[IMC-US-tech] Re: [IMC-US] IMC-US Proposal: DECISION-DEADLINE -- Friday Noon EST.

john duda john at manifestor.org
Mon Aug 9 08:17:34 CDT 2004 

> 
> we have indymedia.us, but us.indymedia.org points to the dada version of the
> site.  that should be updated to point to the mir version.
> 

this can be done by dns at lists.indymedia.org.  but i will be moving
indymedia.us to a new server, probably tonight, so we can wait until
then.

john



> 
> ---
> 
> 
> Quoting Sascha Meinrath <sascha at ucimc.org>:
> 
> > On Sun, 8 Aug 2004, Tribal Scribal wrote:
> > 
> > > Sooooo, can we deal w/this addition and conscence on the proposal? We
> > have
> > > less than 3 weeks before RNC stuff begins.
> > 
> > Absolutely -- it looks like there were no outstanding concerns or blocks
> > and we've all agreed.  Let's move forward with implementing the website
> > and getting our initial editorial policy up on the site.  Max, can you
> > send out a fresh copy of the proposal we've just passed?
> > 
> > As for next steps, are we ready to do a soft go-live of the website?  We
> > probably want to move it over to its final home (server-wise) and then
> > link from us.indymedia.org -- if we can do that this week, then we can
> > test a bit and officially go live right before the RNC. How does that
> > sound for a timeline?
> > 
> > --Sascha
> > 
> > 
> > > >From: deva <drdartist at riseup.net>
> > > >To: imc-us at lists.cu.groogroo.com
> > > >Subject: Re: [IMC-US] IMC-US Proposal: DECISION-DEADLINE -- Friday
> > Noon
> > > >EST.
> > > >Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:53:02 -0700
> > > >
> > > >editorial policy regarding hiding posts to the newswire
> > > >
> > > >deva
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >On Jul 28, 2004, at 6:49 PM, Sascha Meinrath wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Chris Anderson wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>agreed. how do we test for consensus on the internet? it seems like
> > > >>>we've almost got it :)
> > > >>
> > > >>are there any more concerns on the table that haven't been
> > addressed?
> > > >>how about we set a deadline of friday Noon EST for bringing them up
> > and if
> > > >>the table remains clear we move forward with implementation.
> > > >>
> > > >>--sascha
> > > >>
> > > >>>--- Tribal Scribal <valeoftheoaks at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>(applause, applause!)  :)
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>From: max <max at michiganimc.org>
> > > >>>>>To: john duda <john at manifestor.org>
> > > >>>>>CC: imc-us at lists.cu.groogroo.com
> > > >>>>>Subject: Re: [IMC-US] a proposal
> > > >>>>>Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:27:57 -0700
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>ok, so the proposal has been amended to include an
> > > >>>>open publishing newswire
> > > >>>>>like www.indymedia.org (linked to from the front
> > > >>>>page but not visible on
> > > >>>>>the front page).
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>I think we're getting somewhere...
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>max
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>---
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>Quoting john duda <john at manifestor.org>:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>if this is the editorial proposal we want to go
> > > >>>>with(no open
> > > >>>>>>publishing, more editorial voice than a purely
> > > >>>>syndication site), i
> > > >>>>>>would suggest that we *either* give up the url
> > > >>>>>>"us.indymedia.org"(leaving us with indymedia.us)
> > > >>>>and the other
> > > >>>>>>associated rights of being an "official"
> > > >>>>imc(syndication by global
> > > >>>>>>newswire, link in the cities.inc sidebar file)
> > > >>>>*or* submit the
> > > >>>>>>proposed editorial policy to imc-process,
> > > >>>>explaining our reasons for
> > > >>>>>>not wanting to offer open publishing, in order
> > > >>>>to give the network a
> > > >>>>>>chance to object before we launch the site
> > > >>>>officially.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>personally i'd prefer open-publishing....seems
> > > >>>>simpler...
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>john
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>On Mon, Jul 26, 2004 at 04:14:09PM -0700, max
> > > >>>>wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>proposed by members of michiganIMC.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>I. "featurewire" policy:
> > > >>>>>>>fully automated, syndicated wire of all
> > > >>>>features from US IMCs
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>II. center column policy:
> > > >>>>>>>-the center column is the place to feature:
> > > >>>>>>>	1) articles promoted from the featurewire
