[IMC-US] 5-3-05 notes, but not formatted
onto
onto at riseup.net
Fri May 6 11:24:51 CDT 2005
Sorry all i couldnt make it. My computer/tech abilities are very limited
from where i am right now.
Looks like a lot of Techie info during the meeting. Not sure i
understand it all, but it looks good. Any decisions about the full
screen indy.us banner and page? Did that get trashed?
I can't do a lot of outreach this month. But i can start up again in June.
amor y rabia,
onto
http://sandiego.indymedia.org
bradley at riseup.net wrote:
> http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/ImcUsMeeting2005May3
>
> betsy yehaa! meeting time [in a few minutes]
> betsy hi john
> bradley i just added some links to the mayday wiki pad
> mahtin what is this meeting, i didn't know there was a meeting
> bradley what list are you on mahtin?
>
> are you on this list?
> imc-us
> -->| baku (cgiirc at adsl-65-70-203-143.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) has
> joined #us
> bradley be sure to join this list
> http://lists.ucimc.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/imc-us
> bradley i've sent out three emails about the meeting
> mahtin dude i am on so many fucking lists
> bradley i guess i should have CCed imc-us-editorial
> mahtin i can't get on another
> bradley join one more for imc-us, yes you can
> bradley well, obviously we need to figure that out. which lists
> people should join and how we should use them
> betsy this is hte party meeting :) we're planning a party at the
> white house
> betsy it's called the revolution and YOU ALL are invited!!!
> mahtin well, have a good meeting
> betsy nooooo,don't leave
> mahtin i am still waiting for updates from jeff p for the military
> resister story
> mahtin i don't think lotus's should be a separate center column
> thing- i think it should be parto f the one i am doing
> mahtin that's my thoughts
> mahtin i have to go get junkfoodahold
> bradley yeah, that is why i sent that to you
> mahtin oops junkfoodahol
> mahtin i saw it this am
> mahtin and my acct is 99.2% full
> bradley i agree the sd info should go into the feature you write
> mahtin i guess i could deal with the fullness now
> bradley i added mayday links here
> http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/ImcUsMayDayWorkPad
> bradley so, this works:
> http://nyc.indymedia.org/feature/display/149299/index.php
>
> but this goes to indy.us
> http://nyc.indymedia.org/
> bradley why?
> john bradley: clear your cache
> bradley who is here for a meeting?
> nyc_josh me, sort of
> bradley ok, i will clear all
> nyc_josh have to multitask
> john i am here for a meeting. the west coast better represent,
> it's pretty late here...
> bradley thanks, john, much better, glad to see nyc-imc again.
> and, hi josh, multitask is cool, thanks
> bradley who chose this time again?
> mahtin yah, 5pm makes a lot more sense
> mahtin ok i am out
> bradley if this time does not work, then.....
> -->| sarsnic (cgiirc at cpe-66-69-150-20.houston.res.rr.com) has
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> bradley how about 6pm PST and 9pm EST?
> john hey sarsnic
> bradley what about atlanta and austin. are they back up?
> sarsnic hey whats up
> bradley people here so far to meet, from what i can tell:
>
> bradley
> john
> josh - sorta
> sarsnic
> betsy betsy's here
> bradley good
> betsy but am tired too
> bradley how about 6pm PST and 9pm EST?
> next time?
> betsy ahhh,,, i like that idea :)
> bradley motion passes
> bradley i'm joking
> bradley but, if it works for other people, it works for me too
> bradley it is 8:15
> bradley time is ticking
> bradley people are tired
> bradley anyone want to log this meeting?
> bradley do we want a facilitator? do we want to propose agenda
> items? outreach was mentioned. or, shall we work together on a nice may
> day feature?
> sarsnic I block
> sarsnic j/k
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> john i like a working meeting, with some updates on outreach
> john i'm specifically interested in dead imc's, and what we can do
> to help them
> bradley that rocks, i'm with you john
> sarsnic I got a list together of dead imcs a while ago
> bradley can you pull that up again?
> sarsnic yeah
> john is austin still down ? :(
> bradley shall we pick an order to work on these three topics? or
> sorta all at once (-:
> i'll try either way
> sarsnic this was the imcs that happened to be dead in december
> nyc_josh define dead
> bradley no features in three months
> nyc_josh that's a good measure
> sarsnic
> http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-process/2004-December/1223-qz.html
> sarsnic and some didn't come up at all - I am sure some have been
> revived
> bradley john, how can we best help them? how can i help.
> bradley a friend of mine, a sc-imc techie, offered to help betsy
> out with stl-imc, for a couple hours to get her square on stuff (-:
> bradley i guess they will be using dada
> nyc_josh in some instances, they might not need help. they might
> need to go dormant
> sarsnic victoria wanted help and it appears they got it
> bradley anyone want to log this meeting. you can vote for me to do
> it (-:
> bradley but i don't volunteer to do formatting
> john nyc_josh: that's what i'd say.....we should be trying to do
> triage, finding out why sites are dead, suggesting really dead sites go
> dormant, and figuring which sites need help, and getting help there,
> either virtually or in person
> nyc_josh that sounds like a healthy auditing process
> nyc_josh dormant could mean site is still up, but with a notice
> and open publishing turned off
> john yeah, ideally turned into static html that doesn't present a
> security risk.
> sarsnic I know there is alot to discuss, but I am a bit interested
> in the conundrum presented by the belgium disaffiliation request
> nyc_josh ?
> bradley sarsnic, that is totally off topic here, sorry
> john that's quite a shitstorm....
