[UCIMC-Tech] BTP Email lists
Chris Ritzo
critzo at opentechinstitute.org
Sat Jul 26 11:51:34 EDT 2014
Thanks, Jay. You laid out the situation quite well. Josh King and I have
been discussing the future of Chambana.net recently and this thread does
put a point on part of those plans.
Josh and I both value the chambana.net platform and want it to continue.
The vision is to build a community-owned platform that can be used by
local organizations to host and control their own tech infrastructure.
Both building it and using it as a production service has been tough,
and is the reason for the delays Jay mentioned and in other cases.
We both have attempted to do our part to build tech capacity of
chambana.net, but adding technology always has outpaced people to help
manage it. We need people locally to help envision what Chambana.net
should be in the future and recently had a discussion with some
Makerspace Urbana folks about working with us to build/host a regular
group meetup or training workshop series on Linux system administration.
That's still taking shape, but I think worth mentioning here.
We know that there are folks like you Stewart, and others in the
community that value having Internet services that are locally
controlled and cooperatively managed.
It would be great to turn your and others' interest and expertise in the
Chambana community to help build system administration capacity in
others. Let's talk more if you are interested. Josh and I are working in
earnest right now to prepare chambana.net to be better accessible to
truly run services locally, and/or to serve as a sandbox for the
training/skill sharing I've described above.
So let this be a shout out to similar lurkers on the tech list. We need
your help to grow local sysadmins. I'm on standby to help, albeit
remotely, and I know Josh King is in for that too.
Can we get a group of local folks to start hosting a regular
Chambana.net meeting to help us find a way forward?
In solidarity,
Chris Ritzo
On Sat 26 Jul 2014 11:22:27 AM EDT, Jay Schubert wrote:
> Thanks for your concern, Stewart.
>
> I certainly appreciate that Chambana has been our email list home for
> many years and for the reasons you've mentioned, we've tolerated
> issues with list performance, outages / delayed message delivery and
> user self service challenges (opt-in/ out / manage prefs).
>
> The fact that IMC servers have recently been blacklisted as spammers
> by hotmail and that we're having some apparently unrelated delivery
> issues with yahoo accounts, has rendered our lists un-usable as many
> of our members simply can't receive our messages and continually get
> deactivated due to excessive bounces. I realize that we've done what
> we can to appeal the blacklisting and that we're an all volunteer
> organization that does what we can to make things work, but we rely on
> our lists too heavily to wait-out issues like this, which happen
> periodically and are perhaps all in the game of administering email lists.
>
> At this point, we just need simplicity and reliability, and
> unfortunately our chambana mailman lists have become too much of a
> challenge for me to administer.
>
> thanks,
> - Jay
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Stewart Dickson <mathartspd at gmail.com
> <mailto:mathartspd at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Just a comment from a lurker on the list.
> Not that the content on BTP is any great concern, but
> The NSA is all up in Google's back-end.
> What do you want to go to a monolithic, centralized media monopoly
> for?
> When Chambana.net is all local, decentralized and independent?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Stewart
>
>
> On 7/26/14 9:31 AM, Jay Schubert wrote:
>> Chris,
>>
>> I just finished the last of the migration of the general list and
>> we don't use the zine list any more, so we are good to go with
>> shutting down all four lists.
>>
>> thanks,
>> Jay
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Chris Ritzo <critzo at chambana.net
>> <mailto:critzo at chambana.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Jay,
>> Just wanted to confirm that you're ready for me to archive
>> these lists:
>> btp-keystaff at lists.chambana.net
>> <mailto:btp-keystaff at lists.chambana.net>
>> btp-jail-libraries at lists.chambana.net
>> <mailto:btp-jail-libraries at lists.chambana.net>
>>
>> And waiting to hear from you on archiving:
>> bookstoprisoners at lists.chambana.net
>> <mailto:bookstoprisoners at lists.chambana.net>
>>
>> Also, you have this list:
>> btp-zine at lists.chambana.net
>> <mailto:btp-zine at lists.chambana.net>
>>
>> Just send me a confirmation and I'll get the first two
>> archived and the
>> status of the other two.
>>
>> -Chris
>>
>>
>>
>> On 07/24/2014 03:54 PM, Jay Schubert wrote:
>> > thanks. No rush. This weekend is fine. By then we can do
>> keystaff and
>> > jail librarians. I'll let you know if the migration of our
>> general list
>> > is complete by then too.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Chris Ritzo
>> <critzo at chambana.net <mailto:critzo at chambana.net>
>> > <mailto:critzo at chambana.net <mailto:critzo at chambana.net>>>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Jay,
>> >
>> > Thanks for clarifying. I can definitely help with the
>> decommisioning of
>> > lists. Archives can remain online, which is the
>> technical default. It
>> > makes sense for my schedule to make some changes for
>> you over the
>> > weekend. If you need the chambana keystaff list
>> decommissioned this
>> > evening, I can do that tonight.
>> >
>> > Just let me know.
>> >
>> > Chris
>> >
>> > On Thu 24 Jul 2014 01:26:37 PM EDT, Jay Schubert wrote:
>> > > Chris,
>> > >
>> > > Thanks. Google is only allowing me to add 100 users
>> every 24 hours,
>> > > but our big list is just 300 people so this isn't a
>> big deal. I
>> > > experimented with invitations and found that direct
>> add eliminates
>> > > most of the confusion (invites ask people to visit
>> the web archive
>> > > then gives them hell if they're not a gmail user or
>> especially if
>> > > they're using an email address that's ever been
>> associated with a
>> > > google account). So far direct add has worked just
>> fine tough, by
>> > > adding them in batches of 10, ten times in a row each
>> day.
