[IMC-US] A good point about open publishing

Wed Jul 21 11:24:40 CDT 2004

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004, faith swords wrote:

> if i remember correctly from the Indymedia US caucus at the allied media
> conference this summer, what ryan said that google told them was that
> even their syndicated articles wouldn't be picked up by google news
> because their editorial board is open to the public. apparently,
> anything open to the public falls under the same catagory as open
> publishing.
>
> but i may not be clear on the details. we'll have to wait for ryan to
> chime in. i'm sure it couldn't hurt for someone to talk with google
> about this particular site, regardless of their debate about other
> sites.

i've also spoken with google folks and i think they're confused about the
open newswires (which, according to their policies, they will not
syndicate) and the features section (which is moderated and according to
their rules, they _should_ syndicate).  mainly it's about someone taking
the time to explain that while Indymedia uses open-publishing as an
initial entre unto our websites, the features RSS feeds are overseen by an
editorial collective and are vetted for things like spam, hate-speech,
etc.

--sascha

> On Wed, 21 Jul 2004, john duda wrote:
>
> > one option that might make it easier to get into google news is a
> > german-style open publishing wire, where posts do not automatically
> > get displayed on the newswire, but require the approval of a
> > moderator...this is an easy option to implement.
> >
> > i've also heard that it has at least been possible in the past to
> > give google news a feed which only includes the moderated articles, but
> > i'm not sure if this is still the case.
> >
> > john
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 10:38:40AM -0500, faith swords wrote:
> > > hey everyone,
> > >
> > > as for google and the OP issue: as far as i know, google won't pick up OP
> > > sites for their news site. ryan from TN IMC has been talking with them
> > > trying to get this sorted out but he hasn't been having much luck. maybe
> > > he could elaborate on what their policy is, as it's been explained to him
> > > by google.
> > >
> > > --faith
> > >
> > > On Tue, 20 Jul 2004, ana wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hmmm. that is weird. i was sure we had somethign different in there about OP
> > > > because it was a concern when we had a caucus at the AMC last year and the
> > > > draft that came out of that had a different clause about op. but i guess
> > > > something changed.
> > > >
> > > > i just found the original proposal we sent to newimc and it seems vague, as
> > > > in it wasnt decided entirely.
> > > > http://archives.lists.indymedia.org/new-imc/2003-August/004310.html
> > > >
> > > > First it says (which i wrongfully remembered as saying 'might' follow
> > > > global's model):
> > > >
> > > > "The suggested format for the US site is a syndicated newswire of US-
> > > > features, much like the global site syndicates features from IMCs around
> > > > the world.  Syndication was chosen specifically as the recommended format
> > > > due to problems of open-publishing newswire abuse and following the
> > > > precendent set on the global Indymedia website (i.e., the open newswire
> > > > will be available off the main page).
> > > >
> > > > and then it says:
> > > >
> > > > EDITORIAL:  The editorial group will be responsible for newswire
> > > > maintenance (if an open newswire is part of the site) and feature
> > > > writing/compiling/editing.
> > > >
> > > > So, maybe it wasnt completely decided yet. I dont remember. But I also dont
> > > > want to hold this process up any more.  So, while i dont think it is a good
> > > > idea at all to have an op function on the site, I wont block having it as
> > > > an option.
> > > >
> > > > It hurts though, because i think peopel will be attracted to the "broader
> > > > exposure" of a national site and the tendency might go towards not posting
> > > > on local sites anymore. A real shame. Additionally, we will need
> > > > *quadruple* the amount of peopel working on site mantainance to monitor the
> > > > wire and take off racist posts, etc.
> > > >
> > > > And lastly could someone working on code check to see if stories would still
> > > > get picked up by google news with an op wire on it. Either way, we should
> > > > make sure the site is being built to facilitate getting picked up on google
> > > > news. i know democracy now has had real issues with that because it wasnt
> > > > thought of before hand. im sorry if i missed posts about this already. but
> > > > has anyone looked into that at all?
> > > >
> > > > gnight all.
> > > > ana
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Quoting john duda <john at manifestor.org>:
> > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 11:45:11PM -0400, Ana wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Re New imc process:  I believe it was in our application that we would
> > > > > not
> > > > > > have open publishing, precisely because of local IMC concerns that we
> > > > > were
> > > > > > taking their local traffic away.
> > > > >
> > > > > could you point me to the documents?  i've been having a really hard
> > > > > time trying to trace out the imc-us approval process due to broken
> > > > > mailman links in the archives, all the stuff i've seen so far has
> > > > > indicated that usimc was approved on the assumption it would have an
> > > > > op wire.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > for example:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://archives.lists.indymedia.org/new-imc/2003-September/004411.html
> > > > > email from Sascha to new-imc outlining imc-us' committments to IMC
> > > > > Membership
> > > > > Criteria
> > > > >
> > > > > f. Agree to the use of Open Publishing as described in the NIMC Editorial
> > > > >
> > > > > Policy [editorial collective comments: "We did agree that the term "Open
> > > > >
> > > > > Publishing" was one that is still being defined by the Global Network
> > > > > Collective, and we would wait and see what the results were before
> > > > > rewriting this criteria]:
> > > > >
> > > > > The IMC-US affinity group agrees to do this.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://archives.lists.indymedia.org/imc-process/2003-October/005187.html
> > > > >
> > > > > (philly imc's non-blocking suggestions)
> > > > >
> > > > > - That the newswire have an open publishing feature as well as a
> > > > > syndication
> > > > > feature, using for example the same format as the global site, to
> > > > > encourage democratic participation in the news-making process.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > i'm not trying to be disruptive, but i am really concerned that
> > > > > launching an indymedia site with a strong editorial voice and a lack
> > > > > of open publishing is setting a new and probably controversial
> > > > > precedent, one which may generate a lot of animosity for the imc us
> > > > > project in the global network.
> > > > >
> > > > > john
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am strongly opposed to an op wire on the US site. We should just be a
> > > > > tool
> > > > > > to highlight the work of local IMCs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 7/19/04 9:27 PM, "jon pike" <profpike at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tribal put in a reminder that this site will be
> > > > > > > covering the RNC and newswires have proven valuable in
> > > > > > > the past for getting stuff up quickly about
> > > > > > > significant protest actions.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So, maybe it would be good to have such a function on
> > > > > > > the site. After all didn't FTAAIMC, or is that a
> > > > > > > differnet case entirely?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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