[Commotion-discuss] MtP router network
Preston Rhea
prestonrhea at opentechinstitute.org
Thu Aug 1 18:06:10 UTC 2013
Cool, thanks!
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Seamus Tuohy <s2e at opentechinstitute.org> wrote:
> If you are connected on the AP you can just use the debug-helper menu.
>
> s2e
>
> On 08/01/2013 01:58 PM, Preston Rhea wrote:
>> Is the command for that just to ssh in to root and enter
>>
>> debug-helper
>>
>> or is there another syntax?
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Seamus Tuohy <s2e at opentechinstitute.org> wrote:
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> So, I can't get the bug to recreate itself from in the office. If anyone
>>> still has this problem or runs into it in the near future can you run
>>> debug-helper on the AP node as well as on the gateway node and send
>>> those files to me so that we can check the firewall settings.
>>>
>>> s2e
>>>
>>> On 08/01/2013 11:40 AM, Preston Rhea wrote:
>>>> I used a build that Dan made for Red Hook, which is designed for
>>>> updating from active PR* networks to DR* networks in order to keep the
>>>> wireless interfaces on and meshing: http://wirelesssummit.org:8000/
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Alexander Chemeris
>>>> <alexander.chemeris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Isn't it the same issue we hit during the workshop in Moscow? In this
>>>>> case Josh King knows details.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 6:16 PM, Seamus Tuohy <s2e at opentechinstitute.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Hey all. I had not started work diagnosing it. Now that we have some
>>>>>> replication it sounds urgent enough to put my other work aside and
>>>>>> start on it today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Preston, Is it the version downloadable from the Commotion site or a
>>>>>> build that you compiled yourself? And, Ryan we determined that the build
>>>>>> you were using was a custom compiled build from Griffin. Correct?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> s2e
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 07/31/2013 06:18 PM, Ryan Gerety wrote:
>>>>>>> After a further chat with Preston, this seems like it *might* be the
>>>>>>> same problem I encountered at the Hackerspace in Tunis. When using the
>>>>>>> AP of the gateway node the client can access the internet and when on
>>>>>>> another mesh node (say via ssh) you can access the internet, however,
>>>>>>> when you are on the AP of another node you cannot access the internet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I had sent this to the tech list about two weeks ago, and in the office
>>>>>>> Seamus and Griffin thought it might be a zone issue. Seamus and Griffin
>>>>>>> did you discover what the problem actually was? Were you able to
>>>>>>> replicate the problem?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> Ryan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 2013, at 2:32 PM, Preston Rhea wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Jack,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I went yesterday to test out the router again, with my laptop and with
>>>>>>>> a phone. (I did make the only available access point the open
>>>>>>>> MtPCWN_Paloma, so that's ok).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I associated with the access point easily, but the router wouldn't
>>>>>>>> serve me the splash screen on my laptop. It took a long time on my
>>>>>>>> phone, and when I clicked through to the internet, it just kept
>>>>>>>> spinning trying to get me to a webpage. I unplugged and re-plugged the
>>>>>>>> router and the same problem happened.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what the problem is there - I hope that it's something
>>>>>>>> that will not happen all the time. I'm putting word in to the
>>>>>>>> commotion-discuss list to see if they can provide any insight.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Jack McKay <jack.mckay at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Preston: I tried twice, first with an iPad, then with our ANC laptop.
>>>>>>>>> Could
>>>>>>>>> not make the connection at all.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The HP laptop: "Windows cannot connect". The troubleshooter suggested a
>>>>>>>>> power-down reset of the router.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This was to MtPCWM, the one that was previously secured, but now appears
>>>>>>>>> unsecured. The "_ap" version did not appear.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Re video streaming, our meetings are heavily text-centered, displayed
>>>>>>>>> on a
>>>>>>>>> screen. And I mean pages of text, not PowerPoint slides with big print.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The resolution available from video streaming isn't adequate to make
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> text legible. That was true in PowerPoint mode as well. And if the
>>>>>>>>> viewer
>>>>>>>>> can't read our text, then the viewer cannot really follow our
>>>>>>>>> proceedings.
