[Peace-discuss] Saudi jets and FBI

[Ricky Baldwin]

Well, John, I agree.

I only wish that were the story that Michael Moore is telling.  I was almost 
sorry I brought this up, because who really cares when they left, but you 
are exactly right.  A lot of people seem to have been not just questioned 
but detained - arguably because they "looked Arabic", or more likely because 
they were "trouble-makers" involved with Amnesty International or some other 
underground terrorist cell who also happen to "look Arabic" (i.e. attract 
less sympathy) - while these folks seem to have been let off with a simple 
teatime chat.

What this points to (again) is that the Administration cares less about who 
was actually responsible for Sept. 11 than about who they can round up, 
deport, bomb or (now) assassinate, using Sept. 11 as a cover.  (We never did 
see that "incontrovertible proof," did we?)  I think we all know this is the 
scam, but this story is a good example of US official hypocrisy that Moore 
could be telling with facts.  Instead, he has created a paranoid urban myth 
about how Bush is so corrupt personally that he is protecting America's 
enemies, those nasty Saudis (who got to fly when the rest of "us" were 
stranded in airports, etc.) - which fits neatly into his implications, and 
those of others, that "Bush knew," etc.  Maybe this is not quite what he 
intended.  Nevertheless, Moore emphasizes the dates every time he tells the 
story, it seems, which is why I brought them up.  They are THE centerpiece 
of his version.

Anyway, I do think the Congressman is right if he means we can still use the 
story, with some revisions, in the above fashion (-:

We do go on about details, don't we?

Ricky


>From: John Wason <jwason at prairienet.org>
>To: "Ricky Baldwin" 
><baldwinricky at hotmail.com>,peace-discuss at lists.cu.groogroo.com,prairiegreens-org at lists.groogroo.com
>Subject: Re: [Prairiegreens-org] Re: [Peace-discuss] Saudi jet story  false
>Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:59:13 -0500
>
>At 09:26 PM 08/18/02 -0400, Ricky Baldwin wrote:
>
> >On Sept. 11, Transportation Sec. Norman Y. Mineta ordered all commercial
> >flights grounded until noon Thurs. Sept. 13, except for those already on 
>the
> >runway at the time.  Some airports and airlines apparently did not resume
> >"service" immediately at noon, or even until Friday Sept. 14, because of
> >"new security measures" or other things.  That's according to press 
>reports
> >I found.
> >
> >I do not know exactly when international flights resumed.  However, the
> >article Michael Moore cited, as well as the ones you brought to our
> >attention, report that the Saudis left town after international flights 
>were
> >allowed.  Maybe that isn't so, or maybe it is.  I don't know.  All I know 
>is
> >so far we haven't seen any evidence that the Saudis were allowed to fly 
>when
> >no one else was.  And I believe in such cases the burden of proof is on 
>the
> >one making the allegation, not the one who disputes the evidence 
>presented
> >(technically).  We can wonder, we can speculate - about any number of 
>things
> >we don't know - but I checked Moore's source, and read your postings.  
>Nada.
> >  Is there more on this that I don't see?  Am I just being difficult -
> >again?
>
>I may be missing something too, but to me the significant issue isn't
>precisely the time at which the bin Laden gang was allowed to leave the
>country relative to when everyone else was allowed to leave.  To me the
>critical question is how much, if at all, the bin Ladens were questioned
>about their knowledge of the whereabouts of Osama, and about their
>involvement in "terrorism".  It's my understanding that plenty of other
>Arab-looking or Arab-sounding people with far more tenuous ties to bin
>Laden were questioned at some length.  And no, I can't cite sources.  :)
>
>John
>
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