[Peace-discuss] Re: [Wefta] military recruitment on WEFT (!)

[bill]

Is Doug Rokke a WEFT Associate?  If not, please remosve him from this list
that is already too with communication between actual Associates.  Also, I
would ask the members of this list to stop replying to his messages and
sending me messages about how this guy is so cool because he works against
the use of depleted uranium weapons.  DU is only the top of the iceberg,
which is being publicized by many people who, unlike Rokke, sre real
anti-militarists.

DU weapons are definitely a scandal.  So is the rest of the military.  Why
criticize a small aspect of the militiary and then turn around and talk
about how otherwise our armed forces are great?  Is DU worse than cluster
bombs or land mines.  Is DU worse than doing everything the military can do
to brainwash millions of impressionable young recruits into robotic killing
machines (even if that affect is not the result, it is the goal!)?  Is it
not possible that the brainwashing succeeds in many soldiers with bad
results for their families?

I, for one, am not interested in receiving messages full of military
apologia.

Bill Gorrell


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Dlind49 at aol.com>
To: <prorobert8 at hotmail.com>; <laborer at bement.net>
Cc: <wefta at prairienet.org>; <peace-discuss at lists.groogroo.com>
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Re: [Wefta] military recruitment on WEFT (!)


> Robert: The abuse you encountered is not part of the military but part of
> serious family problem by a person who should never have been in the
military
> and should be prosecuted. Report it now!  Yes, the military is all about
killing
> and destroying and individuals are taught that and conditioned to do that
> without remorse. Sometimes that is necessary despite what you may think.
> Although, you may see the military only as apart of the industrial
complex, and it
> is, it has more than that purpose. Your entire concept that the police and
> military is only a tool for the for the rich and powerful shows your own
bias and
> lack of experience and knowledge. Police ar outt here protecting and
serving
> the public-most of their jtime on the ob is dealing with family problms
and
> criminal actions caused by individuals who make a choice. Represuion does
exist
> but it is not pervasive and the purpose of thse groups. And where does the
idea
> come from that textbooks are sponsored by corporations? That is just not
worth
> discussing.  And if you do not like a textbook why not write a new
textbook?
> The labeling of an enemy to optimize fighting is flat wrong but it does
> enable easier military actions and racism may or may not be part of the
equation.
> Although racism is flat wrong and does exist, everything is not due to
racism.
> So get a life. As to atrocities during war or combat- yes they exist and
have
> many reasons and causes. Yes they are flat wrong but part of life and the
> military that we must change.  Now, how about helping make a real
difference? If
> you do not like something help change it, do not just attack it.  Join me
in
> helping me and my team members prepare and conduct lectures, radio
interviews,
> television documentaries,  newspaper and magazine stories, congrssional
> briefings, and help us / me write research papers to change and improve
the quality
> and functioning of the military and police personel and systems. You may
not
> like either and wish they were gone but they are here to stay because the
are
> both necessary, reality not wishful utopia, and thus you can either help
change
> them and improve them or just ignore them and continue to complain about
them
> without effective action.  This entire discussion that started after a
PSA
> on U.S. Marine Corps recruiting that was broadcast on WEFT has been
> frustrating. I asked for help to write a short anti military recruiting
annoucement that
> we could have broadcast and/or propose a radio show to discuss the
realities,
> immediate and long problems and reasons why individuals should not join
the
> military today. But just like I have found over the past few years very
few want
> to help do the work that can make a difference but toooo many just
complain
> and argue and talk about it.  So once more- who wants to help me?  Do you
want
> to make a real difference?  If so please help me.
>
> doug
>