[UCIMC-Tech] BTP Email lists
Stewart Dickson
mathartspd at gmail.com
Mon Jul 28 14:27:35 EDT 2014
Hey,
Would any of the tools here:
http://tech-knowledge.tumblr.com/post/91474742241/digital-first-aid-kit-where-to-turn-when-youre-dosed
Help in repairing Chambana.net's reputation, if it was hijacked by a
spambot?
https://digitaldefenders.org/digitalfirstaid/
-Stewart
On 7/26/14 10:22 AM, Jay Schubert wrote:
> Thanks for your concern, Stewart.
>
> I certainly appreciate that Chambana has been our email list home for
> many years and for the reasons you've mentioned, we've tolerated
> issues with list performance, outages / delayed message delivery and
> user self service challenges (opt-in/ out / manage prefs).
>
> The fact that IMC servers have recently been blacklisted as spammers
> by hotmail and that we're having some apparently unrelated delivery
> issues with yahoo accounts, has rendered our lists un-usable as many
> of our members simply can't receive our messages and continually get
> deactivated due to excessive bounces. I realize that we've done what
> we can to appeal the blacklisting and that we're an all volunteer
> organization that does what we can to make things work, but we rely on
> our lists too heavily to wait-out issues like this, which happen
> periodically and are perhaps all in the game of administering email
> lists.
>
> At this point, we just need simplicity and reliability, and
> unfortunately our chambana mailman lists have become too much of a
> challenge for me to administer.
>
> thanks,
> - Jay
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Stewart Dickson <mathartspd at gmail.com
> <mailto:mathartspd at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Just a comment from a lurker on the list.
> Not that the content on BTP is any great concern, but
> The NSA is all up in Google's back-end.
> What do you want to go to a monolithic, centralized media monopoly
> for?
> When Chambana.net is all local, decentralized and independent?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Stewart
>
>
> On 7/26/14 9:31 AM, Jay Schubert wrote:
>> Chris,
>>
>> I just finished the last of the migration of the general list and
>> we don't use the zine list any more, so we are good to go with
>> shutting down all four lists.
>>
>> thanks,
>> Jay
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Chris Ritzo <critzo at chambana.net
>> <mailto:critzo at chambana.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Jay,
>> Just wanted to confirm that you're ready for me to archive
>> these lists:
>> btp-keystaff at lists.chambana.net
>> <mailto:btp-keystaff at lists.chambana.net>
>> btp-jail-libraries at lists.chambana.net
>> <mailto:btp-jail-libraries at lists.chambana.net>
>>
>> And waiting to hear from you on archiving:
>> bookstoprisoners at lists.chambana.net
>> <mailto:bookstoprisoners at lists.chambana.net>
>>
>> Also, you have this list:
>> btp-zine at lists.chambana.net <mailto:btp-zine at lists.chambana.net>
>>
>> Just send me a confirmation and I'll get the first two
>> archived and the
>> status of the other two.
>>
>> -Chris
>>
>>
>>
>> On 07/24/2014 03:54 PM, Jay Schubert wrote:
>> > thanks. No rush. This weekend is fine. By then we can do
>> keystaff and
>> > jail librarians. I'll let you know if the migration of our
>> general list
>> > is complete by then too.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Chris Ritzo
>> <critzo at chambana.net <mailto:critzo at chambana.net>
>> > <mailto:critzo at chambana.net <mailto:critzo at chambana.net>>>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Jay,
>> >
>> > Thanks for clarifying. I can definitely help with the
>> decommisioning of
>> > lists. Archives can remain online, which is the
>> technical default. It
>> > makes sense for my schedule to make some changes for
>> you over the
>> > weekend. If you need the chambana keystaff list
>> decommissioned this
>> > evening, I can do that tonight.
>> >
>> > Just let me know.
>> >
>> > Chris
>> >
>> > On Thu 24 Jul 2014 01:26:37 PM EDT, Jay Schubert wrote:
>> > > Chris,
>> > >
>> > > Thanks. Google is only allowing me to add 100 users
>> every 24 hours,
>> > > but our big list is just 300 people so this isn't a
>> big deal. I
>> > > experimented with invitations and found that direct
>> add eliminates
>> > > most of the confusion (invites ask people to visit
>> the web archive
>> > > then gives them hell if they're not a gmail user or
>> especially if
>> > > they're using an email address that's ever been
>> associated with a
>> > > google account). So far direct add has worked just
>> fine tough, by
>> > > adding them in batches of 10, ten times in a row each
>> day.
