[IMC-US-Tech] Re: [IMC-US] IMC-US Proposal: DECISION-DEADLINE -- Friday Noon EST.

john duda john at manifestor.org
Mon Aug 9 08:26:42 CDT 2004 

On Sun, Aug 08, 2004 at 08:54:05PM -0700, deva wrote:
> there are no topics selected yet... that would be good to do
> 
> is the current mir site where it is being hosted? does it have enough 
> bandwidth?

it will be moving to a new server in portland, hopefully tonight.  we
will need more bandwidth (static mirrors), but I will ask if we can
use the portland mirror network for starters.

also, we need to think about urls.  the urls of the "prod site" (runs
mir and the database) will be different from the static mirrors.  i
think that indymedia.us(and www.indymedia.us) will have to point to
the static sites, as will us.indymedia.org. the prod site will then
probably be something like publish.us.indymedia.org.  


john




> 
> deva
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 8, 2004, at 5:49 PM, max wrote:
> 
> >I'll send out the proposal again.
> >
> >we have indymedia.us, but us.indymedia.org points to the dada version 
> >of the
> >site.  that should be updated to point to the mir version.
> >
> >we should probably also set up an editorial list in addition to this 
> >one,
> >and start setting up admin accounts as well.
> >
> >max
> >
> >---
> >
> >
> >Quoting Sascha Meinrath <sascha at ucimc.org>:
> >
> >>On Sun, 8 Aug 2004, Tribal Scribal wrote:
> >>
> >>>Sooooo, can we deal w/this addition and conscence on the proposal? We
> >>have
> >>>less than 3 weeks before RNC stuff begins.
> >>
> >>Absolutely -- it looks like there were no outstanding concerns or 
> >>blocks
> >>and we've all agreed.  Let's move forward with implementing the 
> >>website
> >>and getting our initial editorial policy up on the site.  Max, can you
> >>send out a fresh copy of the proposal we've just passed?
> >>
> >>As for next steps, are we ready to do a soft go-live of the website?  
> >>We
> >>probably want to move it over to its final home (server-wise) and then
> >>link from us.indymedia.org -- if we can do that this week, then we can
> >>test a bit and officially go live right before the RNC. How does that
> >>sound for a timeline?
> >>
> >>--Sascha
> >>
> >>
> >>>>From: deva <drdartist at riseup.net>
> >>>>To: imc-us at lists.cu.groogroo.com
> >>>>Subject: Re: [IMC-US] IMC-US Proposal: DECISION-DEADLINE -- Friday
> >>Noon
> >>>>EST.
> >>>>Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:53:02 -0700
> >>>>
> >>>>editorial policy regarding hiding posts to the newswire
> >>>>
> >>>>deva
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>On Jul 28, 2004, at 6:49 PM, Sascha Meinrath wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Chris Anderson wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>agreed. how do we test for consensus on the internet? it seems 
> >>>>>>like
> >>>>>>we've almost got it :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>are there any more concerns on the table that haven't been
> >>addressed?
> >>>>>how about we set a deadline of friday Noon EST for bringing them up
> >>and if
> >>>>>the table remains clear we move forward with implementation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>--sascha
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>--- Tribal Scribal <valeoftheoaks at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>(applause, applause!)  :)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>From: max <max at michiganimc.org>
> >>>>>>>>To: john duda <john at manifestor.org>
> >>>>>>>>CC: imc-us at lists.cu.groogroo.com
> >>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [IMC-US] a proposal
> >>>>>>>>Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:27:57 -0700
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>ok, so the proposal has been amended to include an
> >>>>>>>open publishing newswire
> >>>>>>>>like www.indymedia.org (linked to from the front
> >>>>>>>page but not visible on
> >>>>>>>>the front page).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>I think we're getting somewhere...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>max
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>---
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Quoting john duda <john at manifestor.org>:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>if this is the editorial proposal we want to go
> >>>>>>>with(no open
> >>>>>>>>>publishing, more editorial voice than a purely
> >>>>>>>syndication site), i
> >>>>>>>>>would suggest that we *either* give up the url
> >>>>>>>>>"us.indymedia.org"(leaving us with indymedia.us)
> >>>>>>>and the other
> >>>>>>>>>associated rights of being an "official"
> >>>>>>>imc(syndication by global
> >>>>>>>>>newswire, link in the cities.inc sidebar file)
> >>>>>>>*or* submit the
> >>>>>>>>>proposed editorial policy to imc-process,
> >>>>>>>explaining our reasons for
> >>>>>>>>>not wanting to offer open publishing, in order
> >>>>>>>to give the network a
> >>>>>>>>>chance to object before we launch the site
> >>>>>>>officially.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>personally i'd prefer open-publishing....seems
> >>>>>>>simpler...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>john
