[Commotion-discuss] MtP router network
Seamus Tuohy
s2e at opentechinstitute.org
Thu Aug 1 18:01:14 UTC 2013
If you are connected on the AP you can just use the debug-helper menu.
s2e
On 08/01/2013 01:58 PM, Preston Rhea wrote:
> Is the command for that just to ssh in to root and enter
>
> debug-helper
>
> or is there another syntax?
>
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Seamus Tuohy <s2e at opentechinstitute.org> wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> So, I can't get the bug to recreate itself from in the office. If anyone
>> still has this problem or runs into it in the near future can you run
>> debug-helper on the AP node as well as on the gateway node and send
>> those files to me so that we can check the firewall settings.
>>
>> s2e
>>
>> On 08/01/2013 11:40 AM, Preston Rhea wrote:
>>> I used a build that Dan made for Red Hook, which is designed for
>>> updating from active PR* networks to DR* networks in order to keep the
>>> wireless interfaces on and meshing: http://wirelesssummit.org:8000/
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Alexander Chemeris
>>> <alexander.chemeris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Isn't it the same issue we hit during the workshop in Moscow? In this
>>>> case Josh King knows details.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 6:16 PM, Seamus Tuohy <s2e at opentechinstitute.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hey all. I had not started work diagnosing it. Now that we have some
>>>>> replication it sounds urgent enough to put my other work aside and
>>>>> start on it today.
>>>>>
>>>>> Preston, Is it the version downloadable from the Commotion site or a
>>>>> build that you compiled yourself? And, Ryan we determined that the build
>>>>> you were using was a custom compiled build from Griffin. Correct?
>>>>>
>>>>> s2e
>>>>>
>>>>> On 07/31/2013 06:18 PM, Ryan Gerety wrote:
>>>>>> After a further chat with Preston, this seems like it *might* be the
>>>>>> same problem I encountered at the Hackerspace in Tunis. When using the
>>>>>> AP of the gateway node the client can access the internet and when on
>>>>>> another mesh node (say via ssh) you can access the internet, however,
>>>>>> when you are on the AP of another node you cannot access the internet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had sent this to the tech list about two weeks ago, and in the office
>>>>>> Seamus and Griffin thought it might be a zone issue. Seamus and Griffin
>>>>>> did you discover what the problem actually was? Were you able to
>>>>>> replicate the problem?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Ryan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 31, 2013, at 2:32 PM, Preston Rhea wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Jack,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I went yesterday to test out the router again, with my laptop and with
>>>>>>> a phone. (I did make the only available access point the open
>>>>>>> MtPCWN_Paloma, so that's ok).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I associated with the access point easily, but the router wouldn't
>>>>>>> serve me the splash screen on my laptop. It took a long time on my
>>>>>>> phone, and when I clicked through to the internet, it just kept
>>>>>>> spinning trying to get me to a webpage. I unplugged and re-plugged the
>>>>>>> router and the same problem happened.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not sure what the problem is there - I hope that it's something
>>>>>>> that will not happen all the time. I'm putting word in to the
>>>>>>> commotion-discuss list to see if they can provide any insight.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Jack McKay <jack.mckay at verizon.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Preston: I tried twice, first with an iPad, then with our ANC laptop.
>>>>>>>> Could
>>>>>>>> not make the connection at all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The HP laptop: "Windows cannot connect". The troubleshooter suggested a
>>>>>>>> power-down reset of the router.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This was to MtPCWM, the one that was previously secured, but now appears
>>>>>>>> unsecured. The "_ap" version did not appear.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Re video streaming, our meetings are heavily text-centered, displayed
>>>>>>>> on a
>>>>>>>> screen. And I mean pages of text, not PowerPoint slides with big print.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The resolution available from video streaming isn't adequate to make
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> text legible. That was true in PowerPoint mode as well. And if the
>>>>>>>> viewer
>>>>>>>> can't read our text, then the viewer cannot really follow our
>>>>>>>> proceedings.
