[Commotion-discuss] MtP router network
Georgia Bullen
georgia at opentechinstitute.org
Thu Aug 1 18:08:46 UTC 2013
So my theory yesterday was that if there are many requests for the splash
page at the same time (e.g. many people connecting for the first time at
the same time) that maybe nodogsplash trips up or has a leak of some sort?
So to recreate I'd try to simulate many simultaneous new connections.
Just my crazy idea.
-georgia
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Seamus Tuohy <s2e at opentechinstitute.org>wrote:
> If you are connected on the AP you can just use the debug-helper menu.
>
> s2e
>
> On 08/01/2013 01:58 PM, Preston Rhea wrote:
> > Is the command for that just to ssh in to root and enter
> >
> > debug-helper
> >
> > or is there another syntax?
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Seamus Tuohy <s2e at opentechinstitute.org>
> wrote:
> >> Hey all,
> >>
> >> So, I can't get the bug to recreate itself from in the office. If anyone
> >> still has this problem or runs into it in the near future can you run
> >> debug-helper on the AP node as well as on the gateway node and send
> >> those files to me so that we can check the firewall settings.
> >>
> >> s2e
> >>
> >> On 08/01/2013 11:40 AM, Preston Rhea wrote:
> >>> I used a build that Dan made for Red Hook, which is designed for
> >>> updating from active PR* networks to DR* networks in order to keep the
> >>> wireless interfaces on and meshing: http://wirelesssummit.org:8000/
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Alexander Chemeris
> >>> <alexander.chemeris at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Isn't it the same issue we hit during the workshop in Moscow? In this
> >>>> case Josh King knows details.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 6:16 PM, Seamus Tuohy <
> s2e at opentechinstitute.org> wrote:
> >>>>> Hey all. I had not started work diagnosing it. Now that we have some
> >>>>> replication it sounds urgent enough to put my other work aside and
> >>>>> start on it today.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Preston, Is it the version downloadable from the Commotion site or a
> >>>>> build that you compiled yourself? And, Ryan we determined that the
> build
> >>>>> you were using was a custom compiled build from Griffin. Correct?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> s2e
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 07/31/2013 06:18 PM, Ryan Gerety wrote:
> >>>>>> After a further chat with Preston, this seems like it *might* be the
> >>>>>> same problem I encountered at the Hackerspace in Tunis. When using
> the
> >>>>>> AP of the gateway node the client can access the internet and when
> on
> >>>>>> another mesh node (say via ssh) you can access the internet,
> however,
> >>>>>> when you are on the AP of another node you cannot access the
> internet.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I had sent this to the tech list about two weeks ago, and in the
> office
> >>>>>> Seamus and Griffin thought it might be a zone issue. Seamus and
> Griffin
> >>>>>> did you discover what the problem actually was? Were you able to
> >>>>>> replicate the problem?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>> Ryan
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Jul 31, 2013, at 2:32 PM, Preston Rhea wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi Jack,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I went yesterday to test out the router again, with my laptop and
> with
> >>>>>>> a phone. (I did make the only available access point the open
> >>>>>>> MtPCWN_Paloma, so that's ok).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I associated with the access point easily, but the router wouldn't
> >>>>>>> serve me the splash screen on my laptop. It took a long time on my
> >>>>>>> phone, and when I clicked through to the internet, it just kept
> >>>>>>> spinning trying to get me to a webpage. I unplugged and re-plugged
> the
> >>>>>>> router and the same problem happened.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm not sure what the problem is there - I hope that it's something
> >>>>>>> that will not happen all the time. I'm putting word in to the
> >>>>>>> commotion-discuss list to see if they can provide any insight.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Jack McKay <
> jack.mckay at verizon.net>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Preston: I tried twice, first with an iPad, then with our ANC
> laptop.
> >>>>>>>> Could
> >>>>>>>> not make the connection at all.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The HP laptop: "Windows cannot connect". The troubleshooter
> suggested a
> >>>>>>>> power-down reset of the router.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> This was to MtPCWM, the one that was previously secured, but now
> appears
> >>>>>>>> unsecured. The "_ap" version did not appear.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Re video streaming, our meetings are heavily text-centered,
> displayed
> >>>>>>>> on a
> >>>>>>>> screen. And I mean pages of text, not PowerPoint slides with big
> print.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The resolution available from video streaming isn't adequate to
> make
> >>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>> text legible. That was true in PowerPoint mode as well. And if the
> >>>>>>>> viewer
> >>>>>>>> can't read our text, then the viewer cannot really follow our
> >>>>>>>> proceedings.
