clearly said >> she voted against CARES, won't given Rep. Thomas Massey credit where credit is due >> for objecting to the point where the House had to have a voice vote, and erroneously >> claims that it would have "needlessly endanger[ed] folks" to have objected without 43 >> other Reps. joining her). These are reasons for her constituents to vote AOC out. >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Apr 22 17:29:08 2020 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 10:29:08 -0700 Subject: [Peace] Interesting and important interviews & comments from Jimmy Dore: interviews with Dylan Ratigan & Jane McAlevey, and analyzing Noam Chomsky's electoral advice & AOC's rebuttal In-Reply-To: <007301d618c5$e3e57ce0$abb076a0$@comcast.net> References: <83e5e95c-80b0-623a-bd9f-481629c8290a@forestfield.org> <005601d618aa$44241290$cc6c37b0$@comcast.net> <006201d618b6$7c1ce030$7456a090$@comcast.net> <007301d618c5$e3e57ce0$abb076a0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: David, you?re absolutely correct. This is why we must analyze and not follow blindly what ?experts,? or those we respect suggest we do. It?s one thing to follow a suggestion related to a ?good restaurant, book or film,? as everyone has their own opinion, or perspective, and I shouldn?t begrudge or criticize the person who suggested it if I?m displeased, as it was my choice. However, when a leader makes suggestions and we follow blindly, without analyzing, or delving beneath the surface that is another situation altogether. This is why I appreciate the information, the links and summaries provided by J.B. with discussion and analysis from others in relation to that which holds so many lives in the balance. > On Apr 22, 2020, at 09:48, David Johnson wrote: > > Karen, > > I wasn't trying to make excuses for Chomsky, but instead point out that he is not correct 100 % of the time. I have disagreed with statements / opinions in the past from Chomsky. > He can be and is wrong occasionally. > > David J. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 10:05 AM > To: David Johnson > Cc: J.B. Nicholson; Peace Discuss; Peace > Subject: Re: [Peace] Interesting and important interviews & comments from Jimmy Dore: interviews with Dylan Ratigan & Jane McAlevey, and analyzing Noam Chomsky's electoral advice & AOC's rebuttal > > Sorry, thats no excuse for someone who influences millions. If I?m wrong, who cares, as no one listens to me. But when someone of Chomsky?s stature is wrong, is has monumental consequences. > > >> On Apr 22, 2020, at 07:58, David Johnson wrote: >> >> With Chomsky's latest statement that we need to vote for Joe Biden, is proof that nobody is correct 100% of the time. He is only human and hence flawed like the rest of us. >> >> David J. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Karen Aram via Peace >> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 9:28 AM >> To: J.B. Nicholson >> Cc: Peace Discuss; Peace >> Subject: Re: [Peace] Interesting and important interviews & comments from Jimmy Dore: interviews with Dylan Ratigan & Jane McAlevey, and analyzing Noam Chomsky's electoral advice & AOC's rebuttal >> >> >> Jeff, great job of providing us with the information necessary to delve beneath the surface. >> >> Jimmy Dore is doing a great job of doing just that. I liked his interview with Dylan Rattigan explaining what the oil crisis is, to those of us weak on the details. >> >> Though I generally don?t like focusing on the individual, Jimmy does it in order to uncloak the duplicity of AOC, which is necessary for those who think AOC or others who have risen to media attention, saying all the right things, are going to save us, or challenge authority, just because they grand stand and tell us so. >> >> My only problem with his latest was he targeted Pelosi as the all encompassing evil. She is, but the assumption that some may take from this is ? if we just remove Pelosi, all will be well.? No it won?t change a thing, as she is just the front man for so many others, owned by corporate capitalism. What we need is system change, and if any one dares challenge it within the system, they will be shut down, not promoted as ?celebrities of the left.? >> >> I didn?t see the interview with Jane McAlevey, or rebuttal in relation to Chomsky?s comments on the election. However, in looking at those promoting Janes? books, most are mainstream Democrats rarely challenging the system, other than Naomi Klein, who does so now with nuance and caution. >> >> As to Chomsky on the upcoming election. I read the interview done by Jacobin. Chomsky as usual defines the problem as capitalism. Then he recommends Biden. How can the ?greatest intellectual alive today" after analyzing the problem, then suggest a solution that supports the problem. >> >> It maybe hubris on my part to challenge ?the greatest intellectual alive today," someone who eight years ago, reading his many books, enlightened me to the many crimes the USG committed over the years, as well as who and why. Based upon everything I learned from him, I have to ask why? I agree global warming and nuclear war are real and serious impending threats to the very existence of mankind, but doing the same thing over and over again, supporting the same people as previous, the same who gave rise to a Trump, representing our system of corruption and decay, is insanity. >> >> Chomsky has never supported a third Party, says little of people in the streets, mass movements or challenging our government, whoever the administration, so I am a bit bewildered by his reluctance to challenge the system as is necessary. >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 06:31, David Johnson via Peace wrote: >>> >>> Jeff, >>> >>> Thanks for composing these news digests. They are very helpful references. >>> >>> David J. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of J.B. Nicholson via Peace >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 7:51 PM >>> To: Peace Discuss; Peace >>> Subject: [Peace] Interesting and important interviews & comments from Jimmy Dore: interviews with Dylan Ratigan & Jane McAlevey, and analyzing Noam Chomsky's electoral advice & AOC's rebuttal >>> >>> Jimmy Dore is still giving us the interviews you're not likely to catch elsewhere. On >>> today's live show he spoke with author Jane McAlevey author of "A Collective Bargain: >>> Unions, Organizing, and the Fight for Democracy". >>> >>> https://janemcalevey.com/book/a-collective-bargain-unions-organizing-and-the-fight-for-democracy/ >>> >>> McAlevey provides specific actionable advice on how to form a union, which unions are >>> most likely to be amenable to work with you (nurses & teachers' unions), and she >>> clearly calls for strikes among the workers we now see are indispensable (among them: >>> grocery store clerks & delivery drivers not Wall St. traders despite what the >>> establishment media tells you). My main objection is McAlevey's fleeting references >>> to the sex of the amenable workers and Trump Derangement Syndrome[2]. But fortunately >>> Dore is neither put off by it nor mired in that side issue in the interview. >>> >>> McAlevey, in response to what union busters aim to accomplish, quoted a union buster >>> which I found referenced below: >>> >>> https://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-are-unions-20140227-story.html#axzz2uYgJ10ss >>> https://archive.md/C9aG2 >>> >>>> Over the years, employers have developed an exquisite arsenal against union >>>> organizing. For a succinct description of how the war is waged, Soltas needs to >>>> examine ?Confessions of a Union Buster,?[1] the heartfelt memoir Martin Jay Levitt >>>> published in 1993. >>>> >>>> ?I come from a very dirty business,? Levitt told a carpenters union audience >>>> (after his conversion). As he described it, ?the enemy was the collective spirit. >>>> I got hold of that spirit while it was still a seedling; I poisoned it, choked it, >>>> bludgeoned it if I had to, anything to be sure it would never blossom into a >>>> united work force, the dreaded foe of any corporate tyrant." >>> [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-0gxca-VxM >>> >>> [2] Dore is much more pointed in his criticism of 'any blue will do' (a slogan >>> advocating that one should support any Democrat no matter who they are, what their >>> history is, or what they say they'll support/oppose) in his take on Noam Chomsky's >>> endorsement of Joe Biden. You can also find Chomsky's advice to vote for Biden on >>> recent episodes of Democracy Now and in an interview with Medhi Hasan (which is what >>> Dore focuses on). >>> >>> >>> >>> And Dore & co. are still some the very few commentators with a proper sense of >>> priority on how much the Democrats are not working for you. The so-called >>> "progressive" Democrats -- Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez/AOC, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, >>> and the rest of "the squad", as well as Bernie Sanders, and Elizabeth Warren have all >>> been described as progressive -- are all useless to you because of how all but a >>> handful of Congresspeople voted for the CARES Act (everyone voting in the Senate went >>> along with it and those few objectors in the House sounded like they were all men, >>> judging by the voice vote given). >>> >>> Despite that, AOC continues to lecture and gaslight us about our collective needs and >>> not clearly and plainly say that she voted against CARES (because she actually voted >>> for CARES and she knows it), didn't put in any effort to call for a recorded vote >>> (and for a lame reason[3] that is no excuse to not call for a recorded vote), and >>> didn't challenge her leadership on a recorded vote or the bill. The Democrats are >>> fully behind our collective immiseration. See >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lwiP6JT3mQ for Dore's response and this is filled >>> with questions the establishment-friendly media aren't asking. For all of her >>> time-consuming bluster, AOC has not demonstrated the spine to appear on Jimmy Dore's >>> show despite having an open invitation to appear so he can put these questions >>> directly to her. >>> >>> See Dore's interview with Dylan Ratigan in >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1oERncbzPY on how anyone living on a stock-based >>> retirement plan or pension is in fiscal trouble too. >>> >>> [3] Rep. Barbara Lee stood out as the sole House vote against the authorization to >>> grant the 2003 US-led invasion of Iraq. She lost that fight. But she can forever turn >>> to her constituents and argue that she made the correct call when it counted. AOC >>> can't do that. We've heard the voice vote (which sounded like a small group of all >>> men) and AOC has been cagey about describing her own choices (she never clearly said >>> she voted against CARES, won't given Rep. Thomas Massey credit where credit is due >>> for objecting to the point where the House had to have a voice vote, and erroneously >>> claims that it would have "needlessly endanger[ed] folks" to have objected without 43 >>> other Reps. joining her). These are reasons for her constituents to vote AOC out. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace mailing list >>> Peace at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace mailing list >>> Peace at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >> > > From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Apr 22 17:56:21 2020 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 10:56:21 -0700 Subject: [Peace] Who is administering the AWARE FB page? Message-ID: I have had two postings that will not post on the AWARE FB page. Both related to war, but they will not post. They posted on my Timeline and others have seen and picked them up, with no problems. The button ?post,? goes faint and the posting just hangs. Do we have new people administering? For anyone concerned with censorship or freedom of speech this is a cause of concern. Perhaps its the algorithms? This is one by David Swanson:https://www.mintpressnews.com/as-us-grapples-coronavirus-congress-leaps-into-action-military-draft/266831/?fbclid=IwAR0fUH5qAVccZvQkBolun6OEDiJaBnIyso5xgSBA8hFbxyxQs6YuDNtshWM This is the other:https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/16/marx-on-the-mark/?fbclid=IwAR1k3DucjEH5U4MHctjSuNAPEe0YqItBRNoukmdU1UxXcza6BWV1hbbLhm4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From a-fields at illinois.edu Wed Apr 22 19:40:03 2020 From: a-fields at illinois.edu (Fields, A Belden) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 19:40:03 +0000 Subject: [Peace] Interesting and important interviews & comments from Jimmy Dore: interviews with Dylan Ratigan & Jane McAlevey, and analyzing Noam Chomsky's electoral advice & AOC's rebuttal In-Reply-To: <006201d618b6$7c1ce030$7456a090$@comcast.net> References: <006201d618b6$7c1ce030$7456a090$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Or, it might be proof that at 90 he still has his wits about him. Belden Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:59 AM, David Johnson via Peace wrote: > > ?With Chomsky's latest statement that we need to vote for Joe Biden, is proof that nobody is correct 100% of the time. He is only human and hence flawed like the rest of us. > > David J. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Karen Aram via Peace > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 9:28 AM > To: J.B. Nicholson > Cc: Peace Discuss; Peace > Subject: Re: [Peace] Interesting and important interviews & comments from Jimmy Dore: interviews with Dylan Ratigan & Jane McAlevey, and analyzing Noam Chomsky's electoral advice & AOC's rebuttal > > > Jeff, great job of providing us with the information necessary to delve beneath the surface. > > Jimmy Dore is doing a great job of doing just that. I liked his interview with Dylan Rattigan explaining what the oil crisis is, to those of us weak on the details. > > Though I generally don?t like focusing on the individual, Jimmy does it in order to uncloak the duplicity of AOC, which is necessary for those who think AOC or others who have risen to media attention, saying all the right things, are going to save us, or challenge authority, just because they grand stand and tell us so. > > My only problem with his latest was he targeted Pelosi as the all encompassing evil. She is, but the assumption that some may take from this is ? if we just remove Pelosi, all will be well.? No it won?t change a thing, as she is just the front man for so many others, owned by corporate capitalism. What we need is system change, and if any one dares challenge it within the system, they will be shut down, not promoted as ?celebrities of the left.? > > I didn?t see the interview with Jane McAlevey, or rebuttal in relation to Chomsky?s comments on the election. However, in looking at those promoting Janes? books, most are mainstream Democrats rarely challenging the system, other than Naomi Klein, who does so now with nuance and caution. > > As to Chomsky on the upcoming election. I read the interview done by Jacobin. Chomsky as usual defines the problem as capitalism. Then he recommends Biden. How can the ?greatest intellectual alive today" after analyzing the problem, then suggest a solution that supports the problem. > > It maybe hubris on my part to challenge ?the greatest intellectual alive today," someone who eight years ago, reading his many books, enlightened me to the many crimes the USG committed over the years, as well as who and why. Based upon everything I learned from him, I have to ask why? I agree global warming and nuclear war are real and serious impending threats to the very existence of mankind, but doing the same thing over and over again, supporting the same people as previous, the same who gave rise to a Trump, representing our system of corruption and decay, is insanity. > > Chomsky has never supported a third Party, says little of people in the streets, mass movements or challenging our government, whoever the administration, so I am a bit bewildered by his reluctance to challenge the system as is necessary. > > > > > >> On Apr 22, 2020, at 06:31, David Johnson via Peace wrote: >> >> Jeff, >> >> Thanks for composing these news digests. They are very helpful references. >> >> David J. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of J.B. Nicholson via Peace >> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 7:51 PM >> To: Peace Discuss; Peace >> Subject: [Peace] Interesting and important interviews & comments from Jimmy Dore: interviews with Dylan Ratigan & Jane McAlevey, and analyzing Noam Chomsky's electoral advice & AOC's rebuttal >> >> Jimmy Dore is still giving us the interviews you're not likely to catch elsewhere. On >> today's live show he spoke with author Jane McAlevey author of "A Collective Bargain: >> Unions, Organizing, and the Fight for Democracy". >> >> https://janemcalevey.com/book/a-collective-bargain-unions-organizing-and-the-fight-for-democracy/ >> >> McAlevey provides specific actionable advice on how to form a union, which unions are >> most likely to be amenable to work with you (nurses & teachers' unions), and she >> clearly calls for strikes among the workers we now see are indispensable (among them: >> grocery store clerks & delivery drivers not Wall St. traders despite what the >> establishment media tells you). My main objection is McAlevey's fleeting references >> to the sex of the amenable workers and Trump Derangement Syndrome[2]. But fortunately >> Dore is neither put off by it nor mired in that side issue in the interview. >> >> McAlevey, in response to what union busters aim to accomplish, quoted a union buster >> which I found referenced below: >> >> https://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-are-unions-20140227-story.html#axzz2uYgJ10ss >> https://archive.md/C9aG2 >> >>> Over the years, employers have developed an exquisite arsenal against union >>> organizing. For a succinct description of how the war is waged, Soltas needs to >>> examine ?Confessions of a Union Buster,?