From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu Jul 1 01:50:52 2021 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2021 20:50:52 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Fwd: Message from Ajamu Baraka References: Message-ID: > Subject: Message from Ajamu Baraka > > Ajamu Baraka > > 3h ? > > Hood Communist > 3h ? > ?Given the catastrophic effects of the U.S.-NATO intervention in Libya, the Black Alliance for Peace?s U.S. Out of Africa Network and BAP member organization Horn of Africa Pan-Africans for Liberation & Solidarity (HOA PALS), condemn, under no uncertain terms, any and all forms of intervention and meddling in the conflict in Ethiopia. As it did against Libya, U.S. imperialism is weaponizing disinformation and misinformation to exploit and distort the complexity, historical context and political realities in the Horn of Africa to create the pretext for more direct intervention. > ?Should those responsible for undermining a resolution of the crisis in Tigray fail to reverse course, they should anticipate further actions from the United States and the international community. We call on other governments to join us in taking these actions.? > ?U.S. Secretary of State, Antony Blinken, May 23, 2021 press statement > The attack on the federal base by the Tigray People?s Liberation Front (TPLF) that started the conflict is now being used as a de-facto instrument of U.S. policy in Ethiopia to justify ?humanitarian intervention.? In this way, the primary contradiction in the Tigray region reflects broader dynamics in the Horn of Africa as a whole and can be boiled down to the common denominators of global capitalist hegemony and Western imperialism by way of its proxy actor, the TPLF. Western powers only curtail the right of self-determination for the Horn of Africa and Global South states. > We condemn all military violence, extrajudicial killings, sexual violence, displacement, theft, discrimination, harassment and intimidation perpetrated on innocent Tigrayans, as well as any and all unnecessary violence perpetrated on other Ethiopians and Eritreans in the ongoing conflict as a result of their ethnic, religious, or national identity, refugee status or political affiliation. We unequivocally support and uplift mutual cooperation, solidarity, and peace among all parties and people in Ethiopia, Eritrea, and the broader Horn of Africa region. > We support African-led, localized conflict resolution that is not tied to advancing imperialism, neo-colonialism or any other nefarious Western agendas. We believe in the inherent agency and ability of Africans on the continent to reach a resolution to the conflict peacefully and independently of Western aggression, destabilization, and extractive and exploitative economic interests.? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As it did against Libya, U.S. imperialism is weaponizing disinformation and misinformation to exploit and distort the complexity, historical context and political realities in the Horn of Africa to create the pretext for more direct intervention. > ?Should those responsible for undermining a resolution of the crisis in Tigray fail to reverse course, they should anticipate further actions from the United States and the international community. We call on other governments to join us in taking these actions.? > ?U.S. Secretary of State, Antony Blinken, May 23, 2021 press statement > The attack on the federal base by the Tigray People?s Liberation Front (TPLF) that started the conflict is now being used as a de-facto instrument of U.S. policy in Ethiopia to justify ?humanitarian intervention.? In this way, the primary contradiction in the Tigray region reflects broader dynamics in the Horn of Africa as a whole and can be boiled down to the common denominators of global capitalist hegemony and Western imperialism by way of its proxy actor, the TPLF. Western powers only curtail the right of self-determination for the Horn of Africa and Global South states. > We condemn all military violence, extrajudicial killings, sexual violence, displacement, theft, discrimination, harassment and intimidation perpetrated on innocent Tigrayans, as well as any and all unnecessary violence perpetrated on other Ethiopians and Eritreans in the ongoing conflict as a result of their ethnic, religious, or national identity, refugee status or political affiliation. We unequivocally support and uplift mutual cooperation, solidarity, and peace among all parties and people in Ethiopia, Eritrea, and the broader Horn of Africa region. > We support African-led, localized conflict resolution that is not tied to advancing imperialism, neo-colonialism or any other nefarious Western agendas. We believe in the inherent agency and ability of Africans on the continent to reach a resolution to the conflict peacefully and independently of Western aggression, destabilization, and extractive and exploitative economic interests.? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu Jul 1 19:32:48 2021 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2021 14:32:48 -0500 Subject: [Peace] =?utf-8?b?RndkOiDij7BUaW1lIGlzIHRpY2tpbmcuLi4=?