[IMC-US] POSTED: "Thinking about Gannon-gate"

Tribal Scribal valeoftheoaks at hotmail.com
Sun Feb 13 07:29:14 CST 2005 

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"I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as 
necessary in the political world as storms in the physical world."

- Thomas Jefferson
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>From: "Tribal Scribal" <valeoftheoaks at hotmail.com>
>To: imc-us at ucimc.org, imc-us-editorial at ucimc.org
>Subject: [Imc-us-editorial] PROPOSED: promote "PropaGannon scandal 
>rocksWhite House"
>Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:09:51 +0000
>
>
>The piece is now on NYC & the U.S. newswire. I propose we promote it to the 
>feature column. The title has been changed to "Thinking about Gannon-gate"
>
>d.o.
>
>
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>"I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as 
>necessary in the political world as storms in the physical world."
>
>- Thomas Jefferson
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>more rebellion here:
>http://concertobi.blogspot.com/
>
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>
>
>
>
>>From: john duda <john at manifestor.org>
>>To: Tribal Scribal <valeoftheoaks at hotmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Imc-us-editorial] RE: [IMC-US] more on: PropaGannon scandal 
>>rocksWhite House
>>Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:06:36 -0700
>>
>>can we go ahead an post with these additions?
>>
>>john
>>
>>On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 01:33:14PM +0000, Tribal Scribal wrote:
>> > Excellent! A few minor suggestions (additions in caps):
>> >
>> > 1)First line: "the rapidly blossoming WHITE HOUSE press scandal"
>> >
>> >  Second line:
>> > Also, let's make the connection to Rove and the rightwing PR machine 
>>w/an
>> > added question like:
>> > "What's his connection to Karl Rove and the rightwing <a
>> > href="http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/extra/archives/001437.html">PR
>> > machine</a>?
>> >
>> > 2)First line, 2nd graph: "That sounds a little harsher than IT'S MEANT 
>>TO.
>> >
>> > 3)3rd graph: Media Matters isn't a blog. David Brock (interestingly a
>> > reformed rightwing hatchet guy) and his coworkers run a kick-ass media
>> > activism org. You could just add: "..AND Media Matters"
>> >
>> > 4)First line,Last graph: Either "we in the alternative media have been
>> > gleefully tearing down the walls that separate journalists from 
>>ordinary
>> > people for years now" or "we at INDYMEDIA have been gleefully tearing 
>>down
>> > the walls that separate journalists from ordinary people for close to 
>>six
>> > years now"
>> >
>> > 5)2nd line, Last graph: "...and doesn't seem to care who is a 
>>"journalist"
>> > these days as long as this or that person ADHERES TO THE BUSH REGIME'S
>> > FAR-RIGHT AGENDA"
>> >
>> > I like the way you've left it open ended. Hopefully it will spark a lot 
>>of
>> > productive dialogue & comments. Very cool.
>> >
>> > Here's a telling pic of Scott McClellan: www.straitstimes.com/.../
>> > white_house.jpg
>> >
>> > d.o.
>> >
>> >
>> > >From: Chris Anderson <chanders_imc at yahoo.com>
>> > >To: imc-us at lists.ucimc.org, 
>>imc-us at ucimc.org,imc-us-editorial at ucimc.org
>> > >CC: rabble at indymedia.org, breitbart at indymedia.org
>> > >Subject: [Imc-us-editorial] RE: [IMC-US] more on: PropaGannon scandal
>> > >rocksWhite House
>> > >Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:02:03 -0800 (PST)
>> > >
>> > >Here's an UNFINISHED draft of some thoughts on Gannon. I'll certainly 
>>add
>> > >more to it tomorrow, and when its done it'll be up on the nyc-imc 
>>website
>> > >for use at imc us if people want it.
>> > >
>> > >----
>> > >
>> > >Why <b>shouldn't</b> James Guckert (aka 'Jeff Gannon')have been 
>>allowed in
>> > >the White House briefing room?
>> > ><p>
>> > >Multiple questions surround the rapidly blossoming <a
>> > >href=http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2005/02/1710897.php>press 
>>scandal</a>:
>> > >did Guckert <a 
>>href=http://dailykos.com/story/2005/2/10/224122/709>blow
>> > >the CIA cover</a> of Valerie Plame? Or <a
>> > 
>> >href=http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000799182>not</a>?
>> > >What's Guckert's connection to the raft of <a
>> > 
>> >href=http://rawstory.com/news/2005/index.php?p=47>homosexually-themed</a>
>> > >military escort websites registered under his name? What is <a
>> > >href=http://www.leadpencil.net/blog/archives/000234.html>'Talon 
>>News'</a>?
>> > >How does the Guckert case relate to other <a
>> > >href=http://www.mydd.com/story/2005/1/11/145618/565>recent</a>
>> > >Bush-admnistration propaganda scandals? The real question, though, is 
>>far
>> > >harder to answer: what does it say about the state of American 
>>journalism
>> > >when a fraudulent, partisan journalist is unmaked by insurgent, 
>>partisan
>> > >bloggers?  On what grounds can those of us in the radical media
>> > > criticize J.D. Guckert?
>> > ><p>
>> > >That sounds a little harsher than I probably mean it to. After all, 
>>the
>> > >bloggers (<a href=http://www.dailykos.com>Daily Kos</a>, <a
>> > >href=http"//atrios.blogspot.com>Atrios</a>, <A
>> > >href=http://mediamatters.org/>Media Matters</a>) who uncovered this 
>>farce
>> > >really are heroes. And there are a few big differences between Guckert 
>>and
>> > >the members of the left-wing blogosphere; for one thing, they don't 
>>use
>> > >fake names to get access to White House press conferences, and for 
>>another
>> > >they haven't been under invesitgation for their connection to the 
>>Plame
>> > >affair.
>> > ><p>
>> > >But the issue goes deeper than this. After all, we in the alternative
>> > >media have been gleefully tearing down the walls that separate 