>>>>>>>>> Tried that, and determined that screen-sharing was necessary to
>>>>>>>>> provide the
>>>>>>>>> viewer with legible displays.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -- Jack
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At 11:30 AM 7/30/2013, Preston Rhea wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Update for all:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The software on both the MPCO and Paloma (la casa) routers is updated
>>>>>>>>>> to the newest version of the router software, Commotion. Performance
>>>>>>>>>> is was pretty fast on both of them when I tested.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bill, when we get a chance I can go over the new software with you -
>>>>>>>>>> soon (hopefully) it will make sense to update all the routers in the
>>>>>>>>>> network.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Also, let us know how your Skype test goes Jack. I still wonder if the
>>>>>>>>>> best solution would just be a live video stream instead of making
>>>>>>>>>> people use their Skype accounts to call in - we can discuss that
>>>>>>>>>> further if you'd like.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And when I get a chance, Robert, I need to come back and re-mount the
>>>>>>>>>> router on your office roof.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for staying in touch all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Preston
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Preston Rhea <preston.rhea at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> All: bus is late from downtown, just got on the 42. May be 15 to 20
>>>>>>>>>>> late.
>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 23, 2013 11:53 PM, "R.F. Mail" <rfmail at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes to both Preston & Jack. 6pm
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Jack McKay <jack.mckay at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I'd like to learn what I can about this system. Do I have the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> location right? 3213 Mt Pleasant Street? -- Jack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> At 09:33 PM 7/23/2013, Preston Rhea wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK - Robert, could we meet at the MPCO around 6:00 tomorrow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Wednesday)? Jack, if you'd like to join and watch what goes on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintenance with the network, that would be great.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Bill Comisky <bcomisky at pobox.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preston,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I probably can't do evenings, as Nicole is going out of town this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've got the child-care duties. But let me know when it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just in case, and maybe take some notes on the process to share.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Preston Rhea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <preston.rhea at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill and Robert,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday evening best for you this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Bill Comisky
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bcomisky at pobox.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preston,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me know when you are going to troubleshoot. If I'm free
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to look over your shoulder..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Jack McKay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jack.mckay at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We did the Skype thing, using my T-mobile cellphone as a mobile
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hotspot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It worked quite nicely, but it put a pretty big ding in my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monthly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> data
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> budget, so I don't care to make this a regular thing. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wireless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system would be ideal! Just let me know how I can support these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repairs, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how the ANC might support its expansion. -- Jack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At 11:09 AM 7/16/2013, Preston Rhea wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought I had the tool I needed to do it tonight but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to wait until early next week to fix it. Sorry it won't be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ready
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tonight Jack!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert I'll stay in touch to arrange for next week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Jack McKay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jack.mckay at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our ANC meeting starts at 7 pm Tuesday. Let me know how I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> routers working. It would be marvelous to have it available
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meeting,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which I'm planning on sending out via Skype. -- Jack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At 05:29 PM 7/15/2013, Preston Rhea wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm back and available to help tomorrow evening - Robert
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to fix things on your router for a bit at that time? We
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> access to the room I think. If we can fix Robert's router,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> job
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixing the router on top of La Casa should be easier.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Jack McKay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jack.mckay at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me know when it might be fixed, how I can help, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contribute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We're meeting on the 16th. Unfortunate that it won't be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we're trying to establish remote access to our meetings
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right now the availability of wi-fi at the library, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> access at La Casa, is a force in favor of moving our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meetings to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> library. I'd prefer to stay at La Casa, for a number of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasons,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internet access there would help.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Jack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At 02:28 PM 7/2/2013, Preston Rhea wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Checking in real quick,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The gateway is up the street at the mount pleasant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> offices
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert manages, above tex mex burritos. I know there is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> node. Also the software ought to be updated on both nodes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to go on the roof to service the gateway node.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think there is no problem with the link between the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gateway and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the La
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Casa node, likely just with the gateway. It's probably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overloaded
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either, though we can check that when I'm back (week of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 25th).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Glad to hear the ANC is interested in some support. Let's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I'm back.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preston
