[IMC-US] Re: fallujah

Fri Nov 5 15:14:33 CST 2004

hi ana, all.

i think im ay be able to elaborate on the peculiar slant of the global
work group on behalf of iraq.

the global work group has been pretty consistent on posting every story
that is original and relevant that comes across its list.  and there arent
that many features that come across it.  the site moves slow because
proposals come slow.

about iraq, there have been a few articles that were scrutinized...mainly
because they were proposed by united statesians who were drawing most of
there analysis/coverage from corporate stories...and we all know the
corporate media lies.

there are people left from al-muajaha that have tried to be active in the
past but I am sure it is tough for them over there now.  they have more
important things than trying to educate us on what is going on.

and i think that is am important distinction.  imc's are usually started
to be local in scope, but then become more of a wide ranging entity.  I
would much rather get the information on what is going on in iraq from the
iraqi resistance than from activists in nyc or sf.

I hope that makes sense.  I may be completely off, and someone could be on
the phone right now with iraqi contacts getting the story from there and
in solidarity spreading the news.  Correct me if I am wrong.

I think that we should also have the same sort of scrutiny on the level of
original local reports from real people, instead of culled stories pieced
together from the corporate media.

> I think the us imc is poised to be a lot more hard-hitting and fast-paced.
> And definately global in news scope too.

I want to comment on this specifically in its own right.  I mailed
yesterday about a symbiotic relationship with global and other imcs.  I
think us imc will be much more fast paced, it has new energy no real
guidelines and it is slick and exciting.  people have a burst of energy.

I think that taking this are using it to smite global imc is a horrible
idea and we should be sharing energy and actively dialoguing with the good
folks left on the global team.  We dont need to create divisions, and I
think focusing all of our energy on pumping up the us site with global
news is arrogant wrong and divisive.

We need to respect our roles and work together instead of trying to take
over and be "better" than the masthead of our network.  Again, as with
most of my mails, I hope this makes sense.
bht

ahhh! Ana Nogueira
> I also want to be careful about our relationship with global. But global
> has
> a very particular and I would even say peculiar definition of what news
> should become a feature.
>
>  one of the main reasons I personally wanted a usimc site is because I
> have
> been disappointed by the LACK of coverage on global about iraq, and
> generally all the us stories with real global ramifications.
>
> I think the us imc is poised to be a lot more hard-hitting and fast-paced.
> And definately global in news scope too. Us bombing fallujah is definitely
> a
> us news story, and I don¹t know why the global site would pick this
> current
> bombing phase to feature when they have ignored so many in the past.
>
> I think we can accomplish covering all of this if we a) pull more imcs
> into
> the syndication, and b) promote as many global stories from us sites as we
> do local stories. And write our own feature compilations too that cross
> both
> lines.
>
> Peace
> ana
>
> On 11/5/04 2:33 PM, "deva" <drdartist at riseup.net> wrote:
>
>> I would say that us-imc should cover us news
>>
>> Now since the us has its nose and its fist spread all across the world,
>> all news is in a way us news, but I think us-imc should be very careful
>> about harming global imc
>>
>> I am torn, because Fallujah is important news to get out to United
>> Statesians, but if us-imc starts featuring the important news to get
>> out to people, it becomes another kind of global features site. I
>> prefer the idea of syndicating the global features in some manner
>>
>> deva
>>
>>
>> On Nov 5, 2004, at 9:03 AM, max wrote:
>>
>>> well I think this will be an ongoing discussion..what to feature on
>>> us.indy,
>>> what to leave for other IMCs.
>>>
>>> we should definitely get something up on what's going on in fallujah
>>>
>>> http://www.freep.com/news/nw/iraq5e_20041105.htm
>>> http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/
>>> 2002082787_fallujah05.html
>>> http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/14525909
>>> http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=11799
>>>
>>> etc. but I couldn't find any independent coverage/analysis at all.
>>> anyone
>>> know of anything already written up?
>>>
>>> max
>>>
>>>
>>> Quoting bht <bht at indymedia.org>:
>>>
>>>> i am also against having this a feature of us imc.  i think its place
>>>> on
>>>> us imc would be in the syndicated feature wire should indybay feature
>>>> it
>>>> on their local page.
>>>>
>>>> this is a global story.  it belongs on the global page, i almost think
>>>> it
>>>> would be good to highlight somewhere on the site other indy sites like
>>>> us
>>>> imc.  there is global, of course, and there is also oceania
>>>> syndication
>>>> site.
>>>>
>>>> also, i am very concerned about the crossposting on indy sites, and i
>>>> especially worry about the relationship that us.indy will have with
>>>> indymedia.org
>>>>
>>>> i dont know how many of you are familiar with the global process and
>>>> such,
>>>> but global imc working group is a very small group of people that take
>>>> original submissions or compile features themselves and post them as
>>>> features.
>>>>
>>>> i think the actual number of people that actively participate in
>>>> global
>>>> features right now is 4 or 6.  And quite a few of the people on this
>>>> list
>>>> and actively doing work on this site are people that used to be
>>>> involved
>>>> with global features.  So the energy and momentum is switching, as it
>>>> should.
>>>>
>>>> I kind of lost my track of thought, so I am going to stop rambling.
>>>> But,
>>>> I think my main point was that we should create a symbiotic
>>>> relationship
>>>> with other indy sites, especially global.
>>>> bht
>>>>
>>>> ahhh! Chris Anderson
>>>>>> And we don't have to mention the US connection in
>>>>>> every story either.  If we did it would
>>>>>> sound like the RCP having to mention Bob Avakian in
>>>>>> every story, speech, etc.  The
>>>>>> cumulative coverage of the site will make the US
>>>>>> connection clear.
>>>>>
>>>>> I disagree with the above statement in general, but am
>>>>> not opposed to this feature specifically. That said, I
>>>>> dont see why we shouldn't mention the impact Arafat's
>>>>> death will have on the US.  There's a way to do it so
>>>>> we dont "sound like bob avakian."
>>>>>
>>>>> chris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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