>>>>>>>> Tried that, and determined that screen-sharing was necessary to
>>>>>>>> provide the
>>>>>>>> viewer with legible displays.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- Jack
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At 11:30 AM 7/30/2013, Preston Rhea wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Update for all:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The software on both the MPCO and Paloma (la casa) routers is updated
>>>>>>>>> to the newest version of the router software, Commotion. Performance
>>>>>>>>> is was pretty fast on both of them when I tested.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bill, when we get a chance I can go over the new software with you -
>>>>>>>>> soon (hopefully) it will make sense to update all the routers in the
>>>>>>>>> network.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also, let us know how your Skype test goes Jack. I still wonder if the
>>>>>>>>> best solution would just be a live video stream instead of making
>>>>>>>>> people use their Skype accounts to call in - we can discuss that
>>>>>>>>> further if you'd like.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And when I get a chance, Robert, I need to come back and re-mount the
>>>>>>>>> router on your office roof.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for staying in touch all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Preston
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Preston Rhea <preston.rhea at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> All: bus is late from downtown, just got on the 42. May be 15 to 20
>>>>>>>>>> late.
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 23, 2013 11:53 PM, "R.F. Mail" <rfmail at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes to both Preston & Jack. 6pm
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Jack McKay <jack.mckay at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I'd like to learn what I can about this system. Do I have the
>>>>>>>>>>>> location right? 3213 Mt Pleasant Street? -- Jack
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> At 09:33 PM 7/23/2013, Preston Rhea wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK - Robert, could we meet at the MPCO around 6:00 tomorrow
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Wednesday)? Jack, if you'd like to join and watch what goes on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintenance with the network, that would be great.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Bill Comisky <bcomisky at pobox.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preston,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I probably can't do evenings, as Nicole is going out of town this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've got the child-care duties. But let me know when it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just in case, and maybe take some notes on the process to share.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Preston Rhea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <preston.rhea at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill and Robert,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday evening best for you this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Bill Comisky
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bcomisky at pobox.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preston,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me know when you are going to troubleshoot. If I'm free
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to look over your shoulder..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Jack McKay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jack.mckay at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We did the Skype thing, using my T-mobile cellphone as a mobile
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hotspot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It worked quite nicely, but it put a pretty big ding in my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monthly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> data
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> budget, so I don't care to make this a regular thing. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wireless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system would be ideal! Just let me know how I can support these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repairs, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how the ANC might support its expansion. -- Jack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At 11:09 AM 7/16/2013, Preston Rhea wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought I had the tool I needed to do it tonight but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to wait until early next week to fix it. Sorry it won't be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ready
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tonight Jack!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert I'll stay in touch to arrange for next week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Jack McKay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jack.mckay at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our ANC meeting starts at 7 pm Tuesday. Let me know how I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> routers working. It would be marvelous to have it available
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meeting,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which I'm planning on sending out via Skype. -- Jack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At 05:29 PM 7/15/2013, Preston Rhea wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm back and available to help tomorrow evening - Robert
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to fix things on your router for a bit at that time? We
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> access to the room I think. If we can fix Robert's router,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> job
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixing the router on top of La Casa should be easier.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Jack McKay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jack.mckay at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me know when it might be fixed, how I can help, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contribute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We're meeting on the 16th. Unfortunate that it won't be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we're trying to establish remote access to our meetings
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right now the availability of wi-fi at the library, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> access at La Casa, is a force in favor of moving our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meetings to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> library. I'd prefer to stay at La Casa, for a number of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasons,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internet access there would help.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Jack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At 02:28 PM 7/2/2013, Preston Rhea wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Checking in real quick,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The gateway is up the street at the mount pleasant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> offices
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert manages, above tex mex burritos. I know there is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> node. Also the software ought to be updated on both nodes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to go on the roof to service the gateway node.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think there is no problem with the link between the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gateway and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the La
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Casa node, likely just with the gateway. It's probably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overloaded
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either, though we can check that when I'm back (week of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 25th).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Glad to hear the ANC is interested in some support. Let's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I'm back.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preston
