[Peace-discuss] [Peace] Adolph Reed says:

[David Green]

Neoliberal anarchism. You can read it on their website. Masquerading as
"community".

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020, 5:09 PM Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I know, I understand. What is their stated view on the family?
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> On Jul 27, 2020, at 15:01, David Green <davidgreen50 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Reed speaks to a broad audience, admittedly intellectual, but like Chomsky
> also to labor leaders.
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> In any event, I'm cutting BLM no slack. It's analysis is preposterous,
> with no material component whatsoever. It's stated view on the family is
> disgusting.
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> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020, 3:42 PM Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:
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>> David
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>> I understand what you and Adolph Reed are saying, and it should be noted,
>> Adolphe Reed is African American and likely targets African Americans when
>> speaking.
>>
>> Let me now express my simple interpretation and opinion:
>>
>> While we may not support the organization BLM given we know they are
>> funded by the DNC and Soros as they support neoliberalism, and their
>> criticism of Bernie for his stand on decommodification of education, etc.
>> was counterproductive to helping African Americans, as well as working
>> class white Americans, nonetheless I don’t propose opposing them.
>>
>> Many of the people protesting BLM are not part of or members of the BLM
>> organization, they are simply people opposing racism against African
>> Americans, nothing wrong with that. Yes, when it first began those of us
>> opposing our many wars in the Middle East, and the massacre of millions of
>> Muslims, cried out “all lives matter,” meaning “what about the millions we
>> are killing now elsewhere in the world who are also not white?”
>>
>> Today by saying “Black Lives Matter,” it is now inclusive of indigenous
>> peoples everywhere, as opposed to just white lives mattering.
>>
>> You are absolutely correct the many problems are a class issue, not a
>> race issue, and by making it just about race, not to negate African
>> Americans have been targeted and suffer worse due to conditions of poverty
>> and racist policy’s,  continues to create division between the masses and
>> becomes counterproductive as it ignores the cause, thus preventing
>> solutions.
>>
>> Promoting people of color to positions of power initially was thought to
>> be progressive, and it was as it provided opportunity to many, but not
>> enough, certainly not all, and it supports the power of the ruling class
>> providing them with tokens of diversity, as we know, power and money
>> corrupts.
>>
>> One would think the Obama presidency with his failure to address the ills
>> of African Americans, and working class, his expansion of the Bush wars
>> from two to eight, bail out of the banks and wall street, as well as the
>> implementation of the NDAA which now legitimizes the Trump administration
>> bringing federal troops into cities across the nation to kidnap,
>> incarcerate or just terrorize protestors, would make it clear neither Party
>> has concern for the lives of working class Americans.
>>
>> The lives of the majority of working class Americans, whatever their
>> race, continue to deteriorate as we fight among ourselves. Therefore we
>> must keep our focus at all times on our system of capitalism as the culprit
>> in need of change.
>>
>> On Jul 26, 2020, at 19:58, David Green via Peace <
>> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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>> Police violence correlates more with class than race. BLM is in support
>> of Democrats, who are equally if not more responsible for neoliberalism and
>> accompanying state violence. Trump is used to justify BLM supported
>> destruction in working class urban communities. We should oppose Trump and
>> BLM.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2020, 9:52 PM John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 9:40 PM David Green <davidgreen50 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
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>>> Corporate and foundation funded anti-racism, including BLM, is a
>>>> bourgeois neoliberal project of the professional-managetial class,
>>>> including POC. It is fundamentally antagonistic to the working class. Thus,
>>>> we should oppose BLM, which I do.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Ah.  So boiled down to its essence and attempting to put matters into
>>> plain English, demanding that the police treat Black people the same way
>>> they treat white people, and quit murdering unarmed Black people wantonly,
>>> is somehow antagonistic to the working class?  Asking for a friend, if I
>>> had one.
>>>
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>>>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2020, 9:32 PM John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't understand a single sentence of that.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 5:10 PM David Green via Peace <
>>>>> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> “Notwithstanding its performative evocations of the 1960s Black Power
>>>>>> populist militancy, this antiracist politics is neither leftist in itself
>>>>>> nor particularly compatible with a left politics as conventionally
>>>>>> understood. At this political juncture, it is, like bourgeois feminism and
>>>>>> other groupist tendencies, an oppositional epicycle within hegemonic
>>>>>> neoliberalism, one might say a component of neoliberalism’s critical
>>>>>> self-consciousness; it is thus in fact fundamentally *anti-leftist.*
>>>>>> Black political elites’ attacks on the Bernie Sanders 2016 presidential
>>>>>> nomination campaign’s call for decommodified public higher education as
>>>>>> frivolous, irresponsible, or even un-American underscores how deeply
>>>>>> embedded this politics is within neoliberalism.”
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