= References: <60ddf43925abf_7746e94f58576ea@asgworker-qmb3-13.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> Message-ID: > > > > Tell the House Armed Services Committee: No $$ for Nukes or Saber-rattling with China! > > Add your name!? > Dear Karen, > > ? The House Armed Services Committee is deliberating now on the Pentagon budget for 2022. > > Do you want that to includeBILLIONS for nuclear weapons and the Pacific Deterrence Initiative, both dangerous programs that threaten to escalate conflict with China? > > Demand that the House Armed Services Committee defunds nuclear weapons and the anti-China Pacific Deterrence Initiative! > Earlier this year, President Biden released his Pentagon budget proposal for 2022, which included billions in down payments for a $2 trillion dollar nuclear rearmament program, including 600 new land-based intercontinental missiles with warheads 20 times more lethal than the atomic bombs the U.S. dropped on Japan. The House Armed Services Committee has the power to reject President Biden?s dangerous recommendation, and needs to hear from you. > This costly nuclear modernization is even more alarming in the context of increasing anti-China rhetoric that inflates the threat of China as a justification for further military spending like that of the Pacific Deterrence Initiative. Instead of escalating tensions and instigating war with another nuclear power like China, the U.S. should stop spreading this deadly anti-China propaganda and invest in global peace and cooperation. > > Call on the House Armed Services Committee to defund nuclear weapons and the dangerous Pacific Deterrence Initiative! > > Instead of investing our limited tax dollars into combating real existential threats like climate change, the Pacific Deterrence Initiative invests in environmentally destructive and expensive military equipment like the DDG-51 Arleigh Burke-class destroyer. A single destroyer like this costs 2 billion dollars, which means that 40% of the entire program budget will be spent procuring a single ship that will contribute to climate change without protecting American lives. With Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin serving on the Board of Directors for Raytheon, we know that this drive for more costly and catastrophic U.S. wars can be directly traced to the need to maintain a profit-driven war economy, and as U.S. citizens, we must challenge this! > > The House Armed Services Committee has a simple choice: they can either use their power to rubber stamp a dangerous escalation of tensions with China and a new terrifying nuclear arms race that pushes us to the brink of global annihilation or reject President Biden?s recommendation and, instead, foster global stability and survival of the human race. > > Let?s send powerful politicians on the House Armed Services Committee a clear message : the people want to defund nuclear weapons, avoid war with China, and invest in the safety of our planet! > > Towards Peace! > > Towards peace, > > Carley, Madison, Jodie, RJ and the CODEPINK Team > > PS: Spread the message of non-violence and buy our Imagine a World Without Weapons T-Shirt! 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So many cars stopping patiently to allow them to pass. I almost forgot the senseless slaughter at Crystal Lake Park last year, when one hundred seventy five were mercilessly gassed. There are more humane ways of dealing with over population. Today I heard of another geese slaughter, horrifying many residents in the Beringer Commons. Just as our bombs continue to drop across the globe killing and horrifying, we continue the needless slaughter of both geese and people. Saturday, July 3 at 10-11am protest the slaughter. At the entrance gates to Beringer Commons?East Main/Rt. 150 & High Cross Road, Urbana 61801. From deb.pdamerica at gmail.com Sat Jul 3 10:18:53 2021 From: deb.pdamerica at gmail.com (Debra Schrishuhn) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2021 05:18:53 -0500 Subject: [Peace] My letter to NG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for your letter, Karen. Quite a few prominent citizens live in Beringer Commons. And their silence on the goose slaughter is deafening. I guess some are more worthy of Peace and Justice than others. Deb On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 5:17 PM karen via Peace wrote: > I love Champaign Urbana, after living in as many as seven states and > three Asian nations. I settled here little over ten years ago to be near my > daughter in grad school at the U of I. > > There are many reasons to love this city, a politically active community > is one. The many trees and parks another. > > Most of all is the people, rich with diversity, and a strong community > sense one doesn?t find everywhere. > > I was thinking about all of this when stuck in traffic recently, as I > watched a gaggle of geese crossing the road at Market Square. Adults and > babies taking their