[IMC-US] 5-3-05 notes, but not formatted
bradley at riseup.net
bradley at riseup.net
Wed May 4 00:13:08 CDT 2005
http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/ImcUsMeeting2005May3
betsy yehaa! meeting time [in a few minutes]
betsy hi john
bradley i just added some links to the mayday wiki pad
mahtin what is this meeting, i didn't know there was a meeting
bradley what list are you on mahtin?
are you on this list?
imc-us
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bradley be sure to join this list
http://lists.ucimc.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/imc-us
bradley i've sent out three emails about the meeting
mahtin dude i am on so many fucking lists
bradley i guess i should have CCed imc-us-editorial
mahtin i can't get on another
bradley join one more for imc-us, yes you can
bradley well, obviously we need to figure that out. which lists
people should join and how we should use them
betsy this is hte party meeting :) we're planning a party at the
white house
betsy it's called the revolution and YOU ALL are invited!!!
mahtin well, have a good meeting
betsy nooooo,don't leave
mahtin i am still waiting for updates from jeff p for the
military resister story
mahtin i don't think lotus's should be a separate center column
thing- i think it should be parto f the one i am doing
mahtin that's my thoughts
mahtin i have to go get junkfoodahold
bradley yeah, that is why i sent that to you
mahtin oops junkfoodahol
mahtin i saw it this am
mahtin and my acct is 99.2% full
bradley i agree the sd info should go into the feature you write
mahtin i guess i could deal with the fullness now
bradley i added mayday links here
http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/ImcUsMayDayWorkPad
bradley so, this works:
http://nyc.indymedia.org/feature/display/149299/index.php
but this goes to indy.us
http://nyc.indymedia.org/
bradley why?
john bradley: clear your cache
bradley who is here for a meeting?
nyc_josh me, sort of
bradley ok, i will clear all
nyc_josh have to multitask
john i am here for a meeting. the west coast better represent,
it's pretty late here...
bradley thanks, john, much better, glad to see nyc-imc again.
and, hi josh, multitask is cool, thanks
bradley who chose this time again?
mahtin yah, 5pm makes a lot more sense
mahtin ok i am out
bradley if this time does not work, then.....
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bradley how about 6pm PST and 9pm EST?
john hey sarsnic
bradley what about atlanta and austin. are they back up?
sarsnic hey whats up
bradley people here so far to meet, from what i can tell:
bradley
john
josh - sorta
sarsnic
betsy betsy's here
bradley good
betsy but am tired too
bradley how about 6pm PST and 9pm EST?
next time?
betsy ahhh,,, i like that idea :)
bradley motion passes
bradley i'm joking
bradley but, if it works for other people, it works for me too
bradley it is 8:15
bradley time is ticking
bradley people are tired
bradley anyone want to log this meeting?
bradley do we want a facilitator? do we want to propose agenda
items? outreach was mentioned. or, shall we work together on a nice may
day feature?
sarsnic I block
sarsnic j/k
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john i like a working meeting, with some updates on outreach
john i'm specifically interested in dead imc's, and what we can
do to help them
bradley that rocks, i'm with you john
sarsnic I got a list together of dead imcs a while ago
bradley can you pull that up again?
sarsnic yeah
john is austin still down ? :(
bradley shall we pick an order to work on these three topics? or
sorta all at once (-:
i'll try either way
sarsnic this was the imcs that happened to be dead in december
nyc_josh define dead
bradley no features in three months
nyc_josh that's a good measure
sarsnic
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-process/2004-December/1223-qz.html
sarsnic and some didn't come up at all - I am sure some have been
revived
bradley john, how can we best help them? how can i help.
bradley a friend of mine, a sc-imc techie, offered to help betsy
out with stl-imc, for a couple hours to get her square on stuff (-:
bradley i guess they will be using dada
nyc_josh in some instances, they might not need help. they might
need to go dormant
sarsnic victoria wanted help and it appears they got it
bradley anyone want to log this meeting. you can vote for me to
do it (-:
bradley but i don't volunteer to do formatting
john nyc_josh: that's what i'd say.....we should be trying to do
triage, finding out why sites are dead, suggesting really dead sites go
dormant, and figuring which sites need help, and getting help there,
either virtually or in person
nyc_josh that sounds like a healthy auditing process
nyc_josh dormant could mean site is still up, but with a notice
and open publishing turned off
john yeah, ideally turned into static html that doesn't present a
security risk.
sarsnic I know there is alot to discuss, but I am a bit
interested in the conundrum presented by the belgium disaffiliation request
nyc_josh ?
bradley sarsnic, that is totally off topic here, sorry
john that's quite a shitstorm....
sarsnic yeah thats cool
sarsnic sorry :)
bradley it would be good for you send an email to imc-us to let
people know about the various list for indymedia global process.
bradley if you want, that would be helpful, i think. or, for
anyone to do it
bradley so shall we try to dig up contact info for the various
imcs which may desire help?