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 2013 11:25 AM, "Jack McKay"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jack.mckay at verizon.net >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Something's not right. Let me know how I can help you fix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> La Casa is open during the hours of operation of the shop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> downstairs. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keys and can get in anytime.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Jack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At 10:57 AM 7/2/2013, Bill Comisky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, that's pretty poor, either the link is very very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> marginal,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something's broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preston, I assume you've checked this link before, during
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you remember: What the link speed was? Where is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gateway
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connects to? This week I had to remount the node on my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chimney to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because a cable tie failure left it laying on the roof.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that may have happened on either end of the link if it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the past.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Jack McKay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jack.mckay at verizon.net >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ran the CNET downlink-only speed test this morning, after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interpretation equipment over to Rob Richardson for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deauville/Romero
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ceremonies. The result: 20 kbps. That is not a missed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decimal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> erroneous prefix. Twenty, count them, kilo-bps. That
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> won't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> routine web access during a meeting, much less for any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> streaming.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Jack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At 09:02 AM 7/1/2013, Jack McKay wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill -- This was before the access page. That is, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wi-fi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connection
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made, but there's no internet connection, and a pop-up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> says
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clicking there to bring up the browser and provide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> additional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clicking that brings up the browser, but that then shows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> error
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message, something about the site perhaps being under
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintenance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Generally La Casa is open during the day, for access to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ground floor level. Our meeting room is directly up a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stairs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the door.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What time would you be coming by? I could meet you there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Jack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At 06:54 PM 6/30/2013, Bill Comisky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll try to go by with my laptop tomorrow. Was this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> click-through
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for access page? I've had problems with it before trying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken after I click through, but the web access would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> retype another URL. I haven't been inside La Casa
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in? Where is the meeting room?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Jack McKay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jack.mckay at verizon.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Took the ANC laptop to La Casa again, intending to run
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LiveStream
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uplink
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speed test. But I couldn't get the internet connection
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laptop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would connect to MtPCMWS_Paloma_ap, bring up the message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loading
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> browser for "more information", but that got only an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> error
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something about the site perhaps being under maintenance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> otherwise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inaccessible. -- Jack At 02:43 PM 6/29/2013, Jack McKay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, got some answers, via a little test at the site --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet access from our meeting room via this network.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MtPCMWS_Paloma_ap,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if memory serves. Nominal speed is 2 Mbps. This will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANC's needs for ordinary use during meetings, e.g.,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> displaying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anc1d.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website, or whatever else seems desirable. Surely the ANC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contribute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to this network. (How much? To whom? Info needed.) IMHO
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suitable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for audio streaming, because it is a public shared
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> network,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caution from the beginning to refrain from hogging the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bandwidth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps the ANC could contribute to the capacity of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> providing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resources at La Casa to be linked into the network. --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 01:47
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6/29/2013, Bill Comisky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jack/Preston, Jack, yes, it is an open access public
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> network.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roof
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install does have a local wireless access point, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depending on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meet in the building you may or may not be able to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know the details about the setup at La Casa, but could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions: Jack: When is your next monthly meeting?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preston: La Casa is not a gateway correct? Do you know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on/in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building the: node is installed, PoE injector is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installed?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contact at La Casa you coordinated the install through?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Jack McKay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jack.mckay at verizon.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cool! We don't need much access, but it would be nice to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during our monthly meetings. We had public Wi-Fi for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> library was located in its temporary facility next door,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gone. Is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this an unsecured, public-access network? The ANC would,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pleased to provide a financial contribution to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> network,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be useful. -- Jack At 12:25 AM 6/29/2013, Preston Rhea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> router should provide Internet access - if it doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do some work on it. I'm on vacation and out of town