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 2013 11:25 AM, "Jack McKay"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jack.mckay at verizon.net >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Something's not right. Let me know how I can help you fix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> La Casa is open during the hours of operation of the shop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> downstairs. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keys and can get in anytime.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Jack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At 10:57 AM 7/2/2013, Bill Comisky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, that's pretty poor, either the link is very very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> marginal,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something's broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preston, I assume you've checked this link before, during
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you remember: What the link speed was? Where is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gateway
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connects to? This week I had to remount the node on my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chimney to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because a cable tie failure left it laying on the roof.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that may have happened on either end of the link if it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the past.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Jack McKay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jack.mckay at verizon.net >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ran the CNET downlink-only speed test this morning, after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interpretation equipment over to Rob Richardson for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deauville/Romero
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ceremonies. The result: 20 kbps. That is not a missed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decimal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> erroneous prefix. Twenty, count them, kilo-bps. That
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> won't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> routine web access during a meeting, much less for any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> streaming.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Jack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At 09:02 AM 7/1/2013, Jack McKay wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill -- This was before the access page. That is, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wi-fi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connection
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made, but there's no internet connection, and a pop-up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> says
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clicking there to bring up the browser and provide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> additional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clicking that brings up the browser, but that then shows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> error
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message, something about the site perhaps being under
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintenance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Generally La Casa is open during the day, for access to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ground floor level. Our meeting room is directly up a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stairs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the door.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What time would you be coming by? I could meet you there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Jack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At 06:54 PM 6/30/2013, Bill Comisky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll try to go by with my laptop tomorrow. Was this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> click-through
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for access page? I've had problems with it before trying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken after I click through, but the web access would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> retype another URL. I haven't been inside La Casa
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in? Where is the meeting room?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Jack McKay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jack.mckay at verizon.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Took the ANC laptop to La Casa again, intending to run
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LiveStream
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uplink
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speed test. But I couldn't get the internet connection
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laptop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would connect to MtPCMWS_Paloma_ap, bring up the message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loading
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> browser for "more information", but that got only an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> error
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something about the site perhaps being under maintenance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> otherwise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inaccessible. -- Jack At 02:43 PM 6/29/2013, Jack McKay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, got some answers, via a little test at the site --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet access from our meeting room via this network.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MtPCMWS_Paloma_ap,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if memory serves. Nominal speed is 2 Mbps. This will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANC's needs for ordinary use during meetings, e.g.,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> displaying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anc1d.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website, or whatever else seems desirable. Surely the ANC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contribute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to this network. (How much? To whom? Info needed.) IMHO
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suitable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for audio streaming, because it is a public shared
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> network,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caution from the beginning to refrain from hogging the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bandwidth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps the ANC could contribute to the capacity of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> providing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resources at La Casa to be linked into the network. --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 01:47
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6/29/2013, Bill Comisky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jack/Preston, Jack, yes, it is an open access public
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> network.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roof
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install does have a local wireless access point, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depending on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meet in the building you may or may not be able to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know the details about the setup at La Casa, but could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions: Jack: When is your next monthly meeting?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preston: La Casa is not a gateway correct? Do you know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on/in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building the: node is installed, PoE injector is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installed?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contact at La Casa you coordinated the install through?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Jack McKay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jack.mckay at verizon.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cool! We don't need much access, but it would be nice to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during our monthly meetings. We had public Wi-Fi for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> library was located in its temporary facility next door,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gone. Is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this an unsecured, public-access network? The ANC would,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pleased to provide a financial contribution to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> network,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be useful. -- Jack At 12:25 AM 6/29/2013, Preston Rhea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> router should provide Internet access - if it doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do some work on it. I'm on vacation and out of town
