[IMC-US] 5-3-05 notes, but not formatted

onto onto at riseup.net
Fri May 6 11:24:51 CDT 2005


Sorry all i couldnt make it. My computer/tech abilities are very limited
from where i am right now.

Looks like a lot of Techie info during the meeting. Not sure i
understand it all, but it looks good. Any decisions about the full
screen indy.us banner and page? Did that get trashed?

I can't do a lot of outreach this month. But i can start up again in June.

amor y rabia,
    onto
   http://sandiego.indymedia.org

bradley at riseup.net wrote:
> http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/ImcUsMeeting2005May3
> 
> betsy    yehaa! meeting time [in a few minutes]
>    betsy    hi john
>    bradley    i just added some links to the mayday wiki pad
>    mahtin    what is this meeting, i didn't know there was a meeting
>    bradley    what list are you on mahtin?
> 
> are you on this list?
> imc-us
>    -->|    baku (cgiirc at adsl-65-70-203-143.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) has 
> joined #us
>    bradley    be sure to join this list
> http://lists.ucimc.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/imc-us
>    bradley    i've sent out three emails about the meeting
>    mahtin    dude i am on so many fucking lists
>    bradley    i guess i should have CCed imc-us-editorial
>    mahtin    i can't get on another
>    bradley    join one more for imc-us, yes you can
>    bradley    well, obviously we need to figure that out. which lists 
> people should join and how we should use them
>    betsy    this is hte party meeting :) we're planning a party at the 
> white house
>    betsy    it's called the revolution and YOU ALL are invited!!!
>    mahtin    well, have a good meeting
>    betsy    nooooo,don't leave
>    mahtin    i am still waiting for updates from jeff p for the military 
> resister story
>    mahtin    i don't think lotus's should be a separate center column 
> thing- i think it should be parto f the one i am doing
>    mahtin    that's my thoughts
>    mahtin    i have to go get junkfoodahold
>    bradley    yeah, that is why i sent that to you
>    mahtin    oops junkfoodahol
>    mahtin    i saw it this am
>    mahtin    and my acct is 99.2% full
>    bradley    i agree the sd info should go into the feature you write
>    mahtin    i guess i could deal with the fullness now
>    bradley    i added mayday links here
> http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/ImcUsMayDayWorkPad
>    bradley    so, this works:
> http://nyc.indymedia.org/feature/display/149299/index.php
> 
> but this goes to indy.us
> http://nyc.indymedia.org/
>    bradley    why?
>    john    bradley: clear your cache
>    bradley    who is here for a meeting?
>    nyc_josh    me, sort of
>    bradley    ok, i will clear all
>    nyc_josh    have to multitask
>    john    i am here for a meeting. the west coast better represent, 
> it's pretty late here...
>    bradley    thanks, john, much better, glad to see nyc-imc again.
> and, hi josh, multitask is cool, thanks
>    bradley    who chose this time again?
>    mahtin    yah, 5pm makes a lot more sense
>    mahtin    ok i am out
>    bradley    if this time does not work, then.....
>    -->|    sarsnic (cgiirc at cpe-66-69-150-20.houston.res.rr.com) has 
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>    bradley    how about 6pm PST and 9pm EST?
>    john    hey sarsnic
>    bradley    what about atlanta and austin. are they back up?
>    sarsnic    hey whats up
>    bradley    people here so far to meet, from what i can tell:
> 
> bradley
> john
> josh - sorta
> sarsnic
>    betsy    betsy's here
>    bradley    good
>    betsy    but am tired too
>    bradley    how about 6pm PST and 9pm EST?
> next time?
>    betsy    ahhh,,, i like that idea :)
>    bradley    motion passes
>    bradley    i'm joking
>    bradley    but, if it works for other people, it works for me too
>    bradley    it is 8:15
>    bradley    time is ticking
>    bradley    people are tired
>    bradley    anyone want to log this meeting?
>    bradley    do we want a facilitator? do we want to propose agenda 
> items? outreach was mentioned. or, shall we work together on a nice may 
> day feature?
>    sarsnic    I block
>    sarsnic    j/k
>    |<--    betsy has left irc.indymedia.org (Quit: CGI:IRC)
>    john    i like a working meeting, with some updates on outreach
>    john    i'm specifically interested in dead imc's, and what we can do 
> to help them
>    bradley    that rocks, i'm with you john