[1] the heartfelt memoir Martin Jay Levitt >>> published in 1993. >>> >>> ?I come from a very dirty business,? Levitt told a carpenters union audience >>> (after his conversion). As he described it, ?the enemy was the collective spirit. >>> I got hold of that spirit while it was still a seedling; I poisoned it, choked it, >>> bludgeoned it if I had to, anything to be sure it would never blossom into a >>> united work force, the dreaded foe of any corporate tyrant." >> [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-0gxca-VxM >> >> [2] Dore is much more pointed in his criticism of 'any blue will do' (a slogan >> advocating that one should support any Democrat no matter who they are, what their >> history is, or what they say they'll support/oppose) in his take on Noam Chomsky's >> endorsement of Joe Biden. You can also find Chomsky's advice to vote for Biden on >> recent episodes of Democracy Now and in an interview with Medhi Hasan (which is what >> Dore focuses on). >> >> >> >> And Dore & co. are still some the very few commentators with a proper sense of >> priority on how much the Democrats are not working for you. The so-called >> "progressive" Democrats -- Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez/AOC, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, >> and the rest of "the squad", as well as Bernie Sanders, and Elizabeth Warren have all >> been described as progressive -- are all useless to you because of how all but a >> handful of Congresspeople voted for the CARES Act (everyone voting in the Senate went >> along with it and those few objectors in the House sounded like they were all men, >> judging by the voice vote given). >> >> Despite that, AOC continues to lecture and gaslight us about our collective needs and >> not clearly and plainly say that she voted against CARES (because she actually voted >> for CARES and she knows it), didn't put in any effort to call for a recorded vote >> (and for a lame reason[3] that is no excuse to not call for a recorded vote), and >> didn't challenge her leadership on a recorded vote or the bill. The Democrats are >> fully behind our collective immiseration. See >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lwiP6JT3mQ for Dore's response and this is filled >> with questions the establishment-friendly media aren't asking. For all of her >> time-consuming bluster, AOC has not demonstrated the spine to appear on Jimmy Dore's >> show despite having an open invitation to appear so he can put these questions >> directly to her. >> >> See Dore's interview with Dylan Ratigan in >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1oERncbzPY on how anyone living on a stock-based >> retirement plan or pension is in fiscal trouble too. >> >> [3] Rep. Barbara Lee stood out as the sole House vote against the authorization to >> grant the 2003 US-led invasion of Iraq. She lost that fight. But she can forever turn >> to her constituents and argue that she made the correct call when it counted. AOC >> can't do that. We've heard the voice vote (which sounded like a small group of all >> men) and AOC has been cagey about describing her own choices (she never clearly said >> she voted against CARES, won't given Rep. Thomas Massey credit where credit is due >> for objecting to the point where the House had to have a voice vote, and erroneously >> claims that it would have "needlessly endanger[ed] folks" to have objected without 43 >> other Reps. joining her). These are reasons for her constituents to vote AOC out. >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net Wed Apr 22 23:00:54 2020 From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 18:00:54 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Interesting and important interviews & comments from Jimmy Dore: interviews with Dylan Ratigan & Jane McAlevey, and analyzing Noam Chomsky's electoral advice & AOC's rebuttal In-Reply-To: References: <006201d618b6$7c1ce030$7456a090$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <00c401d618f9$e151dc10$a3f59430$@comcast.net> No Belden, On the contrary. That is the one thing that Chomsky has been wrong about consistently for the last 30 YEARS. Same failed strategy. And where has this " Lesser evil " voting gotten us ? Look where we are at compared to 30 years ago. The Democratic party becoming worse by the year. Further and further to the right. Of course the bottom line problem here from your perspective is that 30 years of Neo-Liberal austerity obviously hasn't adversely affected you. So naturally you don't have a clue and could care less. Funny, I have NEVER heard you ever mention Chomsky until now. You should read his master work " Manufacturing Consent " . David J. -----Original Message----- From: Fields, A Belden [mailto:a-fields at illinois.edu] Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 2:40 PM To: David Johnson Cc: Karen Aram; J.B. Nicholson; Peace Discuss; Peace Subject: Re: [Peace] Interesting and important interviews & comments from Jimmy Dore: interviews with Dylan Ratigan & Jane McAlevey, and analyzing Noam Chomsky's electoral advice & AOC's rebuttal Or, it might be proof that at 90 he still has his wits about him. Belden Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:59 AM, David Johnson via Peace wrote: > > ?With Chomsky's latest statement that we need to vote for Joe Biden, is proof that nobody is correct 100% of the time. He is only human and hence flawed like the rest of us. > > David J. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Karen Aram via Peace > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 9:28 AM > To: J.B. Nicholson > Cc: Peace Discuss; Peace > Subject: Re: [Peace] Interesting and important interviews & comments from Jimmy Dore: interviews with Dylan Ratigan & Jane McAlevey, and analyzing Noam Chomsky's electoral advice & AOC's rebuttal > > > Jeff, great job of providing us with the information necessary to delve beneath the surface. > > Jimmy Dore is doing a great job of doing just that. I liked his interview with Dylan Rattigan explaining what the oil crisis is, to those of us weak on the details. > > Though I generally don?t like focusing on the individual, Jimmy does it in order to uncloak the duplicity of AOC, which is necessary for those who think AOC or others who have risen to media attention, saying all the right things, are going to save us, or challenge authority, just because they grand stand and tell us so. > > My only problem with his latest was he targeted Pelosi as the all encompassing evil. She is, but the assumption that some may take from this is ? if we just remove Pelosi, all will be well.? No it won?t change a thing, as she is just the front man for so many others, owned by corporate capitalism. What we need is system change, and if any one dares challenge it within the system, they will be shut down, not promoted as ?celebrities of the left.? > > I didn?t see the interview with Jane McAlevey, or rebuttal in relation to Chomsky?s comments on the election. However, in looking at those promoting Janes? books, most are mainstream Democrats rarely challenging the system, other than Naomi Klein, who does so now with nuance and caution. > > As to Chomsky on the upcoming election. I read the interview done by Jacobin. Chomsky as usual defines the problem as capitalism. Then he recommends Biden. How can the ?greatest intellectual alive today" after analyzing the problem, then suggest a solution that supports the problem. > > It maybe hubris on my part to challenge ?the greatest intellectual alive today," someone who eight years ago, reading his many books, enlightened me to the many crimes the USG committed over the years, as well as who and why. Based upon everything I learned from him, I have to ask why? I agree global warming and nuclear war are real and serious impending threats to the very existence of mankind, but doing the same thing over and over again, supporting the same people as previous, the same who gave rise to a Trump, representing our system of corruption and decay, is insanity. > > Chomsky has never supported a third Party, says little of people in the streets, mass movements or challenging our government, whoever the administration, so I am a bit bewildered by his reluctance to challenge the system as is necessary. > > > > > >> On Apr 22, 2020, at 06:31, David Johnson via Peace wrote: >> >> Jeff, >> >> Thanks for composing these news digests. They are very helpful references. >> >> David J. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of J.B. Nicholson via Peace >> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 7:51 PM >> To: Peace Discuss; Peace >> Subject: [Peace] Interesting and important interviews & comments from Jimmy Dore: interviews with Dylan Ratigan & Jane McAlevey, and analyzing Noam Chomsky's electoral advice & AOC's rebuttal >> >> Jimmy Dore is still giving us the interviews you're not likely to catch elsewhere. On >> today's live show he spoke with author Jane McAlevey author of "A Collective Bargain: >> Unions, Organizing, and the Fight for Democracy". >> >> https://janemcalevey.com/book/a-collective-bargain-unions-organizing-and-the-fight-for-democracy/ >> >> McAlevey provides specific actionable advice on how to form a union, which unions are >> most likely to be amenable to work with you (nurses & teachers' unions), and she >> clearly calls for strikes among the workers we now see are indispensable (among them: >> grocery store clerks & delivery drivers not Wall St. traders despite what the >> establishment media tells you). My main objection is McAlevey's fleeting references >> to the sex of the amenable workers and Trump Derangement Syndrome[2]. But fortunately >> Dore is neither put off by it nor mired in that side issue in the interview. >> >> McAlevey, in response to what union busters aim to accomplish, quoted a union buster >> which I found referenced below: >> >> https://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-are-unions-20140227-story.html#axzz2uYgJ10ss >> https://archive.md/C9aG2 >> >>> Over the years, employers have developed an exquisite arsenal against union >>> organizing. For a succinct description of how the war is waged, Soltas needs to >>> examine ?Confessions of a Union Buster,?[1] the heartfelt memoir Martin Jay Levitt >>> published in 1993. >>> >>> ?I come from a very dirty business,? Levitt told a carpenters union audience >>> (after his conversion). As he described it, ?the enemy was the collective spirit. >>> I got hold of that spirit while it was still a seedling; I poisoned it, choked it, >>> bludgeoned it if I had to, anything to be sure it would never blossom into a >>> united work force, the dreaded foe of any corporate tyrant." >> [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-0gxca-VxM >> >> [2] Dore is much more pointed in his criticism of 'any blue will do' (a slogan >> advocating that one should support any Democrat no matter who they are, what their >> history is, or what they say they'll support/oppose) in his take on Noam Chomsky's >> endorsement of Joe Biden. You can also find Chomsky's advice to vote for Biden on >> recent episodes of Democracy Now and in an interview with Medhi Hasan (which is what >> Dore focuses on). >> >> >> >> And Dore & co. are still some the very few commentators with a proper sense of >> priority on how much the Democrats are not working for you. The so-called >> "progressive" Democrats -- Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez/AOC, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, >> and the rest of "the squad", as well as Bernie Sanders, and Elizabeth Warren have all >> been described as progressive -- are all useless to you because of how all but a >> handful of Congresspeople voted for the CARES Act (everyone voting in the Senate went >> along with it and those few objectors in the House sounded like they were all men, >> judging by the voice vote given). >> >> Despite that, AOC continues to lecture and gaslight us about our collective needs and >> not clearly and plainly say that she voted against CARES (because she actually voted >> for CARES and she knows it), didn't put in any effort to call for a recorded vote >> (and for a lame reason[3] that is no excuse to not call for a recorded vote), and >> didn't challenge her leadership on a recorded vote or the bill. The Democrats are >> fully behind our collective immiseration. See >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lwiP6JT3mQ for Dore's response and this is filled >> with questions the establishment-friendly media aren't asking. For all of her >> time-consuming bluster, AOC has not demonstrated the spine to appear on Jimmy Dore's >> show despite having an open invitation to appear so he can put these questions >> directly to her. >> >> See Dore's interview with Dylan Ratigan in >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1oERncbzPY on how anyone living on a stock-based >> retirement plan or pension is in fiscal trouble too. >> >> [3] Rep. Barbara Lee stood out as the sole House vote against the authorization to >> grant the 2003 US-led invasion of Iraq. She lost that fight. But she can forever turn >> to her constituents and argue that she made the correct call when it counted. AOC >> can't do that. We've heard the voice vote (which sounded like a small group of all >> men) and AOC has been cagey about describing her own choices (she never clearly said >> she voted against CARES, won't given Rep. Thomas Massey credit where credit is due >> for objecting to the point where the House had to have a voice vote, and erroneously >> claims that it would have "needlessly endanger[ed] folks" to have objected without 43 >> other Reps. joining her). These are reasons for her constituents to vote AOC out. >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From jbn at forestfield.org Thu Apr 23 23:31:49 2020 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 18:31:49 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Videos run during AOTA & NFN timeslots Message-ID: <317e6737-7946-135c-669f-a2df3440e36f@forestfield.org> I recommended the following to run during AWARE on the Air & News from Neptune's timeslots. Julian Assange and WikiLeaks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG_9j6aquaY -- The Intercept: Glenn Greenwald's "System Update" episode (1h 21m 08s) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WeZ7Uvx5w8 (3m 19s) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzWd7OwP2e8 -- RT: report on court case against Spanish so-called security firm that spied on Assange's fiancee and children (5m 58s) COVID-19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gINlapady84 -- RT: documentary on the class divide in New York exposed by COVID-19 (17m 59s) Venezuela: coup attempts continue https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WGKRu3djLA -- RT: interview with economist Prof. Richard Wolff on Guaid? & the US seizing control of $342M of Venezuela's money (6m 36s) Iran & Syria https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J3dLd2BpyI -- RT: Is the US exploiting COVID-19 against Iran & Syria? (25m 46s) China https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbRRzJXNCg8 -- Grayzone: China's reality on the ground, Anya Parampil interview with Beijing-based journalist Daniel Alan Bey (24m 40s) Coming soon: Jimmy Dore interviews Chris Hedges: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sejW3NMzogo is live now and the archived video URL should be available soon and promises to offer some interesting analysis on recent political events including the US bailing out big businesses, why the largest bloc of registered American voters don't vote for POTUS, and whether anyone who voted for the bailout CARES bill (now law) will get voted out of office for doing so without even trying to get a recorded vote. I also recommend keeping an eye on Greenwald's new show "System Update with Glenn Greenwald" at https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLW0Gy9pTgVntTChFgj0xwMrsc1GO32-DZ The latest episode on Assange & WikiLeaks (titled "The Persecution of Julian Assange") is very good. That episode has Greenwald and guests who are all in the know and each express themselves clearly: Assange's lawyer and a Washington Post journalist -- yes, they still have a few of those! -- who reports on the facts of the case against Assange and not the emotional outbursts of hatred. -J From stuartnlevy at gmail.com Fri Apr 24 01:06:11 2020 From: stuartnlevy at gmail.com (Stuart Levy) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 01:06:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace] Urge Sen. Duckworth to sign on re restoring prohibition against landmines. Message-ID: (from WinWithoutWar) Apr 23, 2020 6:02:05 PM Michael Galant : We need answers from Secretary of Defense Esper. [https://s3.amazonaws.com/aktest-2011/images/win-without-war-logo.png] [https://act.winwithoutwar.org/go/22513?t=1&akid=6213%2E431130%2Ed8KgHQ] Stuart: In early 2020, the Trump administration quietly ended existing U.S. prohibitions against the use of landmines. This is a huge and dangerous step backwards. As hospitals around the world are overwhelmed with the coronavirus crisis, the Trump administration is removing prohibitions on landmines that kill and injure tens of thousands of people every year in Afghanistan, Burma, Cambodia, Egypt, Somalia, Iran, Laos, and beyond. Thankfully, Senator Pat Leahy and Representative Jim McGovern are leading a bicameral letter demanding Secretary of Defense Esper answer questions about the policy reversal and its implementation. It closes at the end of the month, meaning we have just days left to get as many members of Congress on board as possible. Stuart, Senator Tammy Duckworth has yet to sign on and ask Secretary Esper to explain and defend the decision to end landmines prohibitions. Will you send a letter NOW urging her to sign? [https://act.winwithoutwar.org/act/esper-must-answer-questions-on-landmines?source=em20200423&t=6&akid=6213%2E431130%2Ed8KgHQ] [https://s3.amazonaws.com/www-ak-assets/images/LandminesPetition_1.jpg] [https://act.winwithoutwar.org/act/esper-must-answer-questions-on-landmines?source=em20200423&t=7&akid=6213%2E431130%2Ed8KgHQ] Landmines don?t understand a ceasefire. They?re there until they are triggered, exploding everyone and everything within a 27-meter radius. Landmines don?t discriminate. They don?t know whether a child, an animal, or a servicemember is stepping on them, putting everyone ? especially children ? at risk of harm. 23 years ago, the United States failed to sign onto the Mine Ban Treaty in 1997 and condemn the use of anti-personnel landmines. In 2014, however, positive progress was made when President Obama announced that the United States would restrict deploying landmines outside of the Korean Peninsula (an unacceptable exception!). And that was U.S. policy until January 31, 2020, when the Trump administration announced the United States would end existing prohibitions against the use of landmines ? with little explanation and contrary to expert opinion. We deserve answers. Nearly 60 members of Congress have already signed Senator Leahy and Representative McGovern?s letter questioning the rationale and implications of this decision. Will you urge Sen. Duckworth to add her name? [https://act.winwithoutwar.org/act/esper-must-answer-questions-on-landmines?source=em20200423&t=8&akid=6213%2E431130%2Ed8KgHQ] Ending landmine prohibitions was ill-advised and unnecessary in January, and it?s especially ill-advised and unnecessary now ? as the world reels from an unprecedented public health crisis that has sickened millions and left at least 179,000 dead. Over the past 30 years, the number of landmine casualties has plummeted around the world. Trump?s decision reverses years of progress and countless lives saved. 