[IMC-US] Re: [New-imc] IMC US internal new-imc deadline Tue 23 Sep 2003 23:00 GMT

Sat Sep 20 19:11:57 CDT 2003

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Hola hermanos de la lista CMI latina:

El mensaje de Boud se refiere a una propuesta para la creación de un "CMI
Estados Unidos", que reunirá a los CMIs locales de EEUU en un sitio web. Los
sitios de los CMIs locales seguirán existindo pero habrá un supersitio igual
al del sitio global indymedia.org.

Boud, del grupo de trabajo new-imc, ya definió el plazo de aprobación en el
grupo: martes, 23 de septiembre de 2003 a las 23:00 horario de Greenwich. Él
pregunta a los CMIs latinoamericanos y también a los de Norteamérica si
tienen la intención de sugerir alternativas o de vetar la propuesta de
creación del CMI EUA. El veto no puede ser hecho por individuos, solamente
por colectivos, y deberá ser interpuesto en el grupo imc-process, durante el
plazo de 7 días en ese grupo que seguirá al plazo en new-imc.

Hello my brothers from the IMC latina list:

Boud's message is about a proposal for the creation of a "US-IMC", that will
gather the local IMCs in the US in a website. The current local US sites
will keep existing but there will be a US superwebsite like the global one
indymedia.org.

Boud, from the new-imc group, has already set the approval deadline in the
group: september 23 at 23:00h GMT. He is asking the Latin American and North
American IMCs if they have the intention to suggest alternatives or to block
the proposal to create the US IMC. The block cannot be made by individuals,
only by collectives, and must be interposed in the imc-process group during
their 7 days internal deadline that will follow the new-imc deadline.

Rosa
CMI-Brasil/New-Imc

----- Original Message -----
From: "boud" <boud1 at wp.pl>
To: <new-imc at lists.indymedia.org>; <imc-latina at lists.indymedia.org>;
<imc-us at lists.cu.groogroo.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 10:06 PM
Subject: [New-imc] IMC US internal new-imc deadline Tue 23 Sep 2003 23:00
GMT

> <crosspost new-imc, imc-latina, imc-us at lists.cu.groogroo.com>
>
>
> ###
> SUMMARY
> * IMC US proposed for *internal new-imc* approval
> deadline Tue 23 Sep 2003 23:00 GMT
> * concerns (beyond mandate of new-imc working group)
> http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/NewImcUSProcess#concerns
> * IMC US documents (quotes + URLs)
> ###
>
> hi everyone,
>    While there are clearly still many *individuals* seriously
> uncomfortable with having a US IMC, IMHO the concerns (nationalism)
> are *understood*, even if IMHO the responses to the concerns are
> unconvincing.  IMHO, the most likely block which might be reasonable
> could be from US or North+Latin American IMCs that are actively
> organising alternative
>
> * cross-border regional IMCs (like NENA)
> plus
> * an America-wide (North+Latin) IMC.
>
> In any case, clearly the *new-imc* working group cannot make such a
> block, and an individual in a (presently) "national" IMC (me) doesn't
> have the right to make such a block.
>
> So i'm proposing IMC US for internal new-imc approval. i suggest that
> any individuals feeling they have the right to block this should
> quickly get their local IMC collective to consense on what
> constructive action can take at the *imc-process* level, via their
> liaison, who communicates for the local collective. Since the proposal
> has been widely announced among US IMCs about two months ago (i
> think), and it's one month since the initial proposal on new-imc
> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2003-August/004275.html
> i think that local IMCs (especially those in the US) should have had
> plenty of time to come up with constructive counter-proposals, but i'm
> cc-ing to imc-latina.
>
>
> (dear ***imc-latina*** - Sorry for no [es] translation - a robot
translation
> is not a good idea on such a sensitive issue. If any latin american
> IMCs feel they should participate in the decision, IMHO you should
> participate on the *imc-process* mailing list when the proposal goes
> there - most likely about 24 Sep 2003, with a 7-day deadline.)
>
> i've put a general discussion of the IMC US proposal on the TWiki:
> http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/NewImcUSProcess
>
> Please help clarify the concerns and/or responses if you feel strongly
> about US IMC:
> http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/NewImcUSProcess#concerns
>
> Here are the US IMC's documents:
>
> mission statement:
> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2003-August/004275.html
>
> membership criteria:
>
http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2003-September/004376.html
>
> editorial policy:
>
http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2003-September/004376.html
> > In regards
> > to our editorial policy, we've adopting the Urbana-Champaign's policy
(one
> > that multiple IMCs have utilized to build their own policy --
> > http://www.ucimc.org/info/display/policy/index.php ).
>
>
> decision-making method:
>
http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2003-September/004376.html
> > Finally, our decision-making process works fairly well through a passive
> > consensus model.  Ideas needing a decision are posted to the list with
> > clear instructions to list participants to respond by a
decision-deadline
> > date.  Assuming there are no outstanding issues at the time of the
> > deadline, the proposal passes.  We've tended to have at least a few
days,
> > and often a week or two for discussions.
>
> Some discussion threads (first email in thread):
> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2003-August/004275.html
> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2003-August/004291.html
> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2003-August/004298.html
>
http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2003-September/004336.html
>
http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/new-imc/2003-September/004357.html
>
> main mailing list:
> http://lists.cu.groogroo.com/cgi-bin/listinfo/imc-us
>
> rough mock-up
>
(http://lists.cu.groogroo.com/mailman/archive/imc-us/2003-September/000100.h
tml)
> of US IMC website:
> http://staughton.indymedia.org/~ski/us.htm
>
> solidarity
> boud
>
> PS: US IMC - your rough mock-up is of course only a draft, but i
> suggest that you quickly add the cities list to it - at the moment,
> someone new to indymedia reading the page gets the impression that
> indymedia only exists in the US, since it says
>
> > { indymedia - syndicated }
> > Collected from the IMC network
>
> without any hint that the IMC network goes beyond the USA... This is
> exactly the sort of racist attitude that people outside of the USA get
> worried about - let's hope it's just a Freudian slip and that therapy
> will follow as promised...

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