[OccupyCU] Jesse Francis presentation

Wed Nov 14 20:28:18 UTC 2012

Chris,

As Sarah said, silence is complicity.

First they came for the communists <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist>,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist>,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade
unionists<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_unionist>
,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Sarah Lazare <sarah.lazare at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> If someone sends out something anti-semitic to an organizing listserv or
> brings anti-semitic messages into an organizing space, silence is
> complicity. If an organization tolerates racism, sexism, or any other form
> of bigotry, then that organization is responsible. At the very least, I
> would hope that if someone says something anti-semitic they would get
> push-back. I am very concerned that the only response I've seen to a
> proto-fascist, anti-semitic organization's presence at the local Occupy has
> been to criticize someone for speaking out against it. Have there been
> other responses that haven't been aired in this public online forum?
>
> Sarah
>
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Chris Goodrow <c_goodrow at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>> In all fairness, Scott, you're doing something similar that a number have
>> people have done in regard to Occupy around the nation since it began.
>>  You're taking one instance of what one person says and placing it all on
>> the group. When one person shit on a police car, guess what?  That must
>> mean that we're all dirty drugging hippies shitting on cars. So, rather
>> than shit on ocCUpy, perhaps your issue should be with the one person
>> you're taking issue with.
>>
>> I personally agree that we shouldn't be getting into the 911 truth
>> conspiracy theories and it would only serve to discredit us further.  Of
>> course, that is just me speaking as one person and not ocCUpy as a whole.
>>
>> Chris Goodrow
>> (217) 898-5039
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 11:51:58 -0600
>> From: scttkmbll at gmail.com
>> To: stephenf1113 at yahoo.com
>> CC: OccupyCU at lists.chambana.net
>>
>> Subject: Re: [OccupyCU] Jesse Francis presentation
>>
>> More from the website:
>>
>> "The Nazi's caused the death of 100's of thousands, not millions, and not
>> in gas chambers.  Jews have used this ploy too long and at the expense of
>> the lives of millions of Palestinians."
>>
>> "The Jews were a small minority of the 60 million killed in WWII. The
>> gas chamber stories are grossly overblown."
>>
>> Who are "the Jews". Sounds like some "Protocols of the Elders of Zion"
>> nonsense. This is just a rehashing of the "international jewry" nonsense
>> that Nazis have been spouting for years. If you were honestly anti-zionist
>> and not anti-semitic, you would be well advised to not *refer to the
>> state of Isreal as "the jews"*.
>>
>> Don't conflate your anti-semitism with anti-zionism.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>> NewsFollowUp.com is very anti-Zionist because of the mountain of evidence
>> to Zionist involvement in 9/11.  NewsFollowUp.com is NOT anti semitic.
>>  There is a massive anti Zionist movement in Israel that deserves to be
>> supported.  There is a huge difference between anti-semitism and
>> anti-Zionism.
>> I'm very interested in the outcome of this discussion within the OccupyCU
>> group because it gets to the bare bones issues of income inequality,
>> privacy, media ownership, civil rights...on and on.  If there is a
>> consensus that agrees with Scott Kimball, I will gladly leave the group.
>> Thank you,
>> Steve Francis
>>
>>    ------------------------------
>> *From:* Scott Kimball <scttkmbll at gmail.com>
>> *To:* Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com>
>> *Cc:* "OccupyCU at lists.chambana.net" <OccupyCU at lists.chambana.net>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 14, 2012 10:46 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [OccupyCU] Jesse Francis presentation
>>
>> Are you kidding me?
>>
>> Everyone here should be aware of the fact that the "9-11 truth movement"
>> is highly anti-semitic and connected to neo-fascist groups. If anyone
>> bothered to go on the website, they would see this link:
>>
>> http://www.newsfollowup.com/Israel.htm
>>
>> Which boldly proclaims that "The holocaust is the greatest hoax ever
>> perpetrated on mankind". I found this after about 2 minutes on the website.
>> Trust me, it only gets worse from there. For those of you who were
>> previously unaware, now you know. For everyone else, shame on you!
>>
>> In addition, why would you support this absurd discourse? There are real
>> problems that we need to organize around and you are spending your time
>> your time postulating conspiracy theories.
>>
>> Shame on you OccupyCU.
>>
>> Unless someone has a reasonable response as to why this poison is being
>> brought into this community, I'd like to be removed from the listserv. I
>> don't want to be associated with anti-semitic groups and, I'm sure, many of
>> you do not as well.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 3:22 AM, Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>> Just wanted to clarify my presentation from Monday night at the OccupyCU
>> meeting.
>> I think I failed to emphasize the overall impression that I wanted to
>> make, which is that I'm proposing and what all ready exists now on the
>> internet is a 9/11 Truth Video Conference.
>> I'm proposing this as an activity for the group that would not compete
>> with other activities, all in our effort to define our purpose and identify
>> activities that we all agree on that would be worthwhile to energize the
>> group.
>> It is also an effort to promote video conferencing as a tool or skill
>> that we can use with all our activities locally.
>> Because of the volume of traffic of NewsFollowUp.com<http://newsfollowup.com/>,
>> there are about 30,000 'impressions' of an advertisement for the 9/11 Truth
>> Video Conference (held in CU) per month and about 200 'clicks' per month to
>> the advertisement and the page that provides all the information about the
>> conference.  Because of the scope of NewsFollowUp, these clicks are going
>> to mostly a national but also an international audience, which doesn't help
>> the effort locally, but is good for finding 'high profile activists' on a
>> national basis that would want to give a video presentation at the video
>> conference.  I'm sure there are people locally that could make
>> presentations also.
>> I don't think this amount of 'clicks' is nearly enough to get the word
>> out so I'm soliciting for help and need suggestions on how to increase the
>> reach of the advertisements.  Thus I will be taking my presentation to
>> other groups in town.
>> Anyway, I hope this is helpful.
>> Thanks
>> Steve Francis
>>
>> http://www.newsfollowup.com/
>>
>> http://www.newsfollowup.com/midwest_911_truth_conference_champaign-urbana_september_2013_newsfollowup.htm
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Scott Kimball
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>> Higher Education Project
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Scott Kimball
Project Organizer
American Federation of Teachers
Higher Education Project
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