[IS4CWN] Fwd: [Ninux-Wireless] Fwd: Re: Inquiries about ticket price from ninux.org
Juergen Neumann
j.neumann at junes.eu
Fri Jun 21 14:39:15 UTC 2013
Hi Saverio,
thank you for sharing your thoughts about this issue. Let me try to get some things right here before there will be more misunderstandings.
First of all everyone is welcome to join IS4CWN. And of course neither NAF/OTI nor freifunk are organizing this event for profit. You should not doubt this at all.
Compared to other events we have done at c-base the summit will be much bigger and international. It requires a lot more planning and logistics, so that an early registration of participants is a prerequisite to help us make it a good event for everyone.
The enterence fee is mainly to cover food and some social events as we want to put most of the funded money into travelling bursaries for people from other countries an continents.
If someone can not afford the fee, then they should just let us know and we will try to find a solution for this on an individual basis.
We are also just recently working on a general discount for community members.
So please do not be unfair. We are trying our best to make everyone happy. I would really appreciate if you and other people from NINUX were joining this international event. Just let us know who needs support.
Greets,
JuergeN
Saverio Proto <zioproto at gmail.com> schrieb:
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>From: Saverio Proto <zioproto at gmail.com>
>Date: 2013/6/19
>Subject: Re: [Ninux-Wireless] Fwd: Re: [IS4CWN] Inquiries about ticket
>price from ninux.org
>To: wireless at ml.ninux.org
>Cc: Roger Baig Viñas <roger.baig at guifi.net>, j.neumann at junes.eu,
>Federico
>Capoano <nemesis at ninux.org>, cven <cven at c-base.org>
>
>
>Hello all,
>
>please forward my email to the proper people, and proper mailing lists.
>
>there is a big talking in the past 3 weeks about the wireless summit at
>the
>C-Base in the beginning of October.
>
>the big talking is about the ticket for entering at the event, that
>shocked
>most of the foreigners that attended previous events at C-Base.
>
>I have been around the C-Base for several years now, and I attended
>many
>wireless events. In all of them we had meals, and all the people were
>really participating. People doing videos, streaming, doing talks.
>People
>freely donated money when arriving, to make everything possible. The
>recent
>Wireless Community Weekend 2013 is a perfect example of that.
>
>In my opinion an event where you have to pay a ticket to get inside is
>not
>representative of this community.
>Anyone should be able to get in without paying the ticket and see what
>we
>have to say.
>
>I have a good job and I can afford both travelling and entrance ticket.
>But
>how I can invite a lot of young students, if we put such barriers ? I
>dont
>feel comfortable inviting young people. Wireless community is not a job
>for
>them , is something they do as activists.
>
>What are these EU projects sponsoring if we need to make people pay a
>ticket to get in ? What are the sponsors for ?
>And morover, event the CCC congress and camping have cheaper tickets !
>
>Because of this, my idea at the moment is NOT to participate. I will be
>at
>the C-Base again for wireless community weekend 2014.
>
>Wireless community is grassroots, it is NOT business. I have the
>feeling
>that the New America Foundation has a "business approach" that does not
>match well with the European way of developing wireless community
>networks.
>
>ciao,
>
>Saverio - Ninux.org
>
>
>
>2013/6/19 Nemesis <nemesis at ninux.org>
>
>> Ho fatto delle domande. Se iniziate a leggere dal fondo trovate
>tutte le
>> risposte in ordine cronologico.
>>
>> Riassumendo, i punti salienti sono:
>>
>> *"**we are recently working on a solution - not just for NINUX but
>for
>> all WCN activists who are willing to join IS4CWN in Berlin.**"**
>>
>> e
>>
>> **"**Registration includes breakfast and lunch on each of the main
>Summit
>> days and we also try to do 1-2 social evenings where we cover as much
>of
>> those costs as well"
>> *
>> Federico
>>
>>
>> -------- Messaggio originale -------- Oggetto: Re: [IS4CWN]
>CWN-Summit
>> Digest, Vol 90, Issue 2 Data: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 10:07:58 -0400
>Mittente: Sascha
>> Meinrath <meinrath at newamerica.net> <meinrath at newamerica.net>
>Rispondi-a: International
>> Summit for Community Wireless Networks Participant E-mail List
>> <cwn-summit at lists.chambana.net> <cwn-summit at lists.chambana.net> A:
>> cwn-summit at lists.chambana.net CC:
>cwn-summit-request at lists.chambana.net
>>
>> Hi Roger (et al.),
>>
>> Since 2004, the Summit has never turned away anyone for inability to
>pay -- this
>> has always been a hallmark of the International Summit for Community
>Wireless
>> Networks. We do, of course, welcome volunteers and other barter
>arrangements,
>> but don't turn people away who would be unable to afford the
>registration costs.
