[Commotion-discuss] concerns about the NYT / mo jo mesh articles

[Dan Staples]

Maybe something like this?
http://spectrum.ieee.org/geek-life/hands-on/a-diy-tor-wifi-access-point

On 11/15/2013 06:03 PM, Anderson Walworth wrote:
> And when Obama hits the internet switch.. "Drat..it won't  work on
> Commotion.... deploy the EMP drones!" jk
> 
>  I second the VPN but it isn't usually easy to set up maybe there is an
> alternative software.
> 
> We need a free open source 100% secure proxy/gateway we can set all of
> the routers to that connect to the internet. Anyone have one?
> 
> Anderson
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 9:02 PM, Ben West <ben at gowasabi.net
> <mailto:ben at gowasabi.net>> wrote:
> 
>     Here is the Mother Jones article being mentioned.  First time I saw it.
>     http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/08/mesh-internet-privacy-nsa-isp
> 
>     An obvious weakness to this premise of using neighhorhood-wide mesh
>     networks to preserve privacy is that the underlying reliance on
>     /wireless/ makes the task of eavesdropping just that much easier.  I
>     believe this is what Julian Priest was explicitly warning about
>     during his surprise talk at the Berlin summit last month.
> 
>     Plus, very few community meshes that provide Internet access are not
>     able to do much more than the "last mile," meaning they still rely
>     on conventional telcos in one form or another for their uplinks,
>     just at somewhat higher levels than individuals.
> 
>     Better integration of VPN layers could indeed help reduce the
>     vulnerability to eavesdropping, although that would very likely
>     incur unappealing performance penalties.  However, there is still
>     the fact you're actively broadcasting all your data, for any
>     adequately equipped parties (whether you want them to be or not) to
>     listen in.  This isn't unique, we already do this compulsively with
>     mobile phones.
> 
>     I would hope that this current trend of framing community mesh
>     networks as tools again surveillance doesn't eclipse the parallel
>     motivation of also building such meshes for economic reasons.  And
>     likewise that it doesn't distract from the deployment of adhoc
>     meshes during emergencies.
> 
> 
> 
>     On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Anthony Townsend <amt3 at nyu.edu
>     <mailto:amt3 at nyu.edu>> wrote:
> 
>         i agree - great this is being seen as a movement.
> 
>         is anyone else disturbed by the trend towards painting this as a
>         potential threat to national security? you are all a bunch of
>         renegades trying to hide from the NSA?
> 
>         whether that’s true or not, its an incredibly sensational angle
>         and creates the potential for serious backlash. when i read both
>         of these articles in my mind i immediately saw Verizon lobbyists
>         descending on Trenton with re-prints and legislation blocking
>         mesh networks attached.
> 
>         maybe I’m paranoid but this reminds me very much of the days
>         when NYCwireless were being called “wireless pirates” even
>         though we weren’t doing anything illegal. then Philly, then all
>         the steakhouse bans on muni.
> 
>         maybe this is not the place for it, but just wanted to raise a
>         counterpoint to all the high-5ing
> 
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