[Peace-discuss] Fw: UIUC’s Francis Boyle is interviewed on “Democracy Now!” Tuesday, 2 January, 2024

Thu Jan 4 15:34:58 UTC 2024

Hi Roger, You seem to have cut off the information about the source of this
article you shared. / Is it from the Jewish News Syndicate?

The article repeats that Oct 7 was an attempt at genocide. Even if the
actions on the one day of October 7, 2013 was an *attempt* by Hamas to
commit genocide against the Jewish nation of Israel, Hamas could not.
Hamas' resources are miniscule in comparison to Israel's weapons, power (to
cut off water, power, and communication), resources, and support from the
United States.

The government of Israel should know better than to commit genocide, and it
is beyond any doubt, the goverment is committing genocide as fast as it
can. [Israel has been committing

Israel by murdering Gazans; permanently displacing 80% of the population;
destroying homes, roads, hospitals, and infrastructure; and denying
humanitarian aid is not convincing the Gazans to love the Jewish Nation of
Israel.  Perhaps they should rethink their tactics.

Best,
Karen Medina

On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 1:03 PM Roger Helbig via Peace-discuss <
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> For someone who has been pushing the lies began by Saddam Hussein about
> depleted uranium, I am not surprised he is supporting this
>
> ‘Calculated Risk’: Israel to Fight South Africa’s Genocide ‘Blood Libel’
> at The Hague
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> soldiers by the Gaza border on Dec. 29, 2023.
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> (TPS) Israeli representatives will appear before the International Court
> of Justice in The Hague next week to challenge South Africa’s “blood libel”
> accusing the Jewish state of committing genocide against Gazans in Gaza, a
> government spokesman said on Tuesday.
>
> The top-level government decision to enter a legal defense in the case,
> which South Africa launched last week, is designed to avert an interim
> order by the court calling on Israel to halt its offense against the Hamas
> terrorist organization.
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> “In giving political and legal cover to the October 7 massacre and the
> Hamas human-shield strategy, South Africa has made itself criminally
> complicit with Hamas’s campaign of genocide against our people,” Israeli
> government spokesman Eylon Levy said.
>
> Around 1,200 persons, mostly civilians, were murdered when thousands of
> Hamas terrorists stormed through the border, while another approximately
> 240 were abducted to Gaza.
>
> Levy said that the State of Israel will appear at The Hague to “dispel
> South Africa’s absurd blood libel.” He accused Pretoria of “fighting
> pro-bono for anti-Jewish racists.”
>
> “We have no doubt that after the Jewish state brings to justice the
> perpetrators of the bloodiest massacre of Jews since the Holocaust, history
> will judge South Africa for abetting the modern heirs of the Nazis,” he
> said. “We assure South Africa’s leaders: History will judge you, and it
> will judge you without mercy.”
>
> South Africa has asked the International Court of Justice to issue an
> interim order for Israel to immediately suspend its military operations in
> the Gaza Strip.
>
> A hearing on that request is expected to get underway next Thursday. The
> case will take years, but an interim order could be issued within weeks.
>
> A Calculated Risk
> Israeli legal experts said Tuesday that Jerusalem is taking a “calculated
> risk” in going to the court.
>
> “At the end of the day, this is a political, anti-Israel court, so it is
> unclear what their ruling will be,” said Nitsana Darshan-Leitner, an
> Israeli attorney, founder of Shurat HaDin—Israeli Law Center, who has
> represented hundreds of victims in legal actions against terrorist
> organizations and their supporters.
>
> She said that Israel was counting on the “sane countries” of the world for
> support in the public debate.
>
> “There is a good chance that there will be a hostile decision against
> Israel,” said Avraham Russel Shalev, a lawyer at the Kohelet Policy Forum.
>
> He said that the battle in the court was not so much a legal threat as a
> diplomatic and PR challenge. “The point of attending is not so much for
> Israel to bring its case to the International Court of Justice but to the
> court of public opinion,” he said.
>
> Shalev noted that the court has issued decisions against the U.S., the