>> Registration includes breakfast and lunch on each of the main Summit
>days and
>> we also try to do 1-2 social evenings where we cover as much of those
>costs as
>> well.
>>
>> --Sascha
>>
>> On 06/19/2013 08:00 AM, cwn-summit-request at lists.chambana.net wrote:
>> > Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 09:59:21 +0200 From: Roger Baig Vi?as
>> > <roger.baig at guifi.net> <roger.baig at guifi.net> To:
>cwn-summit at lists.chambana.net Subject: Re: [IS4CWN]
>> > Inquiries about ticket price from ninux.org Message-ID:
>> > <51C164D9.1040102 at guifi.net> <51C164D9.1040102 at guifi.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Dear
>> > organisers, I suggest that you consider (again[*]) the option of
>offering an
>> > alternative for those who cannot afford the ticket letting the to
>"pay" with
>> > work. There are many activities where these "volunteers" can help:
>video
>> > streaming, attending the chat, being at the registry desk, etc.
>AFAIK this is
>> > quite common in CNs' events and from our (guifi.net) experience I
>can tell you
>> > that usually the work done by them is much worth than the cost of
>the fee they
>> > save (and they know that, but it is ok for them because there are
>other things
>> > they value like the interaction with the organisation and the
>attendees, etc.).
>> > [*] In IS4CWN 2012 all the video recording and streaming was this
>way. It was
>> > something that was arranged a bit unofficially and on-demand, but I
>recommend
>> > this time to formalise it making a public announcement. Regards. On
>06/18/2013
>> > 10:40 PM, Danielle Kehl wrote:
>> >> > Hi Federico,
>> >> >
>> >> > As Juergen said, we are aware of the issue and discussing it
>right now.
>> >> > The ticket price does include a number of meals and social
>events that
>> >> > take place during the Wireless Summit. The registration fees
>help us to
>> >> > cover some of the conference costs, including the venue and
>catering.
>> >> >
>> >> > Best,
>> >> > Danielle
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Juergen Neumann
><j.neumann at junes.eu
>> > <j.neumann at junes.eu>> > <mailto:j.neumann at junes.eu>
><j.neumann at junes.eu>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Hi Federico,
>> >> > I sent an email to Saverio this morning. Due to my recent
>trip to NY
>> >> > there was some delay in taking care of this. I have
>contacted OTI
>> >> > before I left Berlin and we are recently working on a
>solution - not
>> >> > just for NINUX but for all WCN activists who are willing to
>join
>> >> > IS4CWN in Berlin.
>> >> > Greets
>> >> > JuergeN
>> >> > Nemesis <nemesis at ninux.org <mailto:nemesis at ninux.org>
><nemesis at ninux.org>> schrieb:
>> >> > Many people in the community of http://ninux.org ninux.org
>> >> > <http://ninux.org> <http://ninux.org>
>> >> > are interested in coming to
>> >> > the IS4CWN in Berlin, but many have complained about the
>lack in
>> >> > trasnparency of the ticket price, they find 100?
>expensivefor a
>> >> > community event, yet when I told them the price should
>comprises food,
>> >> > they showed interest, yet they would like a definitive
>answer.
>> >> > Some people of ninux tried to contact the people of CBASE
>without
>> >> > success.
>> >> > Are you aware of the issue?