>>journalists
>> > >from ordinary people for close to six years now. It seems the Bush
>> > >administration is cynically taking our advice, and doesn't seem to 
>>care
>> > >who is a "journalist" these days as long as this or that person is on
>> > >their side. As White House spokesman Scott McClellan <a
>> > >href=http://wmass.indymedia.org/otherpress/display/276>said</a> on 
>>Friday,
>> > >"in this day and age, when you have a changing media, it's not an easy
>> > >issue to decide or try to pick and choose who is a journalist."  Of
>> > >course, as long as they spin your lies and shill for your domestic
>> > >programs its easy to look the other way.<
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> > >Tribal Scribal <valeoftheoaks at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > >just checking in for a minute. i'll take a stab at "tying it all 
>>together"
>> > >in the AM if no one does a workup before then, but we need more indy 
>>links.
>> > >i was hoping dc would have something up, but no dice. you guys in nyc 
>>have
>> > >today's interview between "gannon" and E&P here:
>> > >http://nyc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/141366/index.php which 
>>helps, but
>> > >we have no original indy material (commentary anyone?).
>> > >
>> > >i think "what can indymedia add that everyone else cant?" is to get 
>>into
>> > >the
>> > >nuances of what constitutes journalism. This will be dicey. As we all 
>>know,
>> > >indy's been slammed for not being "real journalists" too. This is 
>>where i
>> > >need to hear from you guys. Talon is an obvious PR front for far-right
>> > >operatives. It's lies and disinforms. Indy is democratic grassroots,
>> > >advocacy journalism. I would hope that we all strive to seek the 
>>truth, but
>> > >it's open publishing and that leaves us open to disinfo as well. How 
>>do we
>> > >make the distictions here? How do we make the case that indy should be 
>>in
>> > >the room and talon shouldn't? OR do we just blow this part of the 
>>story off
>> > >and hope that it doesn't come back & bite us in the ass?
>> > >
>> > >Also, we need to keep the focus on the Bush regime's MASSIVE public
>> > >relations scam and manipulation of the corporate media. The White 
>>House is
>> > >going to pull out all the stops to move the focus over to the need to
>> > >improve security ("how'd this guy get into the WH so easy" blaa, 
>>blaa).
>> > >They
>> > >may even find some McClellan underling to fall on his sword. The 
>>corporado
>> > >media will probably follow suit (even though they've been publicly
>> > >shafted).
>> > >
>> > >Your thoughts?
>> > >
>> > >d.o.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >***************************************
>> > >"I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and 
>>as
>> > >necessary in the political world as storms in the physical world."
>> > >
>> > >- Thomas Jefferson
>> > >***************************************
>> > >more rebellion here:
>> > >http://concertobi.blogspot.com/
>> > >
>> > >***************************************
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >>From: Chris Anderson
>> > >>Reply-To: "Working Group for IMC-US."
>> > >>To: "Working Group for IMC-US." ,imc-us at ucimc.org,
>> > >>imc-us-editorial at ucimc.org
>> > >>CC: rabble at indymedia.org, breitbart at indymedia.org
>> > >>Subject: [IMC-US] more on: PropaGannon scandal rocks White House
>> > >>Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:45:55 -0800 (PST)
>> > >>
>> > >>-There are really four (or five) stories going on
>> > >>here. I figured the next step would be to break them
>> > >>down one by one:
>> > >>
>> > >>1. The story of how what bascially ammounted to a
>> > >>right-wing blogger got prime access to White House
>> > >>press briefings on a Daily basis where he asked
>> > >>partisan and misleading questions
>> > >>
>> > >>2. His connection to the Valerie Plame affair.
>> > >>
>> > >>3. The way he is tied into larger bush media
>> > >>manipulation's, including Bush's staged "pre-war"
>> > >>press conference, the fact that Bush paid various
>> > >>conservative columnists to promote his programs, and
>> > >>the fact that Bish admin sent out fake tv-news release
>> > >>to promte social programs.
>> > >>
>> > >>4. Gannon's domain name ownership of vaious
>> > >>gay-escort military sites
>> > >>
>> > >>5. the larger meta question about blogs, the media,
>> > >>indymedia, etc.
>> > >>
>> > >>here are some more links (more mainstream):
>> > >>
>> > >>Howard Kurtz on the affair
>> > >>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/nation/columns/kurtzhoward/
>> > >>and buzzflash on kurtz
>> > >>http://www.buzzflash.com/editorial/05/02/edi05028.html
>> > >>editor and publisher runs 3 stories, including an
>> > >>interview with gannon where he basically denies the
>> > >>whole thing
>> > >>
>> > 
>> >>http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000799182
>> > >>
>> > 
>> >>http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000798573
>> > >>
>> > 
>> >>http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000798395
>> > >>
>> > >>interesting, the lefty bloggers are now totally
>> > >>playing down the whole sex thing: the major wrap up
>> > >>press release by
>> > >>daily kos doesn't even mention it:
>> > >>
>> > 
>> >>http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000798395
>> > >>
>> > >>because the fact that they probed the guy's personal
>> > >>life if being used, in the height of hypocricy, but
>> > >>the right wing bloggers to attack the lefties
>> > >>
>> > >>what else to folks think? anyone want to tie this all
>> > >>together? and the key question is still: what can
>> > >>indymedia add that everyone else cant?
>> > >>
>> > >>chris
>> > >>
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