>    sarsnic    I got a list together of dead imcs a while ago
>    bradley    can you pull that up again?
>    sarsnic    yeah
>    john    is austin still down ? :(
>    bradley    shall we pick an order to work on these three topics? or 
> sorta all at once (-:
> i'll try either way
>    sarsnic    this was the imcs that happened to be dead in december
>    nyc_josh    define dead
>    bradley    no features in three months
>    nyc_josh    that's a good measure
>    sarsnic   
> http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-process/2004-December/1223-qz.html
>    sarsnic    and some didn't come up at all - I am sure some have been 
> revived
>    bradley    john, how can we best help them? how can i help.
>    bradley    a friend of mine, a sc-imc techie, offered to help betsy 
> out with stl-imc, for a couple hours to get her square on stuff (-:
>    bradley    i guess they will be using dada
>    nyc_josh    in some instances, they might not need help. they might 
> need to go dormant
>    sarsnic    victoria wanted help and it appears they got it
>    bradley    anyone want to log this meeting. you can vote for me to do 
> it (-:
>    bradley    but i don't volunteer to do formatting
>    john    nyc_josh: that's what i'd say.....we should be trying to do 
> triage, finding out why sites are dead, suggesting really dead sites go 
> dormant, and figuring which sites need help, and getting help there, 
> either virtually or in person
>    nyc_josh    that sounds like a healthy auditing process
>    nyc_josh    dormant could mean site is still up, but with a notice 
> and open publishing turned off
>    john    yeah, ideally turned into static html that doesn't present a 
> security risk.
>    sarsnic    I know there is alot to discuss, but I am a bit interested 
> in the conundrum presented by the belgium disaffiliation request
>    nyc_josh    ?
>    bradley    sarsnic, that is totally off topic here, sorry
>    john    that's quite a shitstorm....
>    sarsnic    yeah thats cool
>    sarsnic    sorry :)
>    bradley    it would be good for you send an email to imc-us to let 
> people know about the various list for indymedia global process.
>    bradley    if you want, that would be helpful, i think. or, for 
> anyone to do it
>    bradley    so shall we try to dig up contact info for the various 
> imcs which may desire help?
>    john    yeah, i don't think we should supplant the established 
> process, but try to help out bringing stuff to its attention
>    john   
> http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/ImcUsStudentResistanceWorkPad
>    john    i think i got all the counterrecruitment stories so far, but 
> please feel free to add some....
>    john    oops i missed the bronx
>    bradley    some links are in the edit, but not on the page. is it me 
> again?
>    bradley    the link to sc was missing a quote. it is ok now, thanks john
>    john    thank you
>    bradley    i can work on trying to find contact info for 'dead imcs' 
> if that would be helpful now
>    bradley    or, updating the list sarsnic made, yeah, i'll do that
>    bradley    i want to update this page at the same time.
> http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/ImcUsSyndication
> do you have an updated list, john?
>    bradley    of IMCs syndicated to Indy.us?
>    bradley    if, not, no big deal
>    nyc_josh    it would be nice to have that list - of which us imcs are 
> syndicated to the site - on the site (maybe at the top of the cities list)
>    bradley    well, i'll update it now
>    bradley    thanks josh
>    john    hmmm....
>    john    i wonder if i could automate it somehow.....
>    bradley    and i'll kick back, thanks!
>    john    i have a list of feeds, but not all the feeds work
>    john    so it's a matter of going through logs and looking at error 
> messages....
>    john    ideally there would be a checkmark next to the imc on the 
> cities list.
>    bradley    i can just update the list by memory and by checking the 
> site and admin interface
>    bradley    or, if you want to dig through the logs and think it would 
> be quicker
>    bradley    i'll work on updating now (-:
>    bradley    john, are you sending me info on IMCs that have a working 
> feed to indy.us?
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>    john    the student resistance thing is coming along....
>    john    i can't find an indy link for the emerson walkout, and i 
> dont' feel qualified to write the tent state part
>    john    bradley...i'll trade you....i'll make the working feed list 
