[Peace] Jimmy Dore outdid himself this time, uncloaking the "progressives."

Thu Apr 2 18:29:04 UTC 2020

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 10:49 AM C. G. Estabrook via Peace <
peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

Anglo-Saxon has been a suppressed language since the Norman Conquest (AD
> 1066).
>
> (Modern English has two languages - one for the field, one for the table:
> cattle/beef, sheep/mutton, chicken/fowl, deer/venison, etc.)
>
> Jimmy’s just restoring the balance.
>

So I have to ask, Carl.  Is "fuckin'" for the field or the table?

> > On Apr 2, 2020, at 10:30 AM, David Johnson <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > Jimmy Dore’s language is the norm for most Working class people when
> they are angry.
> > That is the audience he tries to appeal to.
> >
> > I do admit that sometimes his profanity is a bit overboard and makes me
> cringe, but most of the time I feel it is appropriate when targeted against
> certain people and their actions / statements.
> >
> > The problem in this society in my opinion is that there are way too many
> people who are sheep. Many know who is to blame for their problems but they
> don’t have enough anger to do anything about it.
> > I hear WAY too much of ; “ Oh well, that’s just how it is. “
> >
> > David J.
> >
> > From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2020 7:47 AM
> > To: Brussel, Morton K
> > Cc: David Johnson; J.B. Nicholson; C G Estabrook; David Green; Mildred
> O'brien; peace
> > Subject: Re: [Peace] Jimmy Dore outdid himself this time, uncloaking the
> "progressives."
> >
> > I agree Jimmy Dore’s language is quite repelling, though this is
> becoming the norm in media.
> >
> > Stand up comedians tend to be quite vulgar and always have, but at the
> end of the day, nothing is worse than what our government does, and the
> angry words reflect the anger at the horrors being perpetrated against the
> vulnerable,  which has been taking place incrementally for many years, now
> due to the pandemic, as if on steroids.
> >
> > Again, I say look at what they do, not what they say. In the case of our
> elected representatives, it’s their votes that matter.
> >
> > Yes, mass movements are most important and they will take place in the
> very near future by the angry, frustrated, dispossessed. Let us hope they
> are organized, using civil disobedience/resistance, with a plan by leaders
> such as those involved in the Occupy Movement, or Extermination Rebellion
> focused appropriately on government, and Wall St., and don’t take the form
> of the anarchist chaotic bands of gangs as we saw at Berkeley or in
> Portland, using mindless violence fighting one another, creating only chaos.
> >
> >
> >> On Apr 1, 2020, at 20:04, Brussel, Morton K <brussel at illinois.edu>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> It is not clear to me that Sanders, AOC and others on the left of the
> Dem party realized in advance that they would be betrayed/opposed by the
> party “leaders" and that they would in turn betray their initial followers.
> You’d have to crawl into their minds to know that. In any case, they did
> emasculate their following in compromising their initial positions and then
> nosing up to Schumer, Pelosi and company. Deciding finally to back Biden,
> and voting for the retrograde budget. They will most likely be disappointed
> if they think they made friends and gained influence with that group. Their
> seeming initial independence, with its more radical policies on health
> policy, economics, environmentalism, even criticism of Israel, were never
> appreciated. On the contrary, they were considered to be a threat to the
> desired corporate inspired status quo.
> >>
> >> The political system in the country is, and has been, corrupt, and it
> is unclear how it can be cured, except by a mass public eruption, perhaps
> initiated by some disaster such as we are on the verge of seeing. The
> problem has been that the narrative promulgated (on TV, radio, mainstream
> newspapers and periodicals) is controlled by this pervasive media,
> lubricated by money and power interests. Their propaganda makes it
> difficult to effectively organize a large public following against the
> reigning system and to have effective spokespeople heard.
> >>
> >> As an aside, I watched the Jimmy  Dore program. He made his points
> compellingly, but I wondered why he needed to use the obscene language he
> so readily employs? To reach and identify with the masses? To emphasize his
> anger, his dismay, his disgust?
> >> I was repelled by it.
> >>
> >>> On Apr 1, 2020, at 2:42 PM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Well said, David.
> >>>
> >>> Please when able, post your response on FB, on the JD posting I have
> up on AWARE’s FB page, etc.
> >>>
> >>> None of this either disappoints or surprises me, given I have no hope
> that the Democrat Party will do anything but either corrupt well meaning
> people, or in the case of AOC and Ilhan, they were groomed to be
> sheepherders for the DNC, ensuring no third Party captures the majority,
> ensuring the people don’t see the theatrics being played out by these
> individuals receiving media attention as celebrity’s. Something neither
> Jill Stein or Ajamu Baraka were ever able to do.
> >>>
> >>> I agree, elections are tools in the toolbox, the PSL as a Party knows
> and uses this in order to enlighten the public. They however know being a
> minority they will never succeed in winning an election, they just want to
> be heard.
> >>>
> >>> My letter to the NG last December is negative, but it was a warning to
> those who had their hopes up, of what was to come:
> >>>
> >>> Letter to the Editor | One-party system crushing everyone
