[Imc-web] Re: Give it up Pat N.

[Mike Lehman]

Mr. Anderson,
There is absolutely no need to cc me copies of your diatribes. I'm fully 
aware of the nature of your replies to Pat.

Despite my warning to stick to arguing the facts in your replies to him, 
you seem to be unable to comport your dialogue in a respectful manner. 
Please do not post anything else that invoke's Pat's name (i.e. don't 
even mention it), blames him for his firing (of which you can't possibly 
have first-hand knowledge), or otherwise "calls him out."

While your two posts over last night continue to violate our website use 
policy, I have refrained from hiding them for the time being. Please 
read our website use policy, if you haven't already:
http://www.ucimc.org/mod/info/display/policy/index.php

In particular, I call your attention to this part of the policy:

"Off-Topic Posts - this is perhaps the most difficult category of
inappropriate posts to judge, since the IMC Newswire intends to be a 
forum that is open to a broad range of topics and ideas. Nonetheless 
there are posts that are baldly and clearly inappropriate, whose purpose 
seems clearly to be other than informing, educating or adding to a 
public discourse. In the worst cases their appearance on the IMC 
Newswire may indeed discourage other visitors from using the site. 
Isolated posts are typically not problematic, and so the problem of 
off-topic posts is usually related to flooding or spamming. Therefore 
the frequency of off-topic posts of a particular type should be 
considered when deciding whether to hide them."

Given the repetitive nature of your flamebaiting and Pat's fortitude in 
failing to respond to it, I believe that the pattern of your posts 
allows me to interpret them as fitting the pattern of being off-topic, 
i.e. "whose purpose seems clearly to be other than informing, educating 
or adding to a public discourse." Unless you stick to dealing with the 
subject matter at hand and refrain from engaging in the rather 
aggressive manner with Pat personally you have demonstrated so far, any 
future posts containing material of this nature will be hidden.

Please also note that the nature of your engagements with Pat in other 
forums are irrelevant here, except in assessing how the postings here 
fit an established pattern of abuse that has migrated here from 
elsewhere. Take your complaints about Yahoo, etc there.
Mike Lehman

Hartlod wrote:

