[Peace-discuss] Robert's Rules and Legal support

[Linda Evans]

After thinking about it, it seems like we should just
drop the legal support proposal.  It seems like AWARE
works best when all are in agreement and if anyone is
against an idea then we don't go foward.  Individuals
at the meetings may take the criteria into
consideration on their own when the question of paying
for someone's legal fees, but it doesn't seem
AWARE-like to go ahead with any formal criteria if we
are not all in agreement.  Sorry, I dropped the ball
as facilitator Sunday and didn't go forward in AWARE
fashion.

Linda
--- Ricky Baldwin <baldwinricky at yahoo.com> wrote:
> One of the benefits of Robert's Rules of Order
> (anathema as it may be to AWARE culture) is that
> this
> kind of confusion doesn't happen.  The question of
> accepting the revisions and accepting the revised
> product would have been clearly separate.  I, too,
> thought the question was on the revisions only,
> until
> we moved on. 
> 
> It's no one's fault.  It was just a long meeting and
> we needed to move along.  Maybe, in hindsight, we
> should have put off the decision for one more
> meeting,
> since we did have several questions and concerns
> raised.  Now, I think Randall's solution is probably
> best: revisit the issue once the present case is
> over
> and we have the benefit of more hindsight. 
> 
> Ricky
> 
> --- Randall Cotton <recotton at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Linda may have had the impression that we were now
> > all OK after two
> > revisions (the "charged" leaving the AWARE meeting
> > during discussion of
> > their case and removal of "level of active
> > participation in AWARE" as a
> > criteria by the MAP committee). The revisions did
> > seem to have agreement
> > without objection. But the general reservations
> > behind the proposal as a
> > whole, expressed by myself (and Carl, to a lesser
> > extent), were not
> > resolved. A question like "Is everybody now OK
> with
> > the proposal?" was never
> > asked.
> > 
> > I considered reiterating my concerns at the end
> > there, but I decided against
> > it since I would've just been repeating myself and
> I
> > didn't want to come off
> > as harping on it.
> > 
> > I ask to be recognized as objecting to the
> proposal
> > as it stands as if I had
> > done so during the meeting. And that if we revisit
> > this, we do so after the
> > event that brought this all up (Lori's legal
> issue)
> > is fully resolved so
> > that we can discuss and debate with the benefit of
> > hindsight.
> > 
> > R
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alfred Kagan" <akagan at uiuc.edu>
> > To: <Peace-discuss at lists.groogroo.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:19 AM
> > Subject: [Peace-discuss] Legal support
> > 
> > 
> > > When it looked like we had finished the
> discussion
> > of the guidelines,
> > > I specifically asked if we were now all OK with
> > them after the two
> > > revisions. Linda, as facilitator, specifically
> > acknowledged that.  Of
> > > course, we can always revisit our decisions.
> > >
> > >
> > > From: "Randall Cotton" <recotton at earthlink.net>
> > > To: <peace-discuss at lists.groogroo.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] legal support
> > guidelines
> > > Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 14:07:44 -0500
> > >
> > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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> > >
> > > legal support guidelinesI must say that I don't
> > recall any expression of =
> > > approval by the meeting as a whole. I do recall
> > expressions of both =
> > > approval and dissent. In any case, I was not
> asked
> > if I objected. If I =
> > > was, I would have said yes and others may have
> as
> > well.
> > >
> > > Now, I agree with Carl that when the rubber
> meets
> > the road in future =
> > > cases, the course of events will very likely
> > outrun and circumvent the =
> > > proposed guidelines, policies and procedures
> > below. Given that, it might =
> > > be suggested that I have little motivation to
> > object. There would be =
> > > some truth to that, but I'm concerned about the
> > precedent this is =
> > > setting.
> > >
> > > This all seems to me rather arbitrary and
> > unnecessarily restrictive =
> > > bureaucracy - exactly the kind of thing AWARE
> has
> > a history of =
> > > successfully avoiding, to its great credit. I
> > could now proceed to =
> > > outline my objections to various individual
> > provisions of the proposed =
> > > guidelines, policies and procedures below, but
> > instead, I would like to =
> > > suggest the material below not yet be formally
> > adopted, that it be set =
> > > aside for now and that it be further discussed
> and
> > debated once Lori's =
> > > legal fight is resolved.
> > >
> > > R
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> > > Al Kagan
> > > African Studies Bibliographer and Professor of
> > Library Administration
> > > Africana Unit, Room 328
> > > University of Illinois Library
> > > 1408 W. Gregory Drive
> > > Urbana, IL 61801, USA
> > >
> > > tel. 217-333-6519
> > > fax. 217-333-2214
> > > e-mail. akagan at uiuc.edu
> > >
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