>> >> > Federico
>> >> > CWN-Summit mailing list
>> >> > CWN-Summit at lists.chambana.net
><mailto:CWN-Summit at lists.chambana.net> <CWN-Summit at lists.chambana.net>
>> >> > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/cwn-summit
>> >> > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/cwn-summit
>> >> > http://www.wirelesssummit.org http://www.wirelesssummit.org
>> >> >
>> >> > _______________________________________________
>> >> > CWN-Summit mailing list
>> >> > CWN-Summit at lists.chambana.net
><mailto:CWN-Summit at lists.chambana.net> <CWN-Summit at lists.chambana.net>
>> >> > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/cwn-summit
>> >> > http://www.wirelesssummit.org
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Danielle Kehl
>> >> > Policy Program Associate, Open Technology Institute
>> >> > New America Foundation
>> >> > Phone: (202) 596-3601 <tel:%28202%29%20596-3601>
>> >> > Skype: daniellekehl
>> >> > Twitter: @kehldanielle
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > _______________________________________________
>> >> > CWN-Summit mailing list
>> >> > CWN-Summit at lists.chambana.net
>> >> > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/cwn-summit
>> >> > http://www.wirelesssummit.org
>> >> >
>> > -- Roger Baig Vi?as Fundaci? Privada per a la Xarxa Oberta, Lliure
>i Neutral
>> > guifi.net
>> _______________________________________________
>> CWN-Summit mailing
>listCWN-Summit at lists.chambana.nethttps://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/cwn-summithttp://www.wirelesssummit.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
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Hi Saverio,
thank you for sharing your thoughts about this issue. Let me try to get some things right here before there will be more misunderstandings.
First of all everyone is welcome to join IS4CWN. And of course neither NAF/OTI nor freifunk are organizing this event for profit. You should not doubt this at all.
Compared to other events we have done at c-base the summit will be much bigger and international. It requires a lot more planning and logistics, so that an early registration of participants is a prerequisite to help us make it a good event for everyone.
The enterence fee is mainly to cover food and some social events as we want to put most of the funded money into travelling bursaries for people from other countries an continents.
If someone can not afford the fee, then they should just let us know and we will try to find a solution for this on an individual basis.
We are also just recently working on a general discount for community members.
So please do not be unfair. We are trying our best to make everyone happy. I would really appreciate if you and other people from NINUX were joining this international event. Just let us know who needs support.
Greets,
JuergeN
Saverio Proto <zioproto at gmail.com> schrieb:
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Saverio Proto <zioproto at gmail.com>
Date: 2013/6/19
Subject: Re: [Ninux-Wireless] Fwd: Re: [IS4CWN] Inquiries about ticket
price from http://ninux.org ninux.org
To: wireless at ml.ninux.org
Cc: Roger Baig Viñas <roger.baig at guifi.net>, j.neumann at junes.eu, Federico
Capoano <nemesis at ninux.org>, cven <cven at c-base.org>
Hello all,
please forward my email to the proper people, and proper mailing lists.
there is a big talking in the past 3 weeks about the wireless summit at the
C-Base in the beginning of October.
the big talking is about the ticket for entering at the event, that shocked
most of the foreigners that attended previous events at C-Base.
I have been around the C-Base for several years now, and I attended many
wireless events. In all of them we had meals, and all the people were
really participating. People doing videos, streaming, doing talks. People
freely donated money when arriving, to make everything possible. The recent
Wireless Community Weekend 2013 is a perfect example of that.
In my opinion an event where you have to pay a ticket to get inside is not
representative of this community.
Anyone should be able to get in without paying the ticket and see what we
have to say.
I have a good job and I can afford both travelling and entrance ticket. But
how I can invite a lot of young students, if we put such barriers ? I dont
feel comfortable inviting young people. Wireless community is not a job for
them , is something they do as activists.
What are these EU projects sponsoring if we need to make people pay a
ticket to get in ? What are the sponsors for ?
And morover, event the CCC congress and camping have cheaper tickets !
Because of this, my idea at the moment is NOT to participate. I will be at
the C-Base again for wireless community weekend 2014.
Wireless community is grassroots, it is NOT business. I have the feeling
that the New America Foundation has a "business approach" that does not
match well with the European way of developing wireless community networks.
ciao,
Saverio - http://Ninux.org Ninux.org
2013/6/19 Nemesis <nemesis at ninux.org>
Ho fatto delle domande. Se iniziate a leggere dal fondo trovate tutte le
risposte in ordine cronologico.
