[Cu-wireless] Re: Cu-wireless BRYAN - read 1st msg.

Tue Apr 9 12:28:37 CDT 2002

BRYAN - eGix has responded to their request for an ISP partner.

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>    1. Local ISP (Robert Gallup)
>    2. Meeting Times (Paul King)
>    3. RE: Thinking ahead (Jeffrey Holewinski)
>    4. Re: Thinking ahead (by way of Illustrious niteshad
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> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:48:14 -0500
> From: "Robert Gallup" <rgallup at egix.com>
> To: <cu-wireless at lists.groogroo.com>
> Subject: [Cu-wireless] Local ISP
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> I have been a member of your list since we purchased AdvanceNet in CU a
> year ago.  eGIX may be interested in further pursuing the topic Ralph
> mentioned.
>
> Once you formulate your strategy please contact me so we can discuss.
> Thanks,
> Bob
> Robert P. Gallup
> Executive VP - Sales & Marketing
> (317) 290-5500
> eGIX, Inc.
> www.egix.com
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> Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 08:59:16 -0500
> From: Ralph Johnson <johnson at cs.uiuc.edu>
> To: <cu-wireless at lists.groogroo.com>
> Subject: [Cu-wireless] Thinking ahead
>
> The CUGWIP home page has a paragraph about how a "random for profit ISP"
> could get involved.  Are there any representatives of these
> organizations
> who are involved?  If not, do you know people who work at one?
>
> I imagine we all have different visions of the future of the CU wireless
> system.  My vision is that anybody, in any part of town, could get a
> free
> connection.  But connection to what?  A free connection to the internet
> doesn't seem feasible.  If traffic starts to grow and the ISPs discover
> that
> a large part of their traffic (i.e. costs) is due to freeloaders, they
> will
> get upset and do something about it.  So, there will have to be other
> ways
> of going to the internet besides using a piece of someone's cable modem.
> The group could rent a T3 line, but that is expensive.  Who will pay for
> it?
>
> My suggestion is that what people get for free is a connection to any
> place
> in town.  You don't get a connection to the internet unless you make
> some
> arrangements.  The ISPs will sell you a piece of their pipe for so much
> per
> month.  Visitors could also buy a few days of access on their credit
> card or
> by PayPal.  The ISPs will have antennas to tap into the community net,
> which
> will also contribute to the infrastructure.  But they will be looking to
> make money off of this, not thinking of it as just for the good of the
> community. =20
>
> If this is true, we should get at least one ISP involved.  It would help
> the
> network grow to have that kind of support.
>
> On a related topic, the university should be involved.  They could put
> up a
> few antennas, convince students to tap into the wireless net, and get
> rid of
> a bunch of modems and phone lines.  They would NOT be expected to pass
> packets to the internet, but they would be expected to pass packets from
> one
> of their antennas to another.  In other words, the campus should be part
> of
> the grid, not just make use of it.  I'm an university employee, so I am
> probably a good person to look into this if nobody better is available.
>
> -Ralph Johnson
>
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> Message: 2
> From: "Bruce Best (CRO)" <bestb at lao.on.ca>
> To: "'cu-wireless at lists.groogroo.com.'" <cu-wireless at lists.groogroo.com>
> Cc: "'dyoung at pobox.com'" <dyoung at pobox.com>
> Subject: Re: [Cu-wireless] DWL-520 saga continues.
> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 12:02:55 -0400=20
>
> Saw your posting about the DWL-520 through a Google search; I also went
> through a lot of head scratching trying to figure out why it would only
> work
> in certain computers.
>
> I bought the card to put in my linux gateway, which was a Pentium 133.
> The
> problem for me, it turns out, is that the DWL-520 _requires_ a PCI 2.2
> compliant mainboard. This means forget about using it in anything
> earlier
> than a Pentium-II.=20
>
> This was confirmed in an email from D-Link technical support. They have
> yet
> to respond to my question of why this compatibility issue is not
> mentioned
> on the box, in the documentation, or on the website.=20
>
> Bruce
>
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> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:25:50 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Paul King <thx at prairienet.org>
> To: cu-wireless at lists.groogroo.com
> Subject: [Cu-wireless] Meeting Times
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I just stumbled across your shenanigans while I was reading the Seattle
> Wireless page last week and I was ecstatic that there is a group here in
> town that is trying to build a wireless network.  I stopped by the IMC to
> attend a meeting yesterday, but no one was there from your group.  Do you
> meet regularly? How might I become involved?
>
> On another note, I would like to respond to Ralph Johnson about the
> University.  I am a student in Library and Information Science which, as
> you may well know, runs prairie.net. They are in the perfect condition to
> work with you guys right now.  In fact, I am taking a summer class
