[Peace] A useful set of opinions and suggestions

Sat May 9 15:46:49 UTC 2020

Biden is a pathological liar, a racist, and a misogynist sexual predator just like Trump.

Biden supported segregation and opposed busing, 

Biden supported the drug war and the crime bill of mass incarceration.

Biden supported cutting ( REPEATEDLY over the years ) Social Security and Medicare

Biden OPPOSES Medicare for All

Biden not only voted for the invasion of Iraq, but was a cheerleader for the invasion and praised Bush for his “ leadership “.

Biden is a war monger and an imperialist to his core.

Biden opposes a national $ 15 per hour minimum wage and the federal legalization of marijuana.

Biden supports job destroying corporate trade treaties and opposes the repeal of the anti-Union Taft Hartley Act

Biden opposes the Green New Deal

Biden opposes free post high school education and student debt forgiveness

From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of David Johnson via Peace
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2020 10:33 AM
To: 'Debra Schrishuhn'
Cc: 'Karen Aram'; 'Morton K. Brussel'; 'Peace'
Subject: Re: [Peace] A useful set of opinions and suggestions

Yes Deb,

I know the reality, but You don’t seem to have a clue as to what the REAL power dynamics are in this country.

Re-Read what I wrote ( especially the first paragraph )  and try to refute the specific points I made. 

As long as people like you keep voting for corporate candidates, you are NOT resisting, you are collaborating !

You are doing exactly what the ruling class wants.

When I vote for the Green party it is NOT to “ sooth  my conscience “, it is because I do NOT vote for anyone who does not represent my interests or the interests of working people in general. I don’t owe my vote to anyone, you have to EARN my vote.  Therefore neither Trump or Biden or Londrigen or Durbin support any issues that will improve my life or the life of working people in general so, NO VOTE.

Not to mention that despite all of the ballot access obstacles that you and other partisan Democrats support that makes it ten times more difficult to get a 3rd party on the ballot and the prevention of Greens and other 3rd party candidates from being in public and televised debates, The Green party is still nevertheless the 3rd largest political party in the U.S. with over 140 elected officials around the country. Room to expand, definitely, and as polls have shown, more and more Americans are becoming increasingly disgusted with the U.S. political process and support by 60 % margin, the need for another 3rd party. So as things get worse, and they will regardless which rapist / racist / warmonger ( Biden or Trump ) gets elected, the Democratic party will become more and more irrelevant. 

Until you stop voting for these bastards Deb, they will NOT take you seriously and things will continue to get worse and worse, just like they have for the last 40 years. What was the famous quote from Einstein ; The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Well that is what you and all of the other liberal Democrats are doing every 2-4 years. You keep making the same tired worn out arguments about how things will change for the better if we just keep voting for more Democrats, any Democrat , regardless of how bought and paid for they are by corporate money. And then you wonder why we are STILL on a FORTY YEAR decline and still declining.

Just a reminder, the largest voting bloc are those who consider themselves “ Independents “  = 48 % ( Vs. 26 % Democrats and 26 % Republicans = 52 % ).

Independents ( like me ) will NOT vote for someone like Joe Biden, just like in 2016 they ( and I ) refused to vote for Hillary Clinton, so unless something really dramatic happens between now and November, we will have another four years of Trump.

You can thank the DNC for that, so if you are happy with the rigged game ( using your casino analogy ) where we always lose and the corporate special interests always win, then keep playing if it makes you feel better. You can always say, ; “ Oh well that’s just how it is, oh well “.

David J.

From: Debra Schrishuhn [mailto:deb.pdamerica at gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2020 4:57 AM
To: David Johnson
Cc: Morton K. Brussel; Karen Aram; Peace
Subject: Re: [Peace] A useful set of opinions and suggestions

David,

I am not defending Joe Biden. The line I quoted was from Randall Nelson (see above). The stark reality is that either Donald Trump or Joe Biden will be our next President. To me, the choice is clear and I will (albeit reluctantly and without enthusiasm) cast my vote (probably by mail) for Biden. Joe Biden will win the 20 electoral votes of Illinois without your assistance. As the saying goes, you play the hand you are dealt, even though, as the laws of both gambling and physics remind us, you can't win, you can't break even, and you can't get out of the game. Nevertheless, we persist in our resistance. It's what humans do.

Now, we can discuss the morality (or lack thereof) of the Electoral College 'til the proverbial cows come home, but sometime before January 20, 2021, they will convene and select the next U.S. President. We can hold up past Presidents, both Democrats and Republicans, as corporate-owned warmongers ultimately beholden to an elite ruling class. We are confronted, in less than six months, by a choice between Donald Trump and Joe Biden. Period. There is no viable or probable third choice.