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>On Mon, Jul 26, 2004 at 04:14:09PM -0700, max
> >>>>>>>wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>proposed by members of michiganIMC.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>I. "featurewire" policy:
> >>>>>>>>>>fully automated, syndicated wire of all
> >>>>>>>features from US IMCs
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>II. center column policy:
> >>>>>>>>>>-the center column is the place to feature:
> >>>>>>>>>>	1) articles promoted from the featurewire
> >>>>>>>>>>		-these articles will be either:
> >>>>>>>>>>		a) bumped to the center column with no
> >>>>>>>changes from the feature wire
> >>>>>>>>>>		b) bumped to the center column with spelling
> >>>>>>>and grammar corrections
> >>>>>>>>>if
> >>>>>>>>>>needed
> >>>>>>>>>>		c) bumped to the center column with added
> >>>>>>>links and content with the
> >>>>>>>>>>exclusive purpose of adding context for a
> >>>>>>>US-wide 		audience
> >>>>>>>>>>	2) articles written by an editorial team
> >>>>>>>specifically for US-IMC
> >>>>>>>>>>		a) these articles will be written
> >>>>>>>collaboratively over an email
> >>>>>>>>list,
> >>>>>>>>>in a
> >>>>>>>>>>very similar fashion to global
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>III.  additional criteria for center column:
> >>>>>>>>>>	1) center column features should be articles
> >>>>>>>produced by local IMCs
> >>>>>>>>>with
> >>>>>>>>>>content relevant to the US-IMC readers
> >>>>>>>>>>	2) center column features should be original
> >>>>>>>features compiled by the
> >>>>>>>>>>US-IMC editorial team
> >>>>>>>>>>	3) there will be an emphasis on featuring
> >>>>>>>articles produced by local
> >>>>>>>>>IMCs
> >>>>>>>>>>rather than by the US editorial group
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>IV. process:
> >>>>>>>>>>	1) there will be a US-IMC editorial group
> >>>>>>>that will communicate over
> >>>>>>>>>an
> >>>>>>>>>>email list.
> >>>>>>>>>>	2) this group will work out a more detailed
> >>>>>>>policy regarding the
> >>>>>>>>>promotion
> >>>>>>>>>>of features to the center column from the
> >>>>>>>featurewire as 	    needed.
> >>>>>>>>>>	3) if articles from the featurewire fall
> >>>>>>>within the criteria for the
> >>>>>>>>>center
> >>>>>>>>>>column, they can be promoted immediately by
> >>>>>>>any individual with
> >>>>>>>>>>editorial access.
> >>>>>>>>>>	4) original articles produced by the US
> >>>>>>>editorial group will follow a
> >>>>>>>>>>similar process to global (proposal --> 6hrs
> >>>>>>>without blocking -->
> >>>>>>>>>publish -
> >>>>>>>>>>this can be articulated in greater detail if
> >>>>>>>people want)
> >>>>>>>>>>	5) the email list and the internal message
> >>>>>>>boards in Mir will be used
> >>>>>>>>>for
> >>>>>>>>>>inter-group communication
> >>>>>>>>>>	6) the editorial group is open to anyone who
> >>>>>>>is already working on a
> >>>>>>>>>local
> >>>>>>>>>>IMC in the US
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>---
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Quoting Joshua Breitbart
> >>>>>>><breitbart at indymedia.org>:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>"live" is such a relative term anyway. Does
> >>>>>>>it mean when the
> >>>>>>>>>indymedia.us
> >>>>>>>>>>>url is
> >>>>>>>>>>>pointed to it? Or when we actually start
> >>>>>>>promoting it?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>The site won't start getting much traffic
> >>>>>>>until it has something
> >>>>>>>>>more
> >>>>>>>>>>>than an
> >>>>>>>>>>>untouched syndication feed. We need at least
> >>>>>>>to be able to provide
> >>>>>>>>>some
> >>>>>>>>>>>context
> >>>>>>>>>>>for the links, expand or reduce the
> >>>>>>>abstracts, and correct typos.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>John - I'd like an account. But is there any
> >>>>>>>editorial management at
> >>>>>>>>>all
> >>>>>>>>>>>as its
> >>>>>>>>>>>currently configured? Seems like the
> >>>>>>>features wire just rolls along.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>I think it would be really incongruous to
> >>>>>>>once in a while all of a
> >>>>>>>>>sudden
> >>>>>>>>>>>have
> >>>>>>>>>>>breaking news pop up on the site.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>My main concern is that the site be most
> >>>>>>>useful with the least
> >>>>>>>>>possible
> >>>>>>>>>>>effort.
> >>>>>>>>>>>That means a constantly updated center
> >>>>>>>column. For that, we should
> >>>>>>>>>allow
> >>>>>>>>>>>for
> >>>>>>>>>>>multiple ways to access the center column.
> >>>>>>>The easiest way to do
> >>>>>>>>that
> >>>>>>>>>is
> >>>>>>>>>>>simply
> >>>>>>>>>>>to be able to bump up features from the wire
> >>>>>>>and that will probably
> >>>>>>>>>be
> >>>>>>>>>>>the
> >>>>>>>>>>>primary source of content. But we'd be
> >>>>>>>making our lives more
> >>>>>>>>>difficult if
> >>>>>>>>>>>we
> >>>>>>>>>>>close off the option of being able to post
> >>>>>>>features directly.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>Josh
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>Quoting max <max at michiganimc.org>:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>=== message truncated ===
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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