rightful place in nature. So many cars stopping > patiently to allow them to pass. I almost forgot the senseless slaughter at > Crystal Lake Park last year, when one hundred seventy five were mercilessly > gassed. There are more humane ways of dealing with over population. > > Today I heard of another geese slaughter, horrifying many residents in the > Beringer Commons. > > Just as our bombs continue to drop across the globe killing and > horrifying, we continue the needless slaughter of both geese and people. > > Saturday, July 3 at 10-11am protest the slaughter. At the entrance gates > to Beringer Commons?East Main/Rt. 150 & High Cross Road, Urbana 61801. > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat Jul 3 11:04:48 2021 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2021 06:04:48 -0500 Subject: [Peace] My letter to NG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Deb, One might say it?s little different than the silence of so many people in relation to the lives we destroy with our bombs overseas, and bullets here. ?Some are more worthy of peace and justice than others.? > On Jul 3, 2021, at 5:18 AM, Debra Schrishuhn wrote: > > Thanks for your letter, Karen. Quite a few prominent citizens live in Beringer Commons. And their silence on the goose slaughter is deafening. I guess some are more worthy of Peace and Justice than others. > Deb > > On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 5:17 PM karen via Peace > wrote: > I love Champaign Urbana, after living in as many as seven states and three Asian nations. I settled here little over ten years ago to be near my daughter in grad school at the U of I. > > There are many reasons to love this city, a politically active community is one. The many trees and parks another. > > Most of all is the people, rich with diversity, and a strong community sense one doesn?t find everywhere. > > I was thinking about all of this when stuck in traffic recently, as I watched a gaggle of geese crossing the road at Market Square. Adults and babies taking their rightful place in nature. So many cars stopping patiently to allow them to pass. I almost forgot the senseless slaughter at Crystal Lake Park last year, when one hundred seventy five were mercilessly gassed. There are more humane ways of dealing with over population. > > Today I heard of another geese slaughter, horrifying many residents in the Beringer Commons. > > Just as our bombs continue to drop across the globe killing and horrifying, we continue the needless slaughter of both geese and people. > > Saturday, July 3 at 10-11am protest the slaughter. At the entrance gates to Beringer Commons?East Main/Rt. 150 & High Cross Road, Urbana 61801. > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deb.pdamerica at gmail.com Sun Jul 4 09:16:09 2021 From: deb.pdamerica at gmail.com (Debra Schrishuhn) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2021 04:16:09 -0500 Subject: [Peace] My letter to NG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yup. When we compartmentalize and prioritize who is worthy or what is worthy, we lose sight of the reality that if one is worthy, then all are worthy. If one is expendable, then all are expendable.We are all connected, and as a wise man once sang: "Silence like a cancer grows...." On Sat, Jul 3, 2021 at 6:04 AM karen wrote: > > Thanks Deb, > > One might say it?s little different than the silence of so many people in > relation to the lives we destroy with our bombs overseas, and bullets here. > ?Some are more worthy of peace and justice than others.? > > > > On Jul 3, 2021, at 5:18 AM, Debra Schrishuhn > wrote: > > Thanks for your letter, Karen. Quite a few prominent citizens live in > Beringer Commons. And their silence on the goose slaughter is deafening. I > guess some are more worthy of Peace and Justice than others. > Deb > > On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 5:17 PM karen via Peace > wrote: > >> I love Champaign Urbana, after living in as many as seven states and >> three Asian nations. I settled here little over ten years ago to be near my >> daughter in grad school at the U of I. >> >> There are many reasons to love this city, a politically active community >> is one. The many trees and parks another. >> >> Most of all is the people, rich with diversity, and a strong community >> sense one doesn?t find everywhere. >> >> I was thinking about all of this when stuck in traffic recently, as I >> watched a gaggle of geese crossing the road at Market Square. Adults and >> babies taking their rightful place in nature. So many cars stopping >> patiently to allow them to pass. I almost forgot the senseless slaughter at >> Crystal Lake Park last year, when one hundred seventy five were mercilessly >> gassed. There are more humane ways of dealing with over population. >> >> Today I heard of another geese slaughter, horrifying many residents in >> the Beringer Commons. >> >> Just as our bombs continue to drop across the globe killing and >> horrifying, we continue the needless slaughter of both geese and