Vote Green Party if it soothes your conscience and helps you sleep at night. For the Green Party to be viable, it would need to start running and winning at the local level to demonstrate its ability to govern and grow a winning coalition. How many candidates does the local Green Party plan to run in November? In the consolidated local elections of 2021? How many candidates did the local Green Party run in 2018? 2019? Local governance is not sexy; it's a long slog through bureaucracy and petty fiefdoms of (too many) maladjusted people trying to be the big fish in a small pond. However, local governance is the place where coalitions are built (see career of Bernie Sanders, for example), both inside and outside the walls of power. For outside groups to gain power, they have to get inside without being corrupted. It's tough, and few manage to achieve any measure of success. No, power does not concede without a demand, but the demand must be backed up by currency, if you will, that power understands. That currency is a bloc of votes; first on the school board or city council, then on the county board, and up the ladder to state and federal offices. Start running candidates from your non-corporate party and go from there.

Deb

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 1:09 PM David Johnson via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

Mort,

To answer your question about if I care or not if Trump gets another term, then I with all due respect, ask you to re-read what I wrote.

In particular the very first sentence which I guess cannot be over emphasized.

It is a charade Mort, Joe Biden is NOT FDR and Donald Trump is NOT the anti-Christ Fascist many would like us to believe he is. 

BOTH Biden and Trump and the political parties that they represent are controlled by the SAME corporate donors who rule this country. Regardless which one of THEIR candidates is elected, the same policies will continue that they have already planned to implement.

In the meantime the ruling class will continue their tactics of ; divide and conquer, Kabuki theater distractions, and the latest evil foreigners / foreign governments we are supposed to fear and hate. The corporate media the oligarchy owns will create a reality TV show spectacle between now and the election ( if we have one ) to create the illusion that the election between Donald Trump VS. Joe Biden, or whoever the DNC replaces him with, will be the greatest show on earth, a battle for Armageddon, while the bi-partisan corporate ruling class sit back, laugh, and count all of their new money from the 6 TRILION DOLLAR robbery of us the taxpayers. It won’t matter to them who wins, they own both Trump and Biden. That is how corporate elites play, they always hedge their bets.

The only thing they fear is the emergence of a non-corporate third party controlled by THE PEOPLE.

But at the moment we have the real threat of a pandemic, that the ruling class has used as a smoke screen to rob our public treasury, suspend Union contracts, and increase belligerent actions against Venezuela and other countries not under their control in the corporate Pax Americana empire. All in conjunction WITH the DEMOCRATS. This will be real interesting to see how this plays out come November 2020 election day, to see how or even IF we have an election. Whatever transpires it will NOT be Trump’s decision, but what he is TOLD to do by the corporate oligarchy.

In the meantime, I have hope in the numerous wildcat strikes and direct actions happening around the country that the corporate owned media of course is ignoring but is being reported by independent journalists and activists via the internet.

These types of direct actions is what will be the catalyst for future change for the better.  NOT electing Joe fuckin Biden and any Blue will Do corporate owned Democrat. Elections are a useful tool. One of many tools in our tool box. But they are only effective IF we have a direct action social-political movement behind it, propelling it, controlling it. That is an anti-corporate party of the people and not the corporate donor class.

This is how things have changed for the better in the past. Not by begging the ruling class, not by trying to appeal to their better judgement or the “ kindness “ of their sociopathic hearts, or by voting for one of the two pre-selected corporate controlled candidates. 

Power concedes NOTHING without a demand and actions to back up and make the demand happen.

David J.

From: Morton K. Brussel [mailto:mkb3 at icloud.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 4:25 PM
To: David Johnson
Cc: Morton K. Brussel; Karen Aram; Peace
Subject: Re: [Peace] A useful set of opinions and suggestions

Dave,

So, you don’t fear or care if Trump gets another term? I do, despite not disagreeing with most of your arguments. Despite what you say, this election is important just so the present government leadership does not continue.  I can’t imagine any worse outcomes then to again have Pompeo, Abrams, Pence, Vos, and the like again destroying lives here and abroad. Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, …, the “Justice” department and the Supreme Court. Saying we must organize for a better future is valid, but it does not seem feasible to me in the short term, in the next months or year, unless a popular reawakening and action dramatically changes. Do you think the Green Party is up to the challenge? Coronavirus could present an opportunity given how dreadful economic conditions are given all those now unemployed, —or perhaps the converse, totalitarianism may emerge?

"Nothing will change for the better"? But it can well change for the worse. And by November. We are between a rock and a hard place. 

On May 7, 2020, at 1:05 PM, David Johnson via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

Mort,

The President of the United States does NOTHING without the support of the majority of the U.S. corporate oligarchy.

IF Fascism comes to the U.S., it will only happen if that is what a majority of the corporate ruling class wants, and that can happen under Biden just as easily as Trump.

