I remember I used to be able to broadcast ping 10.0.255.255 from a node, but now it routes that through to our LAN since there is no routing entry for 10/8 or 10.0/16 to the wireless interface. I can broadcast ping to the 169.254/16 which is present. Should we have the 10/8 and/or 10.0/16 routes? bill -- Bill Comisky bcomisky at pobox.com