people. >> >> Saturday, July 3 at 10-11am protest the slaughter. At the entrance gates >> to Beringer Commons?East Main/Rt. 150 & High Cross Road, Urbana 61801. >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue Jul 6 19:28:58 2021 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen aram) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2021 14:28:58 -0500 Subject: [Peace] A successful protest.... Message-ID: is when you get those whose actions you?re protesting, to listen and agree, that?s success. https://youtu.be/dx4vt4v1MzY -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue Jul 6 19:28:58 2021 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen aram) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2021 14:28:58 -0500 Subject: [Peace] A successful protest.... Message-ID: is when you get those whose actions you?re protesting, to listen and agree, that?s success. https://youtu.be/dx4vt4v1MzY -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Jul 7 18:03:29 2021 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen aram) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2021 13:03:29 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Haiti Message-ID: https://blackallianceforpeace.com/bapstatements/moiseassassination From carl at newsfromneptune.com Tue Jul 13 21:21:09 2021 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 16:21:09 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Fwd: A major university is harvesting baby parts... References: <1626210519856.a8277050-787b-440c-97b4-ff926148f11e@bf10x.hubspotemail.net> Message-ID: <34E27CD6-F351-43F9-8549-DAE6F906EC89@newsfromneptune.com> > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Lauren Merz > Subject: A major university is harvesting baby parts... > Date: July 13, 2021 at 4:18:48 PM CDT > To: carl at newsfromneptune.com > Reply-To: lauren.merz at liveaction.org > > Carl, > > In case you missed the news last week, the University of San Francisco (UCSF) is harvesting body parts of aborted (murdered) babies. > > Newly obtained emails show logs of what body parts were harvested. > > 42 of 43 logs show documentation for the harvesting of genitalia and/or gonads. > > It?s horribly ironic, isn?t it ? that the people who work for so-called ?reproductive justice,? are harvesting the reproductive organs of tiny little human beings whose lives have been brutally ended through abortion. > > You can read more here: https://www.liveaction.org/news/ucsf-callous-abortion-harvesting-exposed-records/ > > This is how evil the abortion industry is. Every American needs to know this. > > You can take action right now to help put an end to these latest abortion industry horrors! > > Here are 3 ways you can get involved now: > > Share this story with your friends on social media and/or forward this email to 5 friends, everyone needs to know what the abortion industry is doing here! https://www.liveaction.org/news/ucsf-callous-abortion-harvesting-exposed-records/ > > You can contact Pro-Life San Francisco (PLSF), which is organizing a campaign to shut these people down: https://www.prolifesf.com/ucsf > > There is a call to action button at the bottom of their website linked. You can also ask the head of PLSF if there is anything else she could specifically need help with. > > There is an upcoming meeting with the UC Board of Regents, who oversee all of this, and PLSF has been making calls into these meetings to demand an end to this ?research.? Here is their Facebook event page with all the action items and everything you need, including a fact sheet and sample talking points you can use for your calls: > https://www.facebook.com/events/4212337198835928/?ti=ls > To give you an idea of how widespread this problem is, our friend David Daleiden has dedicated his life?s work to expose and put an end to the atrocious abuse of aborted fetal body parts through his organization The Center for Medical Progress (CMP). His videos gained massive attention starting in 2015. Check out his investigative footage here . > > Abortion itself - the intentional killing of an innocent preborn child - is horrendous and tragic enough. > > To then go a step further and use these body pieces, torn apart by the abortionist, for ?medical research? is outrageous. So many people don?t even know that these atrocities are taking place. > > And so many people don?t realize that these ?research? efforts are completely unnecessary! There are other, morally acceptable ways of attaining the desired medical research. > > No human should ever have to be dismembered and slaughtered for the sake of research. Ever. It?s time to outlaw abortion & criminally prosecute those who abuse the bodies of children. > > Thank you for reading and taking action today! > > For life, > > Lauren Merz > Vice President of Strategic Partnerships > > > Live Action is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization. Gifts are tax-deductible in the United States. > No goods or services are offered or given in exchange for contributions. > > Make your gift here: give.liveaction.org > > Live Action 2200 Wilson Blvd. Suite 102 PMB 111, Arlington, VA 22201 > > You received this message because you are subscribed to General Email Updates from Live Action. > If you would rather not receive this type of email, you can update your email preferences here or unsubscribe from all future emails. