[IMC-US] PROPOSAL (was indymedia and google)

max max at michiganimc.org
Thu Jul 22 08:51:36 CDT 2004 

I am all in favor of getting this site up in a "least common demominator"
fashion ASAP.  but I think personally that it would be a shame if we didn't
allow for some synthesis and analysis in the form of compiled articles from
an editorial team of some kind.  I think the syndication will work fine for
now, but it is not my ideal for the site, which I think should have an
editorial voice of its own (in addition to the syndication of course).  

I agree with the critique deva made regarding the uselessness of a newswire
that's not local (at least that's how I understood it). 

I agree with john in that it would be bad to just change the nature of the
project if that's not what was approved by new imc.

but regarding the idea of having a site without a newswire but with an
editorial voice: just because it hasn't been done before, doesn't mean it
should never happen.  I don't see the "all indy sites are either just pure
syndication or have open newswires" as having any real inherent logic or
value.  I think that this is a unique project and it will therefore have a
unique manifestation.  

max

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Quoting Tribal Scribal <valeoftheoaks at hotmail.com>:

> Does this mean we're not addressing the concern i voiced last night about
> 
> the editorial team being able to put up center column features on
> breaking 
> news not covered by any local's?
> 
> 
> d.o.
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> >From: john duda <john at manifestor.org>
> >To: deva <drdartist at riseup.net>
> >CC: imc-us at lists.cu.groogroo.com
> >Subject: Re: [IMC-US] PROPOSAL (was indymedia and google)
> >Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:10:06 -0700
> >
> >ok, i fixed a bunch of stuff on:
> >
> >http://usimc.kicks-ass.net/en/
> >
> >with the basic idea being a syndication site (with featured
> >sydicated stories)
> >
> >i also got rid of the somewhat funny but fairly cryptic bowling ball
> >banner, making the top banner rotate at random.
> >
> >hopefully this will be in good enough shape by tomorrow or friday that
> >we can think about launching really soon.....
> >
> >john
> >
> >
> >
> >On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 04:42:34PM -0700, deva wrote:
> > > I am in favour of this idea
> > >
> > > deva
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jul 21, 2004, at 4:03 PM, john duda wrote:
> > >
> > > >why don't i go ahead and set up usimc as a very basic syndication
> site
> > > >a la oceania.indymedia(pretty much working now except for some
> > > >template bugs)?  in other words, no editorial features and no open
> > > >publishing...
> > > >
> > > >like bht said, editors can remove things that are obviously local,
> and
> > > >we can also use the "startpage special" category in mir to feature
> > > >syndicated articles of exceptional relevance.  also, editors can
> make
> > > >up for what the feeds don't provide by grabbing abstracts for
> features
> > > >from local sites that lack a detailed feed.  editors can also do
> the
> > > >work of sorting local features into topics, so that what we wind up
> > > >with is an intelligible, comprehensive, categorized, archived, and
> > > >searchable site of all us indymedia features.
> > > >
> > > >this way the site could be up and running as early as *tomorrow*. 
> and
> > > >we can have the discussion about the google/open publishing issues
> > > >after the dnc...maybe even after the rnc.
> > > >
> > > >my two cents,
> > > >john
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 03:25:59PM -0700, bht wrote:
> > > >>hey all, i have been reading the discussion over google and
> listened
> > > >>to it
> > > >>at the allied media conference.  I would like to say a few words
> > > >>about it.
> > > >>
> > > >>I am not against people trying to get google to list indymedia
> > > >>articles, I
> > > >>actually think it would be great to get them up there, it would be
> > > >>great
> > > >>outreach and advertisement, and make all of us work a little
> harder
> > > >>moderating the sites :-)
> > > >>
> > > >>However, this discussion is turning into "how can we not be
> indymedia
> > > >>for
> > > >>google yet still be indymedia enough for indymedia"...and i dont
> > > >>really
> > > >>like it.
> > > >>
> > > >>Having said that getting google listing is great, I would also like
> to
> > > >>think that sticking to what indymedia is is also important, it
> this
> > > >>respect it is more imnportant to stay indymedia instead of
> pandering
> > > >>to
> > > >>the interests of larger entities to get exposure.
> > > >>
> > > >>THere is a gap of whether we are tactical and whther we are
> > > >>alternatives
> > > >>to corporate media.  I like to think that we are tactical and offer
> a
> > > >>community support role and should stick to our communities.  If we
> do
> > > >>enough outreach there the people that need to read our sites will
> and
> > > >>it
> > > >>wont be cluttered with all these people that dont have the
> interests
> > > >>of
> > > >>our communities at heart.
> > > >>
> > > >>Therefore, I think it would better to stick to being indymedia and
> > > >>not try
> > > >>to change /enough/ to be accepted by google.  I know that it is
> some
> > > >>peoples heartsong for this and I guess that there isnt much I can
> do
> > > >>to
> > > >>change that.
> > > >>
> > > >>This is the us site that is supposed to represent us imcs and
> reflect
> > > >>the
> > > >>indymedia tactic.  So, personally, it would make me happy if we
> could
> > > >>talk
> > > >>about how to get indymedia us finished int ime for these larger
> events
> > > >>that are taking place NOW.  Or we can deliberate about this for a
> > > >>couple
> > > >>of months.
> > > >>
> > > >>bht
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>Maybe if the site directed people to another site set up just for
> > > >>>open
> > > >>>publishing with a
> > > >>>different root address that would be enough distance to make
> google
> > > >>>happy.
> > > >>>us.indmedia.org linked to us.openpublishing.org or something.
> > > >>>
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