[RFU] Re: [Rfu-barnraising] Re: {leti} Re: the automation question

[Lynsee Melchi]

Prometheus

do you guys have any info on how strict and tightly monitored lpfm
stations are as far as this issue goes??

Lynsee 
<-----Original Message-----> 
>From: Phil Stinard
>Sent: 10/27/2005 6:09:04 PM
>To: sascha at ucimc.org;andrew at funferal.org
>Cc: leti at lists.prometheusradio.org;rfu-
>barnraising at lists.chambana.net;rfu at lists.groogroo.com
>Subject: RE: [RFU] Re: [Rfu-barnraising] Re: {leti} Re: the automation
question
>
>I expressed concerns about streaming at last night's barnraising
meeting, 
>but apparently to no avail, since no one is addressing the concerns I 
>expressed. My concerns are: (1) cost of recurring licensing fees, and
(2) 
>restrictions on content (number of songs by a particular artist or from
a 
>particular album). I hear people saying that the FCC rules and
licensing 
>rules don't matter, but I'm not willing to take that chance. Do you
want 
>WRFU to lose its license to broadcast if someone decides to get
legalistic 
>on us? If someone gives us the money and we can stream, fine, but if I
have 
>content that is not allowed, as I certainly will, I'll just turn the
stream 
>off during my program. I trust we will at least have that option.
>
>--Phil
>
>
>>From: Sascha Meinrath 
>>To: Andrew Ó Baoill 
>>CC: leti ,WRFU Mailing list 
>>,rfu barnraising 
>>
>>Subject: [RFU] Re: [Rfu-barnraising] Re: {leti} Re: the automation
question
>>Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:44:25 -0500
>>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>Andrew and I should go grab a beer so I can get a better feel for his 
>>concerns; but I and other folks are definitely interested in setting
up 
>>streaming. I'm not sure I buy that streaming would necessarily
negatively 
>>impact the quality and/or community grounding of the station -- at
WEFT, we 
>>streamed for quite some time and only stopped because the price
increased. 
>>I haven't heard of any negative repercussions from streaming, and
unless 
>>someone can make the case the WRFU would be differentially impacted, I
>>think WEFT provides us with a fairly good (local) precedent. Also,
just so 
>>it's noted somewhere, we decided at last night's Barnraising meeting
to do 
>>streaming during the Barnraising, that part of things is a go.
>>
>>Either way, I think there's a core group of folks who would be very 
>>interested in learning about streaming and how to set this sort of
system 
>>up -- so we should definitely do that. Long-term, it could be that
WRFU 
>>decides not to stream their signal; however, other stations (such as
WEFT) 
>>may be interested and this is an opportunity to demonstrate how this
works. 
>> Since we already have a server infrastructure available through the
IMC, 
>>I think it makes all the sense in the world for us to set this up for
the 
>>Barnraising and see what happens down the road.
>>
>>--Sascha
>>
>>Andrew Ó Baoill wrote:
>>>I appreciate your suggestion. However, there are numerous reasons
that 
>>>WRFU has not yet decided to do this.
>>>
>>>First, WRFU will truly be a bare-bones station. We actually don't
have 
>>>the cash to run our basic service, let alone to commit ourselves to
the 
>>>additional copyright fees associated with streaming. WRFU and the IMC
>>>only have limited bandwidth available, so streaming would be a heavy 
>>>load, or require rental of additional bandwidth.
>>>
>>>Second, some of us have concerns about the impact that streaming has
on 
>>>the nature of a community radio station. Since WRFU is an autonomous 
>>>consensus-based operation, it is important that we examine this issue
and 
>>>come to agreement among ourselves before moves are made on this
issue.
>>>
>>>Third, about those concerns. Jon Bekken, in an essay in Seizing the 
>>>Airwaves, mentions in passing the impact that increased power (and 
>>>therefore range) has on the role that a community station plays,
using 
>>>our local WEFT as an example. Not all the concerns raised there
follow 
>>>through to internet streams, but many do. With all due respect, WRFU
is a 
>>>station for Urbana, not for the next town over. As far as I am
concerned, 
>>>we are concerned, primarily, with providing space for self-expression
by 
>>>members of our community. Some see community radio as more concerned
with 
