[Peace-discuss] Fw: UIUC’s Francis Boyle is interviewed on “Democracy Now!” Tuesday, 2 January, 2024

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Furthermore, even if Hamas were a cross between Genghis Khan and Atila the
Hun, it wouldn't justify Israeli atrocities. That's not how Ethics and
Morality work. "You kill my civilians, I kill your civilians." That's not
Justice.

On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 9:35 AM Karen Medina via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> Hi Roger, You seem to have cut off the information about the source of
> this article you shared. / Is it from the Jewish News Syndicate?
>
> The article repeats that Oct 7 was an attempt at genocide. Even if the
> actions on the one day of October 7, 2013 was an *attempt* by Hamas to
> commit genocide against the Jewish nation of Israel, Hamas could not.
> Hamas' resources are miniscule in comparison to Israel's weapons, power (to
> cut off water, power, and communication), resources, and support from the
> United States.
>
> The government of Israel should know better than to commit genocide, and
> it is beyond any doubt, the goverment is committing genocide as fast as it
> can. [Israel has been committing
>
> Israel by murdering Gazans; permanently displacing 80% of the population;
> destroying homes, roads, hospitals, and infrastructure; and denying
> humanitarian aid is not convincing the Gazans to love the Jewish Nation of
> Israel.  Perhaps they should rethink their tactics.
>
> Best,
> Karen Medina
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 1:03 PM Roger Helbig via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
>> For someone who has been pushing the lies began by Saddam Hussein about
>> depleted uranium, I am not surprised he is supporting this
>>
>> ‘Calculated Risk’: Israel to Fight South Africa’s Genocide ‘Blood Libel’
>> at The Hague
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>>  Etgar Lefkovits <https://www.jewishpress.com/author/etgarlefkovits/>
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>> soldiers by the Gaza border on Dec. 29, 2023.
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>> (TPS) Israeli representatives will appear before the International Court
>> of Justice in The Hague next week to challenge South Africa’s “blood libel”
>> accusing the Jewish state of committing genocide against Gazans in Gaza, a
>> government spokesman said on Tuesday.
>>
>> The top-level government decision to enter a legal defense in the case,
>> which South Africa launched last week, is designed to avert an interim
>> order by the court calling on Israel to halt its offense against the Hamas
>> terrorist organization.
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>> “In giving political and legal cover to the October 7 massacre and the
>> Hamas human-shield strategy, South Africa has made itself criminally
>> complicit with Hamas’s campaign of genocide against our people,” Israeli
>> government spokesman Eylon Levy said.
>>
>> Around 1,200 persons, mostly civilians, were murdered when thousands of
>> Hamas terrorists stormed through the border, while another approximately
>> 240 were abducted to Gaza.
>>
>> Levy said that the State of Israel will appear at The Hague to “dispel
>> South Africa’s absurd blood libel.” He accused Pretoria of “fighting
>> pro-bono for anti-Jewish racists.”
>>
>> “We have no doubt that after the Jewish state brings to justice the
>> perpetrators of the bloodiest massacre of Jews since the Holocaust, history
>> will judge South Africa for abetting the modern heirs of the Nazis,” he
>> said. “We assure South Africa’s leaders: History will judge you, and it
>> will judge you without mercy.”
>>
>> South Africa has asked the International Court of Justice to issue an
>> interim order for Israel to immediately suspend its military operations in
>> the Gaza Strip.
>>
>> A hearing on that request is expected to get underway next Thursday. The
>> case will take years, but an interim order could be issued within weeks.
>>
>> A Calculated Risk
>> Israeli legal experts said Tuesday that Jerusalem is taking a “calculated
>> risk” in going to the court.
>>
>> “At the end of the day, this is a political, anti-Israel court, so it is
>> unclear what their ruling will be,” said Nitsana Darshan-Leitner, an
>> Israeli attorney, founder of Shurat HaDin—Israeli Law Center, who has
>> represented hundreds of victims in legal actions against terrorist
>> organizations and their supporters.
>>
>> She said that Israel was counting on the “sane countries” of the world
>> for support in the public debate.
>>
>> “There is a good chance that there will be a hostile decision against
>> Israel,” said Avraham Russel Shalev, a lawyer at the Kohelet Policy Forum.
