[Commotion-discuss] concerns about the NYT / mo jo mesh articles

[Evan Hutchison]

I agree 100% that there is a demonization of these efforts and it spans all
emergent technologies that are posing challenges to centralized modes of
governance and production.  This is why I am working from the angle of
emergency response-  if we can get mesh networks out there that literally
save lives when big telcos and governments fail, then it will serve as
effective public diplomacy.  This is why, among many reasons, I love the
Red Hook project.




On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Dan Staples <
danstaples at opentechinstitute.org> wrote:

> Maybe something like this?
> http://spectrum.ieee.org/geek-life/hands-on/a-diy-tor-wifi-access-point
>
> On 11/15/2013 06:03 PM, Anderson Walworth wrote:
> > And when Obama hits the internet switch.. "Drat..it won't  work on
> > Commotion.... deploy the EMP drones!" jk
> >
> >  I second the VPN but it isn't usually easy to set up maybe there is an
> > alternative software.
> >
> > We need a free open source 100% secure proxy/gateway we can set all of
> > the routers to that connect to the internet. Anyone have one?
> >
> > Anderson
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 9:02 PM, Ben West <ben at gowasabi.net
> > <mailto:ben at gowasabi.net>> wrote:
> >
> >     Here is the Mother Jones article being mentioned.  First time I saw
> it.
> >
> http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/08/mesh-internet-privacy-nsa-isp
> >
> >     An obvious weakness to this premise of using neighhorhood-wide mesh
> >     networks to preserve privacy is that the underlying reliance on
> >     /wireless/ makes the task of eavesdropping just that much easier.  I
> >     believe this is what Julian Priest was explicitly warning about
> >     during his surprise talk at the Berlin summit last month.
> >
> >     Plus, very few community meshes that provide Internet access are not
> >     able to do much more than the "last mile," meaning they still rely
> >     on conventional telcos in one form or another for their uplinks,
> >     just at somewhat higher levels than individuals.
> >
> >     Better integration of VPN layers could indeed help reduce the
> >     vulnerability to eavesdropping, although that would very likely
> >     incur unappealing performance penalties.  However, there is still
> >     the fact you're actively broadcasting all your data, for any
> >     adequately equipped parties (whether you want them to be or not) to
> >     listen in.  This isn't unique, we already do this compulsively with
> >     mobile phones.
> >
> >     I would hope that this current trend of framing community mesh
> >     networks as tools again surveillance doesn't eclipse the parallel
> >     motivation of also building such meshes for economic reasons.  And
> >     likewise that it doesn't distract from the deployment of adhoc
> >     meshes during emergencies.
> >
> >
> >
> >     On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Anthony Townsend <amt3 at nyu.edu
> >     <mailto:amt3 at nyu.edu>> wrote:
> >
> >         i agree - great this is being seen as a movement.
> >
> >         is anyone else disturbed by the trend towards painting this as a
> >         potential threat to national security? you are all a bunch of
> >         renegades trying to hide from the NSA?
> >
> >         whether that’s true or not, its an incredibly sensational angle
> >         and creates the potential for serious backlash. when i read both
> >         of these articles in my mind i immediately saw Verizon lobbyists
> >         descending on Trenton with re-prints and legislation blocking
> >         mesh networks attached.
> >
> >         maybe I’m paranoid but this reminds me very much of the days
> >         when NYCwireless were being called “wireless pirates” even
> >         though we weren’t doing anything illegal. then Philly, then all
> >         the steakhouse bans on muni.
> >
> >         maybe this is not the place for it, but just wanted to raise a
> >         counterpoint to all the high-5ing
> >
> >
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