[Peace-discuss] newleftreview: watkins-an-avoidable-war

[Robert Naiman]

In one case - Yemen - we have a very plausible story that we can succeed in
this right now.

In the other case - Ukraine - there is zero probability that we can succeed
in this right now.

Where should we put our focus?


On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 11:38 AM C. G. Estabrook <carl at newsfromneptune.com>
wrote:

> The US government is providing arms and materiel to combatants in Ukraine
> and Yemen.
>
> We should insist that it stop doing so. —CGE
>
>
> > On Apr 14, 2022, at 10:09 AM, Robert Naiman <naiman.uiuc at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 2:44 AM C. G. Estabrook <
> carl at newsfromneptune.com> wrote:
> > Watkins’ account of the analyses and plans of the actual combatants -
> the US and Russia - can help to chart a way out of the quagmire.
> >
> > Instead of providing more weapons or - even worse - a no-fly zone, the
> US must insist Ukraine accept Putin’s terms for a cease-fire.
> >
> > The probability of a "no-fly zone" is zero.
> >
> > "the US must insist Ukraine accept Putin’s terms for a cease-fire" -
> regardless of whether this would be a moral course of action, the
> probability of this happening is zero.
> >
> > But Washington seems criminally willing to fight to the last Ukrainian
> to produce maximum damage to Russia and Putin.
> >
> > The Ukrainians and the East Europeans are way more adamant about this
> than Biden is. That's a key reason that the "theory of change" presented
> here makes no sense. Biden is not pushing Ukraine and the East Europeans to
> be more anti-Putin. It's the other way around. They're pushing Biden to be
> more aggressive. That's a key reason we can't plausibly do anything to stop
> this. Ukraine and the East Europeans are pushing Biden to be more
> aggressive, and CNN is looping Russian atrocities in Ukraine 24/7. We have
> no political juice against this. We have no angle. We have no lever. As Dr.
> Shireen al-Adeimi says, "Yemen is the war we can stop." There's nothing we
> can do now to stop the Russian war on Ukraine. But we can stop the Saudi
> war on Yemen now.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > US citizens must prevent that. —CGE
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 13, 2022, at 8:35 PM, Robert Naiman <naiman.uiuc at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Of course it was an avoidable war. But how is this knowledge helping
> us "repair the world" now?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 8:07 PM C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > >
> https://newleftreview.org/issues/ii133/articles/susan-watkins-an-avoidable-war
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