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wesley52101 at gmail.com Tue Jul 13 21:44:35 2021 From: wesley52101 at gmail.com (wes huff) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 16:44:35 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Fwd: A major university is harvesting baby parts... In-Reply-To: <34E27CD6-F351-43F9-8549-DAE6F906EC89@newsfromneptune.com> References: <1626210519856.a8277050-787b-440c-97b4-ff926148f11e@bf10x.hubspotemail.net> <34E27CD6-F351-43F9-8549-DAE6F906EC89@newsfromneptune.com> Message-ID: For fuck sake, someone take me off this list. On Tue, Jul 13, 2021, 4:22 PM C. G. Estabrook via Peace < peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From: *Lauren Merz > *Subject: **A major university is harvesting baby parts...* > *Date: *July 13, 2021 at 4:18:48 PM CDT > *To: *carl at newsfromneptune.com > *Reply-To: *lauren.merz at liveaction.org > > Carl, > > In case you missed the news last week, the University of San Francisco > (UCSF) is harvesting body parts of aborted (murdered) babies. > > Newly obtained emails show logs of what body parts were harvested. > > 42 of 43 logs show documentation for the harvesting of genitalia and/or > gonads. > > It?s horribly ironic, isn?t it ? that the people who work for so-called > ?reproductive justice,? are harvesting the reproductive organs of tiny > little human beings whose lives have been brutally ended through abortion. > > You can read more here: > https://www.liveaction.org/news/ucsf-callous-abortion-harvesting-exposed-records/ > > > This is how evil the abortion industry is. Every American needs to know > this. > > You can take action right now to help put an end to these latest abortion > industry horrors! > > Here are 3 ways you can get involved now: > > 1. Share this story with your friends on social media and/or forward > this email to 5 friends, everyone needs to know what the abortion industry > is doing here! > https://www.liveaction.org/news/ucsf-callous-abortion-harvesting-exposed-records/ > > > 2. You can contact Pro-Life San Francisco (PLSF), which is organizing > a campaign to shut these people down: https://www.prolifesf.com/ucsf > > > *There is a call to action button at the bottom of their website > linked. You can also ask the head of PLSF if there is anything else she > could specifically need help with.* > > 3. There is an upcoming meeting with the UC Board of Regents, who > oversee all of this, and PLSF has been making calls into these meetings to > demand an end to this ?research.? Here is their Facebook event page with > all the action items and everything you need, including a fact sheet and > sample talking points you can use for your calls: > https://www.facebook.com/events/4212337198835928/?ti=ls > > > To give you an idea of how widespread this problem is, our friend David > Daleiden has dedicated his life?s work to expose and put an end to the > atrocious abuse of aborted fetal body parts through his organization The > Center for Medical Progress (CMP). His videos gained massive attention > starting in 2015. Check out his investigative footage here > > . > > Abortion itself - the intentional killing of an innocent preborn child - > is horrendous and tragic enough. > > To then go a step further and use these body pieces, torn apart by the > abortionist, for ?medical research? is outrageous. So many people don?t > even know that these atrocities are taking place. > > And so many people don?t realize that these ?research? efforts are > completely unnecessary! There are other, morally acceptable ways of > attaining the desired medical research. > > No human should ever have to be dismembered and slaughtered for the sake > of research. Ever. It?s time to outlaw abortion & criminally prosecute > those who abuse the bodies of children. > > Thank you for reading and taking action today! > > For life, > > Lauren Merz > Vice President of Strategic Partnerships > [image: LA Logo Most Vulnerable] > > Live Action is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization. Gifts are > tax-deductible in the United States. > No goods or services are offered or given in exchange for contributions. > > Make your gift here: give.liveaction.org > > > Live Action 2200 Wilson Blvd. Suite 102 PMB 111, Arlington, VA 22201 > > You received this message because you are subscribed to General Email > Updates from Live Action. > If you would rather not receive this type of email, you can update your email > preferences here > > or unsubscribe from all future emails. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue Jul 20 20:37:06 2021 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen aram) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 15:37:06 -0500 Subject: [Peace] In opposition to mutual self destruction, an alternative. Message-ID: The author is a longtime friend, and while I prefer ?no more nukes,? he offers a possible alternative, that maybe a compromise worth exploring. https://warontherocks.com/2021/07/a-new-paradigm-mutually-assured-security/ From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue Jul 20 20:37:06 2021 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen aram) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 15:37:06 -0500 Subject: [Peace] In opposition to mutual self destruction, an alternative. Message-ID: The author is a longtime friend, and while I prefer ?no more nukes,? he offers a possible alternative, that maybe a compromise worth exploring. https://warontherocks.com/2021/07/a-new-paradigm-mutually-assured-security/ From brussel at illinois.edu Tue Jul 20 22:10:30 2021 From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 22:10:30 +0000 Subject: [Peace] In opposition to mutual self destruction, an alternative. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <628E014F-FB16-4A60-BA13-089422DF630F@illinois.edu> The problem, as I see it, is a basic antagonism to the ?other?. Maintaining and striving for hegemony. Not a multipolarity of counterbalancing nations. I doubt that the protagonists truly seek ?stability?. The problem lies with militarism in general; that sector does not favor a defensive strategy. They doubt it could ever be effective. My feeling is that it?s hopeless with the present lineup, in the USA especially. We must be #1. Needed are revoluionary changes in governmental ?lites to affect current strategic thinking. ?We" would need real informed democracy in the nations involved, which do not currently exist (or have ever existed?). All this is aside from the fantastic, probably insuperable, technical problems of realization of the system described. "Star Wars" were shot down for valid reasons. Sorry ?. I suppose it?s worth while speculating. On Jul 20, 2021, at 3:37 PM, karen aram > wrote: The author is a longtime friend, and while I prefer ?no more nukes,? he offers a possible alternative, that maybe a compromise worth exploring. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://warontherocks.com/2021/07/a-new-paradigm-mutually-assured-security/__;!!DZ3fjg!oqZLBsO4MLBS8oBKEuidkq0W_R63EhawyPUSVqCp5HWw01QXT5npdCag5e_oKJjuhQ$ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brussel at illinois.edu Tue Jul 20 22:10:30 2021 From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 22:10:30 +0000 Subject: [Peace] In opposition to mutual self destruction, an alternative. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <628E014F-FB16-4A60-BA13-089422DF630F@illinois.edu> The problem, as I see it, is a basic antagonism to the ?other?. Maintaining and striving for hegemony. Not a multipolarity of counterbalancing nations. I doubt that the protagonists truly seek ?stability?. The problem lies with militarism in general; that sector does not favor a defensive strategy. They doubt it could ever be effective. My feeling is that it?s hopeless with the present lineup, in the USA especially. We must be #1. Needed are revoluionary changes in governmental ?lites to affect current strategic thinking. ?We" would need real informed democracy in the nations involved, which do not currently exist (or have ever existed?). All this is aside from the fantastic, probably insuperable, technical problems of realization of the system described. "Star Wars" were shot down for valid reasons. Sorry ?. I suppose it?s worth while speculating. On Jul 20, 2021, at 3:37 PM, karen aram > wrote: The author is a longtime friend, and while I prefer ?no more nukes,? he offers a possible alternative, that maybe a compromise worth exploring. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://warontherocks.com/2021/07/a-new-paradigm-mutually-assured-security/__;!!DZ3fjg!oqZLBsO4MLBS8oBKEuidkq0W_R63EhawyPUSVqCp5HWw01QXT5npdCag5e_oKJjuhQ$ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue Jul 20 22:42:27 2021 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen aram) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:42:27 -0500 Subject: [Peace] In opposition to mutual self destruction, an alternative. In-Reply-To: <628E014F-FB16-4A60-BA13-089422DF630F@illinois.edu> References: <628E014F-FB16-4A60-BA13-089422DF630F@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Mort, I couldn?t agree more, with your analysis of the USG. I trust the authors intent. Yes, he worked for the USG, did two assignments in the USSR, was friends with Karlovsky, and other dissidents so he isn?t pro-Russia. He is a liberal Dem, but anti-war. My friendship with Ray dates back to the seventy?s, I found him on FB a couple years ago, after you posted one of his articles you liked, here on the Peace List. I don?t trust the people he communicates or worked with, but I trust his sincerity. The technicalities of his suggested solution are where I am weak, and wonder if his suggestion is worth promoting. I see it as similar to Med4all, an alternative