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> There is a current, new direction the Democrats are forced to take, to
> clean up their image.
> >>> We shouldn’t be fooled though, it’s the position many have been taking
> for some time now, given they aren’t able to hide it any longer.
> >>> The strategy: point out the “division” within the party, and how
> necessary it is to vote and support the new “left wing” of the Democrat
> Party i.e. Sanders, Warren, Gabbard, AOC, etc., as they battle the
> conservative Pelosi, Adam Schiff, Schumer, etc., and all the other war
> mongers, who supported everything the Republicans have been doing, with an
> occasional complaint, to maintain the image of “liberal.”
> >>> It shows a lack of comprehension and acknowledgement that our
> institutions are broken, our capitalist system of empire is dying, and a
> total lack of knowledge related to history and power.
> >>> These leaders aren’t ignorant or stupid. But they are counting on our
> ignorance, our political illiteracy as well as our focus on positive
> thinking to continue this circus of elections ensuring our elitist
> oligarchs maintain power under our two-headed one-party system, thus
> ensuring a third party does not challenge their power.
> >>> Our foreign policy continues as if on auto-pilot, it matters not which
> of the two-party system is in power.
> >>> The goal: to keep us focused on individuals, as the U.S. government
> continues to destroy and impoverish, both here and abroad, as if removal of
> specific individuals will eliminate the rot of our system, given the
> corporate capitalist powers behind the throne.
> >>> KAREN ARAM
> >>> Urbana
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Apr 1, 2020, at 09:59, David Johnson <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Indeed Karen,
> >>>>
> >>>> This is really excellent.
> >>>>
> >>>> Of course it is disheartening at the same time, since one tries to
> use whatever is available, no matter if it is a bit flawed, to accomplish
> something, anything, just so there is some movement in the direction we
> need to be going.
> >>>>
> >>>> This really reveals just how corrupt and powerful the DNC controlled
> Democratic party is.
> >>>> For anyone including myself, who thought that there was a tactical
> chance of creating a people’s opposition inside the Democratic party that
> might someday actually become the majority, well, this is now proof
> positive that that will NEVER happen.
> >>>> It appears that anyone who enters the realm of the Democratic party
> at the national level, no matter how well intentioned they are at first,
> always become corrupted or compromised. OR they are driven out of office
> like they did to Dennis Kucinich and Cynthia McKinney.
> >>>>
> >>>> There is no sugar coating it –  Bernie Sanders, AOC and even my
> favorite, Ihlan Omar, SOLD US OUT !
> >>>> By voting for the corporate robbery bill that is the greatest
> transfer of wealth from the people to the wealthy in the history of the
> world.
> >>>>
> >>>> Of course the above mentioned could not have stopped it, but they
> could have refused to vote for it and used that opportunity to speak out
> and state why, and to attempt to break the bill into two parts. One an
> immediate people’s bail out and the 2nd the corporate bail out to be
> delayed for scrutinizing and negotiation.
> >>>>
> >>>> Negotiation ?... YES, like demanding immediate ; Medicare for All,
> student debt forgiveness, free post high school education, bringing ALL
> U.S. troops home to fight the virus, $ 15 per hour national minimum wage,
> and a $ 1200 per month PERMANENT UBI ( Universal Basic Income ) with NO
> reduction in current social security, food stamp, or public assistance.
> >>>>
> >>>> But oh no, not a single act of opposition, just theatrical speeches
> from Sanders , AOC, et al about how horrible the bill is and then all of
> them voting for it anyway. Boy, that is really using political leverage.
> What a phony opposition, a pseudo resistance to corporate power that
> Pelosi, Schumer, et al and the DNC of course are a part of, along with
> their allies the Republicans.
> >>>>
> >>>> The ONLY solution is  building a people’s party coalition OUTSIDE the
> Democratic party.
> >>>>
> >>>> Of course, electoral politics is NOT the main tool in the tool box.
> Nonviolent yet very confrontational  direct action tactics need to be used.
> However, electoral politics is important IF used correctly. That being as a
> tactic ( a bully pulpit organizing tool ) in conjunction with direct action
> / mobilizations, as opposed to an end in and if itself.
> >>>>
> >>>> WE all have tried to do what we can in the past with varying degrees
> of success, but ultimately it will have to be a huge mobilization by
> younger people in their 20’s and 30’s  before any real change will begin to
> happen.
> >>>> The big question of course is – how bad does it have to get before
> that happens ?
> >>>>
> >>>> My thoughts of the day.
> >>>>
> >>>> David J.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com]
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 8:15 PM
> >>>> To: J.B. Nicholson; C G Estabrook; David Green; David Johnson;
> Brussel, Morton K; Mildred O'brien
> >>>> Cc: peace
> >>>> Subject: Fwd: [Peace] Jimmy Dore outdid himself this time, uncloaking
> the "progressives."
> >>>>
> >>>> Be sure to listen to Brave Republican Stands Against Stimulus ALONE
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I just saw this one by Jimmy Dore, he’s truly outdone himself
> uncloaking the lies and duplicity of the so-called progressives. A must
> listen, Jimmy offers suggestions as to “what is to be done.”
> >>>>
> >>>> https://jimmydorecomedy.com/
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