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URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Fri Apr 24 02:18:39 2020 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 19:18:39 -0700 Subject: [Peace] An article by my good friend Isobel, and Walden Bello Message-ID: INTER PRESS SERVICE News Agency News and Views from the Global South Africa Asia-Pacific Europe Latin America & the Caribbean Middle East & North Africa North America Global Home Development & Aid Aid Education Energy Health Food & Agriculture Humanitarian Emergencies Poverty & SDGs Population Economy & Trade Financial Crisis Green Economy Labour Natural Resources Trade & Investment Cooperatives Environment Advancing Deserts Biodiversity Climate Change Green Economy Water & Sanitation Human Rights Armed Conflicts Crime & Justice Democracy Indigenous Rights LGBTQ Migration & Refugees Press Freedom Religion Global Governance Civilisations Find Alliances Eye On The IFIs Global Geopolitics Globalisation Peace South-South United Nations South-South G77 Regional Alliances Southern Aid & Trade Civil Society Active Citizens World Social Forum Conferences Gender Gender Violence Women & Economy Women & Climate Change Women?s Health Gender Identity Women In Politics Active Citizens , Development & Aid , Economy & Trade , Global , Headlines , Health , Humanitarian Emergencies , Labour , TerraViva United Nations OPINION Citizen Action is Central to the Global Response to COVID-19 By Isabel Ortiz and Walden Bello Reprint | | ?Print | A favela in Brazil, where the health system is not ready for coronavirus and social distancing difficult. NEW YORK and MANILA, Apr 22 2020 (IPS) - The coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic has created an unprecedented human and economic crisis. Governments are taking strong actions, enforcing quarantines to reduce contagion, testing populations, building emergency intensive care units. Governments have also launched large fiscal stimulus plans to protect jobs and the economy, as well as temporary social protection programs such as income/food support, subsidies to utilities and care services. But in many countries, even stronger actions are needed if we are to protect lives and jobs. States must respond adequately to this public emergency. Citizens must question if the measures implemented by their governments are sufficient and adequate. The following are important issues for citizens and civil society organizations (CSOs) to watch out at the country level: 1. It is time to invest in universal public health, not only emergency support. Given COVID-19, governments are advised to ramp up public health expenditures . Indeed, respirators, tests and masks are necessary, but countries need more than just emergency support. There is a risk that, as governments will become indebted, they continue with austerity cuts and privatizations that have been eroding public health systems in recent years, returning to a situation where millions are excluded from healthcare. Isabel Ortiz 2. Stimulating the economy and employment. This is much necessary to support job-generating enterprises during the COVID-19 lockdown. However, citizens need to be vigilant that fiscal stimulus do not go to the wrong hands, to large corporations avoiding taxes, to cronies, to the untaxed financial sector. If public funds are given to companies, it should be with strict conditions to stop tax evasion and share buybacks, undergo adequate regulation, cut obnoxious management bonusses, pay living wages and preserve employment. 3. Providing social protection, income and food support to people. These measures are extremely urgent if people are to be quarantined and are unable to telework. In developing countries, most work precariously in the informal economy and isolation is not possible, households will suffer hunger with no income. Given the low living conditions in most developing countries, policymakers should consider the need for universal social protection floors . 4. Governments need more executive powers to implement these measures. States and public policies have been weakened over the last decades by deregulations, privatizations and budget cuts. Better planning, better resources and better public policies for all citizens are needed, but it is important to ensure that far right and authoritarian leaders do not use the need for decisive executive action to grab more power for their own ends (eg. Brazil, Hungary, India, Philippines, US). Additionally, it is important for citizens and CSOs to push for the following measures at the global level: 5. Support for global public health, at stake is the survival of the planet. The coronavirus pandemic has revealed the weak state of global public health systems ? generally overburdened, underfunded and understaffed because of earlier austerity policies and privatizations. There is urgent need to improve the global governance of health, including the strengthening the WHO and UN agencies that support the extension of public health systems, as well as CSOs monitoring progress. 6. Put pressure on the international financial institutions such as the IMF and the development banks, so their policies support universal public health systems, jobs and social protection floors at present as well as after the COVID-19 emergency, including resources and fiscal space to finance them. 7. Given high sovereign debt levels, continue lobbying for debt forgiveness or radical debt relief to ensure that countries get the needed financing; or at least a debt moratoria, and later debt restructuring/relief. 8. Watch out that new debt and fiscal deficits created to respond to COVID-19 do not result in a new round of austerity cuts with negative social impacts that will undermine public health systems, jobs and social protection. 9. Ensure capital controls. Capital is flying North to safety, to the US, to Europe. Developing countries are going to be hard hit, not only because of the capital drain but also from the fall of commodity prices and others. Capital controls are easy to implement, with immediate results. Walden Bello 10. A Global Marshall Plan, or a Global Green New Deal . Global problems require global solutions; after the WW2, the US implemented a Marshall Plan to rebuild Europe. This time, no country alone can or should finance a global plan, it can be built as part of a progressive multilateralism. There are many ways to finance it, solidarity taxes to wealth may well be a best way to reduce inequalities and even up world?s development. It can be complemented by other measures such as issuing more Special Drawing Rights (SDRs) at the international organizations. The coronavirus pandemic has provided stark evidence of the weaknesses and extreme injustices of our world. We must not return to ?normality?, a world where half of its population is living below the poverty line of $5.50 a day. We must move away from an inequitable model based on unregulated finance and corporate power, blind to harmful social and environmental impacts. We must back away from a system that disregards the work of health staff, cleaners, garbage collectors, farmers, and instead reward with huge salaries corporate managers, football players, and others who do not perform any essential activity. Now citizens have the opportunity to move forward. As countries and enterprises recuperate from the crisis, they will have to rethink their economic model, including fewer links with global supply chains, and more links closer to home. It will be an important time for citizens and CSOs to press for ?deglobalization ?, making the domestic market again the center of gravity of the economy by preserving local production with decent jobs and green investments, and question global supply chains based on taking advantage of cheaper wages, lesser taxes and environmental regulations elsewhere. Now is the time for citizens to ensure that world leaders forcefully respond to the COVID-19 crisis, in accordance with human rights . This time it cannot be like many earlier crisis experiences, where insufficient support was provided, or ended in the wrong hands, bailing out banks not the population. Citizens and CSOs have a very important role to play to ensure that governments respond to people. Isabel Ortiz is Director of the Global Social Justice Program at the Initiative for Policy Dialogue, Columbia University, and former director of the International Labour Organization (ILO) and UNICEF. Walden Bello is senior analyst at the Bangkok-based Focus on the Global South and the International Adjunct Professor of Sociology at the State University of New York at Binghamton. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Fri Apr 24 14:12:37 2020 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 07:12:37 -0700 Subject: [Peace] The Moderate Rebels with Economist Michael Hudson/explains in simple language Message-ID: https://moderaterebels.com/transcript-us-coronavirus-bailout-michael-hudson/ Show notes and links Michael Hudson?s website: michael-hudson.com Michael Hudson, ?A debt jubilee is the only way to avoid a depression ,? The Washington Post, March 21, 2020 MMT research at New Economic Perspectives: neweconomicperspectives.org Transcript (Teaser ? 0:03) MICHAEL HUDSON: Just think of when, in the debates with Bernie, Sanders during the spring, you had Biden, and Klobuchar keep saying, ?What we?re paying for Medicare-for-All will be $1 trillion over 10 years.? Well here the Fed can create $1.5 trillion in one week just to buy stocks. Why is it okay for the Fed to create $1.5 trillion to buy stocks to prevent rich people from losing on their stocks, when it?s not okay to print only $1 trillion to pay for free Medicare for the entire population? This is crazy! The idea that only the rich should be allowed to print money for themselves, but the government should not be allowed to print money for any public purpose, any social purpose ? not for medicine, not for schools, not for personal budgets, not for full employment ? but only to give to the 1 percent. People hesitate to think that. They think, ?It can?t possibly be this bad.? But those of us who have worked on Wall Street, for 50, 60 years in my case, that?s what the numbers show. And that?s why you don?t have the media talking about actual numbers. They talk about, you know, just words, and they use euphemisms, and it?s the kind of Orwellian vocabulary, describing an inside-out world that they?re talking about. (Intro ? 1:58) BEN NORTON: The world is suffering right now from one of the worst economic crises in modern history. Definitely the worst crisis since the 2008 financial crash. And many economics experts are saying that we?re living through the worst recession actually since the Great Depression of 1929. Well joining us to discuss this today, we have one of the best contemporary economists, who is really well prepared to explain what has been going on in this global recession during the coronavirus pandemic. And specifically today we?re gonna talk about the $6 trillion bailout package that the US Congress has passed. The Trump administration is basically taking Obama?s corporate bailout on steroids, and injecting trillions of dollars into the corporate sector. And today to discuss what exactly the coronavirus bailout means, we are joined by the economist Michael Hudson. He is the author of many books. And in the second part of this episode we?re gonna talk about his book ?Super Imperialism: The Economic Strategy of American Empire.? So that?ll be much more in the vein of kind of traditional Moderate Rebels episodes, where we talk about imperialism, US foreign policy, and all of that. Michael Hudson is also a former Wall Street financial analyst, so he?s very well prepared to talk about just the financial thievery that goes on on Wall Street. And he is a distinguished research professor of economics at the University of Missouri, Kansas City. So Michael, let?s just get started here. Can you respond to this global depression that we?re living through right now amid the Covid-19 pandemic? And what do you think about this new bailout that was passed? (3:50) MICHAEL HUDSON: Well the word bailout, as you just pointed out, really was used by Obama, and the bailout only applies to the banks. The word coronavirus is just put in as an advertising slogan. Banks and corporations, airlines, have a whole sort of wish list that they have their lawyers and lobbyists prepare for just such an opportunity. And when the opportunity comes up ? whether it?s 9/11, with the Patriot Act, or whether it?s today?s coronavirus ? they just passed a coronavirus onto an act which is shouldn?t be called giveaway to the big bank banking sectors. Let?s talk about who?s not bailed out. Who?s not bailed out are the small business owners, the restaurants, the companies that you walk down the street in New York or other cities, and they?re all shuttered with closed signs. Their rent is accumulating, month after month. Restaurants, and gyms, and stores are small markup businesses and small margin businesses, where, once you have no sales for maybe three months, and rent accruing for three months, they?re not going to have enough money to earn the profits to pay the rents that have mounted up for the last three months. The other people that are not being bailed out are the people, the workers ? especially the people they call the prime necessary workers, which is their euphemism for minimum-wage workers, without any job security. There have been huge layoffs of minimum-wage labor, manual labor, all sorts of labor. They?re not getting income, but their rents are accruing. And their utility bills are accruing. Their student loans are accruing. And their credit card debts are mounting up at interest and penalty rates, which are even larger than the interest rates. So all of these debts are accruing. And the real explosion is going to come in three months, when all of a sudden, this money falls due. The governor of New York has said, ?Well we have a moratorium on actually evicting people for three months.? So there are restaurants and other people, individuals, wage-earners, who are going to be able to live in their apartments and not be evicted. But at the end of three months, that?s when the eviction notices are going to come. And people are going to decide, is it worth it? Well especially restaurants are going to decide. And they?re going to say, well there is no way that we can make the money to pay, because we haven?t had the income to pay. And they?re just going to go out of business. They?re not going to be helped. The similar type of giveaway occurred after 9/11. I had a house for 20 years in Tribeca, one block from the World Trade Center. And the money was given by the government to the landlords but not to the small businesses that rented there ? the Xerox shops and the other things. The landlords took all of the ostensible rent loss for themselves, and still tried to charge rent out to the xerox shops, and the food shops, and ended up collecting twice, and driving them out. So you?re having the pretense of a bailout, but the bailout really is an Obama-style bailout. It goes to the banks; it goes to those companies that have drawn up wish lists by their lobbyists, such as the airlines, Boeing, the large banks. The banks and the real estate interests are going to be the biggest gainers. They have changed the real estate law so that the real estate owners, for a generation, will be income tax free. They are allowed to charge depreciation, and have other fast write-offs, to pretend that their real estate is losing value, regardless of whether it?s going up and up in value. Donald Trump says that he loves that depreciation, because he pretends that he?s losing money, and gets it is a tax write-off, even while his property prices go up. So there?s a lot of small prints. And the devil is all in the small print of the giveaway. And then President Trump has his own half-a-trillion-dollar slush fund that he says he doesn?t have to inform a Congress or be subject to any Freedom of Information Law, that he gets to go to his backers in the Republican States. And even for the money that is going out to states and municipalities, they?re left broke. Imagine New York City and other states. Most states in the United States, and cities, have balanced budget constitutional restrictions. That means they?re not allowed to run a deficit. Now if these states and cities have to pay unemployment insurance, have to pay carrying charges on the schools and public services, and are not getting the sales taxes, not getting the income taxes, from the restaurants and all the businesses that are closed, or from the workers that are laid off, they?re going to be left with a huge deficit. Nothing is done about that. There has been no attempt to save them. So three months from now, you?re going to have broke states, broke municipalities, labor that cannot, whose savings was wiped out. As I?m sure you?ve reported on your show, the Federal Reserve says that half of Americans do not have $400 for emergency saving. Well now they?re going to be running up thousands of dollars of rent and monthly bills. So the disaster is about to hit. They will not be bailed out. But no investment, investor, really will lose. And you?ve seen last week, the stock market made the largest jump since the depression ? the largest jump in in 90 years. And that?s because Trump says, ?The economy is the stock market, and the stock market is the 1 percent.? So from the very beginning, his point of reference for the market and for the economy is the 1 percent. The 99 percent are simply overhead. Industry is an overhead. Agriculture is an overhead. And labor is an overhead, to what really is a financialized economy that is writing the whole bailout. It?s not a bailout ? it?s a huge giveaway that makes them richer than they ever were before. (10:48) BEN NORTON: Yeah and Michael, related to that ? you mentioned that fine print is important. But I also have a kind of bigger question. And I don?t really know where exactly these numbers come from. Officially the bailout is $2 trillion. Many media outlets reported it as effectively $4 trillion. But actually, according to Larry Kudlow ? who is the director of the US National Economic Council, he?s the Trump administration?s kind of chief economist ? Larry Kudlow is now saying that it?s actually $6 trillion in total, which is a quarter of all of US GDP. And that includes $4 trillion in lending power for the Federal Reserve, as well as $2 trillion in the aid package. So there is discussion of this aid package, but actually the aid package of $2 trillion is actually half the size of the $4 trillion that is given to the Federal Reserve. What exactly is that $4 trillion that the Federal Reserve has? Is this some kind of slush fund, or how does it work? (11:52) MICHAEL HUDSON: No, the Federal Reserve was given special powers to create 10 times as many loans or swaps as others. So the Federal Reserve says we?re in ? the Federal Reserve represents the commercial banks and the commercial investors. Now here?s the problem: a lot of companies were issuing junk bonds. They were going way down in price, especially junk bonds for the fracking industry. The Federal Reserve says, ?We?re going to be backed up by the Treasury. We can just create ? as you know, Modern Monetary Theory ? we can just create money on a computer, and swap. So we will, say, ?Give us your poor.? It?s like the Statue of Liberty: ?Give us your poor, your oppressed,? or Aladdin?s old lamps for new: Give us all your junk bonds, and we will give you a bona fide Federal Reserve deposit.? So the Federal Reserve has been pumping trillions and trillions of dollars into the stock market. That?s what?s been pushing up the stock market, the Federal Reserve. The bailout has gone to the stock market. As if the stock market got coronavirus! Stocks don?t get coronavirus! They don?t get sick on the virus! And yet it?s the stock market that?s going up through the Federal Reserve. There?s also another $2 trillion dollars, $2 to $4 trillion that the US government has, over and above the $2 trillion that?s going to the people. So most of the calculations that have been published cite it as a $10 trillion bailout. Of which the newspapers, to avoid embarrassing Mr. Trump, only refer to the money given to the the wage earners. And they?re sort of embarrassed that the vast majority are given to the financial sector that doesn?t need a bailout, but that doesn?t want to lose a single penny from the virus. So when you see the stock market recovered almost to what it was before the virus, while the economy is going down, you realize, wait a minute they?re saving the 1 percent, or the 10 percent of the population that own 85 percent of the stocks and bonds. They?re saving the banks. They?re not saving the people, and they?re not saving the economy; they?re not saving industry; and they?re not saving small businesses. So it?s an amazing hypocrisy that the mainstream press is not discussing, which is why your show is so important. (14:29) MAX BLUMENTHAL: Yeah and here in Washington, DC, we got I think $500 million from the, I guess what you accurately