[IMC-US] turtle.indymedia.org

Tue Jun 22 20:21:29 CDT 2004

Good point on the geo stretch of Turtle Island, Sheri. You may recall back 
even before the "US-IMC" idea was floated on the lists, i was contacting 
progressive indigenous media folks about starting a Turtle Island IMC site. 
Unfortunately, none were able, or willing to put in the time and energy 
needed; however, now that we're gaining on this thing i could take another 
shot at it, especially if we decide to use the Turtle Island name.
My contacts among native folks are relatively limited, so it would be good 
if everyone here ran the concept by native media activists they know 
personally (it might be wise to avoid trying to bring in folks we don't 
really know or who can't be vouched for).

d.o.

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>From: "sheri at speakeasy.org" <sheri at speakeasy.net>
>To: "faith swords" <faith at ucimc.org>, bradley at riseup.net
>CC: imc-us at lists.cu.groogroo.com
>Subject: Re:  [IMC-US] turtle.indymedia.org
>Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:29:48 +0000
>
>hi all,
>
>i haven't been able to contribute much to the current discussions about the 
>newsreal and all that has brought up because of lack of time but i do plan 
>to share some history and my own perspective with how the principles of 
>unity came into being.  i've been involved with indymedia since mid 
>september 1999 and have watched both the indymedia newsreal project and the 
>principles of unity come into being.  i have appreciated that people are 
>for the most part engaged in more of a way of dialogue not just debating 
>one perspective or opinion vs. the other.  i will share on that later.
>
>my one quick thought about turtle island is that perhaps by way of 
>"compromise", at a minimum the us site could do a better job than other 
>indymedia sites in terms of educating the "audience" to what the site and 
>values are all about.  so being claer about what open publishing is and why 
>and perhaps that is the time/place to share other names for what this 
>site/space are to us.  a website mission statement perhaps (i hate the word 
>mission conjures up images of spanish colonizers)....
>
>so when people come to the site, they don't just get hit immediately with 
>news and information, but also the values behind what we are doing.  from 
>the beginning we have not communicated that well to people outside the 
>"close circle" so people still come to indymedia andd think they need to 
>submit their feature for approval.  i remember at one point several years 
>ago it was seriously under consideration to have something more like a 
>banner across the global site for open pblishing.  as it was, we ended up 
>with the publish link above the newswire.  even that took some doing.
>
>educating people about what we do, why we do it and our vision of a 
>different way of media making and participation and also geopolitical 
>realities is key.
>
>i am partial to turtle island because it recognizes what the indigenous 
>people know about this land.  turtle island crosses borders into the north 
>and the south and the turtle has something else to teach us.  i would 
>suggest that we invite one of our native american allies to contribute to 
>this.
>
>so keep the name us.indymedia.org and elaborate on the vision.
>
>love
>sheri
>seattle imc
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: faith swords [mailto:faith at ucimc.org]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 01:21 PM
> > To: bradley at riseup.net
> > Cc: imc-us at lists.cu.groogroo.com
> > Subject: Re: [IMC-US] turtle.indymedia.org
> >
> > hi everyone,
> >
> > while i think it's really cool to try to come up with alternatives to
> > "us.indymedia", i feel that the turtle island idea is too confusing to 
>be
> > useful. i don't think that anyone will really know what we're referring
> > to, if we use that name. i myself would be very confused.
> >
> > i also feel that this should be a resource for people in general -- not
> > just indymedia folks, or progressive folks, but regular people who want 
>to
> > get their news from a source that isn't somehow on the government's
> > payroll. i think that kind of user would be confused and possibly put 
>off
> > by the turtle island name.
> >
> > i think we should stick with the us.indymedia name, because it's
> > straightforward and practical.
> >
> > --faith from urbana
> >
> > On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 bradley at riseup.net wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I wish i could have made it to AMC. Thanks for sending out notes about 
>the
> > > indymedia caucus. I'm Bradley, a volunteer with santa cruz indymedia. 
>I'm
> > > going to respond to one of bht's emails below, and then add my 
>comments
> > > about code-base, focus, and hate speech / trolling.
> > >
> > >
> > > > the native americans referred to america as "turtle island".  While 
>it is
> > > > comfusing to call it turtle island imc, that could be gotten around 
>and it
> > > > is a good way to alleviate the concerns of validating the united 
>states.
> > > >
> > > > in the banner, it could say "turtle island imc" and below it faded 
>could
> > > > say something like "a syndication site for united states imc's"
> > >
> > >
> > > Turtle Island Indymedia sounds great to me!
> > > (Let's payback Josh for indymedia.us)
> > >
> > > Let's use turtle.indymedia.org!
> > >
> > > I think we should also get turtleisland.indymedia.org
> > >
> > > There is already a site called Turtle Island Native Network with the 
>URL
> > > turtleisland.org, which is fine with with me ( ;
> > >
> > > > Furthermore, I personally feel that the newswire should be 
>syndication
> > > > only, when people push the "publish" button it should take them to a 
>page
> > > > with local imcs and have a note for them to pich the closest imc to 
>them
> > > > geographically.
> > >
> > >
> > > I support that idea very much!
> > >
> > >
> > > > As far as an editorial team and feature writers, I think that should 
>be
> > > > very organic.  Many local imc's currently have in place an editorial 
>team
> > > > that writes features for their local and just making them features 
>on
> > > > turtle island imc saves work time and promotes local work.  But, 
>there
> > > > will still be times when it would be good to collaborate and make 
>specific
> > > > features so I wouldnt want to make any policy saying one way or the 
>other.
> > >
> > >
> > > I agree here too.
> > >
> > >
> > > > I think that is all I have for now.
> > > > bht
> > > > portland
> > >
> > >
> > > I've been using the editorial features of DadaIMC since Santa Cruz 
>made
> > > the switch from Active to DadaIMC (at least a year ago...) I used 
>Mir's
> > > editorial features while working on FTAAimc.org. Both interfaces are 
>very
> > > nice, and each have their own advantages and disadvantages. 
>Furthermore,
> > > SF-Active certainly has some great features as well, like Indybay's 
>topic
> > > pages and calendar interface! (I can go on about my feelings at some
> > > point...) Overall though, I feel that turtle island indymedia would 
>run
> > > the smoothest on Mir!
> > >
> > > Again, I can go into details later, but one really nice aspect of Mir 
>is
> > > the ease of communication between the editorial collective. Mir has a
> > > built in message board for communication within the interface and 
>there is
> > > a place to leave editorial comments within each individual article!
> > >
> > > I liked bht's idea to have a focus on anti-racism as well as
> > > political-prisoners, but I feel that the work of Critical Resistance 
>is
> > > very important. CR sees ALL prisoners as political-prisoners, and
> > > therefore does not distinguish between 'political-prisoners' and
> > > 'non-political-prisoners' or 'regular prisoners.' for more on that, 
>check
> > > criticalresistance.org and
> > > http://santacruz.indymedia.org/newswire/display/8629/index.php
> > >
> > > And, I agree with bht about feeding the trolls and I don't like doing 
>it.
> > > Trolls are annoying and i support a publishing policy against abuse.
> > > Several abuses have been meantioned already, and I would definately 
>add
> > > 'publishing fake articles' as one of the abuses. I can say more, but I
> > > don't like feeding the trolls. A specific forum for talking about 
>trolls
> > > is a good idea given the reality of the situation, but if the trolls 
>are
> > > able to troll through the forum, then that forum may work to our
> > > disadvantage....
> > >
> > > sincerely,
> > > Bradley
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