to Universal Healthcare. Though I have little or no hope of obtaining either one under our system of capitalism, supporting and promoting alternative solutions, if nothing else, awakens the American people to the possibilities, if we had a government with the will to support the needs of the people rather than their corporate sponsors. Thanks for your worthwhile analysis. > On Jul 20, 2021, at 5:10 PM, Brussel, Morton K wrote: > > The problem, as I see it, is a basic antagonism to the ?other?. Maintaining and striving for hegemony. Not a multipolarity of counterbalancing nations. I doubt that the protagonists truly seek ?stability?. > The problem lies with militarism in general; that sector does not favor a defensive strategy. They doubt it could ever be effective. > > My feeling is that it?s hopeless with the present lineup, in the USA especially. We must be #1. Needed are revoluionary changes in governmental ?lites to affect current strategic thinking. > ?We" would need real informed democracy in the nations involved, which do not currently exist (or have ever existed?). > > All this is aside from the fantastic, probably insuperable, technical problems of realization of the system described. "Star Wars" were shot down for valid reasons. > > Sorry ?. I suppose it?s worth while speculating. > >> On Jul 20, 2021, at 3:37 PM, karen aram > wrote: >> >> >> The author is a longtime friend, and while I prefer ?no more nukes,? he offers a possible alternative, that maybe a compromise worth exploring. >> >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://warontherocks.com/2021/07/a-new-paradigm-mutually-assured-security/__;!!DZ3fjg!oqZLBsO4MLBS8oBKEuidkq0W_R63EhawyPUSVqCp5HWw01QXT5npdCag5e_oKJjuhQ$ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue Jul 20 22:42:27 2021 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen aram) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:42:27 -0500 Subject: [Peace] In opposition to mutual self destruction, an alternative. In-Reply-To: <628E014F-FB16-4A60-BA13-089422DF630F@illinois.edu> References: <628E014F-FB16-4A60-BA13-089422DF630F@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Mort, I couldn?t agree more, with your analysis of the USG. I trust the authors intent. Yes, he worked for the USG, did two assignments in the USSR, was friends with Karlovsky, and other dissidents so he isn?t pro-Russia. He is a liberal Dem, but anti-war. My friendship with Ray dates back to the seventy?s, I found him on FB a couple years ago, after you posted one of his articles you liked, here on the Peace List. I don?t trust the people he communicates or worked with, but I trust his sincerity. The technicalities of his suggested solution are where I am weak, and wonder if his suggestion is worth promoting. I see it as similar to Med4all, an alternative to Universal Healthcare. Though I have little or no hope of obtaining either one under our system of capitalism, supporting and promoting alternative solutions, if nothing else, awakens the American people to the possibilities, if we had a government with the will to support the needs of the people rather than their corporate sponsors. Thanks for your worthwhile analysis. > On Jul 20, 2021, at 5:10 PM, Brussel, Morton K wrote: > > The problem, as I see it, is a basic antagonism to the ?other?. Maintaining and striving for hegemony. Not a multipolarity of counterbalancing nations. I doubt that the protagonists truly seek ?stability?. > The problem lies with militarism in general; that sector does not favor a defensive strategy. They doubt it could ever be effective. > > My feeling is that it?s hopeless with the present lineup, in the USA especially. We must be #1. Needed are revoluionary changes in governmental ?lites to affect current strategic thinking. > ?We" would need real informed democracy in the nations involved, which do not currently exist (or have ever existed?). > > All this is aside from the fantastic, probably insuperable, technical problems of realization of the system described. "Star Wars" were shot down for valid reasons. > > Sorry ?. I suppose it?s worth while speculating. > >> On Jul 20, 2021, at 3:37 PM, karen aram > wrote: >> >> >> The author is a longtime friend, and while I prefer ?no more nukes,? he offers a possible alternative, that maybe a compromise worth exploring. >> >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://warontherocks.com/2021/07/a-new-paradigm-mutually-assured-security/__;!!DZ3fjg!oqZLBsO4MLBS8oBKEuidkq0W_R63EhawyPUSVqCp5HWw01QXT5npdCag5e_oKJjuhQ$ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Jul 28 12:45:43 2021 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen aram) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 07:45:43 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Fwd: Vijay Prashad, David Harvey and others..... References: Message-ID: > Subject: Vijay Prashad, David Harvey and others..... > > One of the most interesting and informative talks with Vijay Prashad and David Harvey. 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