describe as the stock market bailout. And that?s a lot less than a number of red states that are less populous than Washington, DC got. So there?s a massive shafting here. And then the city has only been able to provide for certain parts of the economy. Undocumented immigrants, who do a lot of work here, got nothing from the city. Vendors, which are a big part of the informal economy in DC, even though they have to be regulated, got nothing. And then you mention all of these sectors of the economy ? young people, college-educated young people who are deep in debt, and therefore less inclined to spend ? are getting shafted here. So you have called for a solution ? well I guess, knowing so many of those people, they contribute so little to the economy because they can?t; they?re just putting all their money into debt. So you have called for a debt jubilee. You say that debts that can?t be paid won?t be, and this is the best way out. Maybe you can explain to our viewers and listeners what that is and why it would be the best remedy? (15:42) MICHAEL HUDSON: Well here?s what happens if you don?t write down the debts that are just going to accrue in the next three months: If you don?t say, ?The rents will not have to be paid, and workers will not have to pay the debts that mount up,? if you leave those debts on the books, and you make the workers liable to keep paying the student debts, and the other debts, and the mortgage debts, and the rents, then they?re not going to have any money left to buy goods and services. When it?s all over, they?re going to get their paychecks, and off the top is going to be the wage withholding, and the tax withholding, and the Medicare, and if they don?t want to get kicked out of their houses, they?re going to have to pay all of this money that?s accrued while they?re not making an income. So you?re going to have a shrinkage of the economy, a vast shrinkage. How can they afford to buy anything but the most basic necessities, the cheapest food, the necessary transport? Obviously they?re not going to buy the kinds of goods and services that are supposed to be part of the circular flow. The whole of economics textbook say employers pay the workers so the workers can have enough money to buy what they produce. But the workers don?t spend their income only on what they produce. They spend most of their income on rent, on debt service, on taxes, on finance, insurance, and real estate. And this is the only part of the economy that is being enabled to survive. So how can you have the superstructure of rents and debts, of insurance charges, on an economy that doesn?t have the income to buy goods and services? And if they can?t buy goods and services, you?re going to have the stores closing down, because people can?t afford to buy what the stores are selling. You?re going to have a whole wave of closures. And you?re going to go down the streets, and certainly in cities like New York, or where I live in Queens, just outside of Manhattan, where block after block, they?re going to be ?For rent? signs. It?s going to be empty. And the only way to avoid that is for a debt write-down. Now you?ve had this occurring for 5,000 years. I?ll give you an example that may be easy to understand. In Babylonia, we have the Laws of Hammurabi, in 1800 BC. One of the laws says that, if ? in Babylonia you only had, when you would buy beer or other things, they would write it on a tab in the bar, in the ale house, and all the debts were owed when the harvest was in. You?d pay the debt seasonally. Well Hammurabi said, if there?s a drought, or if there?s a flood, then you don?t have to pay the debts. Most debts were owed to the palace, and others. And he said, ?The reason we?re doing this is, if we don?t do that, then you?re going to have these debtors become debt servants, bond servants to the creditors; they?re going to owe their labor to the creditors; they?re going to lose their land to the creditors; and they won?t be able to work on public infrastructure projects; they won?t work for Babylonia; they won?t serve in the army, and we can be invaded; and they won?t be able to use their crops as taxes, because they?ll owe the crops as debts. So we?re going to write it down.? So the whole idea for thousands of years, of every Near Eastern ruler starting his reign by writing down the debts, was to begin everything in balance. Because they realized, just mathematically, debts grow at compound interest. You?ve seen the coronavirus increase at an exponential rate. That?s how debts accumulate interest, at an exponential rate. But the economy grows in an s-curve, and then it tapers off. The American economy, the GDP since the Obama bailouts of 2008, the entire growth of the GDP has only accrued to 5 percent of the population. 95 percent of the GDP, the population for 95 percent, the industry, agriculture, that?s actually gone down. So we?re already in a 12-year depression, the Obama depression, that they like to call a recession, because most of the media are Democratic Party people. But you?re going to have this recession turn into a genuine depression, and it will continue until the public debt, that is state local debts, written down; the mortgage debts written down; and the personal debts written down, starting with the student loans, the most obviously unpayable debt. And the choices, do you want to depression, or do you want the banks to be able to collect all the economic surplus for themselves? Well Donald Trump, supported unanimously by the Democratic Congress, says, ?We want to protect the banks, not the population, not the economy. Let the economy shrink, as long as our constituents, the donor class, are able to avoid making a loss. Let?s make the loss borne by the 99 percent, not our donor class.? (21:17) BEN NORTON: Yeah, and Michael, you mentioned something, getting back to the Federal Reserve and understanding how this whole system works. I mean frankly it seems to me to kind of be a house of cards. But you mentioned this idea of Modern Monetary Theory and just kind of creating money out of nothing. Can you talk more about that? You know this is a term that?s become more prominent, especially on the left: MMT, modern monetary theory. There are socialists who argue in support of MMT and then there are others who are kind of skeptical of the whole notion that you can just print all this money to fund these social programs that you want to create, and that it won?t create inflation. But at the same time, you and other people point out that that?s exactly how the economy already works. Where for instance, you want to fund a war, there?s never ? you know frequently when someone on the left asks for universal health care or free public education, members not only of the Republican Party but many neoliberal Democrats often say, ?Well yeah, where are you gonna get the money from?? And the response of some of the MMT supporters is, ?Well we just fund the program, and we just create the money because we control the creation of the dollar.? And we see that same attitude used actually by the Federal Reserve right now, but to bail out Wall Street. ?Yeah we?re just gonna print? ? they printed $1.5 trillion, and then just gave it, they just injected it right into Wall Street. So does that not create inflation, or what exactly is happening economically there? I mean to me, it seems like a scam; it seems like totally a scam. (22:59) MICHAEL HUDSON: Since 2008, you have had the greatest inflation of money in history. And you have also had the greatest inflation in history, but it?s entirely asset price inflation. You?re absolutely right: the money has gone into the stock market and the bond market, to hold down bond prices, meaning you?ve had the biggest bond boom in history. You?ve had a huge stock market boom. But consumer prices have gone down. So here you have an enormous amount of money creation, and consumer prices and real wages have been drifting down. So they are really two economies. The question is, are you going to create money for public purposes by spending it into the economy, on industry, agriculture, and the goods and service production and consumption economy, or are you going to put it into the financial economy? Well if you put a bank loan ? the whole way of our banking system is that banks create credit. If you go into a bank and you take out a loan, you say, I?m gonna borrow $5,000 for something. The banker doesn?t go and say, let me see if we have any money to loan you; he says, okay I will write a loan on my computer. I will credit your deposit with $5,000, and you will sign this IOU, and we have an asset. And the asset is $5000, on which we?re going to charge interest on what we pay you. So it?s just done by computer, on a balance sheet. And as long as money is created on a computer, the only cost is the electricity used to make that debt record. Now the banks, when they make a loan, they very rarely make loans just against ? here?s just free money. They say, okay if we?re going to make a loan, well 80 percent of their loans are against real estate. So they say, in case you can?t pay, you?re pledging your real estate, the home you?re buying, or the commercial building you?re buying as collateral. So we?ll lend you up to 80 percent, maybe 100 percent, of the value of what you?re buying, and that?s the collateral we have. So we lend against collateral. Well if you lend the money against collateral to buy a building, or to buy stocks and bonds, which are the other collateral, then obviously this money you?re creating to buy houses, or commercial real estate, or stocks and bonds are going to bid the price up. Banks don?t give loans for people who say, I want to go shopping and buy more goods because I need the money. That may be a little bit, that?s what credit cards are for, but that?s a small portion of the overall money supply. So banks don?t make loans to buy goods and services; they make loans to buy assets that obviously inflate the price of assets. And the more money that you pay for houses that are rising in price, or medical insurance, or stocks and bonds, to make a retirement income for your pension fund; the more money you pay for houses that are inflating in price because of bank credit, the less money you have to buy goods and services. So actually the more money they create, the more consumer prices for goods and services fall. It?s the exact opposite of the usual theory. I have on my website I have many articles about that, and I have something today in Counterpunch on that, it?s on sort of how the economy works the opposite of the way the textbook says. Now unfortunately the left-wing doesn?t really study finance and money much. The whole discussion of finance and money has been monopolized by the right-wing, so left-wingers think, they don?t realize that they?re picking up a kind of junk theory of monetary relations and debt relations that?s all picked up from the right-wing of the political spectrum. It?s a kind of parallel universe. That?s not how the economy really works, but in a way that sort of is easy to understand. And it?s very easy to make an erroneous, oversimplified view of the world easy to understand. And when it?s repeated again and again and again, in the media, the New York Times and MSNBC, people really think that, well, maybe that?s how the world works ? more money is going to push up prices, so we better not push for it, we better go along with trickle-down theory. And most of the left believes in trickle-down theory. The Democratic Party leadership is absolutely convinced, if you just give enough money to the top 1 percent, or 5 percent, or Wall Street, it?ll all trickle down. (27:49) BEN NORTON: Well of course the Democratic Party is not the left. MICHAEL HUDSON: That?s right, but it pretends to be. And it has crowded out the left. It has ? you can see in the recent election primaries that its job is to protect the Republican Party from any critique by the left, interjecting itself in between the Republican Party and any possible reform movement. BEN NORTON: Exactly. (28:20) MAX BLUMENTHAL: Well they stood up really strongly against the bailout ? I mean what was it, 96 to nothing? And in the voice vote, I was listening to the voice vote last night in the House; I didn?t hear AOC?s voice against it. MICHAEL HUDSON: They did a voice so that nobody ? everybody could say, ?Oh it wasn?t me!? MAX BLUMENTHAL: No, no! So you mentioned that foreclosure king Steve Mnnuchin gets like a $500 billion slush fund. I haven?t heard much discussion about that. What will he do with this sort of opaque slush fund, and how will this ? I mean it?s a leading question, but how will this kind of reinforce or consolidate inequality for the next generation? (29:10) MICHAEL HUDSON: Well gee, I hope he gives some of it to Kamala Harris, who was the attorney general who let him do all of this, and who thoroughly backed him and led the foreclosure, was the iron fist behind his foreclosure program. So I?m sure he?ll press for Kamala to be the vice president on the ticket. The Democrats have a problem. How can they guarantee that they have their candidate win? Their candidate is Donald Trump. How can they make sure that they have such a weak candidate that he?s sure to lose to Donald Trump? And the choice is, we?ll get a vice president that?s so unpopular that they?re sure to lose. Now it?s a race between Kamala Harris and the Minnesota lady. MAX BLUMENTHAL: Klobuchar? The one who throws staplers at her staff. She seems very charming. MICHAEL HUDSON: Uh, I don?t know about that. But my wife can?t even look at her on television. But I think that the pretense is that she?ll help get Minnesota, as if Minnesotans, where I?m from, are so dumb just to vote for somebody from there. But by getting Minnesota, they?ll lose the whole rest of the country. So I think she?ll be the vice president, because that guarantees a Trump victory. And that will enable the Democrats to say, here ? they?ll have the president they want, that is for their donor class, but they can say, ?That?s not us; that?s the Republicans.? So that?s the Democratic strategy. MAX BLUMENTHAL: Right, then they can raise loads of money for the ?Resistance,? and all of the outside think tanks. And that was the old Republican, William F. Buckley strategy, is we?re better throwing rocks out side the building and raising a ton of money for the National Review than actually having to govern. And that seems like the Democratic strategy. But I guess I was asking about how you see the economy transforming, because the Obama bailout sort of transformed it or consolidated the gig economy, where everyone has to work three to five jobs, and what was supposed to be a highly educated middle class is deeply in debt. Where do you see it after this next tranche of stock market bailouts? (31:29) MICHAEL HUDSON: Ok, let?s look at three months from now. Smaller companies are going to be squeezed, because all of their expenses are going to go up. Small companies have had to run up debts, and they have all sorts of other problems, and their earnings, their prospective profits, are not going to look that good. Because there?s not going to be a market for the things that they sell, because of the debt deflation that I talked about. So what?s going to happen? You?re going to have a bonanza for private equity capital. The liquid, the 1 percent that have access to bank credit, and I have their own equity capital, are going to come in and pick up a lot of real estate that?s going to be defaulted on ? just like they did after Obama evicted his constituency, the mob with pitchforks, and evicted them. They?re going to pick up, Blackstone will pick up more real estate. Big companies are going to pick up small companies. So you?re going to emerge with a highly monopolized economy, much more centralized. The important thing to realize about free-market economics and libertarianism, is libertarians advocate central planning; the Chicago School of monetarists advocate central planning; the free marketers want central planning. The banks are the planners, not the government. They want to exclude the government from planning, except to the extent that they can take over the government, as Trump has done, and plan all of the income to be transferred to themselves from the rest of the economy. So we?re going to have a much more centrally planned by a coalition of monopolies and the government. In the 1930s, that was called fascism. MAX BLUMENTHAL: It?s what we call a ?public-private partnership? or something. MICHAEL HUDSON: Right. MAX BLUMENTHAL: Just really quickly, and maybe we can kind of transition after this, but you mentioned Blackstone. I think this is one of the key components of the bailout. They own so much stake in so many of the companies getting bailed out. Can you just describe their role and what they are? (33:38) MICHAEL HUDSON: It?s appropriate that they were put in charge of bailout. So if they?re the largest company buying up defaulted real estate and buying, picking up the weak ? it?s called moving assets from the weak hands to the strong ? then they might as well be put in charge, because they?re going to be the company doing all the grabbing. So of course they?re in charge of it. It?s called grabitization. That was their word for privatization in the 1990s. So grabitization is I think a better word than public-private partnership. It?s not really a partner; it?s sort of a one-way partnership; there?s one subsidiary partner. It?s really financialization and grabitization. MAX BLUMENTHAL: Right, just the looting of state assets. BEN NORTON: Going back one step here, Michael, you were talking about the way that people should think about how the economy actually works. And I mentioned MMT. Can you kind of just walk through that again? Because you were talking about how actually, when the Fed creates ? I mean really to me, as someone, I?m definitely not an economics expert, I just don?t understand really how this whole process works, because to me it just seems simply like, they?re literally just creating money and just giving it to banks, and corporate elites, and rich people. I mean maybe that?s what it is. But I don?t understand, this is like the biggest scheme I can imagine, where the Federal Reserve is creating all of this money, printing ? they?re physically printing money is my understanding. And then they?re just giving it to these banks, to bondholders. And then, but you said that what does is, instead of actually creating inflation, all that does is, if I understood correctly, it boosts the value of assets like real estate, while at the same time deflating wages and commodity prices. So if that?s the case, then how should people who are advocating for socialized programs like Medicare for All, free public education, and maternity leave, and childcare, and all of these programs that the Bernie Sanders campaign and movement have been advocating for, how should we talk about the way to pay for all of those programs, if the reality of the economy is that the Fed is printing trillions of dollars, and then just giving that cash to banks? (36:11) MICHAEL HUDSON: Well I think the reason you?re having trouble understanding MMT is because what you described is what?s happening, but you think, ?But that?s unfair!? And there?s a tendency to think, if it?s unfair ? MAX BLUMENTHAL: It?s not just unfair. It?s the biggest scheme I can imagine. There?s no other word other than just a con scheme. MICHAEL HUDSON: Yes, and the brain recoils from thinking, ?Can the government really be doing that to us?? Well, yes it can. And just think of when, in the debates with Bernie, Sanders during the spring, you had Biden, and Klobuchar keep