[Commotion-discuss] concerns about the NYT / mo jo mesh articles
Dan Staples
danstaples at opentechinstitute.org
Mon Nov 18 14:55:56 UTC 2013
Maybe something like this?
http://spectrum.ieee.org/geek-life/hands-on/a-diy-tor-wifi-access-point
On 11/15/2013 06:03 PM, Anderson Walworth wrote:
> And when Obama hits the internet switch.. "Drat..it won't work on
> Commotion.... deploy the EMP drones!" jk
>
> I second the VPN but it isn't usually easy to set up maybe there is an
> alternative software.
>
> We need a free open source 100% secure proxy/gateway we can set all of
> the routers to that connect to the internet. Anyone have one?
>
> Anderson
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> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 9:02 PM, Ben West <ben at gowasabi.net
> <mailto:ben at gowasabi.net>> wrote:
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> Here is the Mother Jones article being mentioned. First time I saw it.
> http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/08/mesh-internet-privacy-nsa-isp
>
> An obvious weakness to this premise of using neighhorhood-wide mesh
> networks to preserve privacy is that the underlying reliance on
> /wireless/ makes the task of eavesdropping just that much easier. I
> believe this is what Julian Priest was explicitly warning about
> during his surprise talk at the Berlin summit last month.
>
> Plus, very few community meshes that provide Internet access are not
> able to do much more than the "last mile," meaning they still rely
> on conventional telcos in one form or another for their uplinks,
> just at somewhat higher levels than individuals.
>
> Better integration of VPN layers could indeed help reduce the
> vulnerability to eavesdropping, although that would very likely
> incur unappealing performance penalties. However, there is still
> the fact you're actively broadcasting all your data, for any
> adequately equipped parties (whether you want them to be or not) to
> listen in. This isn't unique, we already do this compulsively with
> mobile phones.
>
> I would hope that this current trend of framing community mesh
> networks as tools again surveillance doesn't eclipse the parallel
> motivation of also building such meshes for economic reasons. And
> likewise that it doesn't distract from the deployment of adhoc
> meshes during emergencies.
>
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> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Anthony Townsend <amt3 at nyu.edu
> <mailto:amt3 at nyu.edu>> wrote:
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> i agree - great this is being seen as a movement.
>
> is anyone else disturbed by the trend towards painting this as a
> potential threat to national security? you are all a bunch of
> renegades trying to hide from the NSA?
>
> whether that’s true or not, its an incredibly sensational angle
> and creates the potential for serious backlash. when i read both
> of these articles in my mind i immediately saw Verizon lobbyists
> descending on Trenton with re-prints and legislation blocking
> mesh networks attached.
>
> maybe I’m paranoid but this reminds me very much of the days
> when NYCwireless were being called “wireless pirates” even
> though we weren’t doing anything illegal. then Philly, then all
> the steakhouse bans on muni.
>
> maybe this is not the place for it, but just wanted to raise a
> counterpoint to all the high-5ing
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