[UCIMC-Tech] [IMC] Bring the U-C IMC's only reliable historical record back to the public please.

[dan blah]

Hey Chris,

For condensing my book ;) Comments below:

On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Chris Ritzo <chris.ritzo at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dan, I'm going to attempt to restate the technical details-  you're
> proposing:
>
> - imc at lists.chambana.net be reinstated as a public list, archives open,
> membership open to anyone
Open archives, yes.  Open for the public to sign up and use, no.  The
use of imc at lists.chambana.net would be what I believe is
imc-members at chambana.net.  If thats so, they should be combined to a
single list.

> -- posts to imc at lists.chambana.net get forwarded to both imc-spokes@ and
> imc-members@
>
Posts to imc at lists.chambana.net get forwarded to what ever list is
handing responding on behalf of the IMC (would be the
imc-spokes at lists.chambana.net list right?)

> - imc-spokes at lists.chambana.net gets created and used for spokes discussion.
>
Yes, assuming this is the current functionality of the
imc at lists.chambana.net mailing list.

> You didn't mention this list, but I'm assuming---
> - imc-events@ which was created in october for local events posting would
> remain in place and is a public list anyone can join to receive updates on
> concerts, art exhibits, etc. happening at the IMC.
>
For sure, I think this is a great idea.  Just out of curiosity, is
this basically an announce list for the shows group?

> -CR
>
> On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 6:02 PM, dan blah <blah at chambana.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> Over the past few months various members have contacted me to discuss
>> our organizations history.  Very often the conversation will move
>> towards concerns of the U-C IMC moving further and further from its
>> original flat member empowered and controlled adhocracy to more of a
>> centrally controlled by a few bureaucracy.  Not being the active
>> member I was, I often quickly ask for a cite of assertions on the IMC
>> General list (imc at lists.chambana.net) where the IMC's Steering Group
>> and other working groups had been posting their minutes.  This mailing
>> list had for a decade served as the organizations most reliable
>> historical record.  Supporting that role, I tell them how important it
>> was for me to go all the way to the beginning of that list's archive
>> before even becoming a member.  They almost always state their
>> intentions to do the same after being told it contains the public
>> notes on how the U-C IMC got its name, who's basement the first
>> meetings were in, and all the other eclectic blocks that built up to
>> the building we all enjoy now.
>>
>> For me and others who were not part of those early chapters of the U-C
>> IMC, having the history there to read, review, and build onto formed
>> the core of how we developed our sense of ownership of the U-C IMC.
>> In this current time at the U-C IMC where many of the founding members
>> and past active members have moved on, access to this history takes on
>> an even greater importance.  Unfortunately, that history is no longer
>> available to the public or even most members.  Currently, it is only
>> available to 35 U-C IMC members.
>>
>> Thanks to the IMC-Tech folks catching me up, I understand why the list
>> is currently private and I am partly at fault for failing to focus on
>> the discussion when it took place last year.  All that aside, current
>> active local U-C IMC members are still asking me questions about our
>> history and now I have no way to cite my knowledge and they have no
>> way to learn as much as they want and should be able to about the U-C
>> IMC.  To maintain one of the core tenants of being an Indymedia
>> Independent Media Center that embodies so much more than just being a
>> community center, those archives and future notes and discussions that
>> define our organization must be available to all members and the
>> public.  I propose that we re-open up the archives that were public
>> for nearly a decade and continue to ensure Steering and all other
>> working group minutes continue to be public (as they also were for the
>> same decade) while respecting and ensuring those needs that lead to
>> its privatization remain met.
>>
>> The technical problems around this make the practical implementation
>> of this a bit tricky.  I apologize, the rest of this is a little
>> geeky.  As Bob proposed in October, instead of re-purposing the imc@
>> mailing list to be the private spokes and core member only list it is
>> now, an imc-spokes@ mailing list should have been created and used for
>> this purpose.  My assumption is that there was concern about the imc@
>> being the most common way people contact the U-C IMC and because of
>> this it was easiest to just restrict the imc@ list associated with
>> that alias.  What I would have proposed is that the imc@ address via
>> aliasing be forwarded to an imc-spokes@ mailing list and the old
>> public imc@ mailing list be accessible by emailing imc-members at .  This
>> would've preserved the highly search indexed public imc@ mailing list
>> archives, allowed a public list for recording as in the past, and
>> allowed a restricted private list for more internal functions.  I
>> propose that we do this now.  The main issue to this at this point is
>> moving those private messages currently on the imc@ mailing list to
>> the new imc-spokes@ mailing list and combining the imc-members@
>> mailing list with the older busier imc@ mailing list.
>>
>> All members, lets discuss!  IMC-Tech Group members, please lets
>> discuss what holes exist in my tech proposal on the IMC-Tech Group
>> list.
>>
>> In solidarity,
>> --
>> Dan Blah
>>
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