> > > >>>>>>>		-these articles will be either:
> > > >>>>>>>		a) bumped to the center column with no
> > > >>>>changes from the feature wire
> > > >>>>>>>		b) bumped to the center column with spelling
> > > >>>>and grammar corrections
> > > >>>>>>if
> > > >>>>>>>needed
> > > >>>>>>>		c) bumped to the center column with added
> > > >>>>links and content with the
> > > >>>>>>>exclusive purpose of adding context for a
> > > >>>>US-wide 		audience
> > > >>>>>>>	2) articles written by an editorial team
> > > >>>>specifically for US-IMC
> > > >>>>>>>		a) these articles will be written
> > > >>>>collaboratively over an email
> > > >>>>>list,
> > > >>>>>>in a
> > > >>>>>>>very similar fashion to global
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>III.  additional criteria for center column:
> > > >>>>>>>	1) center column features should be articles
> > > >>>>produced by local IMCs
> > > >>>>>>with
> > > >>>>>>>content relevant to the US-IMC readers
> > > >>>>>>>	2) center column features should be original
> > > >>>>features compiled by the
> > > >>>>>>>US-IMC editorial team
> > > >>>>>>>	3) there will be an emphasis on featuring
> > > >>>>articles produced by local
> > > >>>>>>IMCs
> > > >>>>>>>rather than by the US editorial group
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>IV. process:
> > > >>>>>>>	1) there will be a US-IMC editorial group
> > > >>>>that will communicate over
> > > >>>>>>an
> > > >>>>>>>email list.
> > > >>>>>>>	2) this group will work out a more detailed
> > > >>>>policy regarding the
> > > >>>>>>promotion
> > > >>>>>>>of features to the center column from the
> > > >>>>featurewire as 	    needed.
> > > >>>>>>>	3) if articles from the featurewire fall
> > > >>>>within the criteria for the
> > > >>>>>>center
> > > >>>>>>>column, they can be promoted immediately by
> > > >>>>any individual with
> > > >>>>>>>editorial access.
> > > >>>>>>>	4) original articles produced by the US
> > > >>>>editorial group will follow a
> > > >>>>>>>similar process to global (proposal --> 6hrs
> > > >>>>without blocking -->
> > > >>>>>>publish -
> > > >>>>>>>this can be articulated in greater detail if
> > > >>>>people want)
> > > >>>>>>>	5) the email list and the internal message
> > > >>>>boards in Mir will be used
> > > >>>>>>for
> > > >>>>>>>inter-group communication
> > > >>>>>>>	6) the editorial group is open to anyone who
> > > >>>>is already working on a
> > > >>>>>>local
> > > >>>>>>>IMC in the US
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>---
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>Quoting Joshua Breitbart
> > > >>>><breitbart at indymedia.org>:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>"live" is such a relative term anyway. Does
> > > >>>>it mean when the
> > > >>>>>>indymedia.us
> > > >>>>>>>>url is
> > > >>>>>>>>pointed to it? Or when we actually start
> > > >>>>promoting it?
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>The site won't start getting much traffic
> > > >>>>until it has something
> > > >>>>>>more
> > > >>>>>>>>than an
> > > >>>>>>>>untouched syndication feed. We need at least
> > > >>>>to be able to provide
> > > >>>>>>some
> > > >>>>>>>>context
> > > >>>>>>>>for the links, expand or reduce the
> > > >>>>abstracts, and correct typos.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>John - I'd like an account. But is there any
> > > >>>>editorial management at
> > > >>>>>>all
> > > >>>>>>>>as its
> > > >>>>>>>>currently configured? Seems like the
> > > >>>>features wire just rolls along.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>I think it would be really incongruous to
> > > >>>>once in a while all of a
> > > >>>>>>sudden
> > > >>>>>>>>have
> > > >>>>>>>>breaking news pop up on the site.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>My main concern is that the site be most
> > > >>>>useful with the least
> > > >>>>>>possible
> > > >>>>>>>>effort.
> > > >>>>>>>>That means a constantly updated center
> > > >>>>column. For that, we should
> > > >>>>>>allow
> > > >>>>>>>>for
> > > >>>>>>>>multiple ways to access the center column.
> > > >>>>The easiest way to do
> > > >>>>>that
> > > >>>>>>is
> > > >>>>>>>>simply
> > > >>>>>>>>to be able to bump up features from the wire
> > > >>>>and that will probably
> > > >>>>>>be
> > > >>>>>>>>the
> > > >>>>>>>>primary source of content. But we'd be
> > > >>>>making our lives more
> > > >>>>>>difficult if
> > > >>>>>>>>we
> > > >>>>>>>>close off the option of being able to post
> > > >>>>features directly.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>Josh
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>Quoting max <max at michiganimc.org>:
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>=== message truncated ===
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
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