>>>providing content to listeners, and in this case streaming to the
world 
>>>can be seen as a benefit. For those who want a station to be firmly 
>>>anchored in its community - either in terms of content produced, or
in 
>>>being a space in which all listeners can aspire to becoming an active
>>>participant, streaming becomes more problematic. For some more
detailed, 
>>>if still preliminary, thoughts on issues raised by these technologies
you 
>>>can see my recent post:
>>>http://funferal.org/mt-archive/001098.html
>>>or an earlier article, concerned more particularly with digital radio
in 
>>>Europe:
>>>http://www.tuppenceworth.ie/ArtsEnt/radiodab.html
>>>
>>>Fourth, running a webstream for the special event that is the 
>>>barnraising, may differ, and is something we can examine at WRFU's 
>>>meeting this Tuesday. Of course, while it could be a useful publicity
>>>element of the barnraising, it could also undermine the station's
ongoing 
>>>policy, should it adopt one.
>>>
>>>Andrew
>>>
>>>On 27 DFómh 2005, at 15:49, Andy Gunn wrote:
>>>
>>>>i _highly_ recommend that you stream your signal over the internet.
if 
>>>>you don't, you are cutting out a potentially huge audience. your
signal 
>>>>is only 100 watts, so people in even the next town over may not be
able 
>>>>to hear you. with a stream - they will have the option of tuning in
at 
>>>>least when they are by a computer with an ethernet connection.
>>>>
>>>>i really think the fees are minimal - a few hundred dollars a year.
i 
>>>>know many stations that stream without any legal troubles
whatsoever, 
>>>>and some of them don't pay the fees at all.
>>>>
>>>>it will be a relatively simple task to set up a streaming encoder
during 
>>>>the barnraising - we will have techs running all over the place who
will 
>>>>want things to do. i would ask that at bare minimum, we set up a 
>>>>computer to stream the launch of the station - we can publicize it
on 
>>>>our sites and tell people to tune in via email. if you want to turn
it 
>>>>off after the barnraising, that is up to you.
>>>>
>>>>-a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Wed, 26 Oct 2005, andrew baoill wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>We've left streaming to one side for the moment, for both practical
>>>>>reasons, and because some of us have broader philosophical concerns
>>>>>about the issue.
>>>>>
>>>>>While the donation is welcome, can we wait until after the
>>>>>barnraising to engage with this issue? I would like to give the
topic
>>>>>the attention it deserves, but there are so many other things at
the
>>>>>moment I don't think we have time to take on additional issues.
>>>>>
>>>>>Andrew
>>>>>
>>>>>On 26 DFómh 2005, at 14:32, Sascha Meinrath wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Acorn Active Media Foundation is planning to donate use of one
>>>>>>of our servers for streaming (and integrating this into the CUWiN
>>>>>>wireless network). We have some parameters we're operating under
>>>>>>but would also love help setting this up to your specs. We've just
>>>>>>finished building the system and making sure it takes the server
>>>>>>software we're loading onto it. We'll probably follow something
>>>>>>along the lines of:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialAudioStreaming.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But if there are techies on the list who would like to be involved
>>>>>>with this effort (especially during the craziness of the
>>>>>>barnraising), drop me a line.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In solidarity,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--Sascha
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Andrew Ó Baoill wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You would take an output from the console and feed it to an input
>>>>>>>on the soundcard if you wanted to record the station (or other
>>>>>>>console output) onto the computer, or to create a webstream, etc.
>>>>>>>Andrew
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>--------------------------------------------------
>>>>| Andy Gunn - Technical and Training Organizer |
>>>>| Prometheus Radio Project - prometheusradio.org |
>>>>| andy at prometheusradio.org 215-727-9620 |
>>>>----------------------------------
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