[Peace] Jimmy Dore outdid himself this time, uncloaking the "progressives."

[John W.]

A most entrancing and erudite etymological excursion, but I'm not seeing
"field" or "table" in there anywhere.  Is there some sort of class
stratification that occurs between the two locations?  Would "field" be the
lower class, and "table" the upper crust?  A sort of outdoors/indoors
distinction?



On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 1:46 PM C. G. Estabrook <carl at newsfromneptune.com>
wrote:

Middle English (which suceeded Anglo-saxon, after the Conquest) had
> *fukken, probably of North Germanic origin: possibly from Old Norse *fukka,
> from Proto-Germanic *fukkōną. Related to dialectal Norwegian fukka (“to
> copulate; fuck”), Bohuslän Swedish fokka (“to fuck; thrust; push”), Faroese
> fukka, modern Swedish focka (“to fire from work”), Swedish fock (“penis”),
> as well as German ficken (“fuck; rub, slide”) (Middle High German ficken
> (“to rub, solidify, strengthen”)) and Dutch fokken (“to breed”) (Middle
> Dutch fokken (“to breed, bump, fuck”)), from Proto-Indo-European *pewǵ-
> ("to strike, punch, stab", whence Latin pugnus (“fist”) and many other
> words).
>
> Possibly attested in a 772 AD charter that mentions a place called
> Fuccerham, which may mean "ham (“home”) of the fucker" or "hamm (“pasture”)
> of the fucker"; a John le Fucker in a record from 1278 may just be a
> variant of Fulcher, like Fucher, Foker, etc. The earliest unambiguous use
> of the word in a clearly sexual context, in any stage of English, appears
> to be in court documents from Cheshire, England, which mention a man called
> "Roger Fuckebythenavele" (possibly tongue-in-cheek, or directly suggestive
> of a sexual act) on December 8, 1310. It was first listed in a dictionary
> in 1598. (Scots fuk/fuck is attested slightly earlier.) From 1500 onward,
> the word has been in continual use, and displaced jape, sard, and swive.
> Wikipedia.
>
> We all know the polite forms, which are Latinate, not Germanic:
> ‘copulate’, etc. They're the upper-class words, the language of the
> conquerors. The reduction of 'impolite' forms to the unmannerly is clear
> class stratification. —CGE
>
>
> > On Apr 2, 2020, at 1:29 PM, John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 10:49 AM C. G. Estabrook via Peace <
> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> >
> > Anglo-Saxon has been a suppressed language since the Norman Conquest (AD
> 1066).
> >
> > (Modern English has two languages - one for the field, one for the
> table: cattle/beef, sheep/mutton, chicken/fowl, deer/venison, etc.)
> >
> > Jimmy’s just restoring the balance.
> >
> >
> > So I have to ask, Carl.  Is "fuckin'" for the field or the table?
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 2, 2020, at 10:30 AM, David Johnson <
> davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > Jimmy Dore’s language is the norm for most Working class people when
> they are angry.
> > > That is the audience he tries to appeal to.
> > >
> > > I do admit that sometimes his profanity is a bit overboard and makes
> me cringe, but most of the time I feel it is appropriate when targeted
> against certain people and their actions / statements.
> > >
> > > The problem in this society in my opinion is that there are way too
> many people who are sheep. Many know who is to blame for their problems but
> they don’t have enough anger to do anything about it.
> > > I hear WAY too much of ; “ Oh well, that’s just how it is. “
> > >
> > > David J.
> > >
> > > From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2020 7:47 AM
> > > To: Brussel, Morton K
> > > Cc: David Johnson; J.B. Nicholson; C G Estabrook; David Green; Mildred
> O'brien; peace
> > > Subject: Re: [Peace] Jimmy Dore outdid himself this time, uncloaking
> the "progressives."
> > >
> > > I agree Jimmy Dore’s language is quite repelling, though this is
> becoming the norm in media.
> > >
> > > Stand up comedians tend to be quite vulgar and always have, but at the
> end of the day, nothing is worse than what our government does, and the
> angry words reflect the anger at the horrors being perpetrated against the
> vulnerable,  which has been taking place incrementally for many years, now
> due to the pandemic, as if on steroids.