> >>>>>>>> Tried that, and determined that screen-sharing was necessary to
> >>>>>>>> provide the
> >>>>>>>> viewer with legible displays.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -- Jack
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> At 11:30 AM 7/30/2013, Preston Rhea wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Update for all:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The software on both the MPCO and Paloma (la casa) routers is
> updated
> >>>>>>>>> to the newest version of the router software, Commotion.
> Performance
> >>>>>>>>> is was pretty fast on both of them when I tested.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Bill, when we get a chance I can go over the new software with
> you -
> >>>>>>>>> soon (hopefully) it will make sense to update all the routers in
> the
> >>>>>>>>> network.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Also, let us know how your Skype test goes Jack. I still wonder
> if the
> >>>>>>>>> best solution would just be a live video stream instead of making
> >>>>>>>>> people use their Skype accounts to call in - we can discuss that
> >>>>>>>>> further if you'd like.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> And when I get a chance, Robert, I need to come back and
> re-mount the
> >>>>>>>>> router on your office roof.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for staying in touch all,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Preston
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Preston Rhea <
> preston.rhea at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> All: bus is late from downtown, just got on the 42. May be 15
> to 20
> >>>>>>>>>> late.
> >>>>>>>>>> Sorry!
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 23, 2013 11:53 PM, "R.F. Mail" <rfmail at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes to both Preston & Jack. 6pm
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Robert
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Jack McKay <
> jack.mckay at verizon.net>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I'd like to learn what I can about this system. Do I
> have the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> location right? 3213 Mt Pleasant Street? -- Jack
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> At 09:33 PM 7/23/2013, Preston Rhea wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> OK - Robert, could we meet at the MPCO around 6:00 tomorrow
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (Wednesday)? Jack, if you'd like to join and watch what goes
> on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> maintenance with the network, that would be great.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Bill Comisky <
> bcomisky at pobox.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preston,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I probably can't do evenings, as Nicole is going out of
> town this
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> week
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've got the child-care duties. But let me know when it's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> just in case, and maybe take some notes on the process to
> share.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Preston Rhea
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <preston.rhea at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill and Robert,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday evening best for you
> this
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Bill Comisky
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bcomisky at pobox.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preston,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me know when you are going to troubleshoot. If I'm
> free
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to look over your shoulder..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Jack McKay
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jack.mckay at verizon.net>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We did the Skype thing, using my T-mobile cellphone as a
> mobile
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hotspot.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It worked quite nicely, but it put a pretty big ding in
> my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monthly
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> data
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> budget, so I don't care to make this a regular thing. The
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wireless
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system would be ideal! Just let me know how I can
> support these
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repairs, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how the ANC might support its expansion. -- Jack
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At 11:09 AM 7/16/2013, Preston Rhea wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought I had the tool I needed to do it tonight but I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to wait until early next week to fix it. Sorry it won't
> be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ready
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tonight Jack!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert I'll stay in touch to arrange for next week.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Jack McKay
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jack.mckay at verizon.net>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our ANC meeting starts at 7 pm Tuesday. Let me know
> how I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> help
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> routers working. It would be marvelous to have it
> available
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meeting,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which I'm planning on sending out via Skype. -- Jack
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At 05:29 PM 7/15/2013, Preston Rhea wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm back and available to help tomorrow evening -
> Robert
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to fix things on your router for a bit at that time?
> We
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> access to the room I think. If we can fix Robert's
> router,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> job
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixing the router on top of La Casa should be easier.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Jack McKay
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jack.mckay at verizon.net>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me know when it might be fixed, how I can help,
> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANC
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contribute.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We're meeting on the 16th. Unfortunate that it won't
> be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we're trying to establish remote access to our
> meetings
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> via
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internet.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right now the availability of wi-fi at the library,
> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lack
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internet
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> access at La Casa, is a force in favor of moving our
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meetings to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> library. I'd prefer to stay at La Casa, for a number
> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasons,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internet access there would help.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Jack
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At 02:28 PM 7/2/2013, Preston Rhea wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Checking in real quick,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The gateway is up the street at the mount pleasant
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> offices
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert manages, above tex mex burritos. I know there
> is a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> node. Also the software ought to be updated on both
> nodes
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to go on the roof to service the gateway node.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think there is no problem with the link between the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gateway and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the La
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Casa node, likely just with the gateway. It's
> probably
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overloaded
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either, though we can check that when I'm back (week
> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 25th).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Glad to hear the ANC is interested in some support.
