[Imc-web] comment hidden from thread http://ucimc.org/content/july-29-help-us-demonstrate-against-persecution-undocumented-immigrants ?

[Mike Lehman]

Stuart and Josh,
The hidden comments were made by the long-time troll. I got fed up with 
his well-documented racism. It always starts innocently enough by being 
just his irritating and repetitive obsession with others obeying the 
law, then grows into more blatant crap. I'm fed up with him.

On the other hand, it's good that others are finally using the website 
to make comments and making it something more than Brian's stories that 
said troll will then be the only reply.

To read the hidden posts, you need only be logged in on the website, 
then click where it says Hidden Posts on the page with the original 
article. They're all there.

On the other hand, a reply would simply be feeding this particular 
troll. He is truly uninterested in the substance of any reply, simply 
using it as a diving board for his soliloquy about the "evil" that 
Indymedia website users encourage. Why that doesn't apply to him as an 
obsessed IMC-abuser is, of course, unclear. In any case, since Stuart is 
advocating for people who might have technically broken some law, 
whatever the injustice of the rest of the story, there will never be any 
substantive discussion with him.

As for documentation, I've got a series of documents that I gathered 
together from the last time we began this discussion, in 2007 just 
before the arson of my house (related? Who knows?) and other info 
collected since then. This was when the civilian Police Oversight Board 
discussion was instense and Wendy thought we should run the IMC's 
website like the late IP, then compromised the respect for anonymity 
required of editors, then left. The discussion petered out at that 
point, although it was handed to Web to deal with.

Essentially, given the lack of interest by others and the fact that 
editing for abusive postings on the website have largely fallen to me 
over the last 5 years, things have ended up in my lap and I've dealt 
with them on the basis of prior art and example.

So, any policy discussion needs to begin on the basis of carrying 
through with the significant revisions made to the policy since the last 
time it was codified (like in 2003?) as well as any changes that people 
would want to make. There is no single document that documents our 
policy at this point and would be available to simply post. If people 
want to start this discussion again, I'd be glad to help get the 
discussion started provided we intend to carry it through to completion 
if it's begun again.

BTW, I would argue that the neatest solution to the conflicting 
interests inherent in operating the IMC website with a functional 
editorial policy that truly encourages those without a voice in the 
dominant media would be to establish a blog (and, no, the IMC website is 
NOT a blog) as an associated venture. That way the trolls have a place 
where virtually anything goes, people who want to engage such posters 
can do so freely, and the IMC website itself can continue serving 
marginalized media users without pandering to those who object to our 
very existence.
Mike Lehman

On 8/11/2010 4:16 AM, Josh King wrote:
> There seem to be a number of comments hidden on that post, but none of
> them seem to have editorial reasons attached. Is there any reason not to
> unhide the comment that Stuart mentions?
>
> Hey Mike, I'd like to post the site editorial policy on the wiki. Sorry,
> I know this has been asked about a million times, but can you point me
> in the direction of any documentation of it?
>
> On 08/11/2010 10:59 AM, Stuart Levy wrote:
>    
>> Hi.  There was starting to be an immigration discussion in the thread
>>    http://ucimc.org/content/july-29-help-us-demonstrate-against-persecution-undocumented-immigrants
>> I'd written a note (titled "If we admitted ten percent..."),
>> and an anonymous person had replied to it, some time Sunday 8/8.
>> I'd like to reply to his reply, but can't find it now.  Was it hidden?
>> Though I disagree with what he said, it seemed on-topic, etc.
>> If the poster himself withdrew it, that's fine, but if it was hidden
>> by an editor for some reason, I (as the originator of the thread)
>> would rather see it return to the living.
>>
>> cheers
>>
>>     Stuart
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