> > >
> > > Again, I say look at what they do, not what they say. In the case of
> our elected representatives, it’s their votes that matter.
> > >
> > > Yes, mass movements are most important and they will take place in the
> very near future by the angry, frustrated, dispossessed. Let us hope they
> are organized, using civil disobedience/resistance, with a plan by leaders
> such as those involved in the Occupy Movement, or Extermination Rebellion
> focused appropriately on government, and Wall St., and don’t take the form
> of the anarchist chaotic bands of gangs as we saw at Berkeley or in
> Portland, using mindless violence fighting one another, creating only chaos.
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Apr 1, 2020, at 20:04, Brussel, Morton K <brussel at illinois.edu>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> It is not clear to me that Sanders, AOC and others on the left of the
> Dem party realized in advance that they would be betrayed/opposed by the
> party “leaders" and that they would in turn betray their initial followers.
> You’d have to crawl into their minds to know that. In any case, they did
> emasculate their following in compromising their initial positions and then
> nosing up to Schumer, Pelosi and company. Deciding finally to back Biden,
> and voting for the retrograde budget. They will most likely be disappointed
> if they think they made friends and gained influence with that group. Their
> seeming initial independence, with its more radical policies on health
> policy, economics, environmentalism, even criticism of Israel, were never
> appreciated. On the contrary, they were considered to be a threat to the
> desired corporate inspired status quo.
> > >>
> > >> The political system in the country is, and has been, corrupt, and it
> is unclear how it can be cured, except by a mass public eruption, perhaps
> initiated by some disaster such as we are on the verge of seeing. The
> problem has been that the narrative promulgated (on TV, radio, mainstream
> newspapers and periodicals) is controlled by this pervasive media,
> lubricated by money and power interests. Their propaganda makes it
> difficult to effectively organize a large public following against the
> reigning system and to have effective spokespeople heard.
> > >>
> > >> As an aside, I watched the Jimmy  Dore program. He made his points
> compellingly, but I wondered why he needed to use the obscene language he
> so readily employs? To reach and identify with the masses? To emphasize his
> anger, his dismay, his disgust?
> > >> I was repelled by it.
> > >>
> > >>> On Apr 1, 2020, at 2:42 PM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Well said, David.
> > >>>
> > >>> Please when able, post your response on FB, on the JD posting I have
> up on AWARE’s FB page, etc.
> > >>>
> > >>> None of this either disappoints or surprises me, given I have no
> hope that the Democrat Party will do anything but either corrupt well
> meaning people, or in the case of AOC and Ilhan, they were groomed to be
> sheepherders for the DNC, ensuring no third Party captures the majority,
> ensuring the people don’t see the theatrics being played out by these
> individuals receiving media attention as celebrity’s. Something neither
> Jill Stein or Ajamu Baraka were ever able to do.
> > >>>
> > >>> I agree, elections are tools in the toolbox, the PSL as a Party
> knows and uses this in order to enlighten the public. They however know
> being a minority they will never succeed in winning an election, they just
> want to be heard.
> > >>>
> > >>> My letter to the NG last December is negative, but it was a warning
> to those who had their hopes up, of what was to come:
> > >>>
> > >>> Letter to the Editor | One-party system crushing everyone
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> There is a current, new direction the Democrats are forced to take,
> to clean up their image.
> > >>> We shouldn’t be fooled though, it’s the position many have been
> taking for some time now, given they aren’t able to hide it any longer.
> > >>> The strategy: point out the “division” within the party, and how
> necessary it is to vote and support the new “left wing” of the Democrat
> Party i.e. Sanders, Warren, Gabbard, AOC, etc., as they battle the
> conservative Pelosi, Adam Schiff, Schumer, etc., and all the other war
> mongers, who supported everything the Republicans have been doing, with an
> occasional complaint, to maintain the image of “liberal.”
> > >>> It shows a lack of comprehension and acknowledgement that our
> institutions are broken, our capitalist system of empire is dying, and a
> total lack of knowledge related to history and power.