> entitled "Emerging Wireless Networks" which they are offering as a way to
> begin thinking about the wireless transition. I would like to combine my
> work for this class with something for you.  Anyway, just to let you know
> that I am in a unique position here.
>
> -->Paul King
>
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> Message: 3
> From: "Jeffrey Holewinski" <jeffh at aceinternetsolutions.com>
> To: <cu-wireless at lists.groogroo.com>
> Subject: RE: [Cu-wireless] Thinking ahead
> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:45:29 -0600
>
> Since we are already set up in Chicago doing what you are trying to set
up,
> we wold be happy to assist you in any way possible.  I would be happy to
> attend one of your meeting, if someone could get back to me with a time
and
> place.  A joint venture thing would be right up our alley.
>
> Jeffrey Holewinski
> President, Ace Internet Solutions
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cu-wireless-admin at lists.groogroo.com
> [mailto:cu-wireless-admin at lists.groogroo.com]On Behalf Of Ralph Johnson
> Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 7:59 AM
> To: cu-wireless at lists.groogroo.com
> Subject: [Cu-wireless] Thinking ahead
>
>
> The CUGWIP home page has a paragraph about how a "random for profit ISP"
> could get involved.  Are there any representatives of these organizations
> who are involved?  If not, do you know people who work at one?
>
> I imagine we all have different visions of the future of the CU wireless
> system.  My vision is that anybody, in any part of town, could get a free
> connection.  But connection to what?  A free connection to the internet
> doesn't seem feasible.  If traffic starts to grow and the ISPs discover
that
> a large part of their traffic (i.e. costs) is due to freeloaders, they
will
> get upset and do something about it.  So, there will have to be other ways
> of going to the internet besides using a piece of someone's cable modem.
> The group could rent a T3 line, but that is expensive.  Who will pay for
it?
>
> My suggestion is that what people get for free is a connection to any
place
> in town.  You don't get a connection to the internet unless you make some
> arrangements.  The ISPs will sell you a piece of their pipe for so much
per
> month.  Visitors could also buy a few days of access on their credit card
or
> by PayPal.  The ISPs will have antennas to tap into the community net,
which
> will also contribute to the infrastructure.  But they will be looking to
> make money off of this, not thinking of it as just for the good of the
> community.
>
> If this is true, we should get at least one ISP involved.  It would help
the
> network grow to have that kind of support.
>
> On a related topic, the university should be involved.  They could put up
a
> few antennas, convince students to tap into the wireless net, and get rid
of
> a bunch of modems and phone lines.  They would NOT be expected to pass
> packets to the internet, but they would be expected to pass packets from
one
> of their antennas to another.  In other words, the campus should be part
of
> the grid, not just make use of it.  I'm an university employee, so I am
> probably a good person to look into this if nobody better is available.
>
> -Ralph Johnson
>
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> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 05:56:06 +0200 (MEST)
> To: cu-wireless at lists.groogroo.com
> From: niteshad at whopper.de (by way of Illustrious niteshad
<niteshad at whopper.de>)
> Subject: Re: [Cu-wireless] Thinking ahead
>
> Hello Ralph,
>
> At present, we don't have contacts with any of the ISPs in town.
> However, our project is not yet at the point where we could utilize such
> assistance.  We're still working on building what Zach Miller has dubbed
our "testbed"
> network on Race Street.  The idea currently in vogue is that we
> collectively purchase several business class DSL lines or possibly T-1s,
if the
> bandwidth needs are there, and spread the cost out among all of our
members and
> users.  If bandwidth is purchased in this way, the ISPs have no say
regarding
> what we're doing, as its perfectly legal to resell bandwidth from a T-1
> connection, etc.   Unlike some of the other wireless projects, we're
attempting
> to construct our network in a legally responsible way.
> As for connecting our network with UIUC for anything, we're very
> reticent.  The main problem is dealing with the so-called "Tragedy of the
Commons"
> which will occur when we connect our broadband network with 36,000+ MP3
and
> DIVX starved college students.  Some of my contacts in NCSA have said that
> UIUC upgraded its backbone from 100Base-T to Gigabit Ethernet because the
100
> Mb network was at maximum capacity.  When the upgrade was complete, the
> Gigabit network was also very quickly maxed out.  My opinion is that if
UIUC
> wants wireless, they have the know-how and the budget to do it and run it
> themselves; such a project is well outside of any purview of CU-wireless.
Please
> keep in mind that we're currently operating our own project on no budget,
> pringles cans and our own hardware, with a small amount borrowed or begged
> from other institutions.
>
> best regards,
>
> Mark
>
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