[IMC-US] A good point about open publishing

Ryan Kaldari kaldari at monsterlabs.com
Wed Jul 21 11:19:56 CDT 2004 

Google's policy is: "We do not include sites that allow open  
publication."
And they define open publication pretty broadly. When I explained that  
our RSS feed was moderated, they didn't care. They said it still fell  
into their definition of open publishing.

Ryan Kaldari

On Jul 21, 2004, at 10:53 AM, faith swords wrote:

> if i remember correctly from the Indymedia US caucus at the allied  
> media
> conference this summer, what ryan said that google told them was that  
> even
> their syndicated articles wouldn't be picked up by google news because
> their editorial board is open to the public. apparently, anything open  
> to
> the public falls under the same catagory as open publishing.
>
> but i may not be clear on the details. we'll have to wait for ryan to
> chime in. i'm sure it couldn't hurt for someone to talk with google  
> about
> this particular site, regardless of their debate about other sites.
>
> --faith
>
> On Wed, 21 Jul 2004, john duda wrote:
>
>> one option that might make it easier to get into google news is a
>> german-style open publishing wire, where posts do not automatically
>> get displayed on the newswire, but require the approval of a
>> moderator...this is an easy option to implement.
>>
>> i've also heard that it has at least been possible in the past to
>> give google news a feed which only includes the moderated articles,  
>> but
>> i'm not sure if this is still the case.
>>
>> john
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 10:38:40AM -0500, faith swords wrote:
>>> hey everyone,
>>>
>>> as for google and the OP issue: as far as i know, google won't pick  
>>> up OP
>>> sites for their news site. ryan from TN IMC has been talking with  
>>> them
>>> trying to get this sorted out but he hasn't been having much luck.  
>>> maybe
>>> he could elaborate on what their policy is, as it's been explained  
>>> to him
>>> by google.
>>>
>>> --faith
>>>
>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2004, ana wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm. that is weird. i was sure we had somethign different in there  
>>>> about OP
>>>> because it was a concern when we had a caucus at the AMC last year  
>>>> and the
>>>> draft that came out of that had a different clause about op. but i  
>>>> guess
>>>> something changed.
>>>>
>>>> i just found the original proposal we sent to newimc and it seems  
>>>> vague, as
>>>> in it wasnt decided entirely.
>>>> http://archives.lists.indymedia.org/new-imc/2003-August/004310.html
>>>>
>>>> First it says (which i wrongfully remembered as saying 'might'  
>>>> follow
>>>> global's model):
>>>>
>>>> "The suggested format for the US site is a syndicated newswire of  
>>>> US-
>>>> features, much like the global site syndicates features from IMCs  
>>>> around
>>>> the world.  Syndication was chosen specifically as the recommended  
>>>> format
>>>> due to problems of open-publishing newswire abuse and following the
>>>> precendent set on the global Indymedia website (i.e., the open  
>>>> newswire
>>>> will be available off the main page).
>>>>
>>>> and then it says:
>>>>
>>>> EDITORIAL:  The editorial group will be responsible for newswire
>>>> maintenance (if an open newswire is part of the site) and feature
>>>> writing/compiling/editing.
>>>>
>>>> So, maybe it wasnt completely decided yet. I dont remember. But I  
>>>> also dont
>>>> want to hold this process up any more.  So, while i dont think it  
>>>> is a good
>>>> idea at all to have an op function on the site, I wont block having  
>>>> it as
>>>> an option.
>>>>
>>>> It hurts though, because i think peopel will be attracted to the  
>>>> "broader
>>>> exposure" of a national site and the tendency might go towards not  
>>>> posting
>>>> on local sites anymore. A real shame. Additionally, we will need
>>>> *quadruple* the amount of peopel working on site mantainance to  
>>>> monitor the
>>>> wire and take off racist posts, etc.
>>>>
>>>> And lastly could someone working on code check to see if stories  
>>>> would still
>>>> get picked up by google news with an op wire on it. Either way, we  
>>>> should
>>>> make sure the site is being built to facilitate getting picked up  
>>>> on google
>>>> news. i know democracy now has had real issues with that because it  
>>>> wasnt
>>>> thought of before hand. im sorry if i missed posts about this  
>>>> already. but
>>>> has anyone looked into that at all?
>>>>
>>>> gnight all.
>>>> ana
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Quoting john duda <john at manifestor.org>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 11:45:11PM -0400, Ana wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Re New imc process:  I believe it was in our application that we  
>>>>>> would
>>>>> not
>>>>>> have open publishing, precisely because of local IMC concerns  
>>>>>> that we
>>>>> were
>>>>>> taking their local traffic away.
>>>>>
>>>>> could you point me to the documents?  i've been having a really  
>>>>> hard
>>>>> time trying to trace out the imc-us approval process due to broken
>>>>> mailman links in the archives, all the stuff i've seen so far has
>>>>> indicated that usimc was approved on the assumption it would have  
>>>>> an
>>>>> op wire.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> for example:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://archives.lists.indymedia.org/new-imc/2003-September/ 
>>>>> 004411.html
>>>>> email from Sascha to new-imc outlining imc-us' committments to IMC
>>>>> Membership
>>>>> Criteria
>>>>>
>>>>> f. Agree to the use of Open Publishing as described in the NIMC  
>>>>> Editorial
>>>>>
>>>>> Policy [editorial collective comments: "We did agree that the term  
>>>>> "Open
>>>>>
>>>>> Publishing" was one that is still being defined by the Global  
>>>>> Network
>>>>> Collective, and we would wait and see what the results were before
>>>>> rewriting this criteria]:
>>>>>
>>>>> The IMC-US affinity group agrees to do this.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://archives.lists.indymedia.org/imc-process/2003-October/ 
>>>>> 005187.html
>>>>>
>>>>> (philly imc's non-blocking suggestions)
>>>>>
>>>>> - That the newswire have an open publishing feature as well as a
>>>>> syndication
>>>>> feature, using for example the same format as the global site, to
>>>>> encourage democratic participation in the news-making process.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> i'm not trying to be disruptive, but i am really concerned that
>>>>> launching an indymedia site with a strong editorial voice and a  
>>>>> lack
>>>>> of open publishing is setting a new and probably controversial
>>>>> precedent, one which may generate a lot of animosity for the imc us
>>>>> project in the global network.
>>>>>
>>>>> john
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am strongly opposed to an op wire on the US site. We should  
>>>>>> just be a
>>>>> tool
>>>>>> to highlight the work of local IMCs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/19/04 9:27 PM, "jon pike" <profpike at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tribal put in a reminder that this site will be
>>>>>>> covering the RNC and newswires have proven valuable in
>>>>>>> the past for getting stuff up quickly about
>>>>>>> significant protest actions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, maybe it would be good to have such a function on
>>>>>>> the site. After all didn't FTAAIMC, or is that a
>>>>>>> differnet case entirely?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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