> sarsnic yeah thats cool
> sarsnic sorry :)
> bradley it would be good for you send an email to imc-us to let
> people know about the various list for indymedia global process.
> bradley if you want, that would be helpful, i think. or, for
> anyone to do it
> bradley so shall we try to dig up contact info for the various
> imcs which may desire help?
> john yeah, i don't think we should supplant the established
> process, but try to help out bringing stuff to its attention
> john
> http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/ImcUsStudentResistanceWorkPad
> john i think i got all the counterrecruitment stories so far, but
> please feel free to add some....
> john oops i missed the bronx
> bradley some links are in the edit, but not on the page. is it me
> again?
> bradley the link to sc was missing a quote. it is ok now, thanks john
> john thank you
> bradley i can work on trying to find contact info for 'dead imcs'
> if that would be helpful now
> bradley or, updating the list sarsnic made, yeah, i'll do that
> bradley i want to update this page at the same time.
> http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/ImcUsSyndication
> do you have an updated list, john?
> bradley of IMCs syndicated to Indy.us?
> bradley if, not, no big deal
> nyc_josh it would be nice to have that list - of which us imcs are
> syndicated to the site - on the site (maybe at the top of the cities list)
> bradley well, i'll update it now
> bradley thanks josh
> john hmmm....
> john i wonder if i could automate it somehow.....
> bradley and i'll kick back, thanks!
> john i have a list of feeds, but not all the feeds work
> john so it's a matter of going through logs and looking at error
> messages....
> john ideally there would be a checkmark next to the imc on the
> cities list.
> bradley i can just update the list by memory and by checking the
> site and admin interface
> bradley or, if you want to dig through the logs and think it would
> be quicker
> bradley i'll work on updating now (-:
> bradley john, are you sending me info on IMCs that have a working
> feed to indy.us?
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> john the student resistance thing is coming along....
> john i can't find an indy link for the emerson walkout, and i
> dont' feel qualified to write the tent state part
> john bradley...i'll trade you....i'll make the working feed list
> if you summarize tent state :)
> mark i think we should add functionality to contact.indy to check
> if feed URLs exist, validate, and put link/title/description into database
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> john mark that is a great idea!
> bradley hi mark, great to see you round here
> bradley as long as we are talking about the ciites list, can we
> move the "projects" and "regional IMCs" to the top? they are
> automatically the bottom of the sc-imc city list
> mark i dont really know any good way to validate aside from
> feedvalidator.org
> mark the results could be parsed for <h2>Congratulations, Warning
> or Sorry (for errors)</h2>
> john probably the easiest way to do it...shame they don't have an api
> mark well i can download it and install it
> mark i guess that would be way faster if we wanted to validate all
> feeds at once
> mark it is python
> mark we could validate all feeds and then have nice little smiley
> faces, frowney face etc.
> mark maybe we could have a cronjob validate all feeds once a day
> and send erros and warnings somewhere
> john it would be also cool to note the most recent entry
> mark trying to syndicate open publishing is a mess, i've found
> almost every known illegal character in indybay's newswire feed
> nyc_josh that would make doing the audit a hell of a lot easier
> john many feeds validate, but are very very stale (i.e. missing
> cronjobs)
> nyc_josh I mean, if there could be some sort of automated notice
> that went to a list when an imc hadn't published a feature for a month
> john i have some code that cleans feeds up. we could even install
> that on contact.indymedia and attempt to automatically clean up bad feeds
> nyc_josh then you can check to see if it's a tech issue or a human
> resource issue
> bradley can anyone help get the audio from SC-IMC syndicated to
> radio-imc, by chance????
> I asked spud for the syndication info, but have not heard back. is this
> something that you can help with mark?
> john the code also does some badass screen scraping that turns
> minimal feeds into full content feeds automagically
> mark cool. i have some decent code in indybay based on actual
> characters we came across , it is a huge search and replace array(e.g.
> replace ascii value 1 with nothing)
> mark but i haven't yet merged into sf-active
> mark i don't know how people end up with those control characters
> when they post
> mark bradley i think there is a standard url for audio syndication
> in dada
> mark check radio.indy and see if corresponding url works on sc.indy
> bradley it was working when we had dadaIMC dada .98, but since our
> upgrade to .99 almost 2 months ago, we have not been syndicating
> mark is the url there and not updating? maybe u don't have the
> right cronjob
> john mark: tidy does a decent job cleaning up feeds...it's what my
> script uses, along with a screen scraping perl thing called "nexus"
> bradley i think the URL for audio syndication that worked before
> is no longer working
> mark does tidy get rid of all the control characters?
> mark bradley i don't know jack about dada. if the url is gone then
> there must be a new url. if so then we can apply it to the radio.indy site
> bradley thanks mark, i'll keep trying to figure out the new URL
> mark looks like all the dada sites on radio.indy have /audio.xml
> john mark: i may be wrong....i thought i was using tidy to clean
> up the feed, but it turns out i'm just using it to clean up the scraped
> html
> mark so either the cronjob doesnt have permission to create that
> file or the cronjob doesnt exist
> mark u need to ask spud how to get your site to create the
> audio.xml file
> mark john: ok. i've found its not so hard to syndicate features,
> if everyone is using the same character set, you can use php to convert
> to utf8 easily enough, but with open publishing u somehow tend to get
> character soup
> mark so we have this huge array to try to turn windows, mac, utf8,
> control characters and anything else into valid xml
> john i'm going to go through that list of non-syndicated imc's and
> see if i can't get any of them to work
> bradley right on
> john i'll also note whether the imc looks dead or not....
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