[Peace-discuss] [Peace] Adolph Reed says:

[Robert Naiman]

This is a misleading citation of Adolph Reed. He wrote these words in May
2018.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10624-017-9476-3





On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 6:13 PM David Green via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> Neoliberal anarchism. You can read it on their website. Masquerading as
> "community".
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020, 5:09 PM Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I know, I understand. What is their stated view on the family?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 27, 2020, at 15:01, David Green <davidgreen50 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Reed speaks to a broad audience, admittedly intellectual, but like
>> Chomsky also to labor leaders.
>>
>> In any event, I'm cutting BLM no slack. It's analysis is preposterous,
>> with no material component whatsoever. It's stated view on the family is
>> disgusting.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020, 3:42 PM Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> I understand what you and Adolph Reed are saying, and it should be
>>> noted, Adolphe Reed is African American and likely targets African
>>> Americans when speaking.
>>>
>>> Let me now express my simple interpretation and opinion:
>>>
>>> While we may not support the organization BLM given we know they are
>>> funded by the DNC and Soros as they support neoliberalism, and their
>>> criticism of Bernie for his stand on decommodification of education, etc.
>>> was counterproductive to helping African Americans, as well as working
>>> class white Americans, nonetheless I don’t propose opposing them.
>>>
>>> Many of the people protesting BLM are not part of or members of the BLM
>>> organization, they are simply people opposing racism against African
>>> Americans, nothing wrong with that. Yes, when it first began those of us
>>> opposing our many wars in the Middle East, and the massacre of millions of
>>> Muslims, cried out “all lives matter,” meaning “what about the millions we
>>> are killing now elsewhere in the world who are also not white?”
>>>
>>> Today by saying “Black Lives Matter,” it is now inclusive of indigenous
>>> peoples everywhere, as opposed to just white lives mattering.
>>>
>>> You are absolutely correct the many problems are a class issue, not a
>>> race issue, and by making it just about race, not to negate African
>>> Americans have been targeted and suffer worse due to conditions of poverty
>>> and racist policy’s,  continues to create division between the masses and
>>> becomes counterproductive as it ignores the cause, thus preventing
>>> solutions.
>>>
>>> Promoting people of color to positions of power initially was thought to
>>> be progressive, and it was as it provided opportunity to many, but not
>>> enough, certainly not all, and it supports the power of the ruling class
>>> providing them with tokens of diversity, as we know, power and money
>>> corrupts.
>>>
>>> One would think the Obama presidency with his failure to address the
>>> ills of African Americans, and working class, his expansion of the Bush
>>> wars from two to eight, bail out of the banks and wall street, as well as
>>> the implementation of the NDAA which now legitimizes the Trump
>>> administration bringing federal troops into cities across the nation to
>>> kidnap, incarcerate or just terrorize protestors, would make it clear
>>> neither Party has concern for the lives of working class Americans.
>>>
>>> The lives of the majority of working class Americans, whatever their
>>> race, continue to deteriorate as we fight among ourselves. Therefore we
>>> must keep our focus at all times on our system of capitalism as the culprit
>>> in need of change.
>>>
>>> On Jul 26, 2020, at 19:58, David Green via Peace <
>>> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Police violence correlates more with class than race. BLM is in support
>>> of Democrats, who are equally if not more responsible for neoliberalism and
>>> accompanying state violence. Trump is used to justify BLM supported
>>> destruction in working class urban communities. We should oppose Trump and
>>> BLM.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2020, 9:52 PM John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 9:40 PM David Green <davidgreen50 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Corporate and foundation funded anti-racism, including BLM, is a
>>>>> bourgeois neoliberal project of the professional-managetial class,
>>>>> including POC. It is fundamentally antagonistic to the working class. Thus,
>>>>> we should oppose BLM, which I do.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ah.  So boiled down to its essence and attempting to put matters into
>>>> plain English, demanding that the police treat Black people the same way
>>>> they treat white people, and quit murdering unarmed Black people wantonly,
>>>> is somehow antagonistic to the working class?  Asking for a friend, if I
>>>> had one.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2020, 9:32 PM John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't understand a single sentence of that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 5:10 PM David Green via Peace <
>>>>>> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “Notwithstanding its performative evocations of the 1960s Black Power
>>>>>>> populist militancy, this antiracist politics is neither leftist in itself
>>>>>>> nor particularly compatible with a left politics as conventionally
>>>>>>> understood. At this political juncture, it is, like bourgeois feminism and
>>>>>>> other groupist tendencies, an oppositional epicycle within hegemonic
>>>>>>> neoliberalism, one might say a component of neoliberalism’s critical
>>>>>>> self-consciousness; it is thus in fact fundamentally *anti-leftist.*
>>>>>>> Black political elites’ attacks on the Bernie Sanders 2016 presidential
>>>>>>> nomination campaign’s call for decommodified public higher education as
>>>>>>> frivolous, irresponsible, or even un-American underscores how deeply
>>>>>>> embedded this politics is within neoliberalism.”
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