> Let's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I'm back.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preston
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 2013 11:25 AM, "Jack McKay"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jack.mckay at verizon.net >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Something's not right. Let me know how I can help
> you fix
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> La Casa is open during the hours of operation of the
> shop
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> downstairs. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keys and can get in anytime.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Jack
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At 10:57 AM 7/2/2013, Bill Comisky wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, that's pretty poor, either the link is very very
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> marginal,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something's broken.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preston, I assume you've checked this link before,
> during
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installation.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you remember: What the link speed was? Where is the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internet
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gateway
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connects to? This week I had to remount the node on
> my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chimney to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pole
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because a cable tie failure left it laying on the
> roof.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that may have happened on either end of the link if
> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the past.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Jack McKay
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jack.mckay at verizon.net >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ran the CNET downlink-only speed test this morning,
> after
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turning
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interpretation equipment over to Rob Richardson for
> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deauville/Romero
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ceremonies. The result: 20 kbps. That is not a missed
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decimal
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nor
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> erroneous prefix. Twenty, count them, kilo-bps. That
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> won't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> routine web access during a meeting, much less for
> any
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kind
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> streaming.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Jack
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At 09:02 AM 7/1/2013, Jack McKay wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill -- This was before the access page. That is, the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wi-fi
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connection
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made, but there's no internet connection, and a
> pop-up
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> says
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clicking there to bring up the browser and provide
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> additional
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clicking that brings up the browser, but that then
> shows
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only an
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> error
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message, something about the site perhaps being under
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintenance.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Generally La Casa is open during the day, for access
> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shop
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ground floor level. Our meeting room is directly up a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flight
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stairs
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the door.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What time would you be coming by? I could meet you
> there.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Jack
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At 06:54 PM 6/30/2013, Bill Comisky wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll try to go by with my laptop tomorrow. Was this
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> click-through
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for access page? I've had problems with it before
> trying
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken after I click through, but the web access
> would
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> retype another URL. I haven't been inside La Casa
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ok
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drop
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in? Where is the meeting room?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Jack McKay
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jack.mckay at verizon.net
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Took the ANC laptop to La Casa again, intending to
> run
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LiveStream
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uplink
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speed test. But I couldn't get the internet
> connection
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laptop
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would connect to MtPCMWS_Paloma_ap, bring up the
> message
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loading
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> browser for "more information", but that got only an
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> error
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something about the site perhaps being under
> maintenance
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> otherwise
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inaccessible. -- Jack At 02:43 PM 6/29/2013, Jack
> McKay
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, got some answers, via a little test at the site
> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet access from our meeting room via this
> network.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MtPCMWS_Paloma_ap,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if memory serves. Nominal speed is 2 Mbps. This will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serve
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANC's needs for ordinary use during meetings, e.g.,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> displaying
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anc1d.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website, or whatever else seems desirable. Surely
> the ANC
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contribute
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to this network. (How much? To whom? Info needed.)
> IMHO
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suitable
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for audio streaming, because it is a public shared
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> network,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caution from the beginning to refrain from hogging
> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bandwidth.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps the ANC could contribute to the capacity of
> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> providing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resources at La Casa to be linked into the network.
> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 01:47
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6/29/2013, Bill Comisky wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jack/Preston, Jack, yes, it is an open access
> public
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> network.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roof
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install does have a local wireless access point, but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depending on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meet in the building you may or may not be able to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connect
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know the details about the setup at La Casa, but
> could
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions: Jack: When is your next monthly meeting?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preston: La Casa is not a gateway correct? Do you
> know
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on/in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building the: node is installed, PoE injector is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installed?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contact at La Casa you coordinated the install
> through?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Jack McKay
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jack.mckay at verizon.net
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cool! We don't need much access, but it would be
> nice to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> able
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connect
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during our monthly meetings. We had public Wi-Fi for
> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> library was located in its temporary facility next
> door,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gone. Is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this an unsecured, public-access network? The ANC
> would,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pleased to provide a financial contribution to this
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> network,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be useful. -- Jack At 12:25 AM 6/29/2013, Preston
> Rhea
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: Hi
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> router should provide Internet access - if it doesn't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do some work on it. I'm on vacation and out of
> town
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weeks, but we could chat about this when I'm back.
