[Cu-wireless] Re: Cu-wireless BRYAN - read 1st msg.

Tue Apr 9 14:13:59 CDT 2002

I am baffled.

Dave

On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 12:28:37PM -0500, Eric Sizemore wrote:
> 
> BRYAN - eGix has responded to their request for an ISP partner.
> 
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> Subject: Cu-wireless digest, Vol 1 #100 - 4 msgs
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> > Today's Topics:
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> >    1. Local ISP (Robert Gallup)
> >    2. Meeting Times (Paul King)
> >    3. RE: Thinking ahead (Jeffrey Holewinski)
> >    4. Re: Thinking ahead (by way of Illustrious niteshad
> <niteshad at whopper.de>)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:48:14 -0500
> > From: "Robert Gallup" <rgallup at egix.com>
> > To: <cu-wireless at lists.groogroo.com>
> > Subject: [Cu-wireless] Local ISP
> >
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> > I have been a member of your list since we purchased AdvanceNet in CU a
> > year ago.  eGIX may be interested in further pursuing the topic Ralph
> > mentioned.
> >
> > Once you formulate your strategy please contact me so we can discuss.
> > Thanks,
> > Bob
> > Robert P. Gallup
> > Executive VP - Sales & Marketing
> > (317) 290-5500
> > eGIX, Inc.
> > www.egix.com
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 6:38 AM
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> > Subject: Cu-wireless digest, Vol 1 #99 - 2 msgs
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> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >    1. Thinking ahead (Ralph Johnson)
> >    2. Re: DWL-520 saga continues. (Bruce Best (CRO))
> >
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 08:59:16 -0500
> > From: Ralph Johnson <johnson at cs.uiuc.edu>
> > To: <cu-wireless at lists.groogroo.com>
> > Subject: [Cu-wireless] Thinking ahead
> >
> > The CUGWIP home page has a paragraph about how a "random for profit ISP"
> > could get involved.  Are there any representatives of these
> > organizations
> > who are involved?  If not, do you know people who work at one?
> >
> > I imagine we all have different visions of the future of the CU wireless
> > system.  My vision is that anybody, in any part of town, could get a
> > free
> > connection.  But connection to what?  A free connection to the internet
> > doesn't seem feasible.  If traffic starts to grow and the ISPs discover
> > that
> > a large part of their traffic (i.e. costs) is due to freeloaders, they
> > will
> > get upset and do something about it.  So, there will have to be other
> > ways
> > of going to the internet besides using a piece of someone's cable modem.
> > The group could rent a T3 line, but that is expensive.  Who will pay for
> > it?
> >
> > My suggestion is that what people get for free is a connection to any
> > place
> > in town.  You don't get a connection to the internet unless you make
> > some
> > arrangements.  The ISPs will sell you a piece of their pipe for so much
> > per
> > month.  Visitors could also buy a few days of access on their credit
> > card or
> > by PayPal.  The ISPs will have antennas to tap into the community net,
> > which
> > will also contribute to the infrastructure.  But they will be looking to
> > make money off of this, not thinking of it as just for the good of the
> > community. =20
> >
> > If this is true, we should get at least one ISP involved.  It would help
> > the
> > network grow to have that kind of support.
> >
> > On a related topic, the university should be involved.  They could put
> > up a
> > few antennas, convince students to tap into the wireless net, and get
> > rid of
> > a bunch of modems and phone lines.  They would NOT be expected to pass
> > packets to the internet, but they would be expected to pass packets from
> > one
> > of their antennas to another.  In other words, the campus should be part
> > of
> > the grid, not just make use of it.  I'm an university employee, so I am
> > probably a good person to look into this if nobody better is available.
> >
> > -Ralph Johnson
> >
> >
> > -- __--__--
> >
> > Message: 2
> > From: "Bruce Best (CRO)" <bestb at lao.on.ca>
> > To: "'cu-wireless at lists.groogroo.com.'" <cu-wireless at lists.groogroo.com>
> > Cc: "'dyoung at pobox.com'" <dyoung at pobox.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Cu-wireless] DWL-520 saga continues.
> > Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 12:02:55 -0400=20
> >
> > Saw your posting about the DWL-520 through a Google search; I also went
> > through a lot of head scratching trying to figure out why it would only
> > work
> > in certain computers.
> >
> > I bought the card to put in my linux gateway, which was a Pentium 133.
> > The
> > problem for me, it turns out, is that the DWL-520 _requires_ a PCI 2.2
> > compliant mainboard. This means forget about using it in anything
> > earlier
> > than a Pentium-II.=20
> >
> > This was confirmed in an email from D-Link technical support. They have
> > yet
> > to respond to my question of why this compatibility issue is not
> > mentioned
> > on the box, in the documentation, or on the website.=20
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >
> >
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:25:50 -0500 (CDT)
> > From: Paul King <thx at prairienet.org>
> > To: cu-wireless at lists.groogroo.com
> > Subject: [Cu-wireless] Meeting Times
> >
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > I just stumbled across your shenanigans while I was reading the Seattle
> > Wireless page last week and I was ecstatic that there is a group here in
> > town that is trying to build a wireless network.  I stopped by the IMC to
> > attend a meeting yesterday, but no one was there from your group.  Do you
> > meet regularly? How might I become involved?
> >
> > On another note, I would like to respond to Ralph Johnson about the
