[rfu-automation] Re: D'oh!
Joe Futrelle
futrelle at shout.net
Sun Jun 25 14:02:50 CDT 2006
Agreed that we should get approval; I'm just working on the code
itself and if the membership wants slightly different behavior, I can
tweak it as necessary.
--
Joe Futrelle
Person
On Jun 24, 2006, at 2:00 PM, Gary Cziko wrote:
> Joe et al.:
>
> This all sounds very promising.
>
> However, as we are now proposing a major change to our automated
> music operation, i.e., including explicit materials to be played
> during safe harbor hours, I think we should probably get approval
> from the general RFU membership at the next general meeting before
> we go ahead with this.
>
> Whaddyall think?
>
> --Gary
>
> On 6/24/06, Joe Futrelle <futrelle at shout.net> wrote:
> Sounds like a plan.
>
> When I put together the software that reads the Zara logs to report
> what song is playing at any given moment, I can have it check for
> the explicit label during non-safe-harbor hours and we can have it
> instigate some sort of emergency action (shutting down Zara and
> restarting with a safe playlist, sending out email alerts to
> specific people, etc.)
>
> --
> Joe Futrelle
> Person
>
>
> On Jun 23, 2006, at 8:27 PM, Gary Cziko wrote:
>
>> Joe:
>>
>> I'd go along with adding the label to the titles as you suggested.
>>
>> None of the other options will work with ZaraRadio because the
>> "explorer window" of ZR only shows the title. And since ZR
>> playlists are made from the explorer window, we have to have the
>> label in the title.
>>
>> --Gary
>>
>> On 6/23/06, Joe Futrelle < futrelle at shout.net> wrote:
>> I concur with some sort of labeling. But Gary I'm not sure which
>> kind of labeling in iTunes you're talking about. There are a bunch
>> of different ways we could do it, here are some as examples:
>>
>> 1. We could use the "grouping" field and use a code indicating
>> whether something is unchecked, safe-harbor-only, or safe.
>> 2. We could use the "genre" field for the same purpose (advantage:
>> you can browse by genre; disadvantage: there's only one genre per
>> track so this would destroy existing genre information on tracks,
>> FWIW)
>> 3. We could modify the title and put some indication in the title.
>> (advantage: if Zara or any other component in the automation
>> system reports or logs the track names we will know exactly when
>> what kind of music is played; disadvantage: it's hard to sort on,
>> unless you put the code before the title).
>> 4. We could create three playlists in iTunes, one for each
>> category (advantage: we can put a track in more than one category;
>> disadvantage: there's no way to tell given only the file which
>> playlist it's in)
>>
>> I don't really like any of these options, but thinking about them
>> in the context of all our recent discussions it seems to me the
>> safest strategy is to modify the title--like Jenn suggested but
>> not using caps. Here's what I would propose. If I have the
>> following CD:
>>
>> artist: Joe's Risque Lounge Act
>> album: Steppin' Over the Line
>> track 1: The Parental Advisory Tango
>> track 2: Butterflies and Unicorns
>>
>> lack of notation on the titles means the tracks are unchecked. Now
>> we check them and find out track 1's safe-harbor only, but track 2
>> is safe, so it's indicated this way:
>>
>> artist: Joe's Risque Lounge Act
>> album: [explicit] Steppin' Over the Line
>> track 1: [explicit] The Parent Advisory Tango
>> track 2: [clean] Butterflies and Unicorns
>>
>> what I'm proposing is twofold:
>>
>> 1. we put the code *first*, so when we sort any playlist by title
>> it'll be sorted into the three categories.
>> 2. we label an album "explicit" if any track on it is explicit
>>
>> The downside of putting the codes first is that the titles are
>> gonna look pretty ugly. But it would certainly call lots of
>> attention to the status of each track to anyone casually looking
>> at a playlist or album in iTunes, and even if all someone could
>> see was the title of the track they would be able to tell its
>> status. We could also analyze Zara logs and determine when what
>> kind of music is playing, what percentage of it is checked/
>> unchecked, etc.
>>
>> --
>> Joe Futrelle
>> Person
>>
>>
>> On Jun 23, 2006, at 10:52 AM, Gary Cziko wrote:
>>
>>> Lynsee:
>>>
>>> I would prefer explicit labels, as someone not knowing or
>>> observing such a convention involving upper- and lower-case
>>> letters could lead to errors.
>>>
>>> We could go with just two labels as used on iTunes: "clean" and
>>> "explicit" as anything without a label would be obviously
>>> unchecked while obscene is not put on the computer in the first
>>> place or removed immediately if discovered.