>> > >
>> > > The help I need is simply to decommission the lists on
>> > chambana.net <http://chambana.net> <http://chambana.net>
>> > > <http://chambana.net>. I don't know of any DNS
>> change that would be
>> > > required since today people use the chambana list by
>> > > emailing BooksToPrisoners at lists.chambana.net
>> <mailto:BooksToPrisoners at lists.chambana.net>
>> > <mailto:BooksToPrisoners at lists.chambana.net
>> <mailto:BooksToPrisoners at lists.chambana.net>>
>> > > <mailto:BooksToPrisoners at lists.chambana.net
>> <mailto:BooksToPrisoners at lists.chambana.net>
>> > <mailto:BooksToPrisoners at lists.chambana.net
>> <mailto:BooksToPrisoners at lists.chambana.net>>> and after the
>> change they
>> > > will be sending mail to
>> btp-announcements at googlegroups.com
>> <mailto:btp-announcements at googlegroups.com>
>> > <mailto:btp-announcements at googlegroups.com
>> <mailto:btp-announcements at googlegroups.com>>
>> > > <mailto:btp-announcements at googlegroups.com
>> <mailto:btp-announcements at googlegroups.com>
>> > <mailto:btp-announcements at googlegroups.com
>> <mailto:btp-announcements at googlegroups.com>>>. I just want
>> to make
>> > > sure that the old groups are no longer sending mail
>> once we pull the
>> > > trigger and go live.
>> > >
>> > > I think we're ready to do this with
>> > btp-keystaff at lists.chambana.net
>> <mailto:btp-keystaff at lists.chambana.net>
>> <mailto:btp-keystaff at lists.chambana.net
>> <mailto:btp-keystaff at lists.chambana.net>>
>> > > <mailto:btp-keystaff at lists.chambana.net
>> <mailto:btp-keystaff at lists.chambana.net>
>> > <mailto:btp-keystaff at lists.chambana.net
>> <mailto:btp-keystaff at lists.chambana.net>>> today.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > > Jay
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 8:02 PM, Chris Ritzo
>> <critzo at chambana.net <mailto:critzo at chambana.net>
>> > <mailto:critzo at chambana.net <mailto:critzo at chambana.net>>
>> > > <mailto:critzo at chambana.net
>> <mailto:critzo at chambana.net> <mailto:critzo at chambana.net
>> <mailto:critzo at chambana.net>>>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I know that if you're running google apps for
>> business/non-profit,
>> > > then
>> > > you can bulk subscribe people. Is this what you
>> guys are
>> > doing, Jay?
>> > > What specifically are you looking for help with?
>> Migrating users &
>> > > archives? DNS redirect once the switch has been made?
>> > >
>> > > -Chris
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Wed 23 Jul 2014 05:22:10 PM EDT, Stuart Levy
>> wrote:
>> > > > Curious - Jay, do you have a good way to load
>> names into a
>> > Google
>> > > > Groups list?
>> > > >
>> > > > It used to allow uploading a bunch of people and
>> > auto-subscribing
>> > > > them, and that may still be possible, but their
>> anti-spam
>> > provisions
>> > > > make it very difficult. You upload a very
>> small number of
>> > > people at
>> > > > a time, and if you load too many - and they
>> won't tell you
>> > how many
>> > > > that is - then you're locked out and can upload
>> no more for
>> > another
>> > > > day or so. I was able to load a few tens at
>> a time, up to
>> > > most of
>> > > > a hundred per day, when last doing this a
>> couple years ago.
>> > So a
>> > > > 500-person list took more than a week to
>> migrate, including
>> > a few
>> > > > lockouts. I don't know how this compares with
>> the BTP lists.
>> > > >
>> > > > Uploading addresses for people who then get Google
>> > > > invitations-to-subscribe is less restrictive.
>> But unless you
>> > > have a
>> > > > good way of telling people what to expect, most
>> will just
>> > miss the
>> > > > subscription-invitation, or at least won't
>> respond to it.
>> > > >
>> > > > Not sure whether the above is helpful, but if
>> you haven't
>> > > already done
>> > > > that migration, then maybe it'll give you an
>> easier time
>> > than I had.
>> > > > (I don't have access to do the things you'd
>> actually want
>> > tech help
>> > > > with, like getting the existing lists to
>> forward messages to
>> > > your new
>> > > > google groups.)
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On 7/23/14 3:34 PM, Jay Schubert wrote:
>> > > >> Techsters,
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Books to Prisoners has decide to migrate our
>> email lists
>> > over to
>> > > >> Google Groups for spam control, reliability
>> and user experience
>> > > >> issues. We have three lists total on
>> chambana.net <http://chambana.net>
>> > <http://chambana.net>
>> > > <http://chambana.net>
>> > > >> <http://chambana.net> and we will be ready to
>> decommission
>> > them in
>> > > >> the coming days (not immediately).
>> > > >>
>> > > >> We will be starting with *Keystaff*, then
>> *Jail Library*,
>> > then the
>> > > >> *General *list.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Is anyone available to help with this effort?
>> > > >>
>> > > >> thanks,
>> > > >> Jay
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
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