[Imc] Death Threatz

Sat Jun 8 00:52:55 UTC 2002

ah...
i thought maybe you all wrote or hacked the software yourselfs,
didn't realize it was a turnkey thing... what im suggesting is really
as much an experiment/research as it is a solution...
but i imagine people have enough volunteering allready on their plate 
than to worry about writing custom software. (good job btw)

who designs/codes the imc software? is it done collectively by imcstas? 
or purchased collectively?

i agree the standard voting mechanism you see on the web is quite
skewed... implemented correctly and under certain constraints it could
be very useful... for instance this sort of listserv discussion also 
contains a classification and a voting on action to take...

anyway, if the imc is ever interested in exploring such avenues, id
be interested in the discussion.
    -john

Mike Lehman spoke:
> 
> John,
> I covered some of this in detail in my reply to Josh's post. Otherwise,
> I believe that the new Dada software has an option for rating stories. I
> don't know whether the Tech group has decided to enable that or not.
> Rating stories oftentimes can be particularly skewed, unless a large
> enough number of people participate. Clearcut violations of our website
> use policy would still have to be taken care of manually in many cases.
> Mike Lehman
> 
> John Martirano wrote:
> > 
> > since the whole idea is for it to be community created, maybe
> > community management would be a good idea...  people could vote
> > a post into a "censored" category, which you could still view,
> > but would come wiht a disclaimer that the content contained is
> > considered to be obscene, etc... (a physically separate newswire)
> > 
> > an easier idea is to use this voting mechanism to merely
> > place the offending post on a list that some newswire editor will
> > later evaluate
> > 
> > to get further far out... ive done soem work with automatic
> > text document clustering... it should be possible with enough
> > examples (ie is this happening to every imc) to predict what
> > is hatemail...
> > 
> > again this technology could be used to place possible offensive
> > posts in a list to be later evaluated... or for that matter, just
> > looking for some key words or keyword combos could be somewhat
> > effective...
> > 
> > actually the list-to-be-evaluated could be an accessible category
> > that has to be voted back into the newswire!  again community
> > evaluation is key.
> > 
> > i realize these ideas are not short-term solutions... but
> > neither is the existence of such attitudes.
> > 
> >         -john
> > 
> > Josh Michaels spoke:
> > >
> > > It seems that lately we've seen a lot of rather hateful and
> > > obscene postings to the newswire. I find it interesting that
> > > the tech group acts as the editor of the newswire, rather
> > > than a group of editors focused on keeping the newswire clean
> > > and credible. Has anyone ever considered creating a group
> > > specifically to act as editors of the newswire? We shouldn't
> > > have to wait until someone complains to take hate speech off
> > > of the wire...
> > >
> > > -josh
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 01:17:38PM -0500, Paul Riismandel wrote:
> > > > Mike,
> > > >
> > > > I have a hard time seeing anything being expressed except simpleton vitriol
> > > > and hate.  There is no reason or rationale expressed, just hate.  So, I
> > > > support it being hidden, since posts like this only create a hostile
> > > > atmosophere where no remotely civil or reasonable debate or dialogue can
> > > > happen.
> > > >
> > > > It's too bad that our website is being seen by some as an opportunity for
> > > > simplistic expressions of ethnic hatred.
> > > >
> > > > --Paul
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Mike Lehman" <rebelmike at earthlink.net>
> > > > To: "imc" <imc at lists.groogroo.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 1:05 PM
> > > > Subject: [Imc] Death Threatz
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I am going to hide this story:
> > > > > <http://www.ucimc.org/front.php3?article_id=5859&group=webcast>
> > > > >
> > > > > While we attempt to balance between any actual expressive content in
> > > > > such a post, the fact that it this post seems to be nothing but a
> > > > > vehicle for the expressed threats against a group, in accordance with
> > > > > UCIMC policy:
> > > > >
> > > > > Threats and Intimidation:-The IMC newswire is not intended to be a forum
> > > > > for primarily publicizing hate nor for making direct threats against
> > > > > individuals, groups or classes of people. The IMC recognizes that such
> > > > > speech can be harmful in and of itself and may create at atmosphere in
> > > > > which physical action becomes more likely. In any post under
> > > > > consideration the threatening speech should be weighed against other
> > > > > ideas or expression in the post. If the majority of the post nonetheless
> > > > > is intended to contribute to discourse or debate, then the issue of
> > > > > hiding it should be considered very carefully.
> > > > >
> > > > > You may read the entire UCIMC Website Use Policy at:
> > > > > <http://www.ucimc.org/website_policy.php3>
> > > > >
> > > > > Discussion on Sunday, as needed.
> > > > > Mike Lehman
> > > > >
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