[Imc-web] comment hidden from thread http://ucimc.org/content/july-29-help-us-demonstrate-against-persecution-undocumented-immigrants ?

[Josh King]

Hi Mike,

This was pretty much what I expected. I would very much like to carry
this conversation forward, given both that the website is one area where
I would like to see more development and activity and since I will be
operating remotely it is an area of the IMC in which I can still
actively participate easily. Do we have a copy of that 2003 policy that
we can use as a starting point to get the discussion going?

There are some ideas I've been musing over with regards to the eventual
overhaul of the website, specifically about enhancements to make it
easier for editors to find and discuss abuses, streamlining of the
newsfeed, and possibly a collection of IMC active member blogs, either
hosted through the site itself, separate sites hosted through
Chambana.net, or blogs hosted on other services. Such a 'planet'-style
blog feed could possibly fill the purpose of the blog you mention
without splitting our resources (to be clear, the individual posts would
be aggregated through the site, not just links to individual blogs).

On 08/11/2010 06:21 PM, Mike Lehman wrote:
> Stuart and Josh,
> The hidden comments were made by the long-time troll. I got fed up with
> his well-documented racism. It always starts innocently enough by being
> just his irritating and repetitive obsession with others obeying the
> law, then grows into more blatant crap. I'm fed up with him.
> 
> On the other hand, it's good that others are finally using the website
> to make comments and making it something more than Brian's stories that
> said troll will then be the only reply.
> 
> To read the hidden posts, you need only be logged in on the website,
> then click where it says Hidden Posts on the page with the original
> article. They're all there.
> 
> On the other hand, a reply would simply be feeding this particular
> troll. He is truly uninterested in the substance of any reply, simply
> using it as a diving board for his soliloquy about the "evil" that
> Indymedia website users encourage. Why that doesn't apply to him as an
> obsessed IMC-abuser is, of course, unclear. In any case, since Stuart is
> advocating for people who might have technically broken some law,
> whatever the injustice of the rest of the story, there will never be any
> substantive discussion with him.
> 
> As for documentation, I've got a series of documents that I gathered
> together from the last time we began this discussion, in 2007 just
> before the arson of my house (related? Who knows?) and other info
> collected since then. This was when the civilian Police Oversight Board
> discussion was instense and Wendy thought we should run the IMC's
> website like the late IP, then compromised the respect for anonymity
> required of editors, then left. The discussion petered out at that
> point, although it was handed to Web to deal with.
> 
> Essentially, given the lack of interest by others and the fact that
> editing for abusive postings on the website have largely fallen to me
> over the last 5 years, things have ended up in my lap and I've dealt
> with them on the basis of prior art and example.
> 
> So, any policy discussion needs to begin on the basis of carrying
> through with the significant revisions made to the policy since the last
> time it was codified (like in 2003?) as well as any changes that people
> would want to make. There is no single document that documents our
> policy at this point and would be available to simply post. If people
> want to start this discussion again, I'd be glad to help get the
> discussion started provided we intend to carry it through to completion
> if it's begun again.
> 
> BTW, I would argue that the neatest solution to the conflicting
> interests inherent in operating the IMC website with a functional
> editorial policy that truly encourages those without a voice in the
> dominant media would be to establish a blog (and, no, the IMC website is
> NOT a blog) as an associated venture. That way the trolls have a place
> where virtually anything goes, people who want to engage such posters
> can do so freely, and the IMC website itself can continue serving
> marginalized media users without pandering to those who object to our
> very existence.
> Mike Lehman
> 
> On 8/11/2010 4:16 AM, Josh King wrote:
>> There seem to be a number of comments hidden on that post, but none of
>> them seem to have editorial reasons attached. Is there any reason not to
>> unhide the comment that Stuart mentions?
>>
>> Hey Mike, I'd like to post the site editorial policy on the wiki. Sorry,
>> I know this has been asked about a million times, but can you point me
>> in the direction of any documentation of it?
>>
>> On 08/11/2010 10:59 AM, Stuart Levy wrote:
>>   
>>> Hi.  There was starting to be an immigration discussion in the thread
>>>   http://ucimc.org/content/july-29-help-us-demonstrate-against-persecution-undocumented-immigrants
>>> I'd written a note (titled "If we admitted ten percent..."),
>>> and an anonymous person had replied to it, some time Sunday 8/8.
>>> I'd like to reply to his reply, but can't find it now.  Was it hidden?
>>> Though I disagree with what he said, it seemed on-topic, etc. 
>>> If the poster himself withdrew it, that's fine, but if it was hidden 
>>> by an editor for some reason, I (as the originator of the thread)
>>> would rather see it return to the living.
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>>    Stuart
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Josh King

"I am an Anarchist not because I believe Anarchism is the final goal,
but because there is no such thing as a final goal." -Rudolf Rocker

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