[OccupyCU] Jesse Francis presentation

Wed Nov 14 20:25:28 UTC 2012

Sarah, I wasn't criticizing Scott for speaking out against it. That of course depends on what your definition of "it" is. If "it" is the wholesale condemnation of ocCUpy, then yes indeed, I was criticizing him for it. If you agree ocCUpy is an anti-semitic group, then I'll be quite vocal in disagreeing with you as well.
Speaking for myself, I wasn't aware that the 911 truth movement was anti-semitic. I personally just think they're a bit bonkers and am really unwilling to engage in that arena. "Proto-fascist, anti-semitic organization's presence at the local Occupy"?
Let's get a few things straight. Jesse is one person.  He's not an organization. The people who were at the meeting Monday night know this. He presented some things to us and nothing really came of it. I don't recall him every saying anything anti-semitic at the meeting (I could be wrong.  Someone feel free to correct me if I am.).
I see a number of things on this listserv that I don't necessarily argee with. I don't have a response to all of them. Sometimes I just shake my head and realize that sometimes the lunacy isn't just on the outside.
Chris Goodrow

(217) 898-5039

Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:57:52 -0600
Subject: Re: [OccupyCU] Jesse Francis presentation
From: sarah.lazare at gmail.com
To: c_goodrow at hotmail.com
CC: scttkmbll at gmail.com; stephenf1113 at yahoo.com; occupycu at lists.chambana.net

Hi All,
If someone sends out something anti-semitic to an organizing listserv or brings anti-semitic messages into an organizing space, silence is complicity. If an organization tolerates racism, sexism, or any other form of bigotry, then that organization is responsible. At the very least, I would hope that if someone says something anti-semitic they would get push-back. I am very concerned that the only response I've seen to a proto-fascist, anti-semitic organization's presence at the local Occupy has been to criticize someone for speaking out against it. Have there been other responses that haven't been aired in this public online forum?

Sarah
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Chris Goodrow <c_goodrow at hotmail.com> wrote:

In all fairness, Scott, you're doing something similar that a number have people have done in regard to Occupy around the nation since it began.  You're taking one instance of what one person says and placing it all on the group. When one person shit on a police car, guess what?  That must mean that we're all dirty drugging hippies shitting on cars. So, rather than shit on ocCUpy, perhaps your issue should be with the one person you're taking issue with.

I personally agree that we shouldn't be getting into the 911 truth conspiracy theories and it would only serve to discredit us further.  Of course, that is just me speaking as one person and not ocCUpy as a whole.

Chris Goodrow

(217) 898-5039

Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 11:51:58 -0600
From: scttkmbll at gmail.com

To: stephenf1113 at yahoo.com
CC: OccupyCU at lists.chambana.net
Subject: Re: [OccupyCU] Jesse Francis presentation

More from the website:
"The Nazi's caused the death of 100's of thousands, not millions, and not in gas chambers.  Jews have used this ploy too long and at the expense of the lives of millions of Palestinians."

"The Jews were a small minority of the 60 million killed in WWII. The gas chamber stories are grossly overblown."

Who are "the Jews". Sounds like some "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" nonsense. This is just a rehashing of the "international jewry" nonsense that Nazis have been spouting for years. If you were honestly anti-zionist and not anti-semitic, you would be well advised to not refer to the state of Isreal as "the jews".

Don't conflate your anti-semitism with anti-zionism. 

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com> wrote:

NewsFollowUp.com is very anti-Zionist because of the mountain of evidence to Zionist involvement in 9/11.  NewsFollowUp.com is NOT anti semitic.  There is a massive anti Zionist movement in Israel that deserves to be supported.  There is a huge difference between anti-semitism and anti-Zionism.

I'm very interested in the outcome of this discussion within the OccupyCU group because it gets to the bare bones issues of income inequality, privacy, media ownership, civil rights...on and on.  If there is a consensus that agrees with Scott Kimball, I will gladly leave the group.

Thank you,Steve Francis

     From: Scott Kimball <scttkmbll at gmail.com>

 To: Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com> 
Cc: "OccupyCU at lists.chambana.net" <OccupyCU at lists.chambana.net> 

 Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 10:46 AM
 Subject: Re: [OccupyCU] Jesse Francis presentation

Are you kidding me? 
Everyone here should be aware of the fact that the "9-11 truth movement" is highly anti-semitic and connected to neo-fascist groups. If anyone bothered to go on the website, they would see this link:

http://www.newsfollowup.com/Israel.htm
Which boldly proclaims that "The holocaust is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on mankind". I found this after about 2 minutes on the website. Trust me, it only gets worse from there. For those of you who were previously unaware, now you know. For everyone else, shame on you!

In addition, why would you support this absurd discourse? There are real problems that we need to organize around and you are spending your time your time postulating conspiracy theories.

Shame on you OccupyCU.
Unless someone has a reasonable response as to why this poison is being brought into this community, I'd like to be removed from the listserv. I don't want to be associated with anti-semitic groups and, I'm sure, many of you do not as well. 

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 3:22 AM, Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Hello all,
Just wanted to clarify my presentation from Monday night at the OccupyCU meeting.I think I failed to emphasize the overall impression that I wanted to make, which is that I'm proposing and what all ready exists now on the internet is a 9/11 Truth Video Conference.

I'm proposing this as an activity for the group that would not compete with other activities, all in our effort to define our
 purpose and identify activities that we all agree on that would be worthwhile to energize the group.It is also an effort to promote video conferencing as a tool or skill that we can use with all our activities locally.

Because of the volume of traffic of NewsFollowUp.com, there are about 30,000 'impressions' of an advertisement for the 9/11 Truth Video Conference (held in CU) per month and about 200 'clicks' per month to the advertisement and the page that provides all the information about the conference.  Because of the scope of NewsFollowUp, these clicks are going to mostly a national but also an international audience, which doesn't help the effort locally, but is good for finding 'high profile activists' on a national basis that would want to give a video presentation at the
 video conference.  I'm sure there are people locally that could make presentations also.I don't think this amount of 'clicks' is nearly enough to get the word out so I'm soliciting for help and need suggestions on how to increase the reach of the advertisements.  Thus I will be taking my presentation to other groups in town.

Anyway, I hope this is helpful.
ThanksSteve Francis

http://www.newsfollowup.com/

http://www.newsfollowup.com/midwest_911_truth_conference_champaign-urbana_september_2013_newsfollowup.htm

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