> U.K., Russia and Israel in the past that were all ignored, including a
> ruling against the security barrier during an earlier round of Palestinian
> terrorism two decades ago.
>
> Pretoria, which has close ties with Hamas, has been a fierce critic of
> Israel’s military campaign in Gaza.
>
> South Africa is bringing the case to The Hague under the U.N.’s 1948
> Genocide Convention because both it and Israel are signatories to it.
>
> “South Africa is cynically using the convention adopted after the
> Holocaust against the very Jewish State that is protecting itself against
> Hamas perpetrators of genocide after the single largest attack on Jews
> since the Holocaust,” Shalev said.
>
> On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 7:17 AM moboct1--- via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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>> Karen:  Thanks for this.  Democracy Now has the best coverage of the
>> Israel war on Palestine every night on the 'Net!  It was a great interview
>> with Francis Boyle.  I watch it every night from 8-9 pm on Eastern Illinois
>> University's PBS First Nation Experience Channel 51.2 rebroadcast of the
>> 7:00 show because I can't receive WILL where I live in Savoy.  I only wish
>>  Karen Aram were here to have seen it!  R.I.P.
>> ----- Forwarded Message ---I--
>> *From:* Karen Medina via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>> *To:* Peace List <peace at lists.chambana.net>; Peace-discuss List <
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>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 05:30:09 PM CST
>> *Subject:* [Peace-discuss] UIUC’s Francis Boyle is interviewed on
>> “Democracy Now!” Tuesday, 2 January, 2024
>>
>> Dear Peace Discuss,
>> [Check out UIUC’s Francis Boyle is interviewed on “Democracy Now!”
>> Tuesday, 2 January, 2024. -Karen Medina]
>>
>> Democracy Now! title of interview: “South Africa Files Genocide Case
>> Against Israel at International Court of Justice”
>> Link to the audio and the written transcript:
>> https://www.democracynow.org/2024/1/2/south_africa_israel_genocide_icj
>>
>>
>> Basic notes from the interview:
>> * ’South Africa has filed a case at the main judicial body for the United
>> Nations, the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in The Hague, accusing
>> Israel of committing genocide in Gaza.
>> * PRESIDENT CYRIL RAMAPHOSA: The collective punishment of Palestinian
>> civilians through the unlawful use of force by Israel is a war crime. The
>> deliberate denial of medicine, fuel, food and water to the residents of
>> Gaza is tantamount to genocide.
>> * Boyle believes South Africa will win an order against Israel to cease
>> and desist from committing all acts of genocide against the Palestinians
>>
>> * Why South Africa? > there is a direct comparison between the Israeli
>> apartheid system on all the Palestinians
>> * Why the International Court on Justice (ICJ)? > Orders of the ICJ can
>> do a lot.
>> * Examples of past successes through ICJ: stopping the genocide of Bosnia
>> (and Herzegovina) by Yugoslavia
>> * “We here in the United States of America have the power to stop this”
>> [genocide]. Israel has a history of listening to the United States’ orders
>> to stop its assaults on the Occupied Palestinian Territories.
>> * Other examples: To stop U.S. President Reagan’s war against Nicaragua
>>
>> Who: Francis A. Boyle, a human rights lawyer, professor of international
>> law at the University of Illinois College of Law. His books include: * “The
>> Bosnian People Charge Genocide” (1994) Aletheia Press,
>> * “Palestine, Palestinians, and International Law” (2003) Clarity Press,
>> * as well as “World Politics, Human Rights, and International Law” (2021)
>> Lexington Books.
>> [To see the 19 book titles, see his list of publications:
>> https://experts.illinois.edu/en/persons/francis-a-boyle/publications/ ]
>> * from his College of Law bio: “Over his career, Francis Boyle has
>> represented national and international bodies including the Blackfoot
>> Nation (Canada), the Nation of Hawaii, and the Lakota Nation, as well as
>> numerous individual death penalty and human rights cases. He has advised
>> numerous international bodies in the areas of human rights, war crimes and
>> genocide, nuclear policy, and bio-warfare. From 1991 to 1992, Boyle served
>> as Legal Advisor to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace
>> Negotiations.”
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