> > >>> These leaders aren’t ignorant or stupid. But they are counting on
> our ignorance, our political illiteracy as well as our focus on positive
> thinking to continue this circus of elections ensuring our elitist
> oligarchs maintain power under our two-headed one-party system, thus
> ensuring a third party does not challenge their power.
> > >>> Our foreign policy continues as if on auto-pilot, it matters not
> which of the two-party system is in power.
> > >>> The goal: to keep us focused on individuals, as the U.S. government
> continues to destroy and impoverish, both here and abroad, as if removal of
> specific individuals will eliminate the rot of our system, given the
> corporate capitalist powers behind the throne.
> > >>> KAREN ARAM
> > >>> Urbana
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Apr 1, 2020, at 09:59, David Johnson <
> davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Indeed Karen,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> This is really excellent.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Of course it is disheartening at the same time, since one tries to
> use whatever is available, no matter if it is a bit flawed, to accomplish
> something, anything, just so there is some movement in the direction we
> need to be going.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> This really reveals just how corrupt and powerful the DNC
> controlled Democratic party is.
> > >>>> For anyone including myself, who thought that there was a tactical
> chance of creating a people’s opposition inside the Democratic party that
> might someday actually become the majority, well, this is now proof
> positive that that will NEVER happen.
> > >>>> It appears that anyone who enters the realm of the Democratic party
> at the national level, no matter how well intentioned they are at first,
> always become corrupted or compromised. OR they are driven out of office
> like they did to Dennis Kucinich and Cynthia McKinney.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> There is no sugar coating it –  Bernie Sanders, AOC and even my
> favorite, Ihlan Omar, SOLD US OUT !
> > >>>> By voting for the corporate robbery bill that is the greatest
> transfer of wealth from the people to the wealthy in the history of the
> world.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Of course the above mentioned could not have stopped it, but they
> could have refused to vote for it and used that opportunity to speak out
> and state why, and to attempt to break the bill into two parts. One an
> immediate people’s bail out and the 2nd the corporate bail out to be
> delayed for scrutinizing and negotiation.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Negotiation ?... YES, like demanding immediate ; Medicare for All,
> student debt forgiveness, free post high school education, bringing ALL
> U.S. troops home to fight the virus, $ 15 per hour national minimum wage,
> and a $ 1200 per month PERMANENT UBI ( Universal Basic Income ) with NO
> reduction in current social security, food stamp, or public assistance.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> But oh no, not a single act of opposition, just theatrical speeches
> from Sanders , AOC, et al about how horrible the bill is and then all of
> them voting for it anyway. Boy, that is really using political leverage.
> What a phony opposition, a pseudo resistance to corporate power that
> Pelosi, Schumer, et al and the DNC of course are a part of, along with
> their allies the Republicans.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The ONLY solution is  building a people’s party coalition OUTSIDE
> the Democratic party.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Of course, electoral politics is NOT the main tool in the tool box.
> Nonviolent yet very confrontational  direct action tactics need to be used.
> However, electoral politics is important IF used correctly. That being as a
> tactic ( a bully pulpit organizing tool ) in conjunction with direct action
> / mobilizations, as opposed to an end in and if itself.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> WE all have tried to do what we can in the past with varying
> degrees of success, but ultimately it will have to be a huge mobilization
> by younger people in their 20’s and 30’s  before any real change will begin
> to happen.
> > >>>> The big question of course is – how bad does it have to get before
> that happens ?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> My thoughts of the day.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> David J.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com]
> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 8:15 PM
> > >>>> To: J.B. Nicholson; C G Estabrook; David Green; David Johnson;
> Brussel, Morton K; Mildred O'brien
> > >>>> Cc: peace
> > >>>> Subject: Fwd: [Peace] Jimmy Dore outdid himself this time,
> uncloaking the "progressives."
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Be sure to listen to Brave Republican Stands Against Stimulus ALONE
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I just saw this one by Jimmy Dore, he’s truly outdone himself
> uncloaking the lies and duplicity of the so-called progressives. A must
> listen, Jimmy offers suggestions as to “what is to be done.”
> > >>>>
> > >>>> https://jimmydorecomedy.com/
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