saying, ?What we?re paying for Medicare-for-All will be $1 trillion over 10 years.? Well here the Fed can create $1.5 trillion in one week just to buy stocks. Why is it okay for the Fed to create $1.5 trillion to buy stocks to prevent rich people from losing on their stocks, when it?s not okay to print only $1 trillion to pay for free Medicare for the entire population? This is crazy! The idea that only the rich should be allowed to print money for themselves, but the government should not be allowed to print money for any public purpose, any social purpose ? not for medicine, not for schools, not for personal budgets, not for full employment ? but only to give to the 1 percent. People hesitate to think that. They think, ?It can?t possibly be this bad.? But those of us who have worked on Wall Street, for 50, 60 years in my case, that?s what the numbers show. And that?s why you don?t have the media talking about actual numbers. They talk about, you know, just words, and they use euphemisms, and it?s the kind of Orwellian vocabulary, describing an inside-out world that they?re talking about. They will buy stock; they?ll say we?re going to buy a million shares of Boeing; they?ll just write a check, and the check will be Federal Reserve, and people will get the money, and the Federal Reserve ? you can create a deposit, just like a banker will write you a loan when you go in and borrow, and there will be a computer, the Fed can do the same thing. Stephanie Kelton, my department chairman for many years at the University of Missouri at Kansas City, describes this. The University of Missouri?s website, New Economic Perspectives has a description of it. So if people want to google either her, UMKC, or what I?ve written, or Randall Wray at the Levy Institute, you?ll get, it?ll walk you through. And it?s something that you have to ? if you?re not already thinking in terms of balance sheets, which most people don?t, you have to sort of just do it again, read it again and again and again, and then all of a sudden, ?Ah, now I get. It?s a ripoff! It?s created out of nothing. Now I get it.? BEN NORTON: It?s just a house of cards. To me it proves the kind ? there used to be this kind of very blunt orthodox Marxist view that the economy strictly follows politics, and it seems to me this is a case where the economy is just created by politics. MICHAEL HUDSON: That?s true, and that?s not an un-Marxist position. Marx did distinguish between oligarchies and democracies, and finance capitalist economies and industrial capitalist economies. MAX BLUMENTHAL: Right. And the $17 billion for ?urgent national security measures? was straight into the pockets of Boeing, which had its 737 maxes falling out of the sky, and had been clamoring for this bailout for a long time. I mean you saw 3M, the maker of these masks which are suddenly unavailable, gained a total exemption from lawsuits, if the masks that it mass-produced now somehow failed. So all of these things stuffed into the bailout were what industry and finance had been clamoring for for years. And they finally had the opportunity to do it. (Outro ? 40:38) BEN NORTON: All right, we?re gonna take a pause there. That was the end of part one of our interview here with the economist Michael Hudson. He is a Wall Street financial analyst, a distinguished research professor of economics at the University of Missouri Kansas City, and of course the author of many books on economics. You can find some of his work at michael-hudson.com . We will link to that in the show notes. He has interviews with transcripts and articles. You can also find some of his economics work and the work of some of his like-minded colleagues at the economics department at the University of Missouri Kansas City website. I will link to that as well in the show notes. You can find the show notes at moderaterebels.com . In part two of this episode, we?re going to continue our discussion of the house of cards that is the international financial system, the economic system. And in the second part we?re going to talk about his book ?Super Imperialism: The Economic Strategy of American Empire.? This is an incredible book. You know here at Moderate Rebels, Max and I frequently talk about the political and military side of imperialism. Michael Hudson just spells out, in easy-to-understand terms, how imperialism works at an economic level, how the US government and the Treasury, through the backing of military force, force countries around the world to buy US bonds, Treasury bonds, and how there?s basically just a con scheme where countries pay for their own US military occupation through buying US Treasury bonds. Michael Hudson explains that all in really simple terms. And we also talk about the rise of China, and how China does pose a so-called threat, in scare quotes, to not the American people but rather to the hegemony of the US financial system ? and the main financial instruments, the weapons that the US uses to maintain that hegemony, the International Monetary Fund, the IMF, and the World Bank. And Hudson describes how, in his terms, the IMF, and the World Bank, specifically, are some of the most evil institutions that are really maintaining the American dictatorial, authoritarian chokehold on the global financial system. If you want to support this program, Moderate Rebels, and the kind of independent interviews we do like this, giving a platform to some of these voices who you?re never going to hear in mainstream corporate media, you can go to Patreon.com/ModerateRebels . Please consider supporting us. And definitely join us in part. See you soon. Share this: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbn at forestfield.org Fri Apr 24 23:18:02 2020 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 18:18:02 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Interesting and important interviews & comments from Jimmy Dore: interviews with Dylan Ratigan & Jane McAlevey, and analyzing Noam Chomsky's electoral advice & AOC's rebuttal In-Reply-To: <83e5e95c-80b0-623a-bd9f-481629c8290a@forestfield.org> References: <83e5e95c-80b0-623a-bd9f-481629c8290a@forestfield.org> Message-ID: <887da07b-c1b9-ca9d-5a59-791678a93277@forestfield.org> I wrote: > Jimmy Dore is still giving us the interviews you're not likely to catch elsewhere. On > today's live show he spoke with author Jane McAlevey author of "A Collective Bargain: > Unions, Organizing, and the Fight for Democracy". > > https://janemcalevey.com/book/a-collective-bargain-unions-organizing-and-the-fight-for-democracy/ You can see these interview segments on YouTube starting today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3UeVTxZHC8 -- How to start a successful strike during crisis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH9beRXMxwk -- Many strikes are coming You can bet these will be on my list of recommended videos to play during News from Neptune's timeslot. How correct is McAlevey likely to be? I think the answer comes in the form of recent media stories such as this article from the LA Times: From https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-17/usc-coronavirus-survey > Less than half of L.A. County residents still have jobs amid coronavirus crisis > > By Jaclyn Cosgrove, Staff Writer April 17, 2020 > 7 AM > UPDATED 10:48 AM > > Because of the colossal impact that the coronavirus outbreak has had on the U.S. > economy, less than half of Los Angeles County residents ? 45% compared with 61% > in mid-March ? still hold a job, a decline of 16 percentage points, or an > estimated 1.3 million jobs, according to findings from a national survey released > Friday. > > The survey also suggests that 25.5 million jobs have been potentially lost across > the U.S. since mid-March, and that people of color, especially black Americans, > are more likely to have lost their jobs since mid-March. > > Nationally, 15% of white people said they had lost their jobs, while 18% of > Latinos and 21% of black people reported job losses. 523444_ME_Covina_3_RCG.JPG > California These striking photos reveal how California is changing > > But a significant majority of job losses, 67% nationally, were reported as > temporary layoffs. Angelenos reported similar experiences. > > ?Under normal circumstances losing a job without access to benefits would be bad > enough, but in the current situation, chances of finding a new job are likely to > be close to nonexistent,? Arie Kapteyn, director of the USC Dornsife Center for > Economic and Social Research, which administers the tracking survey, said in a > statement. ?These changes are nothing less than catastrophic for those affected.? > > The Understanding Coronavirus in America Study, led by the USC Dornsife Center, > has been surveying a panel of nearly 5,500 adults in the United States about > their perceptions and attitudes regarding the coronavirus outbreak and how it?s > affecting their lives since mid-March. And from what I'd bet will soon become one of the most looked-up Wikipedia pages -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_depression > Unemployment in the U.S. rose to 23% and in some countries rose as high as 33%. relative to this recent RT interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9nLsrDeB4Y -- Trump adviser Stephen Moore says jobless rate will soon reach 20%. Don't expect much from this interview with Larry King (one of two shows RT runs which scarcely challenges the establishment or the viewer's intellect, the other show being the new Dennis Miller show). But the unemployment figure is staggering. And finally consider: https://www.wsj.com/articles/nearly-a-third-of-u-s-renters-didnt-pay-april-rent-11586340000 > Nearly a Third of U.S. Apartment Renters Didn?t Pay April [in the year 2020] Rent > > Nearly a third of U.S. apartment renters didn?t pay any of their April rent > during the first week of the month, according to new data to be released Wednesday > by the National Multifamily Housing Council and a consortium of real-estate data > providers. > > The numbers are the first hard look at how many Americans are struggling to make > rent during the coronavirus pandemic. The data come in the first of weekly > reports on unpaid rent from NMHC, a landlord trade group. [...] Reports on the same survey also come from other establishment-friendly outlets: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/09/business/americans-rent-payment-trnd/index.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-fallout-onethird-of-americans-missed-rent-payments-in-april-135654889.html https://www.cbsnews.com/news/april-rent-one-third-did-not-pay-multifamily-housing-council/ I point out these sources merely to drive home the point that some stories of immiseration are apparently unignorable, even for the establishment-friendly media (the same media that built on republishing WikiLeaks leaks and now tries to distance themselves from any news of how Julian Assange is being tortured and subjected to a petri dish where he may well catch Coronavirus, the virus that causes COVID-19). -J From karenaram at hotmail.com Fri Apr 24 23:54:12 2020 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 16:54:12 -0700 Subject: [Peace] Fwd: Tomorrow! Join the 40+ cities mobilizing for Cancel The Rents Car Protests! References: <5ea333679e1bf_7c23b3cf54872dd@asgworker-qmb3-14.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> Message-ID: > > > Home About Join Us Support Sign up > Tomorrow, Saturday, April 25 -- Join the 40+ cities that are mobilizing in cities and towns across the country for the National Day of Car Protests to demand: A national cancellation of all rents, mortgages for homeowners, small landlords and small businesses, for the duration of the Pandemic. > > Join a protest near you! > Protesters will stay in their vehicles to adhere to social distancing guidelines while standing up for the people?s right to housing. While we and society recognize the First Amendment and the exercise of First Amendment rights as essential, our April 25, 2020 ?Cancel the Rents? car caravan will practice the socially responsible regulations outlined in the state or citywide "shelter-in-place" executive orders, including physical distancing and mask-wearing. We believe that we must act now to defend the essential right of all people to housing during and after the COVID-19 crisis. > > The patchwork of city and state moratoriums on evictions are not enough. In a few months when these moratoriums are lifted and the rents come due -- we will still not have the money! Join thousands of people across the country in car caravan protests tomorrow Saturday, April 25 to demand the cancellation of rent and all debts to landlords for the duration of the pandemic. > > Learn more at: CancelTheRents.org > > > Share on social media to help spread the word! > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From a-fields at illinois.edu Sat Apr 25 02:59:15 2020 From: a-fields at illinois.edu (Fields, A Belden) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 02:59:15 +0000 Subject: [Peace] Interesting and important interviews & comments from Jimmy Dore: interviews with Dylan Ratigan & Jane McAlevey, and analyzing Noam Chomsky's electoral advice & AOC's rebuttal In-Reply-To: <887da07b-c1b9-ca9d-5a59-791678a93277@forestfield.org> References: <887da07b-c1b9-ca9d-5a59-791678a93277@forestfield.org> Message-ID: <1F3EE4E4-EFF7-4910-9DEC-27D483E37FF9@illinois.edu> Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 24, 2020, at 6:18 PM, J.B. Nicholson via Peace wrote: > David, I guess Chomsky doesn?t have a clue and could care less too, in your usual charitable way of thinking. Belden > ?I wrote: >> Jimmy Dore is still giving us the interviews you're not likely to catch elsewhere. On today's live show he spoke with author Jane McAlevey author of "A Collective Bargain: Unions, Organizing, and the Fight for Democracy". >> https://janemcalevey.com/book/a-collective-bargain-unions-organizing-and-the-fight-for-democracy/ > You can see these interview segments on YouTube starting today: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3UeVTxZHC8 -- How to start a successful strike during crisis > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH9beRXMxwk -- Many strikes are coming > > You can bet these will be on my list of recommended videos to play during News from Neptune's timeslot. > > How correct is McAlevey likely to be? I think the answer comes in the form of recent media stories such as this article from the LA Times: > > From https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-17/usc-coronavirus-survey > >> Less than half of L.A. County residents still have jobs amid coronavirus crisis >> By Jaclyn Cosgrove, Staff Writer April 17, 2020 >> 7 AM >> UPDATED 10:48 AM >> Because of the colossal impact that the coronavirus outbreak has had on the U.S. economy, less than half of Los Angeles County residents ? 45% compared with 61% >> in mid-March ? still hold a job, a decline of 16 percentage points, or an >> estimated 1.3 million jobs, according to findings from a national survey released >> Friday. >> The survey also suggests that 25.5 million jobs have been potentially lost across the U.S. since mid-March, and that people of color, especially black Americans, are more likely to have lost their jobs since mid-March. >> Nationally, 15% of white people said they had lost their jobs, while 18% of Latinos and 21% of black people reported job losses. 523444_ME_Covina_3_RCG.JPG >> California These striking photos reveal how California is changing >> But a significant majority of job losses, 67% nationally, were reported as temporary layoffs. Angelenos reported similar experiences. >> ?Under normal circumstances losing a job without access to benefits would be bad enough, but in the current situation, chances of finding a new job are likely to be close to nonexistent,? Arie Kapteyn, director of the USC Dornsife Center for Economic and Social Research, which administers the tracking survey, said in a statement. ?These changes are nothing less than catastrophic for those affected.? >> The Understanding Coronavirus in America Study, led by the USC Dornsife Center, has been surveying a panel of nearly 5,500 adults in the United States about >> their perceptions and attitudes regarding the coronavirus outbreak and how it?s affecting their lives since mid-March. > > And from what I'd bet will soon become one of the most looked-up Wikipedia pages -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_depression > >> Unemployment in the U.S. rose to 23% and in some countries rose as high as 33%. > relative to this recent RT interview: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9nLsrDeB4Y -- Trump adviser Stephen Moore says jobless rate will soon reach 20%. Don't expect much from this interview with Larry King (one of two shows RT runs which scarcely challenges the establishment or the viewer's intellect, the other show being the new Dennis Miller show). But the unemployment figure is staggering. > > And finally consider: > > https://www.wsj.com/articles/nearly-a-third-of-u-s-renters-didnt-pay-april-rent-11586340000 > >> Nearly a Third of U.S. Apartment Renters Didn?t Pay April [in the year 2020] Rent >> Nearly a third of U.S. apartment renters didn?t pay any of their April rent >> during the first week of the month, according to new data to be released Wednesday >> by the National Multifamily Housing Council and a consortium of real-estate data providers. >> The numbers are the first hard look at how many Americans are struggling to make rent during the coronavirus pandemic. The data come in the first of weekly >> reports on unpaid rent from NMHC, a landlord trade group. [...] > Reports on the same survey also come from other establishment-friendly outlets: > https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/09/business/americans-rent-payment-trnd/index.html > https://finance.