>>>
>>> --Gary
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/23/06, Lynsee Melchi < lynseemelchi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I liked Jenn's suggestion of putting a certain type of album/
>>> artist in
>>> all capital letters. For example:
>>>
>>> Lynsee's Band (local)
>>> with the albums HOME ON THE STRANGE
>>> Doggy Dog
>>>
>>> HOME ON THE STRANGE is not checked or explicit
>>> Doggy Dogg is safe.
>>>
>>> Or something like that.
>>>
>>> Lynsee
>>>
>>> On 6/23/06, Gary Cziko <g-cziko at uiuc.edu> wrote:
>>> > Joe:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > So there are really four tiers that we're talking about here.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > 1. Unchecked: starts on the safe-harbor playlist
>>> > > 2. Completely unplayable: is removed from the automation
>>> computer as soon
>>> > as we discover it
>>> > > 3. Indecent/profane: kept on the safe-harbor list and
>>> safeguarded in our
>>> > procedures from being played at any other time
>>> > > 4. Safe: copied from the safe-harbor playlist to the safe
>>> playlist
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > So we would play only no. 4 between 6 am and 10 pm and play
>>> nos. 1, 3 and 4
>>> > during safe-harbor hours. I wouldn't want to exclude Safe music
>>> during
>>> > safe-harbor hours.
>>> >
>>> > We would then need to add descriptors after the album and/or
>>> track titles
>>> > on iTunes so we could easily create the two ZaraRadio playlists
>>> using labels
>>> > such as "clean," "explicit" and "unchecked." (there would be no
>>> use for an
>>> > "obscene" label as these tracks would be deleted as soon as
>>> discovered to be
>>> > obscene--actually people should know enough about the music and
>>> artist so as
>>> > not to put such music on the system in the first place).
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > If the label applied to every track in an album, the label
>>> could be added to
>>> > the album title (this is visible in the ZaraRadio explorer
>>> windows).
>>> > If the label applied to some tracks and not others on an album,
>>> no label
>>> > would be put on the album title and an appropriate label would
>>> be added to
>>> > each sont track. If all this is acceptable, then we have to
>>> figure out who
>>> > is going to do this work. I am willing to show people how to do
>>> this, but I
>>> > am not going to be listening to and labeling albums and tracks
>>> myself.
>>> >
>>> > --Gary
>>> >
>>> > P.S. I am still testing out the ability of getting ZaraRadio to
>>> > automatically switch from one playlist to another at the right
>>> time. So far
>>> > it looks posssible, but need to test a bit more.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> Gary Cziko
>> Professor
>> Educational Psychology & English as an International Language
>> University of Illinois
>> 1310 S. Sixth Street
>> 210F Education Building
>> Champaign, IL 61820-6990
>> USA
>>
>> Telephone +1-217-333-8527
>> Fax: +1-217-244-7620
>> e-mail: g-cziko at uiuc.edu
>> Web: http://garycziko.net
>> Skype: garyjazz (http://www.skype.com)
>> Google Talk: gcziko
>> Amateur Radio: N9MJZ (IRLP 4280; EchoLink 8231);
>>
>> Founder, Station Manager, Program Director, Chief Engineer and
>> Announcer
>> The Latino Radio Service of La Casa Cultural Latina
>> 1660 AM on the Urbana-Champaign campus of the University of Illinois
>> ( http://latinoradioservice.org)
>>
>> Founder and Major Contributor
>> ATALL Wikibook for
>> Autonomous Technology-Assisted Language Learning
>> ( http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/ATALL )
>
>
>
>
> --
> ---------------------------------------------------
> Gary Cziko
> Professor
> Educational Psychology & English as an International Language
> University of Illinois
> 1310 S. Sixth Street
> 210F Education Building
> Champaign, IL 61820-6990
> USA
>
> Telephone +1-217-333-8527
> Fax: +1-217-244-7620
> e-mail: g-cziko at uiuc.edu
> Web: http://garycziko.net
> Skype: garyjazz (http://www.skype.com)
> Google Talk: gcziko
> Amateur Radio: N9MJZ (IRLP 4280; EchoLink 8231);
>
> Founder, Station Manager, Program Director, Chief Engineer and
> Announcer
> The Latino Radio Service of La Casa Cultural Latina
> 1660 AM on the Urbana-Champaign campus of the University of Illinois
> ( http://latinoradioservice.org)
>
> Founder and Major Contributor
> ATALL Wikibook for
> Autonomous Technology-Assisted Language Learning
> (http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/ATALL )
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