[Cu-wireless] Re: Cu-wireless digest, Vol 1 #100 - 4 msgs

Tue Apr 9 14:30:20 CDT 2002

I have been on this listserv for several months. I work for Sky Networks, a
local wireless ISP here in Champaign. We are very excited about working with
the local community and expanding wireless service. So of course, we are
interested in pursuing the topic Ralph mentioned.

Feel free to contact me so we can see what our next move is.

Eric Sizemore,
Account Executive
(217) 373-1390
eric at skynetworks.net

SkyNetworks, Inc.
702 South Neil Street
Champaign, IL  61820

"Your Connection to Broadband Internet"

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>    1. Local ISP (Robert Gallup)
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>    3. RE: Thinking ahead (Jeffrey Holewinski)
>    4. Re: Thinking ahead (by way of Illustrious niteshad
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> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:48:14 -0500
> From: "Robert Gallup" <rgallup at egix.com>
> To: <cu-wireless at lists.groogroo.com>
> Subject: [Cu-wireless] Local ISP
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> I have been a member of your list since we purchased AdvanceNet in CU a
> year ago.  eGIX may be interested in further pursuing the topic Ralph
> mentioned.
>
> Once you formulate your strategy please contact me so we can discuss.
> Thanks,
> Bob
> Robert P. Gallup
> Executive VP - Sales & Marketing
> (317) 290-5500
> eGIX, Inc.
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> Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 08:59:16 -0500
> From: Ralph Johnson <johnson at cs.uiuc.edu>
> To: <cu-wireless at lists.groogroo.com>
> Subject: [Cu-wireless] Thinking ahead
>
> The CUGWIP home page has a paragraph about how a "random for profit ISP"
> could get involved.  Are there any representatives of these
> organizations
> who are involved?  If not, do you know people who work at one?
>
> I imagine we all have different visions of the future of the CU wireless
> system.  My vision is that anybody, in any part of town, could get a
> free
> connection.  But connection to what?  A free connection to the internet
> doesn't seem feasible.  If traffic starts to grow and the ISPs discover
> that
> a large part of their traffic (i.e. costs) is due to freeloaders, they
> will
> get upset and do something about it.  So, there will have to be other
> ways
> of going to the internet besides using a piece of someone's cable modem.
> The group could rent a T3 line, but that is expensive.  Who will pay for
> it?
>
> My suggestion is that what people get for free is a connection to any
> place
> in town.  You don't get a connection to the internet unless you make
> some
> arrangements.  The ISPs will sell you a piece of their pipe for so much
> per
> month.  Visitors could also buy a few days of access on their credit
> card or
> by PayPal.  The ISPs will have antennas to tap into the community net,
> which
> will also contribute to the infrastructure.  But they will be looking to
> make money off of this, not thinking of it as just for the good of the
> community. =20
>
> If this is true, we should get at least one ISP involved.  It would help
> the
> network grow to have that kind of support.
>
> On a related topic, the university should be involved.  They could put
> up a
> few antennas, convince students to tap into the wireless net, and get
> rid of
> a bunch of modems and phone lines.  They would NOT be expected to pass
> packets to the internet, but they would be expected to pass packets from
> one
> of their antennas to another.  In other words, the campus should be part
> of
> the grid, not just make use of it.  I'm an university employee, so I am
> probably a good person to look into this if nobody better is available.
>
> -Ralph Johnson
>
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> Message: 2
> From: "Bruce Best (CRO)" <bestb at lao.on.ca>
> To: "'cu-wireless at lists.groogroo.com.'" <cu-wireless at lists.groogroo.com>
> Cc: "'dyoung at pobox.com'" <dyoung at pobox.com>
> Subject: Re: [Cu-wireless] DWL-520 saga continues.
> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 12:02:55 -0400=20
>
> Saw your posting about the DWL-520 through a Google search; I also went
> through a lot of head scratching trying to figure out why it would only
> work
> in certain computers.
>
> I bought the card to put in my linux gateway, which was a Pentium 133.
> The
> problem for me, it turns out, is that the DWL-520 _requires_ a PCI 2.2
> compliant mainboard. This means forget about using it in anything
> earlier
> than a Pentium-II.=20
>
> This was confirmed in an email from D-Link technical support. They have
> yet
> to respond to my question of why this compatibility issue is not
> mentioned
> on the box, in the documentation, or on the website.=20
>
> Bruce
>
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> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:25:50 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Paul King <thx at prairienet.org>
> To: cu-wireless at lists.groogroo.com
> Subject: [Cu-wireless] Meeting Times
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I just stumbled across your shenanigans while I was reading the Seattle
> Wireless page last week and I was ecstatic that there is a group here in
> town that is trying to build a wireless network.  I stopped by the IMC to
> attend a meeting yesterday, but no one was there from your group.  Do you
> meet regularly? How might I become involved?
>
> On another note, I would like to respond to Ralph Johnson about the