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weeks, but we could chat about this when I'm back. Also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could chat with Bill about it (copied) who has helped out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mount
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pleasant community wireless network. Cheers, Preston On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fri,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jun
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 28,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2013 at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11:24 PM, Jack McKay <jack.mckay at verizon.net > wrote: > I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one of these units has been installed on the roof of La >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Casa
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Community
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Center. That's where we hold our monthly ANC meetings,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wondering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if this router on the roof could give us access to the >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meetings. > -- Jack McKay > Secretary, ANC1D > > > ANC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1-D,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mount
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pleasant,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Single Member District 1D03 > 3200 19th St NW, DC 20010 >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ph.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 202-462-8692
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fax 202-265-7430 > http://DCJack.org -- Preston Rhea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Program
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Associate,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Technology Institute New America Foundation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1-202-570-9770
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> preston.rhea Twitter: @prestonrhea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://prestonrhea.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANC 1-D, Mount Pleasant, Single Member District 1D03
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3200 19th St NW, DC 20010
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ph. 202-462-8692 fax 202-265-7430
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://DCJack.org ANC 1-D, Mount Pleasant, Single Member
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> District
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1D03
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3200 19th St NW, DC 20010
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ph. 202-462-8692 fax 202-265-7430
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://DCJack.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANC 1-D, Mount Pleasant, Single Member District 1D03
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3200 19th St NW, DC 20010
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ph. 202-462-8692 fax 202-265-7430
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://DCJack.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANC 1-D, Mount Pleasant, Single Member District 1D03
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3200 19th St NW, DC 20010
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ph. 202-462-8692 fax 202-265-7430
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://DCJack.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANC 1-D, Mount Pleasant, Single Member District 1D03
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3200 19th St NW, DC 20010
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ph. 202-462-8692 fax 202-265-7430
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://DCJack.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANC 1-D, Mount Pleasant, Single Member District 1D03
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3200 19th St NW, DC 20010
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ph. 202-462-8692 fax 202-265-7430
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://DCJack.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANC 1-D, Mount Pleasant, Single Member District 1D03
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3200 19th St NW, DC 20010
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ph. 202-462-8692 fax 202-265-7430
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://DCJack.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preston Rhea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Program Associate, Open Technology Institute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New America Foundation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1-202-570-9770
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: preston.rhea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @prestonrhea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://prestonrhea.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANC 1-D, Mount Pleasant, Single Member District 1D03
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3200 19th St NW, DC 20010
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ph. 202-462-8692 fax 202-265-7430
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://DCJack.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preston Rhea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Program Associate, Open Technology Institute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New America Foundation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1-202-570-9770
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: preston.rhea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @prestonrhea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://prestonrhea.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANC 1-D, Mount Pleasant, Single Member District 1D03
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3200 19th St NW, DC 20010
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ph. 202-462-8692 fax 202-265-7430
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://DCJack.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preston Rhea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Field Analyst, Open Technology Institute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New America Foundation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1-202-570-9770
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: preston.rhea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @prestonrhea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://prestonrhea.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preston Rhea
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Field Analyst, Open Technology Institute
>>>>>>>>>>>>> New America Foundation
>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1-202-570-9770
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: preston.rhea
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @prestonrhea
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://prestonrhea.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ANC 1-D, Mount Pleasant, Single Member District 1D03
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3200 19th St NW, DC 20010
>>>>>>>>>>>> ph. 202-462-8692 fax 202-265-7430
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://DCJack.org
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Preston Rhea
>>>>>>>>> Field Analyst, Open Technology Institute
>>>>>>>>> New America Foundation
>>>>>>>>> +1-202-570-9770
>>>>>>>>> Skype: preston.rhea
>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @prestonrhea
>>>>>>>>> http://prestonrhea.org/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ANC 1-D, Mount Pleasant, Single Member District 1D03
>>>>>>>> 3200 19th St NW, DC 20010
>>>>>>>> ph. 202-462-8692 fax 202-265-7430
>>>>>>>> http://DCJack.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Preston Rhea
>>>>>>> Field Analyst, Open Technology Institute
>>>>>>> New America Foundation
>>>>>>> +1-202-570-9770
>>>>>>> Skype: preston.rhea
>>>>>>> Twitter: @prestonrhea
>>>>>>> http://prestonrhea.org/
>>>>>>>
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