The proof is in the pudding in regards to how ineffective this failed strategy of lesser evil voting has been for the last 30 years. More often than not, the lesser evil is the more EFFECTIVE evil.  A Republican like Bob Dole and H.W. Bush during the 1990’s would never have been able to get all of the horrible laws passed that Bill Clinton did. Like NAFTA, the racist crime bill, the destruction of aid to families with dependent children, the telecommunications act, the destabilization and destruction of Yugoslavia, and last but not least, the repeal of the Glass Stiegel Act. I could provide an even longer list for Obama.

NOTHING will change for the better in this country until we have a REAL opposition party which takes no corporate money and has a movement behind it. 

The failure of Bernie Sanders ( who I supported ) is proof that the corporate oligarchy will NEVER allow change for the better to happen within the Democratic party. And in addition, the Democratic party is corrupting. Look at how fast AOC, Rashid Taibi, Ro Khana, and even TUlsi Gabbard and Ihlan Omar, and Bernie Sanders folded and went along with the corporate agenda with this recent SIX TRILLION DOLLAR corporate robbery. Not to mention Sanders refusing to call out and challenge the massive ELECTION FRAUD used against him on Super Tuesday and how fast he folded up his campaign and supported Biden. All have bent the knee to the corporate oligarchy through it’s surrogate the DNC.

We need a REAL opposition and a REAL resistance, NOT two corporate parties pretending to be enemies and then wondering why things continue to get worse ( a 40 year decline since 1980 ) and nothing changes for the better. 

And as Karen said, there is a storm of social unrest coming, and if people like us do not offer solutions ( as opposed to telling them to vote for more Democrats who are as mush the reason for the problems we have as the Republicans )  than the real Fascists will offer them a “ solution “.

David J.

From: Peace [ <mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net> mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Morton K. Brussel via Peace
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 11:38 AM
To: Karen Aram
Cc: Morton K. Brussel; Peace
Subject: Re: [Peace] A useful set of opinions and suggestions

You will be interested in a debate/exchange/discussion between Paul Jay and ?? Prasad, who takes your position. This debate is also available on Jay’s new outlet. 

The question not answered to my satisfaction is what to do about the coming election? Ignore it, and wait for better opportunities, or realize that another four years of Trump administration can be world shaking, one way or the other. Chomsky understands and worries about this; he is not alone.   Prasad says “we" just have to work harder to assemble a truly militant and progressive mass who could swing things towards a more promising world for most of its population. Yet, he is not optimistic that it can be done!. So what to do now? As compromised and bad as Biden and the Dems in general are nationally, they are better than the Repubs on many crucial, if not all, issues. The environment, equity/justice?, education, universal health, climate change, …, some arguable. Better at holding back emerging facism. 

It’s a pretty dreadful situation we are all facing, agravated now with the pandemic and its foreboding consequences.

On May 7, 2020, at 9:14 AM, Karen Aram via Peace < <mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

Sorry, but I found the article very disappointing. Paul Jay is little different than Chomsky, with his support for Biden “as the lesser evil.” 

They do a great job of defining the problem, but their recommended solutions support the very problem defined.

This continuation of support for the Democrat Party, I’m referring to the federal government, not local which is a different topic all together, because the Republican Party is so awful, given they are basically one and the same, differing only in respect to strategy and tactics, keeps liberals in fantasy land, and on their asses arguing over which team is better as if a football game, and every four years voting, which is also a joke, given the corruption involved in our so called democracy. 

The statement: "Before Covid-19, as the primaries were held, the economy appeared to be robust and enough people were doing well enough to avoid social unrest. Fear of Trump and a full court press against Sanders waged by the Democratic Party establishment and its media allies, made people reluctant to break from conventional politics. It swung the vote to Biden,”

is the most accurate portrayal of US electoral politics. It is the goal of the DNC ruling elites to prevent social unrest, which could possibly result in system change. Make no mistake there will be social unrest, the disenfranchised will break out in anarchy, and violence resulting in chaos and destruction unless middle class liberals join up with those suffering inequality and whats to come, in changing our system of capitalism which is responsible for all. 

Yes, there needs to be a plan, organized with an agenda for what takes place after, as well as leadership. There are organizations offering such, and only if they join together in common cause utilizing civil resistance with protests, marches, strikes, sit downs, preventing business as usual, focusing not on one person in the WH, but Congress, Wall St., the banks, etc……….

On May 6, 2020, at 18:31, Morton K. Brussel via Peace < <mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

By Paul Jay. 

 <https://theanalysis.news/commentary/covid-19-get-ready-for-the-coming-storm/> https://theanalysis.news/commentary/covid-19-get-ready-for-the-coming-storm/
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