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weeks, but we could chat about this when I'm back. Also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could chat with Bill about it (copied) who has helped out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mount
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pleasant community wireless network. Cheers, Preston On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fri,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jun
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 28,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2013 at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11:24 PM, Jack McKay <jack.mckay at verizon.net > wrote: > I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one of these units has been installed on the roof of La >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Casa
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Community
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Center. That's where we hold our monthly ANC meetings,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wondering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if this router on the roof could give us access to the >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meetings. > -- Jack McKay > Secretary, ANC1D > > > ANC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1-D,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mount
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pleasant,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Single Member District 1D03 > 3200 19th St NW, DC 20010 >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ph.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 202-462-8692
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fax 202-265-7430 > http://DCJack.org -- Preston Rhea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Program
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Associate,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Technology Institute New America Foundation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1-202-570-9770
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> preston.rhea Twitter: @prestonrhea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://prestonrhea.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANC 1-D, Mount Pleasant, Single Member District 1D03
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3200 19th St NW, DC 20010
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ph. 202-462-8692 fax 202-265-7430
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://DCJack.org ANC 1-D, Mount Pleasant, Single Member
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> District
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1D03
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3200 19th St NW, DC 20010
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ph. 202-462-8692 fax 202-265-7430
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://DCJack.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANC 1-D, Mount Pleasant, Single Member District 1D03
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3200 19th St NW, DC 20010
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ph. 202-462-8692 fax 202-265-7430
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://DCJack.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANC 1-D, Mount Pleasant, Single Member District 1D03
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3200 19th St NW, DC 20010
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ph. 202-462-8692 fax 202-265-7430
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://DCJack.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANC 1-D, Mount Pleasant, Single Member District 1D03
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3200 19th St NW, DC 20010
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ph. 202-462-8692 fax 202-265-7430
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://DCJack.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANC 1-D, Mount Pleasant, Single Member District 1D03
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3200 19th St NW, DC 20010
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ph. 202-462-8692 fax 202-265-7430
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://DCJack.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANC 1-D, Mount Pleasant, Single Member District 1D03
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3200 19th St NW, DC 20010
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ph. 202-462-8692 fax 202-265-7430
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://DCJack.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preston Rhea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Program Associate, Open Technology Institute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New America Foundation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1-202-570-9770
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: preston.rhea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @prestonrhea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://prestonrhea.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANC 1-D, Mount Pleasant, Single Member District 1D03
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3200 19th St NW, DC 20010
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ph. 202-462-8692 fax 202-265-7430
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://DCJack.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preston Rhea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Program Associate, Open Technology Institute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New America Foundation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1-202-570-9770
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: preston.rhea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @prestonrhea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://prestonrhea.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANC 1-D, Mount Pleasant, Single Member District 1D03
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3200 19th St NW, DC 20010
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ph. 202-462-8692 fax 202-265-7430
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://DCJack.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preston Rhea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Field Analyst, Open Technology Institute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New America Foundation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1-202-570-9770
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: preston.rhea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @prestonrhea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://prestonrhea.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preston Rhea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Field Analyst, Open Technology Institute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New America Foundation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1-202-570-9770
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: preston.rhea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @prestonrhea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://prestonrhea.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANC 1-D, Mount Pleasant, Single Member District 1D03
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3200 19th St NW, DC 20010
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ph. 202-462-8692 fax 202-265-7430
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://DCJack.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Preston Rhea
>>>>>>>>>> Field Analyst, Open Technology Institute
>>>>>>>>>> New America Foundation
>>>>>>>>>> +1-202-570-9770
>>>>>>>>>> Skype: preston.rhea
>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @prestonrhea
>>>>>>>>>> http://prestonrhea.org/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ANC 1-D, Mount Pleasant, Single Member District 1D03
>>>>>>>>> 3200 19th St NW, DC 20010
>>>>>>>>> ph. 202-462-8692 fax 202-265-7430
>>>>>>>>> http://DCJack.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Preston Rhea
>>>>>>>> Field Analyst, Open Technology Institute
>>>>>>>> New America Foundation
>>>>>>>> +1-202-570-9770
>>>>>>>> Skype: preston.rhea
>>>>>>>> Twitter: @prestonrhea
>>>>>>>> http://prestonrhea.org/
>>>>>>>>
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