> Also
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could chat with Bill about it (copied) who has
> helped out
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mount
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pleasant community wireless network. Cheers, Preston
> On
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fri,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jun
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 28,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2013 at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11:24 PM, Jack McKay <jack.mckay at verizon.net >
> wrote: > I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one of these units has been installed on the roof of
> La >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Casa
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Community
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Center. That's where we hold our monthly ANC
> meetings,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wondering
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if this router on the roof could give us access to
> the >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internet
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meetings. > -- Jack McKay > Secretary, ANC1D > > >
> ANC
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1-D,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mount
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pleasant,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Single Member District 1D03 > 3200 19th St NW, DC
> 20010 >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ph.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 202-462-8692
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fax 202-265-7430 > http://DCJack.org -- Preston Rhea
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Program
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Associate,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Technology Institute New America Foundation
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1-202-570-9770
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> preston.rhea Twitter: @prestonrhea
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://prestonrhea.org/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANC 1-D, Mount Pleasant, Single Member District 1D03
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3200 19th St NW, DC 20010
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ph. 202-462-8692 fax 202-265-7430
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://DCJack.org ANC 1-D, Mount Pleasant, Single
> Member
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> District
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1D03
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3200 19th St NW, DC 20010
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ph. 202-462-8692 fax 202-265-7430
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://DCJack.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANC 1-D, Mount Pleasant, Single Member District 1D03
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3200 19th St NW, DC 20010
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ph. 202-462-8692 fax 202-265-7430
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://DCJack.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANC 1-D, Mount Pleasant, Single Member District 1D03
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3200 19th St NW, DC 20010
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ph. 202-462-8692 fax 202-265-7430
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://DCJack.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANC 1-D, Mount Pleasant, Single Member District 1D03
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3200 19th St NW, DC 20010
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ph. 202-462-8692 fax 202-265-7430
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://DCJack.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANC 1-D, Mount Pleasant, Single Member District 1D03
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3200 19th St NW, DC 20010
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ph. 202-462-8692 fax 202-265-7430
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://DCJack.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANC 1-D, Mount Pleasant, Single Member District 1D03
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3200 19th St NW, DC 20010
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ph. 202-462-8692 fax 202-265-7430
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://DCJack.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preston Rhea
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Program Associate, Open Technology Institute
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New America Foundation
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1-202-570-9770
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: preston.rhea
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @prestonrhea
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://prestonrhea.org/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANC 1-D, Mount Pleasant, Single Member District 1D03
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3200 19th St NW, DC 20010
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ph. 202-462-8692 fax 202-265-7430
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://DCJack.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preston Rhea
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Program Associate, Open Technology Institute
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New America Foundation
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1-202-570-9770
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: preston.rhea
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @prestonrhea
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://prestonrhea.org/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANC 1-D, Mount Pleasant, Single Member District 1D03
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3200 19th St NW, DC 20010
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ph. 202-462-8692 fax 202-265-7430
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://DCJack.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preston Rhea
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Field Analyst, Open Technology Institute
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New America Foundation
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1-202-570-9770
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: preston.rhea
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @prestonrhea
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://prestonrhea.org/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Preston Rhea
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Field Analyst, Open Technology Institute
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> New America Foundation
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> +1-202-570-9770
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: preston.rhea
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @prestonrhea
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://prestonrhea.org/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ANC 1-D, Mount Pleasant, Single Member District 1D03
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 3200 19th St NW, DC 20010
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ph. 202-462-8692 fax 202-265-7430
> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://DCJack.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> Preston Rhea
> >>>>>>>>> Field Analyst, Open Technology Institute
> >>>>>>>>> New America Foundation
> >>>>>>>>> +1-202-570-9770
> >>>>>>>>> Skype: preston.rhea
> >>>>>>>>> Twitter: @prestonrhea
> >>>>>>>>> http://prestonrhea.org/
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ANC 1-D, Mount Pleasant, Single Member District 1D03
> >>>>>>>> 3200 19th St NW, DC 20010
> >>>>>>>> ph. 202-462-8692 fax 202-265-7430
> >>>>>>>> http://DCJack.org
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Preston Rhea
> >>>>>>> Field Analyst, Open Technology Institute
> >>>>>>> New America Foundation
> >>>>>>> +1-202-570-9770
> >>>>>>> Skype: preston.rhea
> >>>>>>> Twitter: @prestonrhea
> >>>>>>> http://prestonrhea.org/
> >>>>>>>
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