> You do seem to have time to avoid direct discussion of such Gavin when you
> attempt to otherwise 'spoil' article I place to facilitate such discussions.
> It would be most certainly easier to have the discussions you CLAIM I do not
> make Gavin if your, and others involved and mentioned in the collection of
> emails here in used, where not so internet on blocking, preventing and
> otherwise harassing me in the OBVIOUS manner you all are to prevent me form
> making discussion.
> 
> That is after all the purpose for YAHOO! providing the FREE services within
> and by providing DISCUSSION GROUPS, to facilitate OPEN COMMUNICATION and
> discussions. There is nothing special about clicking a 'start group' button
> and no special rights are there in ceded to ANYONE doing such.
> 
> You do not make any valid comments to produce any validity in any of your
> opinions Gavin; I have 'minced' then all with standard and 'common'
> knowledge. You (and a few others) hide behind 'communal use aliases' whilst
> making near moronic attempts at deliberate 'misinterpretations' to attempt
> to misdirect discussion.
> 
> See
> http://www.climateimc.org/?q=node/312
> http://www.climateimc.org/?q=node/348
> for examples 'attempts' of such behavior'.
> 
> That it is the article I link people to, and can update regularly, is what
> those places are for. I have referred you all to the sources of standard
> texts and otherwise common knowledge, these being book repositories, book
> stacks, and libraries, whatever name you would label these places with.
> 
> I find the 'timing' of this reply from Gavin rather interesting also. I
> include a 'moderator' of that service currently seemingly linked to this
> 'new action' from "Gavin' in this reply, in response to Gavin's rather
> 'delayed' 'response'.
> 
> 
> Let me place here a RECENT post to a thread 'Pat N.' is platforming in:-
> http://www.ucimc.org/newswire/display/112836/index.php
> ____________________________________
> <pointless title>
> by telling it like it is (No verified email address)  Current rating: 0
> 17 Mar 2006  
> 
> Um, hartlod(tm), I think I would have avoided at all costs posting the link
> supposedly "outlining the continued harassment of myself BY Pat Neuman, here
> is one again":-
> http://pittsburgh.indymedia.org/news/2006/02/22607.php
> <*** see blow>
> Now if I was a troll, the last thing I'd be doing is posting a link that
> rather damningly testifies to the fact that this is exactly what I'm up to
> here.
> Or maybe not. They're tolerant people here, but they've also quite an
> extensive experience with trolls.
> But really, you do go on and on talking to yourself at length in that one.
> Is it really all about you, which it certainly seems like, based on your
> presence here already?
> Finally, could you explain what the hell is up with trademarking a screen
> name, especially such a seemingly lame one? That is -- unless you're in a
> band or something -- just odd.  
> ____________________________________
> 
> 
> To which my (Peter K Anderson aka Hartlod(tm)) response (which seemed
> somehow to appear twice) was:-
> --
> Truly "telling it like it is(not)" if you look at the thread  mentioned you
> will find that one Pat N. and Gavin S. begin a thread specifically
> attempting to belittle myself.
> It was not until after I was told of that threads existence I even went to
> that thread. This can be seen in the DATES of the posts. 
> You see 'telling as it is(not)" you overlook the WHEN, and so your OPINIONS
> relate a FABRICATION of events to suit 'your' purpose perhaps, but are not
> at all correlated to REALITY.
> 
> That there are 'communally used identities' is attested in a 'spoiler
> attempt' by one 'CH' that is made from behind at least on 'free yahoo
> account', but used by more than one 'individual'. The 'labeled identity' has
> remained the same even when differing mail accounts are used.
> 
> You should also realise 'telling it like it is(not)' that after being
> informed of the actions of Pat N. and Gavin S., the next thing I did AFTER
> commenting in that particular thread was look for others by title, firstly
> within the particular 'service' that Pat N. was (ab)using, then after
> finding a few 'titles', used Google to associate those titles with both 'Pat
> Neuman' and 'Gavin Smith' (some have provided an alternative spelling of
> Gavin's surname but I have not bothered to search further).
> 
> There are multiple copies of near all of Pat N.'s titles, from 30 to over
> 500. Asking WHY such would be done, I was informed that there is behavior
> suggestive of attempting to 'build a platform' by Pat N. with Pat N. being
> 'raised up upon it'.
> 
> As you are again anonymous 'telling it is(not)" I do believe that you are
> either Pat N. or Gavin Smith still, and as so far the only persons IN this
> thread are Pat N and myself, it would seem more likely to be Pat N. trying
> to 'hide' again.
> 
> I am only here as it seems Pat N. is still trying to make much of nothing,
> which is all that has ever been at the basis of 'his opinion', and this
> seemed a good place to speak directly to 'Pat N.' 'in private' as I do not
> see many others being even aware this 'thread' exists. 
> 
> I only found it whilst looking into fiscal scams involving the garnering of
> DONATIONS to supposedly aid 'Polar Bears' from 'melting ice'. It seems
> 'flim-flam' is rife within the motives of many presenting 'environmental
> concern'. FRAUD is still a criminal offense, regardless of 'presented
> motive'.
> 
> Is it "telling it like it is(not)", that you are perhaps worried your cash
> flow might be restricted if people generally become aware of the SCAMMING
> being done under the guise of "environmental concern"? The posts for such
> are often seen in YAHOO with links to other places. I have provided one such
> already, which lead me to other posts with the same title, one made by Pat
> N. to which I replied with a general response and NO reference to Pat N. 
> 
> Then the 'hate hartlod threads' began, as linked. YOU see "telling it like
> it is(not)" the WHEN is not something YOU can ignore.
> 
> As I do believe you have already been TOLD as to details behind my
> 'TRADEMARK ' I shall be brief.
> 
> The word 'hartlod' has been my 'net name' since university, before the
> internet and even before 'personal computers'. It has been associated with
> ME now for over 20 years, nearer to 25 years now. It was used with some
> KNOWNING that it was I (Peter K Anderson) behind the 'label of 'hartlod'
> when it was generally NOT to be known WHO the individual was involved in the
> 'task at hand'.
> 
> As I have been ill for over a decade now, it was a way of 'RETIRING' the
> label, by making a PUBLIC, direct and LEGAL link to said label with me
> (Peter K Anderson) obvious. I do not think I will need to be anonymous
> again.
> --
> 
> I notice also that the AMOUNT of activity by Pat N. under single topic
> titles was overlooked, even though I have details that could be checked and
> confirmed. 
> It appeared at <***> and was:-
> ----
> If you even use Goggle and Search on the string
> Pat Neuman "Arctic and Midwest climate change"
> You will see
> "Results 1 - 10 of about 542 for Pat Neuman "Arctic and Midwest climate
> change". (2.05 seconds)"
> ----
> 
> You try to appear 'sincere' Gavin, but are you familiar with the concept of
> COLLUSION (COMPLICITY & INVOLVEMENT)? Especially with reference to FRAUD
> (DECEPTION, SCAM, SWINDLE, RACKET, HOAX, DECEIT, CON, SCHEME)? 
> 
> Your's (all) with much interest,
> Peter K. Anderson a.k.a. Hartlod(tm) 
>>From the PC of Peter K Anderson
> E-Mail: Hartlod at bigpond.com
> 
> In Response to:-
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gavin Smith [mailto:gavin_pms at hotmail.com] 
> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 7:46 PM
> To: lance at wildrockies.org; deforest at austin.rr.com; hartlod at bigpond.com;
> bobmagi at att.net; lwbittle at sbcglobal.net; pwrwagn at yahoo.com;
> jtr_iv at hotmail.com; debate at muddyfrogwater.us; caraone1 at yahoo.com;
> christian_skeptic at yahoo.com; famgile at yahoo.com; rhfoy at earthlink.net
> Cc: lasallia at yahoo.co.uk; npat1 at juno.com; mtneuman at juno.com;
> Kenneth.Mack at colorado.edu; rmayhew at ns.sympatico.ca;
> denisaf2000 at yahoo.com.au; t1r at bellatlantic.net
> Subject: RE: Give it up Pat N.
> 
> As I have said before I have no time for Hartlods poor arguements.  Not 
> until he at least provides some evidence or reference for his misunderstood 
> physics.  Until then he is banned from my inbox.  It prevents me the 
> frustration of talking to a brick wall.  I suggest that if anyone else is 
> being bothered they also do the same.
> May I also suggest that rather than bothering to argue with a brick wall 
> that you may want to discuss ideas with people other than Hartlod.  Like the
> 
> other people on the above list, for example.  This may actually encourage a 
> progressive discussion.
> 
> Yours sincerely
> 
> Gavin
> 
> 
> 
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