[RFU] Re: [Imc-production] Re: [UCIMC-Tech] production room cleanup > Re: RFU Public Files

Mon Apr 21 21:52:28 CDT 2008

I agree that it might be a good idea to meet up beforehand. I should be
able to make the previously suggested Wednesday 6pm meeting time.

dan blah wrote:
> Some of this has already happened.  I can't find the notes so it's
> only as good as my word and any of those others who were present...
> IIRC, some time ago I brought a proposal to Steering to rename the
> video group to the production group.  The only active members in this
> group until recently have been Danielle, Josh and I.  Recently, Tommy
> has spearheaded and done a *ton* of work to get things moving.  Point
> is, IIRC, the group has actually existed for some time when some time
> ago I brought the dormant Video group back alive by unlocking the list
> and renaming it the Production group after an approved proposal from
> Steering... some time ago IIRC.  This was done sometime before we
> purchased the new production machine and set up the other workstations
> in there.
> 
> Anyone else remember this?  Either way, the below proposal sounds good
> to me except it would be *best* IMO if what is or what will be the
> Production group could meet before Steering to bring a mutually agreed
> upon by all concerned members proposal to Steering.
> 
> On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Danielle Chynoweth <chyn at ojctech.com> wrote:
>> Here's a proposal:
>>
>> Let's convene at IMC Steering Group meeting to discuss the use of the
>> Production Room.  I propose Thursday, May 1st at 8 PM.
>>
>> We would discuss:
>> - The formation of a working group called the Production Group.
>>  - WRFU usage of the Production Room and how the IMC can support WRFU
>> meeting its needs.
>> - Security & access issues.
>> - Ways the production group can help support the building like other groups
>> do.
>>
>> In the meantime, there are plans to clean up the production room this
>> Saturday - those should go forward without removing any WRFU equipment.
>>
>> Here's some historical information:
>>
>> No working group "owns" any particular space in the IMC in any way.  The
>> Steering Group, made up of all groups, manages space allocation and provides
>> groups with space based on their needs.  Groups pay into the building fund
>> based on their ability to contribute - this is not rent and the relationship
>> is not one of tenancy.
>>
>> No group called the "Production Group" exists, although there is a listserv
>> for key access to the Production Room space.  That said, the IMC has a rich
>> history of producing radio and video - and used to have active working
>> groups for both.  The IMC is sorely in need of a production group to manage
>> production activities and welcome public involvement.
>>
>> The radio group waned and funds for radio equipment that it managed were
>> transferred to management by WRFU as long as the funds went for media
>> production equipment.  The video group has been on hiatus for almost 3
>> years, although some folks produce video for UPTV in the production room
>> from time to time.
>>
>> For a working group to exist it must:
>> - Get approval from the Steering Group to be a working group.
>> - Consense on two empowered spokes to represent it at Steering and have
>> those spokes show up.
>> - Manage a listserv which anyone can join.
>>  - Be open to the public and hold public meetings.
>> - Post the notes of its meeting to its listserv and imc at ucimc.org.
>> - Use consensus in its decision making.
>>
>> I applaud that there is finally interest in taking care of the production
>> room.  Yea!  I have personally cleaned it up 3 times in 3 years and it
>> always gets trashed and filled with junk - which is what happens with space
>> when no group is assigned as a caretaker.
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> - Danielle
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 8:29 PM, Andrew Ó Baoill <andrew at funferal.org>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris,
>>>
>>> Thanks for volunteering. As a fellow volunteer I appreciate your
>> contribution to our operations.
>>> I think you misunderstand my comments about the 'production group' - it's
>> not that it has been dormant, it's that there hasn't previously been a
>> production working group. Creating a list to manage code access to the room
>> isn't the same as having a working group that has rights and
>> responsibilities within the IMC structure. I can find no record of a
>> production group being recognized by Steering (or of such a proposal being
>> made), a necessary step for it to be vested with power over access to IMC
>> resources. This may appear pedantic - but a transparent structure and
>> process is necessary for participation to be properly fostered. Creation of
>> an informal group can perhaps occur by fiat, but creation of a group
>> claiming ownership/stewardship of IMC resources (particularly resources as
>> central as our audio and video production) *must* occur in an open and
>> inclusive manner.
>>> In a related vein, I agree with your calls for consensus - my concerns are
>> in part that recent steering meetings have not been announced to the IMC
>> list (as required by our structure document) and this and other issues mean
>> that participation is not being facilitated and encouraged in a manner
>> consistent with our mission or necessary for a healthy IMC community.
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 21, 2008, at 7:53 PM, Chris Ritzo wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'd like it known that I came forward to suggest working on the
>> production workstation, and the production room, to make good on a
>> commitment I made in the tech group meeting a couple months ago to work on
>> the production workstation since Dan and Josh's duties have piled up.
>> Tommy, Dan and others in the shows and tech groups have spearheaded this
>> long before me, so I'm glad you guys spoke up.  My suggestion to move things
>> in or out of that space was to make room in there to work on this project.
>>>> I've only been involved as a volunteer and IMC member for 6-8 months,
>> but one thing I've learned is that no single person makes decisions about
>> the space. And just because a group is inactive doesn't negate its existence
>> or mean that it's been made up. This is a democratically run organization
>> after all, and we need to come to consensus.
>>>> Before I joined the tech group last fall it was Dan and Josh. If
>> requests seem to be taking time, consider that we're all volunteers here and
>> for active members how quickly tasks/requests can pile up.
>>>> I'm not saying this to back out of helping on this project, or to
>> counter your concerns Andrew, but to ask that you give the process a chance
>> and bring the concerns to the appropriate groups to start the discussion.
>> Dan's suggestion of reviving the production group is the right way to go,
>> and all the interested members from other groups should join the list and
>> make the Wed. meeting.  We all believe in the mission of the IMC enough to
>> donate our time, money, and creativity, and in that sense we're all on the
>> same side of this.
>>>> Hope to see you Wednesday.
>>>>
>>>> -Chris
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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