[OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] They let us choose between a child-killer and a job-killer

[Stuart Levy]

This is depressing.   I'm sorry, Rachel!   I've turned off your mail 
from the occupyCU list, though you can still post to it.

Maybe we can talk about communications at tonight's meeting.




On 10/29/12 5:05 PM, Rachel Storm wrote:
> *I want off of this list*. If there is someone else organizing for 
> Occupy, I'd like to be a part of it. But these emails are atrocious 
> and they are the only ones coming from the list these days. I don't 
> think I can justify any longer staying on a list that is dominated by 
> trolling without anyone stepping in or moderating--"the world we want 
> is the world we need." I don't want to be a part of such a 
> dis-organized space and have remained here only because I want news 
> about Occupy, dialogue/imagination, and a way to communicate with 
> others who want to organize against capitalism and f'ed up dynamics of 
> power (racism, sexism, homophobia, classism, ableism, etc.) 
> Unfortunately, at this point, this list doesn't seem like a radical 
> space at all.
>
> * Can someone remove me?*
> *
> *
> *
> *
>
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 3:52 PM, C. G. Estabrook 
> <carl at newsfromneptune.com <mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com>> wrote:
>
>     You'd have to have some sort of excuse for voting for a child
>     killer. ("I had to kill this kid, or someone would have done
>     something bad to me...")
>
>
>     On Oct 29, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Ricky Baldwin <rbaldwin at seiu73.org
>     <mailto:rbaldwin at seiu73.org>> wrote:
>
>     > I agree with this much:
>     >
>     > "In Illinois, the Green party's candidate, Jill Stein, is on the
>     ballot, and one could write-in Rocky Anderson (Justice party),
>     who's been impressive in the third-party debates.
>     >
>     > The third-party vote in Illinois will probably make more of an
>     impression than abstention."
>     >
>     > But I think it's worth specifically pointing out that voting
>     strategically or pragmatically (some might say "intelligently")
>     does not somehow "corrupt" a person.  People may vote in relative
>     ignorance or fear, and either of those things could have a
>     negative impact on his or her mental health and/or effectiveness
>     as a human being ad member of society, but of course neither one
>     of those things is anything new in human history.  I also think
>     the effect is pretty minor if we're talking about voting, as
>     opposed to the things people may do out of fear and/or ignorance
>     in many parts of the world and in history in order to survive, to
>     get a job, to eat, to protect their families and communities, etc.
>     >
>     > --- In case anyone doesn't mind my 2c... But I suppose the
>     short-term effect is the same as the above, at least in the case
>     of that presidential elections, which is the vote that has the
>     least impact.
>     >
>     > Ricky
>     > ________________________________________
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>     <mailto:occupycu-bounces at lists.chambana.net>] On Behalf Of C. G.
>     Estabrook [cge at shout.net <mailto:cge at shout.net>]
>     > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 10:18 AM
>     > To: peace-discuss at anti-war.net <mailto:peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
>     > Cc: sf-core; occupycu
>     > Subject: [OccupyCU] They let us choose between a child-killer
>     and a     job-killer
>     >
>     > ...and we're corrupted by voting for either.
>     >
>     > In Illinois, the Green party's candidate, Jill Stein, is on the
>     ballot, and one could write-in Rocky Anderson (Justice party),
>     who's been impressive in the third-party debates.
>     >
>     > The third-party vote in Illinois will probably make more of an
>     impression than abstention.
>     >
>     >
>     >
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