[UCIMC-Tech] [IMC] Bring the U-C IMC's only reliable historical record back to the public please.

[Chris Ritzo]

Dan, I'm going to attempt to restate the technical details-  you're
proposing:

- imc at lists.chambana.net be reinstated as a public list, archives open,
membership open to anyone
-- posts to imc at lists.chambana.net get forwarded to both imc-spokes@ and
imc-members@

- imc-spokes at lists.chambana.net gets created and used for spokes discussion.


You didn't mention this list, but I'm assuming---
- imc-events@ which was created in october for local events posting would
remain in place and is a public list anyone can join to receive updates on
concerts, art exhibits, etc. happening at the IMC.

-CR

On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 6:02 PM, dan blah <blah at chambana.net> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Over the past few months various members have contacted me to discuss
> our organizations history.  Very often the conversation will move
> towards concerns of the U-C IMC moving further and further from its
> original flat member empowered and controlled adhocracy to more of a
> centrally controlled by a few bureaucracy.  Not being the active
> member I was, I often quickly ask for a cite of assertions on the IMC
> General list (imc at lists.chambana.net) where the IMC's Steering Group
> and other working groups had been posting their minutes.  This mailing
> list had for a decade served as the organizations most reliable
> historical record.  Supporting that role, I tell them how important it
> was for me to go all the way to the beginning of that list's archive
> before even becoming a member.  They almost always state their
> intentions to do the same after being told it contains the public
> notes on how the U-C IMC got its name, who's basement the first
> meetings were in, and all the other eclectic blocks that built up to
> the building we all enjoy now.
>
> For me and others who were not part of those early chapters of the U-C
> IMC, having the history there to read, review, and build onto formed
> the core of how we developed our sense of ownership of the U-C IMC.
> In this current time at the U-C IMC where many of the founding members
> and past active members have moved on, access to this history takes on
> an even greater importance.  Unfortunately, that history is no longer
> available to the public or even most members.  Currently, it is only
> available to 35 U-C IMC members.
>
> Thanks to the IMC-Tech folks catching me up, I understand why the list
> is currently private and I am partly at fault for failing to focus on
> the discussion when it took place last year.  All that aside, current
> active local U-C IMC members are still asking me questions about our
> history and now I have no way to cite my knowledge and they have no
> way to learn as much as they want and should be able to about the U-C
> IMC.  To maintain one of the core tenants of being an Indymedia
> Independent Media Center that embodies so much more than just being a
> community center, those archives and future notes and discussions that
> define our organization must be available to all members and the
> public.  I propose that we re-open up the archives that were public
> for nearly a decade and continue to ensure Steering and all other
> working group minutes continue to be public (as they also were for the
> same decade) while respecting and ensuring those needs that lead to
> its privatization remain met.
>
> The technical problems around this make the practical implementation
> of this a bit tricky.  I apologize, the rest of this is a little
> geeky.  As Bob proposed in October, instead of re-purposing the imc@
> mailing list to be the private spokes and core member only list it is
> now, an imc-spokes@ mailing list should have been created and used for
> this purpose.  My assumption is that there was concern about the imc@
> being the most common way people contact the U-C IMC and because of
> this it was easiest to just restrict the imc@ list associated with
> that alias.  What I would have proposed is that the imc@ address via
> aliasing be forwarded to an imc-spokes@ mailing list and the old
> public imc@ mailing list be accessible by emailing imc-members at .  This
> would've preserved the highly search indexed public imc@ mailing list
> archives, allowed a public list for recording as in the past, and
> allowed a restricted private list for more internal functions.  I
> propose that we do this now.  The main issue to this at this point is
> moving those private messages currently on the imc@ mailing list to
> the new imc-spokes@ mailing list and combining the imc-members@
> mailing list with the older busier imc@ mailing list.
>
> All members, lets discuss!  IMC-Tech Group members, please lets
> discuss what holes exist in my tech proposal on the IMC-Tech Group
> list.
>
> In solidarity,
> --
> Dan Blah
>
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