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-fallout-onethird-of-americans-missed-rent-payments-in-april-135654889.html > https://www.cbsnews.com/news/april-rent-one-third-did-not-pay-multifamily-housing-council/ > > I point out these sources merely to drive home the point that some stories of immiseration are apparently unignorable, even for the establishment-friendly media (the same media that built on republishing WikiLeaks leaks and now tries to distance themselves from any news of how Julian Assange is being tortured and subjected to a petri dish where he may well catch Coronavirus, the virus that causes COVID-19). > > -J > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat Apr 25 18:26:37 2020 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 11:26:37 -0700 Subject: [Peace] Former leaders of Students for a Democratic Society try to drum up support for Biden Message-ID: Former leaders of Students for a Democratic Society try to drum up support for Biden By Genevieve Leigh 25 April 2020 Last week, the Nation magazine published ?An Open Letter to the New New Left From the Old New Left,? signed by more than sixty former leaders of the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS). The aim of the letter is to pressure supporters of Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders into voting for Joe Biden, the presumptive Democratic Party presidential candidate. The SDS was formed in 1960. The most prominent representative of what came to be known as the New Left, it was a breakaway from the youth branch of the League for Industrial Democracy (LID). The founders of SDS opposed the strident anti-communism of the LID and leadership of the AFL-CIO. They sought to appeal to a younger generation of students. While they were active in the early protests against the US war in Vietnam, the central political orientation of the SDS founders remained toward the Democratic Party, and in opposition to the fight to mobilize the working class as an independent social and political force. Following the end of the protest movement, many of its leaders, such as Todd Gitlin (one of the more prominent signatories of the letter) and the late Tom Hayden, moved sharply to the right, integrating themselves fully into the Democratic Party. They were prominent political spokespersons of a middle class layer that became increasingly wealthy in the final decades of the 20th century and the early years of the 21st, amidst near-continuous stock market rallies and rising real estate values. As with many in this social and political milieu, Gitlin?whose book The Sixties: Years of Hope Days of Rage provides details on the founding of SDS?made his political crossover into the camp of imperialism during the US-NATO interventions in the former Yugoslavia in the mid- to late-1990s. He enthusiastically embraced military intervention and regurgitated the government and media propaganda line that the bombing of Serbia by the Clinton administration was a moral crusade for ?human rights? and against ?ethnic cleansing.? Later, Gitlin backed the US attack on Afghanistan as a ?war of necessity? and, during the Iraq war, opposed the invasion launched by the Bush administration only on tactical grounds. Gitlin campaigned heavily for John Kerry and later Barack Obama. Hayden was for many years a Democratic State Assemblyman in California, and also a prominent backer of Obama?s campaign. Other signers of the letter followed a similar trajectory. Carl Davidson , for example, has spent the last few decades developing the Democratic Party electoral machine. In the 2004 presidential election, Davidson co-authored a document entitled, ?Moving from Protest to Politics: Dumping Bush?s Regime in 2004,? which made the case for turning the antiwar movement into a vote-catching appendage of the Democratic Party on the platform of anybody but Bush. He went on to back John Kerry and later led ?Progressives for Obama.? These ex-SDSers are now rallying around Joe Biden. Their letter in the Nation opens by applauding Senator Sanders? long-anticipated decision to drop out of the presidential race and support Biden. However, the authors write that they are ?gravely concerned that some of his supporters, including the leadership of Democratic Socialists of America, refuse to support Biden, whom they see as a representative of Wall Street capital.? The letter is formally directed to the leadership of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA), which has officially stated that it will not be endorsing Biden. This is a political maneuver on the DSA?s part, as there are not in fact any principled political differences between it and the writers of the letter, of which we will say more below. The real concern is not the DSA itself, but with workers and young people who were attracted to the Sanders campaign but are opposed to supporting Biden and are looking for a way to fight for genuine socialism. This position, the letter writers state, is not consistent with ?a long-range vision of democracy, justice, and human survival.? To make their case, they recall the experience of Germany during the revolutionary upheavals that followed the First World War. They write that during the revolution, ?the great sociologist Max Weber addressed left-wing students about politics.? ?He urged upon them that the best politics must be painfully aware of the consequences of action, not just intentions. Speaking to young men, he prophetically warned them that the cost of ignoring consequences might be their deaths.? First, it should be noted that Weber was speaking as an opponent of socialism and supporter of German militarism. He said in January 1919, ?We have this [German] revolution to thank for the fact that we cannot send a single division against the Poles. All we see is dirt, muck, dung, and horse-play?nothing else. [Karl] Liebknecht belongs in the madhouse and Rosa Luxemburg in the zoological gardens.? These words were written only days before the murder of Luxemburg and Liebknecht by the German Freikorps, with the support of German Social Democracy. Second, the ex-SDS members warn of the ?consequences? of not supporting Biden and the Democratic Party. But what are the consequences of doing so? Biden personifies the character of the Democratic Party as a party of Wall Street and the military. He has been a leading figure in American capitalist politics for nearly 50 years. His record includes support for countless US interventions, including the brutal break-up of the former Yugoslavia, a role he describes as his proudest achievement in foreign policy, the bombing of Serbia during the Kosovo crisis, and both the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. Biden is also complicit in the crimes of the Obama administration, including the persecution of Julian Assange and Chelsea Manning, the deportation of millions of immigrants, the largest transfer of wealth from workers to the rich in US history, and the countless bombings and military interventions carried out over the eight years of the Obama administration. To support Biden is to support the program that he is advancing and the social interests that he represents. In relation to the coronavirus crisis, Biden has signed on to the ?back to work? campaign spearheaded by Trump. The Democratic Party unanimously supported the massive bailout of corporations and Wall Street, which surpasses even what was done after the 2008 crisis. Biden, in line with the imperialist politics of the Democratic Party, recently unveiled a campaign advertisement attacking Trump for being too soft on China. The working class has been fed the same line in the run up to every election for decades: the Democratic candidate is the lesser of two evils. Every election year, the result has yielded an ever greater shift to the right. The argument of the ex-SDS members ignores completely the fact that it was the right-wing character of the Democratic Party that resulted in the election of Trump in first place. During two full terms in office, Obama, sold by these same layers as the president of ?hope and change,? presided over unending war, a historic transfer of wealth to the ruling class, and the continued erosion of the living standards of the vast majority of the population. As for the DSA, while the letter is nominally directed at the decision by that organization not to officially endorse Biden, its differences with the letter writers are entirely tactical in character. In response to the open letter, Jacobin magazine, affiliated with the DSA, published an article: ?An Open Letter from SDS Veterans Haranguing Young Socialists to Back Biden Was a Bad Idea.? They write that ?no socialist who campaigned for Bernie Sanders should feel guilty about abandoning [the Democrats] and concentrating on building a movement that is the only real hope for the planet?s future.? However, the ?movement? that the DSA and Jacobin have sought to build is one directed at channeling social and political opposition behind the Democratic Party. The DSA has spent the entire past four years mobilizing young people behind the Sanders campaign and promoting the illusion that the Democratic Party can be reformed. Sanders is now throwing all of his weight behind Biden, just as he did for Hillary Clinton in 2016. Sanders? endorsement of Biden, which has been followed by criticisms of any of his supporters not following his lead as ?irresponsible,? comes under conditions in which the coronavirus pandemic is exposing the irreconcilable conflict between the interests of the working class and the ruling class. Since Sanders? capitulation, Jacobin has been working overtime to prevent youth and workers from drawing any political conclusions from the experience that would result in a break with the Democratic Party. In a lengthy article published in Jacobin just last week, ?Like It or Not, If We Run Third Party, We Will Lose,? Dustin Guastella argues that now is not the time to leave the Democratic Party. He cynically urges people to simply ?rethink what ?independent? means.? He goes on to claim that ?there is a potential for a leftward lurch? in the Democratic Party ?in the coming decade.? Another article published last week in Jacobin , by Branko Marcetic, is headlined, ?I literally wrote the case against Joe Biden. But I?ve got some free advice for him.? The article urged Biden to adopt a ?left? program in order to win the support of young people. ?If Biden and Democrats of his generation,? Marcetic writes, ?could cravenly sell out their principles for political expediency and pretend to be something they?re not once, they can do it again, only for the good. For the first time in a long time, the direction things are heading mean the politically expedient thing is also the right thing to do.? It would be difficult to conjure up a more cynical or dishonest argument in the service of the Democratic Party. Both the DSA and the Nation proceed from the basis that there can be nothing outside of the Democratic Party. They both seek to trap youth and workers within the narrow framework of capitalist politics. However, the truth of the matter is that in the ?choice? between Trump and Biden there is no progressive way forward for the working class. It is critical that workers and young people draw the necessary political conclusions from the Sanders experience. The only genuine socialist campaign in the 2020 elections is that of the Socialist Equality Party. The SEP is fighting to mobilize the working class not for the futile aim of transforming the Democratic Party but for the construction of an independent movement of the working class in order to prepare and lead the struggle for socialism. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbn at forestfield.org Sat Apr 25 20:46:31 2020 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 15:46:31 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Chris Hedges interview with Jimmy Dore is highly worthwhile In-Reply-To: <317e6737-7946-135c-669f-a2df3440e36f@forestfield.org> References: <317e6737-7946-135c-669f-a2df3440e36f@forestfield.org> Message-ID: <4f0de7d6-9113-db75-340e-cdb7ba096d8f@forestfield.org> I wrote: > Coming soon: > Jimmy Dore interviews Chris Hedges: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sejW3NMzogo is > live now and the archived video URL should be available soon and promises to offer > some interesting analysis on recent political events including the US bailing out big > businesses, why the largest bloc of registered American voters don't vote for POTUS, > and whether anyone who voted for the bailout CARES bill (now law) will get voted out > of office for doing so without even trying to get a recorded vote. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpa7GR-EyF0 is this video now and it is highly recommended. I'm including this interview in my list of recommended videos for News from Neptune & AWARE on the Air timeslots also. This interview offers sharp criticism of the so-called progressive Democrats, TruthDig (where Hedges recently went on strike and lost his job), collaborator media, and more. It should be clear by now that the US desperately needs Medicare for All now despite Democratic party elected officials not calling out Nancy Pelosi (who is firmly against Medicare for All guaranteeing no such bill will reach the floor of the House), or giving into HMOs by saying capitulation talk like "Let me be clear: I am not proposing that we pass Medicare for All in this moment. That fight continues into the future." as Sen. Sanders did without identifying why, when "the future" is, or what that fight would be. Members of "The Squad" who made choices that did nothing -- not nothing effective, but nothing at all -- to stymie or delay adopting the CARES Act which is an enormous corporate bailout. But you won't find proper coverage of these things in many places nowadays. Note: https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/ is your friend; this program is useful to download videos from all sorts of websites including YouTube. Downloading the video means you can play the video at any time on any system, even if YouTube's censorious policies kick in. You can use the program to keep up with updates. The program's complete source code is available under a free software license, so feel free to run, inspect, modify, and share the program. VLC (https://www.videolan.org/) is also a highly capable audio/video player that runs on every modern OS. Videos that challenge the establishment narrative (regardless of effectiveness) have a way of disappearing from sites like YouTube. Uploaders compound this problem by uploading to only one sharing website (often just YouTube or just Vimeo because those sites pay uploaders for popular videos), sometimes even for videos the uploader can't or doesn't intend to make money from. YouTube, like any private publisher, has the right and power to decide what it will publish and when. Apparently YouTube still finds it necessary to put a seemingly friendly face on their discrimination by claiming the site is keeping people away from harm -- YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki[1] said she wanted to stop "misinformation on the platform" by banning "[a]nything that would go against World Health Organization recommendations [which] would be a violation of our policy". These policies have historically been enforced capriciously, allowing establishment-friendly outlets to publish lies while silencing smaller independent publishers who also sometimes spread lies. CNN's YouTube account is up and running even after it published lies that helped foment the Venezuelan coup attempts (like those debunked by The Grayzone including one about Venezuelan grocery stores having no food available), or when CNN claimed that DPRK/North Korean leader Kim Jong Un's "health is in grave danger [...] following a recent surgery" citing an unnamed source (a "US official with direct knowledge"). NBC later piled on with a tweet they've since unpublished[2]. South Korea, China, and The Pentagon have now dismissed these rumors. But in August 2018 YouTube participated in a coordinated silencing of Infowars publisher Alex Jones' social media accounts with Facebook, Spotify, Apple, and others. This was also referenced in the aforementioned Jimmy Dore interview with Chris Hedges. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52388586 [2] See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCk0PVYphRU for more on this. From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat Apr 25 22:08:48 2020 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 15:08:48 -0700 Subject: [Peace] Chris Hedges interview with Jimmy Dore is highly worthwhile In-Reply-To: <4f0de7d6-9113-db75-340e-cdb7ba096d8f@forestfield.org> References: <317e6737-7946-135c-669f-a2df3440e36f@forestfield.org> <4f0de7d6-9113-db75-340e-cdb7ba096d8f@forestfield.org> Message-ID: I?m listening to it now on my tablet. It?s absolutely the best podcast/interview ever, most informative connecting the dots, and covering almost everything. If one is to only listen/watch one political discussion this year, this is it. > On Apr 25, 2020, at 13:46, J.B. Nicholson via Peace wrote: > > I wrote: >> Coming soon: >> Jimmy Dore interviews Chris Hedges: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sejW3NMzogo is live now and the archived video URL should be available soon and promises to offer some interesting analysis on recent political events including the US bailing out big businesses, why the largest bloc of registered American voters don't vote for POTUS, and whether anyone who voted for the bailout CARES bill (now law) will get voted out of office for doing so without even trying to get a recorded vote. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpa7GR-EyF0 is this video now and it is highly recommended. I'm including this interview in my list of recommended videos for News from Neptune & AWARE on the Air timeslots also. > > This interview offers sharp criticism of the so-called progressive Democrats, TruthDig (where Hedges recently went on strike and lost his job), collaborator media, and more. It should be clear by now that the US desperately needs Medicare for All now despite Democratic party elected officials not calling out Nancy Pelosi (who is firmly against Medicare for All guaranteeing no such bill will reach the floor of the House), or giving into HMOs by saying capitulation talk like "Let me be clear: I am not proposing that we pass Medicare for All in this moment. That fight continues into the future." as Sen. Sanders did without identifying why, when "the future" is, or what that fight would be. Members of "The Squad" who made choices that did nothing -- not nothing effective, but nothing at all -- to stymie or delay adopting the CARES Act which is an enormous corporate bailout. But you won't find proper coverage of these things in many places nowadays. > > > > Note: https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/ is your friend; this program is useful to download videos from all sorts of websites including YouTube. Downloading the video means you can play the video at any time on any system, even if YouTube's censorious policies kick in. You can use the program to keep up with updates. The program's complete source code is available under a free software license, so feel free to run, inspect, modify, and share the program. VLC (https://www.videolan.org/) is also a highly capable audio/video player that runs on every modern OS. > > > > Videos that challenge the establishment narrative (regardless of effectiveness) have a way of disappearing from sites like YouTube. Uploaders compound this problem by uploading to only one sharing website (often just YouTube or just Vimeo because those sites pay uploaders for popular videos), sometimes even for videos the uploader can't or doesn't intend to make money from. > > YouTube, like any private publisher, has the right and power to decide what it will publish and when. Apparently YouTube still finds it necessary to put a seemingly friendly face on their discrimination by claiming the site is keeping people away from harm -- YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki[1] said she wanted to stop "misinformation on the platform" by banning "[a]nything that would go against World Health Organization recommendations [which] would be a violation of our policy". These policies have historically been enforced capriciously, allowing establishment-friendly outlets to publish lies while silencing smaller independent publishers who also sometimes spread lies. CNN's YouTube account is up and running even after it published lies that helped foment the Venezuelan coup attempts (like those debunked by The Grayzone including one about Venezuelan grocery stores having no food available), or when CNN claimed that DPRK/North Korean leader Kim Jong Un's "health is in grave danger [...] following a recent surgery" citing an unnamed source (a "US official with direct knowledge"). NBC later piled on with a tweet they've since unpublished[2]. South Korea, China, and The Pentagon have now dismissed these rumors. But in August 2018 YouTube participated in a coordinated silencing of Infowars publisher Alex Jones' social media accounts with Facebook, Spotify, Apple, and others. This was also referenced in the aforementioned Jimmy Dore interview with Chris Hedges. > > > [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52388586 > [2] See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCk0PVYphRU for more on this. > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net Sat Apr 25 23:40:17 2020 From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 18:40:17 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Chris Hedges interview with Jimmy Dore is highly worthwhile In-Reply-To: References: <317e6737-7946-135c-669f-a2df3440e36f@forestfield.org> <4f0de7d6-9113-db75-340e-cdb7ba096d8f@forestfield.org> Message-ID: <001e01d61b5a$e260a740$a721f5c0$@comcast.net> You are absolutely correct Karen ! I am currently watching it and I just put it on hold to check my e-mail and share it on FaceBook. David J. -----Original Message----- From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Karen Aram via Peace Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 5:09 PM To: J.B. Nicholson Cc: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; Peace Subject: Re: [Peace] Chris Hedges interview with Jimmy Dore is highly worthwhile I?m listening to it now on my tablet. It?s absolutely the best podcast/interview ever, most informative connecting the dots, and covering almost everything. If one is to only listen/watch one political discussion this year, this is it. > On Apr 25, 2020, at 13:46, J.B. Nicholson via Peace wrote: > > I wrote: >> Coming soon: >> Jimmy Dore interviews Chris Hedges: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sejW3NMzogo is live now and the archived video URL should be available soon and promises to offer some interesting analysis on recent political events including the US bailing out big businesses, why the largest bloc of registered American voters don't vote for POTUS, and whether anyone who voted for the bailout CARES bill (now law) will get voted out of office for doing so without even trying to get a recorded vote. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpa7GR-EyF0 is this video now and it is highly recommended. I'm including this interview in my list of recommended videos for News from Neptune & AWARE on the Air timeslots also. > > This interview offers sharp criticism of the so-called progressive Democrats, TruthDig (where Hedges recently went on strike and lost his job), collaborator media, and more. It should be clear by now that the US desperately needs Medicare for All now despite Democratic party elected officials not calling out Nancy Pelosi (who is firmly against Medicare for All guaranteeing no such bill will reach the floor of the House), or giving into HMOs by saying capitulation talk like "Let me be clear: I am not proposing that we pass Medicare for All in this moment. That fight continues into the future." as Sen. Sanders did without identifying why, when "the future" is, or what that fight would be. Members of "The Squad" who made choices that did nothing -- not nothing effective, but nothing at all -- to stymie or delay adopting the CARES Act which is an enormous corporate bailout. But you won't find proper coverage of these things in many places nowadays. > > > > Note: https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/ is your friend; this program is useful to download videos from all sorts of websites including YouTube. Downloading the video means you can play the video at any time on any system, even if YouTube's censorious policies kick in. You can use the program to keep up with updates. The program's complete source code is available under a free software license, so feel free to run, inspect, modify, and share the program. VLC (https://www.videolan.org/) is also a highly capable audio/video player that runs on every modern OS. > > > > Videos that challenge the establishment narrative (regardless of effectiveness) have a way of disappearing from sites like YouTube. Uploaders compound this problem by uploading to only one sharing website (often just YouTube or just Vimeo because those sites pay uploaders for popular videos), sometimes even for videos the uploader can't or doesn't intend to make money from. > > YouTube, like any private publisher, has the right and power to decide what it will publish and when. Apparently YouTube still finds it necessary to put a seemingly friendly face on their discrimination by claiming the site is keeping people away from harm -- YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki[1] said she wanted to stop "misinformation on the platform" by banning "[a]nything that would go against World Health Organization recommendations [which] would be a violation of our policy". These policies have historically been enforced capriciously, allowing establishment-friendly outlets to publish lies while silencing smaller independent publishers who also sometimes spread lies. CNN's YouTube account is up and running even after it published lies that helped foment the Venezuelan coup attempts (like those debunked by The Grayzone including one about Venezuelan grocery stores having no food available), or when CNN claimed that DPRK/North Korean leader Kim Jong Un's "health is in grave danger [...] following a recent surgery" citing an unnamed source (a "US official with direct knowledge"). NBC later piled on with a tweet they've since unpublished[2]. South Korea, China, and The Pentagon have now dismissed these rumors. But in August 2018 YouTube participated in a coordinated silencing of Infowars publisher Alex Jones' social media accounts with Facebook, Spotify, Apple, and others. This was also referenced in the aforementioned Jimmy Dore interview with Chris Hedges. > > > [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52388586 > [2] See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCk0PVYphRU for more on this. > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From brussel at illinois.edu Sun Apr 26 02:57:49 2020 From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 02:57:49 +0000 Subject: [Peace] An article by my good friend Isobel, and Walden Bello In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0180F2C1-8E60-48D9-A74F-B495C484E67E@illinois.edu> A useful summary of what ought to be done, but who can believe?I?m extremely dubious? that the proposals here will be even partially implemented? It would be a revolution. ?mkb On Apr 23, 2020, at 9:18 PM, Karen Aram via Peace > wrote: [https://www.ipsnews.net/wp-content/themes/ipsnews/images/logo-IPS.png] INTER PRESS SERVICE News Agency News and Views from the Global South * Africa * Asia-Pacific * Europe * Latin America & the Caribbean * Middle East & North Africa * North America * Global * Home * Development & Aid * Aid * Education * Energy * Health * Food & Agriculture * Humanitarian Emergencies * Poverty & SDGs * Population * Economy & Trade * Financial Crisis * Green Economy * Labour * Natural Resources * Trade & Investment * Cooperatives * Environment * Advancing Deserts * Biodiversity * Climate Change * Green Economy * Water & Sanitation * Human Rights * Armed Conflicts * Crime & Justice * Democracy * Indigenous Rights * LGBTQ * Migration & Refugees * Press Freedom * Religion * Global Governance * Civilisations Find Alliances * Eye On The IFIs * Global Geopolitics * Globalisation * Peace * South-South * United Nations * South-South * G77 * Regional Alliances * Southern Aid & Trade * Civil Society * Active Citizens * World Social Forum * Conferences * Gender * Gender Violence * Women & Economy * Women & Climate Change * Women?s Health * Gender Identity * Women In Politics Active Citizens, Development & Aid, Economy & Trade, Global, Headlines, Health, Humanitarian Emergencies, Labour, TerraViva United Nations OPINION Citizen Action is Central to the Global Response to COVID-19 By Isabel Ortiz and Walden BelloReprint | | [https://www.ipsnews.net/wp-content/themes/ipsnews/images/printer.png] Print | [https://www.ipsnews.net/Library/2020/04/Brazil-Favela-Rio-de-Janeiro_-629x353.jpg] A favela in Brazil, where the health system is not ready for coronavirus and social distancing difficult. NEW YORK and MANILA, Apr 22 2020 (IPS) - The coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic has created an unprecedented human and economic crisis. Governments are taking strong actions, enforcing quarantines to reduce contagion, testing populations, building emergency intensive care units. Governments have also launched large fiscal stimulus plans to protect jobs and the economy, as well as temporary social protection programs such as income/food support, subsidies to utilities and care services. But in many countries, even stronger actions are needed if we are to protect lives and jobs. States must respond adequately to this public emergency. Citizens must question if the measures implemented by their governments are sufficient and adequate. The following are important issues for citizens and civil society organizations (CSOs) to watch out at the country level: 1. It is time to invest in universal public health, not only emergency support. Given COVID-19, governments are advised to ramp up public health expenditures. Indeed, respirators, tests and masks are necessary, but countries need more than just emergency support. There is a risk that, as governments will become indebted, they continue with austerity cuts and privatizations that have been eroding public health systems in recent years, returning to a situation where millions are excluded from healthcare. [http://www.ipsnews.net/Library/2020/04/Isabel-Ortiz_200_-1.jpg] Isabel Ortiz 2. Stimulating the economy and employment. This is much necessary to support job-generating enterprises during the COVID-19 lockdown. However, citizens need to be vigilant that fiscal stimulus do not go to the wrong hands, to large corporations avoiding taxes, to cronies, to the untaxed financial sector. If public funds are given to companies, it should be with strict conditions to stop tax evasion and share buybacks, undergo adequate regulation, cut obnoxious management bonusses, pay living wages and preserve employment. 3. Providing social protection, income and food support to people. These measures are extremely urgent if people are to be quarantined and are unable to telework. In developing countries, most work precariously in the informal economy and isolation is not possible, households will suffer hunger with no income. Given the low living conditions in most developing countries, policymakers should consider the need for universal social protection floors. 4. Governments need more executive powers to implement these measures. States and public policies have been weakened over the last decades by deregulations, privatizations and budget cuts. Better planning, better resources and better public policies for all citizens are needed, but it is important to ensure that far right and authoritarian leaders do not use the need for decisive executive action to grab more power for their own ends (eg. Brazil, Hungary, India, Philippines, US). Additionally, it is important for citizens and CSOs to push for the following measures at the global level: 5. Support for global public health, at stake is the survival of the planet. The coronavirus pandemic has revealed the weak state of global public health systems ? generally overburdened, underfunded and understaffed because of earlier austerity policies and privatizations. There is urgent need to improve the global governance of health, including the strengthening the WHO and UN agencies that support the extension of public health systems, as well as CSOs monitoring progress. 6. Put pressure on the international financial institutions such as the IMF and the development banks, so their policies support universal public health systems, jobs and social protection floors at present as well as after the COVID-19 emergency, including resources and fiscal space to finance them. 7. Given high sovereign debt levels, continue lobbying for debt forgiveness or radical debt relief to ensure that countries get the needed financing; or at least a debt moratoria, and later debt restructuring/relief. 8. Watch out that new debt and fiscal deficits created to respond to COVID-19 do not result in a new round of austerity cuts with negative social impacts that will undermine public health systems, jobs and social protection. 9. Ensure capital controls. Capital is flying North to safety, to the US, to Europe. Developing countries are going to be hard hit, not only because of the capital drain but also from the fall of commodity prices and others. Capital controls are easy to implement, with immediate results. [http://www.ipsnews.net/Library/2020/04/Walden-with-Cap_.jpg] Walden Bello 10. A Global Marshall Plan, or a Global Green New Deal. Global problems require global solutions; after the WW2, the US implemented a Marshall Plan to rebuild Europe. This time, no country alone can or should finance a global plan, it can be built as part of a progressive multilateralism. There are many ways to finance it, solidarity taxes to wealth may well be a best way to reduce inequalities and even up world?s development. It can be complemented by other measures such as issuing more Special Drawing Rights (SDRs) at the international organizations. The coronavirus pandemic has provided stark evidence of the weaknesses and extreme injustices of our world. We must not return to ?normality?, a world where half of its population is living below the poverty line of $5.50 a day. We must move away from an inequitable model based on unregulated finance and corporate power, blind to harmful social and environmental impacts. We must back away from a system that disregards the work of health staff, cleaners, garbage collectors, farmers, and instead reward with huge salaries corporate managers, football players, and others who do not perform any essential activity. Now citizens have the opportunity to move forward. As countries and enterprises recuperate from the crisis, they will have to rethink their economic model, including fewer links with global supply chains, and more links closer to home. It will be an important time for citizens and CSOs to press for ?deglobalization?, making the domestic market again the center of gravity of the economy by preserving local production with decent jobs and green investments, and question global supply chains based on taking advantage of cheaper wages, lesser taxes and environmental regulations elsewhere. Now is the time for citizens to ensure that world leaders forcefully respond to the COVID-19 crisis, in accordance with human rights. This time it cannot be like many earlier crisis experiences, where insufficient support was provided, or ended in the wrong hands, bailing out banks not the population. Citizens and CSOs have a very important role to play to ensure that governments respond to people. Isabel Ortiz is Director of the Global Social Justice Program at the Initiative for Policy Dialogue, Columbia University, and former director of the International Labour Organization (ILO) and UNICEF. Walden Bello is senior analyst at the Bangkok-based Focus on the Global South and the International Adjunct Professor of Sociology at the State University of New York at Binghamton. _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbn at forestfield.org Sun Apr 26 04:44:36 2020 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 23:44:36 -0500 Subject: [Peace] More recommended videos to run during AOTA & NFN timeslots In-Reply-To: <317e6737-7946-135c-669f-a2df3440e36f@forestfield.org> References: <317e6737-7946-135c-669f-a2df3440e36f@forestfield.org> Message-ID: Here are more videos I just recommended for AOTA & NfN timeslots. Jimmy Dore Show https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpa7GR-EyF0 -- Jimmy Dore interviews Chris Hedges on a variety of topics broadly covering neoliberalism and neoconservatism (1h 35m) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3UeVTxZHC8 -- Jimmy Dore interviews Jane McAlevey author of "A Collective Bargain: Unions, Organizing, and the Fight for Democracy" on how to start a successful strike during crisis (11m 59s) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH9beRXMxwk -- Jimmy Dore interviews Jane McAlevey on the many strikes which are coming (31m 03s) Moderate Rebels Ben Norton and Max Blumenthal interviews economist Michael Hudson author of "...and Forgive Them Their Debts: Lending, Foreclosure and Redemption from Bronze Age Finance to the Jubilee Year" and multiple other books. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-8m5fBbLgQ -- Part 1 of 2: Hudson on the Coronavirus corporate bailout (44m 01s) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paUgY6SGlgY -- Part 2 of 2: Hudson on how the US makes other countries pay for its wars (47m 24s) Michael Hudson gives important historical summaries and prescient descriptions of our foreseeable future after creating so much money to bailout the largest businesses and not the people, fomenting poverty, hunger, and destitution via the World Bank. Hudson said "The United States, through the World Bank, has become, I think, the most dangerous, right-wing, evil organization in modern history. More evil than the IMF [International Monetary Fund]; that's why it [the World Bank] has always been run by a Secretary of Defense. It has always been explicitly military. It's the hard fist of American imperialism.". The means by which this is carried out is important and interesting. -J From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Apr 26 11:27:37 2020 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 04:27:37 -0700 Subject: [Peace] An article by my good friend Isobel, and Walden Bello In-Reply-To: <0180F2C1-8E60-48D9-A74F-B495C484E67E@illinois.edu> References: <0180F2C1-8E60-48D9-A74F-B495C484E67E@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Mort Yes, Isobel, a Spanish national her PhD is in economics from the London School of Economics, her specialty is Social Protection. We worked together at the Asian Development Bank on Social Protection. She has been with the ILO, the UN and the Asian Development Bank, currently working in the US with Joseph Stiglitz. She assisted Evo Morales of Bolivia on behalf of the UN, when he was first elected. I posted her previous article in the Lancet. Yes, she is a socialist, as is I believe Walden Bello of the Philippines. When Isobel and I worked together at the Asian Development Bank, her socialist ideology was something never revealed publicly. And, yes what is needed is a revolution, or as usually referred, system change, which will only come when the people rise up and demand it. On Apr 25, 2020, at 19:57, Brussel, Morton K wrote: > > A useful summary of what ought to be done, but who can believe?I?m extremely dubious? that the proposals here will be even partially implemented? > > It would be a revolution. > > ?mkb > > >> On Apr 23, 2020, at 9:18 PM, Karen Aram via Peace > wrote: >> >> INTER PRESS SERVICE >> News Agency >> News and Views from the Global South >> Africa Asia-Pacific Europe Latin America & the Caribbean Middle East & North Africa North America Global >> Home >> Development & Aid >> Aid >> >> Education >> >> Energy >> >> Health >> >> Food & Agriculture >> >> Humanitarian Emergencies >> >> Poverty & SDGs >> >> Population >> Economy & Trade >> Financial Crisis >> >> Green Economy >> >> Labour >> >> Natural Resources >> >> Trade & Investment >> >> Cooperatives >> Environment >> Advancing Deserts >> >> Biodiversity >> >> Climate Change >> >> Green Economy >> >> Water & Sanitation >> Human Rights >> Armed Conflicts >> >> Crime & Justice >> >> Democracy >> >> Indigenous Rights >> >> LGBTQ >> >> Migration & Refugees >> >> Press Freedom >> >> Religion >> Global Governance >> Civilisations Find Alliances >> >> Eye On The IFIs >> >> Global Geopolitics >> >> Globalisation >> >> Peace >> >> South-South >> >> United Nations >> South-South >> G77 >> >> Regional Alliances >> >> Southern Aid & Trade >> Civil Society >> Active Citizens >> >> World Social Forum >> >> Conferences >> Gender >> Gender Violence >> >> Women & Economy >> >> Women & Climate Change >> >> Women?s Health >> >> Gender Identity >> >> Women In Politics >> >> Active Citizens , Development & Aid , Economy & Trade , Global , Headlines , Health , Humanitarian Emergencies , Labour , TerraViva United Nations >> >> OPINION >> Citizen Action is Central to the Global Response to COVID-19 >> By Isabel Ortiz and Walden Bello Reprint | | ?Print | >> >> A favela in Brazil, where the health system is not ready for coronavirus and social distancing difficult. >> >> NEW YORK and MANILA, Apr 22 2020 (IPS) - The coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic has created an unprecedented human and economic crisis. Governments are taking strong actions, enforcing quarantines to reduce contagion, testing populations, building emergency intensive care units. Governments have also launched large fiscal stimulus plans to protect jobs and the economy, as well as temporary social protection programs such as income/food support, subsidies to utilities and care services. >> >> But in many countries, even stronger actions are needed if we are to protect lives and jobs. States must respond adequately to this public emergency. Citizens must question if the measures implemented by their governments are sufficient and adequate. >> >> The following are important issues for citizens and civil society organizations (CSOs) to watch out at the country level: >> >> 1. It is time to invest in universal public health, not only emergency support. Given COVID-19, governments are advised to ramp up public health expenditures . Indeed, respirators, tests and masks are necessary, but countries need more than just emergency support. There is a risk that, as governments will become indebted, they continue with austerity cuts and privatizations that have been eroding public health systems in recent years, returning to a situation where millions are excluded from healthcare. >> >> Isabel Ortiz >> 2. Stimulating the economy and employment. This is much necessary to support job-generating enterprises during the COVID-19 lockdown. However, citizens need to be vigilant that fiscal stimulus do not go to the wrong hands, to large corporations avoiding taxes, to cronies, to the untaxed financial sector. If public funds are given to companies, it should be with strict conditions to stop tax evasion and share buybacks, undergo adequate regulation, cut obnoxious management bonusses, pay living wages and preserve employment. >> 3. Providing social protection, income and food support to people. These measures are extremely urgent if people are to be quarantined and are unable to telework. In developing countries, most work precariously in the informal economy and isolation is not possible, households will suffer hunger with no income. Given the low living conditions in most developing countries, policymakers should consider the need for universal social protection floors . >> 4. Governments need more executive powers to implement these measures. States and public policies have been weakened over the last decades by deregulations, privatizations and budget cuts. Better planning, better resources and better public policies for all citizens are needed, but it is important to ensure that far right and authoritarian leaders do not use the need for decisive executive action to grab more power for their own ends (eg. Brazil, Hungary, India, Philippines, US). >> Additionally, it is important for citizens and CSOs to push for the following measures at the global level: >> >> 5. Support for global public health, at stake is the survival of the planet. The coronavirus pandemic has revealed the weak state of global public health systems ? generally overburdened, underfunded and understaffed because of earlier austerity policies and privatizations. There is urgent need to improve the global governance of health, including the strengthening the WHO and UN agencies that support the extension of public health systems, as well as CSOs monitoring progress. >> 6. Put pressure on the international financial institutions such as the IMF and the development banks, so their policies support universal public health systems, jobs and social protection floors at present as well as after the COVID-19 emergency, including resources and fiscal space to finance them. >> 7. Given high sovereign debt levels, continue lobbying for debt forgiveness or radical debt relief to ensure that countries get the needed financing; or at least a debt moratoria, and later debt restructuring/relief. >> 8. Watch out that new debt and fiscal deficits created to respond to COVID-19 do not result in a new round of austerity cuts with negative social impacts that will undermine public health systems, jobs and social protection. >> 9. Ensure capital controls. Capital is flying North to safety, to the US, to Europe. Developing countries are going to be hard hit, not only because of the capital drain but also from the fall of commodity prices and others. Capital controls are easy to implement, with immediate results. >> >> Walden Bello >> 10. A Global Marshall Plan, or a Global Green New Deal . Global problems require global solutions; after the WW2, the US implemented a Marshall Plan to rebuild Europe. This time, no country alone can or should finance a global plan, it can be built as part of a progressive multilateralism. There are many ways to finance it, solidarity taxes to wealth may well be a best way to reduce inequalities and even up world?s development. It can be complemented by other measures such as issuing more Special Drawing Rights (SDRs) at the international organizations. >> The coronavirus pandemic has provided stark evidence of the weaknesses and extreme injustices of our world. We must not return to ?normality?, a world where half of its population is living below the poverty line of $5.50 a day. We must move away from an inequitable model based on unregulated finance and corporate power, blind to harmful social and environmental impacts. We must back away from a system that disregards the work of health staff, cleaners, garbage collectors, farmers, and instead reward with huge salaries corporate managers, football players, and others who do not perform any essential activity. Now citizens have the opportunity to move forward. >> >> As countries and enterprises recuperate from the crisis, they will have to rethink their economic model, including fewer links with global supply chains, and more links closer to home. It will be an important time for citizens and CSOs to press for ?deglobalization ?, making the domestic market again the center of gravity of the economy by preserving local production with decent jobs and green investments, and question global supply chains based on taking advantage of cheaper wages, lesser taxes and environmental regulations elsewhere. >> >> Now is the time for citizens to ensure that world leaders forcefully respond to the COVID-19 crisis, in accordance with human rights . This time it cannot be like many earlier crisis experiences, where insufficient support was provided, or ended in the wrong hands, bailing out banks not the population. Citizens and CSOs have a very important role to play to ensure that governments respond to people. >> >> Isabel Ortiz is Director of the Global Social Justice Program at the Initiative for Policy Dialogue, Columbia University, and former director of the International Labour Organization (ILO) and UNICEF. >> >> Walden Bello is senior analyst at the Bangkok-based Focus on the Global South and the International Adjunct Professor of Sociology at the State University of New York at Binghamton. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon Apr 27 01:10:17 2020 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:10:17 -0700 Subject: [Peace] World Food Programme warns: Message-ID: World Food Programme warns: COVID-19 pandemic will cause ?famines of biblical proportions? By Jean Shaoul 23 April 2020 The United Nations? World Food Programme (WFP) warned Tuesday that without urgent action and funding, hundreds of millions of people will face starvation and millions could die as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic. WFP Executive Director David Beasley told the UN Security Council that in addition to the threat to health posed by the virus, the world faces ?multiple famines of biblical proportions within a few short months,? which could result in 300,000 deaths per day?a ?hunger pandemic.? Beasley said that even before the outbreak, the world was ?facing the worst humanitarian crisis since World War II? this year due to many factors. He cited the wars in Syria and Yemen, the crisis in South Sudan and locust swarms across East Africa. He said that coupled with the coronavirus outbreak, famine threatened about three dozen nations. According to the WFP?s ?2020 Global Report on Food Crises? released Monday, 135 million people around the world were already threatened with starvation. Beasley said that as the virus spreads, ?an additional 130 million people could be pushed to the brink of starvation by the end of 2020. That?s a total of 265 million people.? Boxes of food are distributed by the Greater Pittsburgh Community Food Bank, at a drive thru distribution in downtown Pittsburgh, 10 April, 2020 [Credit: AP Photo/Gene J. Puskar] The regions suffering the most in 2019 were Africa (73 million people ?in crisis or worse?) and the Middle East and Asia (43 million people), beset not only with poverty, but also with conflicts and the impact of natural disasters, economic crises and climate change, with the worst locust swarms in decades in East Africa putting 70 million people at risk. Beasley pointed out that there are already 821 million food-insecure people in the world, a record number. ?If we don?t prepare and act now to secure access, avoid funding shortfalls and disruptions to trade,? he warned, the result could be a ?humanitarian catastrophe.? The 10 worst affected countries are Yemen (15.9 million people ?in crisis or worse?), Democratic Republic of the Congo (15.6 million), Afghanistan (11.3 million), Venezuela (9.3 million), Ethiopia (8 million), South Sudan (7 million), Syria (6.6 million), Sudan (5.9 million) northeast Nigeria (5 million) and Haiti (3.7 million). All of these countries are the victims of more than a century of imperialist oppression and exploitation that continues to the present. Most, if not all, continue to suffer from US-led military interventions, economic sanctions or political intrigues that have had devastating social consequences. In the 55 food-crisis countries that are the focus of the report, a staggering 75 million children are stunted and 17 million suffer from wasting. Beasley said, ?Millions of civilians living in conflict-scarred nations, including many women and children, face being pushed to the brink of starvation, with the spectre of famine a very real and dangerous possibility.? African countries affected by conflicts are particularly at risk, including the Central African Republic, Chad, Nigeria and South Sudan, as well as countries hosting large numbers of refugees such as Lebanon and Uganda. More than half the population of Yemen and South Sudan, which have endured years of wars, already face acute food shortages even before the virus reaches them. At least 14 million Yemenis are on the brink of famine, while 80 percent of the country?s 24 million people rely on food aid. Save the Children estimated last year that at least 75,000 Yemeni children under the age of five have starved to death since the onset of the Saudi-led and US-backed war. Nearly 3.6 million people have been displaced by the conflict. In South Sudan, there are more than five million people facing starvation and reliant on food aid to survive, and 1.7 million women and children are acutely malnourished. More than 30 of the world?s poorest countries could experience widespread famine and in 10 of these countries, there are already more than one million people on the brink of starvation. The WFP said that lockdown measures in the poorest countries, with fragile health care systems and crowded and unsanitary living conditions, would not suffice to prevent the spread of the coronavirus, while depriving millions of workers of an already meagre livelihood and leading to an economic and humanitarian disaster. The near global restrictions on all but essential work and travel are affecting farm workers and disrupting supply chains. Millions of farmers in Africa and other low-income countries, already facing high levels of food insecurity, are at risk of not being able to work their land and produce food. Of the 257 million hungry people in Africa, most live in rural areas. The Ebola epidemic in West Africa provides a stark example of what is at stake. Small farmers were unable to work their land, sell their products or buy seeds and other essential inputs, leaving more than 40 percent of the agricultural land uncultivated. The WFP also noted that many of the poorest countries have been hard hit by the collapse of the travel and tourism sectors, with villages in the Atlas Mountains in Morocco, for example, almost entirely dependent on tourists and hikers for survival. Others will suffer from the catastrophic fall in remittances (up to 20 percent, according to the World Bank), as migrant workers are furloughed or laid off. This will affect conflict-torn states such as Somalia, Haiti and South Sudan, and small island nations such as Tonga, with remittances sometimes accounting for more than 30 percent of gross domestic product, as well as larger states such as India, Pakistan, Egypt, Nigeria and the Philippines, where remittances have become a crucial source of external financing. Flows to sub-Saharan Africa are predicted to fall by 23 percent. Those particularly at risk include refugees and displaced people living in camps and settlements in cities, as well as the elderly, young children, pregnant and lactating women, and the disabled. For those whose lives already hang by a thread, the economic impact of the pandemic will push them over the edge. Already there have been reports of food hoarding and price gouging in several sub-Saharan African countries, making food both scarce and unaffordable for those most in need. Anger over food shortages has triggered violent protests across South Africa in the last two weeks, while protests have also started in Lebanon. In northeast Nigeria, almost three million people are already facing hunger and 440,000 children under five are severely malnourished due to the ongoing Boko Haram insurgency. The risk of hunger is already high in India, Bangladesh and Myanmar, while in the Philippines police are enforcing lockdowns at the point of a gun and the government is preparing for a military lockdown as unrest mounts. In the face of this global catastrophe, Beasley urged the UN Security Council to come forward with a measly $2 billion of aid already pledged but not delivered. He warned that another $350 million was needed just to set up the logistics network to get food and medical supplies?including personal protective equipment?to where it was needed. This pathetic plea will fall on deaf ears. These sums are a tiny fraction of the trillions the US, the European and other imperialist powers are pouring into tax-dodging corporations and financial institutions to keep them afloat. The only spending the major powers will allocate in relation to the oppressed nations will be to strengthen their military forces for colonial-style interventions to rob these countries of their natural resources and police rising social discontent among workers and poor farmers. If millions of lives are to be saved in the poorest countries of the world, workers everywhere must take up the struggle to end capitalism and establish a global socialist system based on planned production for need. The development of a socialist political movement of the working class directed against the ruling classes in the imperialist centres and their local agents in the oppressed nations is the only way that the world?s most vulnerable people can be protected against the terrible impact of the pandemic. WSWS.ORG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Organizing roles include being a lead or tail vehicle, writing a press release for the event or serving as a press contact, and documenting the event with pictures and/or video. > > Thank you for your consideration! > > Champaign County Bailout Coalition > 202 S Broadway Ave, Urbana, IL 61801 > (765) 231-5682 > https://champaigncountybailoutcoalition.wordpress.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu Apr 30 00:20:16 2020 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:20:16 -0700 Subject: [Peace] Fwd: Not another penny to Pentagon from COVID bailouts References: <5ea98c835ea9d_b9453f8571fb927c96883df@ip-10-0-0-214.mail> Message-ID: > > The Pentagon is seeking billions of dollars from Congress in the next COVID relief stimulus package. Why? To protect the mega-profits of weapons dealers and military contractors. > > Yes. That?s right. As we lose tens of thousands of loved ones here, and hundreds of thousands around the world, to COVID-19 ? the Pentagon wants even more money on top of the $750 billion+ it already spends every year on immoral, counterproductive, murderous, environmentally destructive wars and war preparations. > > We say enough! That?s why World BEYOND War and 61 of our partners are demanding the Congress not give the Pentagon a penny more in the next coronavirus relief package. > > Will you ask your members of Congress to demand we bail out the people, not the Pentagon and weapons dealers in the next coronavirus relief package? Click here. > > We don?t need more nukes, militarized borders, armies, or drones ? because war doesn?t keep anyone safe. It endangers us and our natural environment while diverting funds from where they are needed. > > We need more masks, nurses, ventilators, stimulus checks for unemployed, poor, and undocumented people, Black communities and communities of color, and healthcare and housing for all ? because that is what keeps us all safe. > > Congress has to bail out the people, not the Pentagon and its arm dealer friends. Tell Congress here! > > This was true before coronavirus. But it?s flat-out undeniably and starkly blatant today, as our family members and neighbours die, and struggle to put food on the table or keep a roof overhead. > > The thing is, the Pentagon and Trump?s White House don?t get to decide whether the Pentagon gets billions more. Congress does. And that's why we are throwing down to create a wave of public pressure and a storm in the media, and move as many members of Congress to get congressional leadership to reprioritize funding in the next stimulus package, and beyond. > > Will you demand that your members of Congress do everything they can to block the Pentagon and weapons dealers bailout today? > > After signing the petition, please forward this email to your friends. > > World BEYOND War is a global network of volunteers, activists, and allied organizations advocating for the abolition of the very institution of war. Our success is driven by a people-powered movement ? support our work for a culture of peace. > > > World BEYOND War 513 E Main St #1484 Charlottesville, VA 22902 USA > > Privacy policy. > Checks must be made out to "World BEYOND War / AFGJ" or we can't deposit them. > > Sent via ActionNetwork.org . 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