>>
>> He said that the battle in the court was not so much a legal threat as a
>> diplomatic and PR challenge. “The point of attending is not so much for
>> Israel to bring its case to the International Court of Justice but to the
>> court of public opinion,” he said.
>>
>> Shalev noted that the court has issued decisions against the U.S., the
>> U.K., Russia and Israel in the past that were all ignored, including a
>> ruling against the security barrier during an earlier round of Palestinian
>> terrorism two decades ago.
>>
>> Pretoria, which has close ties with Hamas, has been a fierce critic of
>> Israel’s military campaign in Gaza.
>>
>> South Africa is bringing the case to The Hague under the U.N.’s 1948
>> Genocide Convention because both it and Israel are signatories to it.
>>
>> “South Africa is cynically using the convention adopted after the
>> Holocaust against the very Jewish State that is protecting itself against
>> Hamas perpetrators of genocide after the single largest attack on Jews
>> since the Holocaust,” Shalev said.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 7:17 AM moboct1--- via Peace-discuss <
>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Karen:  Thanks for this.  Democracy Now has the best coverage of the
>>> Israel war on Palestine every night on the 'Net!  It was a great interview
>>> with Francis Boyle.  I watch it every night from 8-9 pm on Eastern Illinois
>>> University's PBS First Nation Experience Channel 51.2 rebroadcast of the
>>> 7:00 show because I can't receive WILL where I live in Savoy.  I only wish
>>>  Karen Aram were here to have seen it!  R.I.P.
>>> ----- Forwarded Message ---I--
>>> *From:* Karen Medina via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
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>>> “Democracy Now!” Tuesday, 2 January, 2024
>>>
>>> Dear Peace Discuss,
>>> [Check out UIUC’s Francis Boyle is interviewed on “Democracy Now!”
>>> Tuesday, 2 January, 2024. -Karen Medina]
>>>
>>> Democracy Now! title of interview: “South Africa Files Genocide Case
>>> Against Israel at International Court of Justice”
>>> Link to the audio and the written transcript:
>>> https://www.democracynow.org/2024/1/2/south_africa_israel_genocide_icj
>>>
>>>
>>> Basic notes from the interview:
>>> * ’South Africa has filed a case at the main judicial body for the
>>> United Nations, the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in The Hague,
>>> accusing Israel of committing genocide in Gaza.
>>> * PRESIDENT CYRIL RAMAPHOSA: The collective punishment of Palestinian
>>> civilians through the unlawful use of force by Israel is a war crime. The
>>> deliberate denial of medicine, fuel, food and water to the residents of
>>> Gaza is tantamount to genocide.
>>> * Boyle believes South Africa will win an order against Israel to cease
>>> and desist from committing all acts of genocide against the Palestinians
>>>
>>> * Why South Africa? > there is a direct comparison between the Israeli
>>> apartheid system on all the Palestinians
>>> * Why the International Court on Justice (ICJ)? > Orders of the ICJ can
>>> do a lot.
>>> * Examples of past successes through ICJ: stopping the genocide of
>>> Bosnia (and Herzegovina) by Yugoslavia
>>> * “We here in the United States of America have the power to stop this”
>>> [genocide]. Israel has a history of listening to the United States’ orders
>>> to stop its assaults on the Occupied Palestinian Territories.
>>> * Other examples: To stop U.S. President Reagan’s war against Nicaragua
>>>
>>> Who: Francis A. Boyle, a human rights lawyer, professor of international
>>> law at the University of Illinois College of Law. His books include: * “The
>>> Bosnian People Charge Genocide” (1994) Aletheia Press,
>>> * “Palestine, Palestinians, and International Law” (2003) Clarity Press,
>>>
>>> * as well as “World Politics, Human Rights, and International Law”
>>> (2021) Lexington Books.
>>> [To see the 19 book titles, see his list of publications:
>>> https://experts.illinois.edu/en/persons/francis-a-boyle/publications/ ]
>>> * from his College of Law bio: “Over his career, Francis Boyle has
>>> represented national and international bodies including the Blackfoot
>>> Nation (Canada), the Nation of Hawaii, and the Lakota Nation, as well as
>>> numerous individual death penalty and human rights cases. He has advised
>>> numerous international bodies in the areas of human rights, war crimes and
>>> genocide, nuclear policy, and bio-warfare. From 1991 to 1992, Boyle served
>>> as Legal Advisor to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace
>>> Negotiations.”
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