>> > >
>> > > The help I need is simply to decommission the lists on
>> > chambana.net <http://chambana.net> <http://chambana.net>
>> > > <http://chambana.net>. I don't know of any DNS
>> change that would be
>> > > required since today people use the chambana list by
>> > > emailing BooksToPrisoners at lists.chambana.net
>> <mailto:BooksToPrisoners at lists.chambana.net>
>> > <mailto:BooksToPrisoners at lists.chambana.net
>> <mailto:BooksToPrisoners at lists.chambana.net>>
>> > > <mailto:BooksToPrisoners at lists.chambana.net
>> <mailto:BooksToPrisoners at lists.chambana.net>
>> > <mailto:BooksToPrisoners at lists.chambana.net
>> <mailto:BooksToPrisoners at lists.chambana.net>>> and after the
>> change they
>> > > will be sending mail to
>> btp-announcements at googlegroups.com
>> <mailto:btp-announcements at googlegroups.com>
>> > <mailto:btp-announcements at googlegroups.com
>> <mailto:btp-announcements at googlegroups.com>>
>> > > <mailto:btp-announcements at googlegroups.com
>> <mailto:btp-announcements at googlegroups.com>
>> > <mailto:btp-announcements at googlegroups.com
>> <mailto:btp-announcements at googlegroups.com>>>. I just want
>> to make
>> > > sure that the old groups are no longer sending mail
>> once we pull the
>> > > trigger and go live.
>> > >
>> > > I think we're ready to do this with
>> > btp-keystaff at lists.chambana.net
>> <mailto:btp-keystaff at lists.chambana.net>
>> <mailto:btp-keystaff at lists.chambana.net
>> <mailto:btp-keystaff at lists.chambana.net>>
>> > > <mailto:btp-keystaff at lists.chambana.net
>> <mailto:btp-keystaff at lists.chambana.net>
>> > <mailto:btp-keystaff at lists.chambana.net
>> <mailto:btp-keystaff at lists.chambana.net>>> today.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > > Jay
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 8:02 PM, Chris Ritzo
>> <critzo at chambana.net <mailto:critzo at chambana.net>
>> > <mailto:critzo at chambana.net <mailto:critzo at chambana.net>>
>> > > <mailto:critzo at chambana.net
>> <mailto:critzo at chambana.net> <mailto:critzo at chambana.net
>> <mailto:critzo at chambana.net>>>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I know that if you're running google apps for
>> business/non-profit,
>> > > then
>> > > you can bulk subscribe people. Is this what you
>> guys are
>> > doing, Jay?
>> > > What specifically are you looking for help with?
>> Migrating users &
>> > > archives? DNS redirect once the switch has been made?
>> > >
>> > > -Chris
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Wed 23 Jul 2014 05:22:10 PM EDT, Stuart Levy
>> wrote:
>> > > > Curious - Jay, do you have a good way to load
>> names into a
>> > Google
>> > > > Groups list?
>> > > >
>> > > > It used to allow uploading a bunch of people and
>> > auto-subscribing
>> > > > them, and that may still be possible, but their
>> anti-spam
>> > provisions
>> > > > make it very difficult. You upload a very
>> small number of
>> > > people at
>> > > > a time, and if you load too many - and they
>> won't tell you
>> > how many
>> > > > that is - then you're locked out and can upload
>> no more for
>> > another
>> > > > day or so. I was able to load a few tens at
>> a time, up to
>> > > most of
>> > > > a hundred per day, when last doing this a
>> couple years ago.
>> > So a
>> > > > 500-person list took more than a week to
>> migrate, including
>> > a few
>> > > > lockouts. I don't know how this compares with
>> the BTP lists.
>> > > >
>> > > > Uploading addresses for people who then get Google
>> > > > invitations-to-subscribe is less restrictive.
>> But unless you
>> > > have a
>> > > > good way of telling people what to expect, most
>> will just
>> > miss the
>> > > > subscription-invitation, or at least won't
>> respond to it.
>> > > >
>> > > > Not sure whether the above is helpful, but if
>> you haven't
>> > > already done
>> > > > that migration, then maybe it'll give you an
>> easier time
>> > than I had.
>> > > > (I don't have access to do the things you'd
>> actually want
>> > tech help
>> > > > with, like getting the existing lists to
>> forward messages to
>> > > your new
>> > > > google groups.)
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On 7/23/14 3:34 PM, Jay Schubert wrote:
>> > > >> Techsters,
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Books to Prisoners has decide to migrate our
>> email lists
>> > over to
>> > > >> Google Groups for spam control, reliability
>> and user experience
>> > > >> issues. We have three lists total on
>> chambana.net <http://chambana.net>
>> > <http://chambana.net>
>> > > <http://chambana.net>
>> > > >> <http://chambana.net> and we will be ready to
>> decommission
>> > them in
>> > > >> the coming days (not immediately).
>> > > >>
>> > > >> We will be starting with *Keystaff*, then
>> *Jail Library*,
>> > then the
>> > > >> *General *list.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Is anyone available to help with this effort?
>> > > >>
>> > > >> thanks,
>> > > >> Jay
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
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