> if you summarize tent state :)
>    mark    i think we should add functionality to contact.indy to check 
> if feed URLs exist, validate, and put link/title/description into database
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>    john    mark that is a great idea!
>    bradley    hi mark, great to see you round here
>    bradley    as long as we are talking about the ciites list, can we 
> move the "projects" and "regional IMCs" to the top? they are 
> automatically the bottom of the sc-imc city list
>    mark    i dont really know any good way to validate aside from 
> feedvalidator.org
>    mark    the results could be parsed for <h2>Congratulations, Warning 
> or Sorry (for errors)</h2>
>    john    probably the easiest way to do it...shame they don't have an api
>    mark    well i can download it and install it
>    mark    i guess that would be way faster if we wanted to validate all 
> feeds at once
>    mark    it is python
>    mark    we could validate all feeds and then have nice little smiley 
> faces, frowney face etc.
>    mark    maybe we could have a cronjob validate all feeds once a day 
> and send erros and warnings somewhere
>    john    it would be also cool to note the most recent entry
>    mark    trying to syndicate open publishing is a mess, i've found 
> almost every known illegal character in indybay's newswire feed
>    nyc_josh    that would make doing the audit a hell of a lot easier
>    john    many feeds validate, but are very very stale (i.e. missing 
> cronjobs)
>    nyc_josh    I mean, if there could be some sort of automated notice 
> that went to a list when an imc hadn't published a feature for a month
>    john    i have some code that cleans feeds up. we could even install 
> that on contact.indymedia and attempt to automatically clean up bad feeds
>    nyc_josh    then you can check to see if it's a tech issue or a human 
> resource issue
>    bradley    can anyone help get the audio from SC-IMC syndicated to 
> radio-imc, by chance????
> I asked spud for the syndication info, but have not heard back. is this 
> something that you can help with mark?
>    john    the code also does some badass screen scraping that turns 
> minimal feeds into full content feeds automagically
>    mark    cool. i have some decent code in indybay based on actual 
> characters we came across , it is a huge search and replace array(e.g. 
> replace ascii value 1 with nothing)
>    mark    but i haven't yet merged into sf-active
>    mark    i don't know how people end up with those control characters 
> when they post
>    mark    bradley i think there is a standard url for audio syndication 
> in dada
>    mark    check radio.indy and see if corresponding url works on sc.indy
>    bradley    it was working when we had dadaIMC dada .98, but since our 
> upgrade to .99 almost 2 months ago, we have not been syndicating
>    mark    is the url there and not updating? maybe u don't have the 
> right cronjob
>    john    mark: tidy does a decent job cleaning up feeds...it's what my 
> script uses, along with a screen scraping perl thing called "nexus"
>    bradley    i think the URL for audio syndication that worked before 
> is no longer working
>    mark    does tidy get rid of all the control characters?
>    mark    bradley i don't know jack about dada. if the url is gone then 
> there must be a new url. if so then we can apply it to the radio.indy site
>    bradley    thanks mark, i'll keep trying to figure out the new URL
>    mark    looks like all the dada sites on radio.indy have /audio.xml
>    john    mark: i may be wrong....i thought i was using tidy to clean 
> up the feed, but it turns out i'm just using it to clean up the scraped 
> html
>    mark    so either the cronjob doesnt have permission to create that 
> file or the cronjob doesnt exist
>    mark    u need to ask spud how to get your site to create the 
> audio.xml file
>    mark    john: ok. i've found its not so hard to syndicate features, 
> if everyone is using the same character set, you can use php to convert 
> to utf8 easily enough, but with open publishing u somehow tend to get 
> character soup
>    mark    so we have this huge array to try to turn windows, mac, utf8, 
> control characters and anything else into valid xml
>    john    i'm going to go through that list of non-syndicated imc's and 
> see if i can't get any of them to work
>    bradley    right on
>    john    i'll also note whether the imc looks dead or not....
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