john yeah, i don't think we should supplant the established
process, but try to help out bringing stuff to its attention
john
http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/ImcUsStudentResistanceWorkPad
john i think i got all the counterrecruitment stories so far, but
please feel free to add some....
john oops i missed the bronx
bradley some links are in the edit, but not on the page. is it me
again?
bradley the link to sc was missing a quote. it is ok now, thanks john
john thank you
bradley i can work on trying to find contact info for 'dead imcs'
if that would be helpful now
bradley or, updating the list sarsnic made, yeah, i'll do that
bradley i want to update this page at the same time.
http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/ImcUsSyndication
do you have an updated list, john?
bradley of IMCs syndicated to Indy.us?
bradley if, not, no big deal
nyc_josh it would be nice to have that list - of which us imcs
are syndicated to the site - on the site (maybe at the top of the cities
list)
bradley well, i'll update it now
bradley thanks josh
john hmmm....
john i wonder if i could automate it somehow.....
bradley and i'll kick back, thanks!
john i have a list of feeds, but not all the feeds work
john so it's a matter of going through logs and looking at error
messages....
john ideally there would be a checkmark next to the imc on the
cities list.
bradley i can just update the list by memory and by checking the
site and admin interface
bradley or, if you want to dig through the logs and think it
would be quicker
bradley i'll work on updating now (-:
bradley john, are you sending me info on IMCs that have a working
feed to indy.us?
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john the student resistance thing is coming along....
john i can't find an indy link for the emerson walkout, and i
dont' feel qualified to write the tent state part
john bradley...i'll trade you....i'll make the working feed list
if you summarize tent state :)
mark i think we should add functionality to contact.indy to check
if feed URLs exist, validate, and put link/title/description into database
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john mark that is a great idea!
bradley hi mark, great to see you round here
bradley as long as we are talking about the ciites list, can we
move the "projects" and "regional IMCs" to the top? they are
automatically the bottom of the sc-imc city list
mark i dont really know any good way to validate aside from
feedvalidator.org
mark the results could be parsed for <h2>Congratulations, Warning
or Sorry (for errors)</h2>
john probably the easiest way to do it...shame they don't have an api
mark well i can download it and install it
mark i guess that would be way faster if we wanted to validate
all feeds at once
mark it is python
mark we could validate all feeds and then have nice little smiley
faces, frowney face etc.
mark maybe we could have a cronjob validate all feeds once a day
and send erros and warnings somewhere
john it would be also cool to note the most recent entry
mark trying to syndicate open publishing is a mess, i've found
almost every known illegal character in indybay's newswire feed
nyc_josh that would make doing the audit a hell of a lot easier
john many feeds validate, but are very very stale (i.e. missing
cronjobs)
nyc_josh I mean, if there could be some sort of automated notice
that went to a list when an imc hadn't published a feature for a month
john i have some code that cleans feeds up. we could even install
that on contact.indymedia and attempt to automatically clean up bad feeds
nyc_josh then you can check to see if it's a tech issue or a
human resource issue
bradley can anyone help get the audio from SC-IMC syndicated to
radio-imc, by chance????
I asked spud for the syndication info, but have not heard back. is this
something that you can help with mark?
john the code also does some badass screen scraping that turns
minimal feeds into full content feeds automagically
mark cool. i have some decent code in indybay based on actual
characters we came across , it is a huge search and replace array(e.g.
replace ascii value 1 with nothing)
mark but i haven't yet merged into sf-active
mark i don't know how people end up with those control characters
when they post
mark bradley i think there is a standard url for audio
syndication in dada
mark check radio.indy and see if corresponding url works on sc.indy
bradley it was working when we had dadaIMC dada .98, but since
our upgrade to .99 almost 2 months ago, we have not been syndicating
mark is the url there and not updating? maybe u don't have the
right cronjob
john mark: tidy does a decent job cleaning up feeds...it's what
my script uses, along with a screen scraping perl thing called "nexus"
bradley i think the URL for audio syndication that worked before
is no longer working
mark does tidy get rid of all the control characters?
mark bradley i don't know jack about dada. if the url is gone
then there must be a new url. if so then we can apply it to the
radio.indy site
bradley thanks mark, i'll keep trying to figure out the new URL
mark looks like all the dada sites on radio.indy have /audio.xml
john mark: i may be wrong....i thought i was using tidy to clean
up the feed, but it turns out i'm just using it to clean up the scraped html
mark so either the cronjob doesnt have permission to create that
file or the cronjob doesnt exist
mark u need to ask spud how to get your site to create the
audio.xml file
mark john: ok. i've found its not so hard to syndicate features,
if everyone is using the same character set, you can use php to convert
to utf8 easily enough, but with open publishing u somehow tend to get
character soup
mark so we have this huge array to try to turn windows, mac,
utf8, control characters and anything else into valid xml
john i'm going to go through that list of non-syndicated imc's
and see if i can't get any of them to work
bradley right on
john i'll also note whether the imc looks dead or not....
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