[IMC-US-tech] Re: [IMC-US] My Disappeared Proposal

[Tribal Scribal]

You wrote:

<no one at Acorn had any idea that our offer would be viewed
so negatively by the IMC-US group given the good faith offer that Acorn
was making.>

I have no reason to think that the offer wasn't made in good faith and, 
speaking for myself,  my questions about it were not framed in a negative 
manner. To question a proposal is not neccesarily to bash it.

d.o.

>From: Sascha Meinrath <sascha at ucimc.org>
>To: imc-us-tech at lists.cu.groogroo.com
>CC: imc-us at ucimc.org
>Subject: Re: [IMC-US] My Disappeared Proposal
>Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:25:24 -0600 (CST)
>
>hi all,
>
> > faith sez:
> > > as a fledgling company, Acorn is pursuing projects that mirror the
> > > ideals and visions of the people involved. everyone in the
> > > collective is active in the UCIMC, in many different arenas and
> > > capacities.
> >
> > I must echo tribal scandal's sentiment: if all these people are involved
> > in UCIMC, why do they want to promote their cooperative instead of 
>helping
> > indymedia for no reward like the rest of us do? Josh and max have both
> > echoed this sentiment as well, yet I have still seen no response from
> > the Acorn people about this...
>
>the folks working with Acorn are already doing a lot of volunteer work for
>Indymedia and continue to do a lot of work for Indymedia.  many of us work
>10-20 hours a week directly on Indymedia projects, at least a couple Acorn
>Active Media folks volunteer closer to 30 hours/week.  this is a
>collective entirely composed of dedicated Indymedia activists.  but we
>still have to find a way to pay our rent -- which is the idea behind
>forming an affinity group and then incorporating the collective.  as a
>group, our volunteer time is fairly much maxed out; what Acorn was asking
>for was acknowledgement for taking time, as a collective, to do the IMC-US
>site.
>
>Indymedia has never had a problem linking to projects that have helped get
>our websites up and running -- whether to Dada, Mir, SF Active, Linefeed,
>IMC Geeks, etc. etc. etc. -- it's standard practice on a vast majority of
>IMC websites.  no one at Acorn had any idea that our offer would be viewed
>so negatively by the IMC-US group given the good faith offer that Acorn
>was making.
>
> > > I do, however, have one big caveat, which I believe is much more
> > > important than the size of the acknowledgment on the website. I would
> > > like a guarantee that the software developed for the US IMC site is
> > > released under a public license such as the GPL. That way the software
> > > can be used and developed in a completely open manner consistent with
> > > Indymedia goals and policies.
> >
> > Ryan's caveat is important, and again, I still haven't seen a response
> > from Acorn about this. I'm afraid I fail to see the benefit to us of
> > agreeing to this link for the rest of time if the software isn't 
>available
> > to us to hack on, use, modify, develop, redistribute, etc.
> >
> > Can someone clarify these two important issues so we can get the ball
> > rolling again?
>
>Acorn is completely committed to open source -- of course whatever we
>developed for Indymedia use would be open source.
>
>--sascha
>
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