> University.  I am a student in Library and Information Science which, as
> you may well know, runs prairie.net. They are in the perfect condition to
> work with you guys right now.  In fact, I am taking a summer class
> entitled "Emerging Wireless Networks" which they are offering as a way to
> begin thinking about the wireless transition. I would like to combine my
> work for this class with something for you.  Anyway, just to let you know
> that I am in a unique position here.
>
> -->Paul King
>
>
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> Message: 3
> From: "Jeffrey Holewinski" <jeffh at aceinternetsolutions.com>
> To: <cu-wireless at lists.groogroo.com>
> Subject: RE: [Cu-wireless] Thinking ahead
> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:45:29 -0600
>
> Since we are already set up in Chicago doing what you are trying to set
up,
> we wold be happy to assist you in any way possible.  I would be happy to
> attend one of your meeting, if someone could get back to me with a time
and
> place.  A joint venture thing would be right up our alley.
>
> Jeffrey Holewinski
> President, Ace Internet Solutions
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cu-wireless-admin at lists.groogroo.com
> [mailto:cu-wireless-admin at lists.groogroo.com]On Behalf Of Ralph Johnson
> Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 7:59 AM
> To: cu-wireless at lists.groogroo.com
> Subject: [Cu-wireless] Thinking ahead
>
>
> The CUGWIP home page has a paragraph about how a "random for profit ISP"
> could get involved.  Are there any representatives of these organizations
> who are involved?  If not, do you know people who work at one?
>
> I imagine we all have different visions of the future of the CU wireless
> system.  My vision is that anybody, in any part of town, could get a free
> connection.  But connection to what?  A free connection to the internet
> doesn't seem feasible.  If traffic starts to grow and the ISPs discover
that
> a large part of their traffic (i.e. costs) is due to freeloaders, they
will
> get upset and do something about it.  So, there will have to be other ways
> of going to the internet besides using a piece of someone's cable modem.
> The group could rent a T3 line, but that is expensive.  Who will pay for
it?
>
> My suggestion is that what people get for free is a connection to any
place
> in town.  You don't get a connection to the internet unless you make some
> arrangements.  The ISPs will sell you a piece of their pipe for so much
per
> month.  Visitors could also buy a few days of access on their credit card
or
> by PayPal.  The ISPs will have antennas to tap into the community net,
which
> will also contribute to the infrastructure.  But they will be looking to
> make money off of this, not thinking of it as just for the good of the
> community.
>
> If this is true, we should get at least one ISP involved.  It would help
the
> network grow to have that kind of support.
>
> On a related topic, the university should be involved.  They could put up
a
> few antennas, convince students to tap into the wireless net, and get rid
of
> a bunch of modems and phone lines.  They would NOT be expected to pass
> packets to the internet, but they would be expected to pass packets from
one
> of their antennas to another.  In other words, the campus should be part
of
> the grid, not just make use of it.  I'm an university employee, so I am
> probably a good person to look into this if nobody better is available.
>
> -Ralph Johnson
>
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> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 05:56:06 +0200 (MEST)
> To: cu-wireless at lists.groogroo.com
> From: niteshad at whopper.de (by way of Illustrious niteshad
<niteshad at whopper.de>)
> Subject: Re: [Cu-wireless] Thinking ahead
>
> Hello Ralph,
>
> At present, we don't have contacts with any of the ISPs in town.
> However, our project is not yet at the point where we could utilize such
> assistance.  We're still working on building what Zach Miller has dubbed
our "testbed"
> network on Race Street.  The idea currently in vogue is that we
> collectively purchase several business class DSL lines or possibly T-1s,
if the
> bandwidth needs are there, and spread the cost out among all of our
members and
> users.  If bandwidth is purchased in this way, the ISPs have no say
regarding
> what we're doing, as its perfectly legal to resell bandwidth from a T-1
> connection, etc.   Unlike some of the other wireless projects, we're
attempting
> to construct our network in a legally responsible way.
> As for connecting our network with UIUC for anything, we're very
> reticent.  The main problem is dealing with the so-called "Tragedy of the
Commons"
> which will occur when we connect our broadband network with 36,000+ MP3
and
> DIVX starved college students.  Some of my contacts in NCSA have said that
> UIUC upgraded its backbone from 100Base-T to Gigabit Ethernet because the
100
> Mb network was at maximum capacity.  When the upgrade was complete, the
> Gigabit network was also very quickly maxed out.  My opinion is that if
UIUC
> wants wireless, they have the know-how and the budget to do it and run it
> themselves; such a project is well outside of any purview of CU-wireless.
Please
> keep in mind that we're currently operating our own project on no budget,
> pringles cans and our own hardware, with a small amount borrowed or begged
> from other institutions.
>
> best regards,
>
> Mark
>
> --
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>
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