Riassumendo, i punti salienti sono:
*"**we are recently working on a solution - not just for NINUX but for
all WCN activists who are willing to join IS4CWN in Berlin.**"**
e
**"**Registration includes breakfast and lunch on each of the main Summit
days and we also try to do 1-2 social evenings where we cover as much of
those costs as well"
*
Federico
-------- Messaggio originale -------- Oggetto: Re: [IS4CWN] CWN-Summit
Digest, Vol 90, Issue 2 Data: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 10:07:58 -0400 Mittente: Sascha
Meinrath <meinrath at newamerica.net> <meinrath at newamerica.net> Rispondi-a: International
Summit for Community Wireless Networks Participant E-mail List
<cwn-summit at lists.chambana.net> <cwn-summit at lists.chambana.net> A:
cwn-summit at lists.chambana.net CC: cwn-summit-request at lists.chambana.net
Hi Roger (et al.),
Since 2004, the Summit has never turned away anyone for inability to pay -- this
has always been a hallmark of the International Summit for Community Wireless
Networks. We do, of course, welcome volunteers and other barter arrangements,
but don't turn people away who would be unable to afford the registration costs.
Registration includes breakfast and lunch on each of the main Summit days and
we also try to do 1-2 social evenings where we cover as much of those costs as
well.
--Sascha
On 06/19/2013 08:00 AM, cwn-summit-request at lists.chambana.net wrote:
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 09:59:21 +0200 From: Roger Baig Vi?as
<roger.baig at guifi.net> <roger.baig at guifi.net> To: cwn-summit at lists.chambana.net Subject: Re: [IS4CWN]
Inquiries about ticket price from http://ninux.org ninux.org
Message-ID:
<51C164D9.1040102 at guifi.net> <51C164D9.1040102 at guifi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Dear
organisers, I suggest that you consider (again[*]) the option of offering an
alternative for those who cannot afford the ticket letting the to "pay" with
work. There are many activities where these "volunteers" can help: video
streaming, attending the chat, being at the registry desk, etc. AFAIK this is
quite common in CNs' events and from our ( http://guifi.net guifi.net
) experience I can tell you
that usually the work done by them is much worth than the cost of the fee they
save (and they know that, but it is ok for them because there are other things
they value like the interaction with the organisation and the attendees, etc.).
[*] In IS4CWN 2012 all the video recording and streaming was this way. It was
something that was arranged a bit unofficially and on-demand, but I recommend
this time to formalise it making a public announcement. Regards. On 06/18/2013
10:40 PM, Danielle Kehl wrote:
Hi Federico,
As Juergen said, we are aware of the issue and discussing it right now.
The ticket price does include a number of meals and social events that
take place during the Wireless Summit. The registration fees help us to
cover some of the conference costs, including the venue and catering.
Best,
Danielle
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Juergen Neumann <j.neumann at junes.eu
<
j.neumann at junes.eu>> > <mailto:j.neumann at junes.eu> <j.neumann at junes.eu>> wrote:
Hi Federico,
I sent an email to Saverio this morning. Due to my recent trip to NY
there was some delay in taking care of this. I have contacted OTI
before I left Berlin and we are recently working on a solution - not
just for NINUX but for all WCN activists who are willing to join
IS4CWN in Berlin.
Greets
JuergeN
Nemesis <nemesis at ninux.org <mailto:nemesis at ninux.org> <nemesis at ninux.org>> schrieb:
Many people in the community of http://ninux.org http://ninux.org
http://ninux.org ninux.org
< http://ninux.org http://ninux.org
> < http://ninux.org http://ninux.org
>
are interested in coming to
the IS4CWN in Berlin, but many have complained about the lack in
trasnparency of the ticket price, they find 100? expensivefor a
community event, yet when I told them the price should comprises food,
they showed interest, yet they would like a definitive answer.
Some people of ninux tried to contact the people of CBASE without
success.
Are you aware of the issue?
Federico
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--
Danielle Kehl
Policy Program Associate, Open Technology Institute
New America Foundation
Phone: (202) 596-3601 <tel:%28202%29%20596-3601>
Skype: daniellekehl
Twitter: @kehldanielle
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