> > University.  I am a student in Library and Information Science which, as
> > you may well know, runs prairie.net. They are in the perfect condition to
> > work with you guys right now.  In fact, I am taking a summer class
> > entitled "Emerging Wireless Networks" which they are offering as a way to
> > begin thinking about the wireless transition. I would like to combine my
> > work for this class with something for you.  Anyway, just to let you know
> > that I am in a unique position here.
> >
> > -->Paul King
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 3
> > From: "Jeffrey Holewinski" <jeffh at aceinternetsolutions.com>
> > To: <cu-wireless at lists.groogroo.com>
> > Subject: RE: [Cu-wireless] Thinking ahead
> > Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:45:29 -0600
> >
> > Since we are already set up in Chicago doing what you are trying to set
> up,
> > we wold be happy to assist you in any way possible.  I would be happy to
> > attend one of your meeting, if someone could get back to me with a time
> and
> > place.  A joint venture thing would be right up our alley.
> >
> > Jeffrey Holewinski
> > President, Ace Internet Solutions
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cu-wireless-admin at lists.groogroo.com
> > [mailto:cu-wireless-admin at lists.groogroo.com]On Behalf Of Ralph Johnson
> > Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 7:59 AM
> > To: cu-wireless at lists.groogroo.com
> > Subject: [Cu-wireless] Thinking ahead
> >
> >
> > The CUGWIP home page has a paragraph about how a "random for profit ISP"
> > could get involved.  Are there any representatives of these organizations
> > who are involved?  If not, do you know people who work at one?
> >
> > I imagine we all have different visions of the future of the CU wireless
> > system.  My vision is that anybody, in any part of town, could get a free
> > connection.  But connection to what?  A free connection to the internet
> > doesn't seem feasible.  If traffic starts to grow and the ISPs discover
> that
> > a large part of their traffic (i.e. costs) is due to freeloaders, they
> will
> > get upset and do something about it.  So, there will have to be other ways
> > of going to the internet besides using a piece of someone's cable modem.
> > The group could rent a T3 line, but that is expensive.  Who will pay for
> it?
> >
> > My suggestion is that what people get for free is a connection to any
> place
> > in town.  You don't get a connection to the internet unless you make some
> > arrangements.  The ISPs will sell you a piece of their pipe for so much
> per
> > month.  Visitors could also buy a few days of access on their credit card
> or
> > by PayPal.  The ISPs will have antennas to tap into the community net,
> which
> > will also contribute to the infrastructure.  But they will be looking to
> > make money off of this, not thinking of it as just for the good of the
> > community.
> >
> > If this is true, we should get at least one ISP involved.  It would help
> the
> > network grow to have that kind of support.
> >
> > On a related topic, the university should be involved.  They could put up
> a
> > few antennas, convince students to tap into the wireless net, and get rid
> of
> > a bunch of modems and phone lines.  They would NOT be expected to pass
> > packets to the internet, but they would be expected to pass packets from
> one
> > of their antennas to another.  In other words, the campus should be part
> of
> > the grid, not just make use of it.  I'm an university employee, so I am
> > probably a good person to look into this if nobody better is available.
> >
> > -Ralph Johnson
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cu-wireless mailing list
> > Cu-wireless at lists.groogroo.com
> > http://lists.cu.groogroo.com/cgi-bin/listinfo/cu-wireless
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 05:56:06 +0200 (MEST)
> > To: cu-wireless at lists.groogroo.com
> > From: niteshad at whopper.de (by way of Illustrious niteshad
> <niteshad at whopper.de>)
> > Subject: Re: [Cu-wireless] Thinking ahead
> >
> > Hello Ralph,
> >
> > At present, we don't have contacts with any of the ISPs in town.
> > However, our project is not yet at the point where we could utilize such
> > assistance.  We're still working on building what Zach Miller has dubbed
> our "testbed"
> > network on Race Street.  The idea currently in vogue is that we
> > collectively purchase several business class DSL lines or possibly T-1s,
> if the
> > bandwidth needs are there, and spread the cost out among all of our
> members and
> > users.  If bandwidth is purchased in this way, the ISPs have no say
> regarding
> > what we're doing, as its perfectly legal to resell bandwidth from a T-1
> > connection, etc.   Unlike some of the other wireless projects, we're
> attempting
> > to construct our network in a legally responsible way.
> > As for connecting our network with UIUC for anything, we're very
> > reticent.  The main problem is dealing with the so-called "Tragedy of the
> Commons"
> > which will occur when we connect our broadband network with 36,000+ MP3
> and
> > DIVX starved college students.  Some of my contacts in NCSA have said that
> > UIUC upgraded its backbone from 100Base-T to Gigabit Ethernet because the
> 100
> > Mb network was at maximum capacity.  When the upgrade was complete, the
> > Gigabit network was also very quickly maxed out.  My opinion is that if
> UIUC
> > wants wireless, they have the know-how and the budget to do it and run it
> > themselves; such a project is well outside of any purview of CU-wireless.
> Please
> > keep in mind that we're currently operating our own project on no budget,
> > pringles cans and our own hardware, with a small amount borrowed or begged
> > from other institutions.
> >
> > best regards,
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > --
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> >
> >
> >
> >
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